The above comment could be taken the wrong way. Not a shot at the looks of radfems or whatever. More a joke about @Guy finding an avatar he didn't find hot and randomly needing to comment on. Sorry for any confusion.
can go through it with love and care. But, no one should be forced to.
I didn't mean given birth to or even necessarily just in relation to abortion. I meant once they have a mother who chooses to carry them with love and responsibility. Usually, this happens before the end of the first trimester. To me, once the mother is putting care into a potential human, it is her baby. If she loses it, it will be mourned. Even if she were to find rare issues and choose to end the pregnancy, it will likely be mourned. I'm not the one suggesting life begins at birth.
I don't really understand this question or your analogy. A fertilized egg has the potential to become a person if gestated. A tree can't switch fruits and an animal can't switch species. Once a woman accepts the job of carrying a fertilized egg, that egg has everything it needs to continue. It becomes a baby. A baby is a person. I'm totally fine with being disagreed with, but what I'm saying is not outlandish. I'm making the trajectory of a fertilized egg dependent on the mindset of the mother as it is also dependent on her body.What does that have to do with a human becoming a person?
I don't really understand this question or your analogy. A fertilized egg has the potential to become a person if gestated. A tree can't switch fruits and an animal can't switch species. Once a woman accepts the job of carrying a fertilized egg, that egg has everything it needs to continue. It becomes a baby. A baby is a person. I'm totally fine with being disagreed with, but what I'm saying is not outlandish. I'm making the trajectory of a fertilized egg dependent on the mindset of the mother as it is also dependent on her body.
What turns a human into a person in your opinion?
Since you are saying that mothers should have the right to abort babies as long as they are in their womb, are you okay with aborting babies in the 9th month of pregnancy?
A woman's right to her own body is not more important than a person's right to their own life. Still, a pregnant woman made a choice to use her body for sex and the natural consequence of sex is pregnancy. So she did, in fact, excercised her right to her own body which is what landed her with a baby.
I don't really care what turns a fetus into a human being. I do, however, know that no fetus has sapience and that even consciousness is often not observed until almost half a year after birth. Ultimately, all I care about is a woman's right to her body and her life, which is paramount to me over any fetus at any stage of its development.
It does. If you take a fertilized egg out of its mother, its prospects end. Gestation is what takes it from fertilized egg to actual human.If a fertilized egg was really considered equal to a baby, pro lifers wouldn't use IVF, and we'd see protests outside of IVF facilities equal to those outside of Planned Parenthood. We'd at least hear the constant hum of conversation in support for all of the eggs destroyed or donated to science.My point was... that the essence of a thing doesn't change just because someone watered it with love, or gestated it with love.
What turns a human into a person in your opinion?
Since you are saying that mothers should have the right to abort babies as long as they are in their womb, are you okay with aborting babies in the 9th month of pregnancy?
A woman's right to her own body is not more important than a person's right to their own life. Still, a pregnant woman made a choice to use her body for sex and the natural consequence of sex is pregnancy. So she did, in fact, excercised her right to her own body which is what landed her with a baby.
Oh, and you wont mind if I give you poops in all your posts then regardless of their content? I wonder how @AmberCutie feels about this
It does. If you take a fertilized egg out of its mother, its prospects end. Gestation is what takes it from fertilized egg to actual human.If a fertilized egg was really considered equal to a baby, pro lifers wouldn't use IVF, and we'd see protests outside of IVF facilities equal to those outside of Planned Parenthood. We'd at least hear the constant hum of conversation in support for all of the eggs destroyed or donated to science.
I feel like you're saying that human life is so valuable that it begins at conception, that a woman who becomes pregnant already accepted that pregnancy by having sex. I'm saying human life is so valuable that if a woman has sex and cannot commit to carrying a child lovingly/responsibly, she shouldn't. Babies deserve better than to be a consequence.
Outlawing abortion won't stop abortion. It'll just cause back alley abortions which are dangerous for women. Don't tell me you're pro-life when really the only life you care about is the unborn.
Abortion and murder aren't even comparable. That is a cheap and empty argument.Outlawing murder didn't stop murder, so let's make it legal!
Abortion and murder aren't even comparable. That is a cheap and empty argument.
https://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/659/03/In this case I wasn't comparing murder to abortion in nature. What I was doing is showing you that just because a law wont stop all undesirable acts from happening doesn't mean we should get rid of the law.
https://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/659/03/
A list of logical fallacies, like the one you used in your argument. When you keep these out of your argument, then it holds its weight a lot better.
And currently, the law states that abortion IS legal, so we really shouldn't get rid of that law.
I would count it as an either/or, slippery slope, or straw man. It's such a versatile statement, really.Which fallacy do you consider my argument to be? It's not clear to me.
Your argument was: "besides if you outlaw abortion it wont stop abortion from happening" so that is what I was addressing.
I can't believe Rashida Jones has the audacity to claim she is a feminist. She is nothing more than a fake
For me, the fact that they're fighting for women in the way that they think is best is what makes them misogynist. If a woman is going about her life in a way that they would not, she must be uneducated, an unknowing victim. I feel the same way about the "feminists" who think women who want to be mothers are controlled. To believe in feminism requires at least respecting women as fully capable adults who can make their own way in life even if you don't like what they're doing. Both sides of extremism seem to ignore that.Radfems believe that pornography and prostitution are harmful to women as a whole. There's certainly some evidence to support these ideas in some ways. If we can accept that they are trying to reduce harm to vulnerable women and women as a broader group, even if we disagree with their ideas/tactics, they're still fighting for women *in the way they think is best* and I don't think dismissing them as unfeminist (or just as misogynists) is accurate or fair. They feel the same way about liberal/choice feminists, lol, nobody's feminism but that which aligns with our own is valid.
Is there a definition of feminism that we can all agree on that makes her a fake?
Looks like they used periscope footage from a couple models without asking for permission...or even telling them.Welp, just finished the new series..I think it wasn't all bad. It touched a lot more topics than I originally thought it would. I went into it thinking it was just about camming and that is definitely not the case. I think some things were portrayed very accurately for the situations/lives of those shown. Some negative- but there is a negative side to this industry for some people.
I'd give it maybe a 6/7 on a scale of 10. I personally think it would've been better to create a full documentary for each one of these separately rather than doing the 30 min episodes. I feel that if each got their own spot to show more it would have been better.
Looks like they used periscope footage from a couple models without asking for permission...or even telling them.
That is so fucked up. Guess it's one way to get views: force models to watch it to see if their content was stolen and used.Yep! I was the one who asked Effy is she knew. I saw it and immediately tweeted her cause I had a feeling she wasn't aware. Im sure anyone who was shown on the show that wasn't interviewed directly has no clue they used their footage.
That is so fucked up. Guess it's one way to get views: force models to watch it to see if their content was stolen and used.
Yep! I was the one who asked Effy is she knew. I saw it and immediately tweeted her cause I had a feeling she wasn't aware. Im sure anyone who was shown on the show that wasn't interviewed directly has no clue they used their footage.
In which episode were they shown? If it is short segment it is probably covered under fair use, although I agree they should have contacted the girls as a courtesy.
Episode 6, 3 minuets and about 10 seconds in. It depends as far as fair use goes. They cannot be making a profit on it for it to be fair use. The girls are looking into it though and figuring out what they can do.