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I made lasagne for dinner, nice and deep with alternating layers of meat filling (although I use 50:50 ground pork and beef as it seems to have more flavour than all ground beef) and spinach and ricotta layers.
Topped with three cheese mix (mozzarella, cheddar and parmesan) and breadcrumbs - crisped up nice and brown and crunchy.
Served with "cheat's" garlic bread - store-bought turkish bread spread with butter and crushed garlic and 10 mins in the oven.
It's winter down here :)
All these recipes sound yummy. The shit on a shingle @cbhours peddles however can go in the trash.
 
Thank you, very good comment.

Well, it is my first time to ever experience it. And right now I think the larger risk is that I will be too paranoid. Seeing patterns everywhere and pulling away from it too early.

My plan is working on myself, on my personal goals. Setting healthy boundaries and being cautious about it. Also being very cautious if I see "red flags" (Trauma-dump, or also someone building a too love-intense and to deep connection in a super short amount of time). Talking about it if I notice anything and pulling away from toxic behavior if necessary, rather too soon than too late. Probably the biggest lesson is that you can not "rescue" anyone. They can only do that on their own - if they are suffering and want to change their live. Especially people you've just met. But I try to stay open-minded to help people that need it -- to the degree where it is healthy.

Easier said than done though.

I am actually grateful that I found this forum and thankful for all the insights and opinions. Thank you.

EDIT: Another big learning is that if a connection, "falling in love" feels too intense, it is a warning sign. In my situation I felt soo much, like I could finally open completely up, making myself completely vulnerable and to enjoy letting it all out. It was a rush I have never felt before ever. So I thought "is this true love?" in the beginning, like 1-2 weeks after the trauma-dump. It felt good giving so much love to someone, that I thought really needs it and deserves it. To someone so vulnerable, sweet and empathic, that I can be my vulnerable self.
So this thread is long and went down various corridors and maybe reached exhaustion (since the food topic emerged, which seems to mean, "Can we be done?" lol). But I had some thoughts after reading most of it.

First, I don't know anything about Columbia, or cam model norms there, or the risks of various scams in the country. But most of this story doesn't have the typical hallmarks of a cam model "love scam." Maybe some other kind of dating-related scam - or maybe someone you met with bad intentions (or even she didn't know her intentions). But I agree with others who said that the cam model dimension may be largely irrelevant.

Second, I'm commenting because the part that did catch my attention was this notion of "trauma-dumping" and "trauma-bonding." One of your statements early in the thread: "She started with a trauma dump about her sad life and then trauma-bonded me. I was addicted to her, she bread crummed me emotionally and guilt-tripped me." Really interesting.

The context for my comment is that I know a few models in a context outside of sites, and occasionally I've posted some stories that a couple of them in particular have told me over the last few years. One of them pretty much overtly love scams dudes when the opportunity arises, and she's completely NOT ashamed about it, and actually doesn't even think of it as being "wrong" in any way. (She wouldn't use the word scam, though). As a note, she's Russian, FWIW.

The main thing is: What you describe as trauma-dumping is a conscious and carefully executed part of her strategy to hook in her "prey." For her, there's an art to this; you can't just go there immediately or you'll run people off. (As she likes to say, "dudes don't come to see sad girls"). So it all starts with the usual recipe of sexuality, flirtation, finding connection points for conversation. And this woman is a master at reading men. Her entire goal is to get a few dudes into these situations where it's long chats about life, and when she can maintain a rhythm with it, she's happy and will never do anything in public chats and even avoids one-off privates as much as possible. If she smells the "magic combination" (loneliness and money), she's like a raptor going in for a kill.

So as far as the "trauma-dumping," I never thought of that term, but she's got a playbook for this! Once there's initial rapport, and a fun basis to the connection with customer, she will at opportune moments begin to reveal things about her life. She'll talk about growing up terribly poor and being bullied incessantly (which she exaggerates, purposely - she admits). At a little later point, she'll "trauma dump" about (fictional or exaggerated) events in recent and past relationships with abusive men. She'll cry a little. She is very astute that the aim is to make the guy think, "Wow, she's known all these assholes in real life; now I am a white knight." She's even got crazy stories she recycles. She has one about the evil step-father who poisoned all her rabbits as a child. (There's a lot of detail to this that makes it sound more believable, apparently, but it's a tale she said has been passed around in her studio with different variations).

So, this to me is trauma-dumping and trauma-bonding - but done very intentionally (as a con). Her trauma is sometimes fake, sometimes heavily embellished, and occasionally real.

That part of your post caught my attention because she's been running some of this on someone recently, and I am often a sounding board for gripes (or simply interesting stories) about these clients. It was on a more obscure site called Secret Friends. A few months ago, she began going through her playbook on a guy who put himself right into it. She got to trauma-dumping fairly quickly. Within a couple of weeks, he was coming three days a week, sitting in VIP chats for 3-4 hours at a time. He even left for a week on a trip and couldn't go to her on the site, and I was joking, like, uh oh...what if he has a moment of clarity? ha ha... Well, she sent some clever messages, and pulled out all the stops about medical problems and an operation upcoming and yep, the guy was back like clockwork. I think the client actually now has a feeling almost of responsibility for her now, obligated to her by knowledge of her sad childhood, bad shit that guys did, medical problems, having to take care of mom, even her dog needs expensive medicines. lol (more small lies she tells). 😂 I digressed, and it's hard to know what the guy is thinking, but going on what she's told me, it's often the same situation over and over with them. It's like grown men choosing and wanting to be lied to! (It's bizarre that they never contemplate that others are being told the same things, and all are being deceived).

Anyway, there are A LOT of differences with your situation. You had real world contact with the woman in Columbia. And you didn't meet on cam site. And she wasn't running the old "met on Tinder and she referred me to her cam room" scam.

In the case of the model I'm referring to, meeting with the clients doesn't happen. She just implies that one day, everything will be possible. Maybe what you called bread-crumbing, but it doesn't get to more than promises. She'll keep the situations going for months or years, if they are willing. And there's never any question of whether she expects money. She doesn't create ambiguity about that.

Also, you two were close in age and more "age appropriate" for an actual relationship. Normally her targets are older.

And lastly, in her case, she has no qualms whatsoever about any of this. We'll debate this stuff sometimes; she views it as though she is providing a kind of useful service. If they are coming back and giving money, what's the problem? (If I ask, do you feel bad that it's taking advantage of their vulnerability or stupidity or empathy, she'll say no and give me a tongue lashing on how the last thing I need to do is defend men).

Thanks for giving food for thought about trauma-dumping and trauma-bonding. But if there was some kind of "scam" in your situation, I don't think it was so intentional as what I've described here. It sounds more like aspects of her personality. Maybe best to just look for love in a less risky circumstance or environment.
 
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So this thread is long and went down various corridors and maybe reached exhaustion (since the food topic emerged, which seems to mean, "Can we be done?" lol). But I had some thoughts after reading most of it.

First, I don't know anything about Columbia, or cam model norms there, or the risks of various scams in the country. But most of this story doesn't have the typical hallmarks of a cam model "love scam." Maybe some other kind of dating-related scam - or maybe someone you met with bad intentions (or even she didn't know her intentions). But I agree with others who said that the cam model dimension may be largely irrelevant.

Second, I'm commenting because the part that did catch my attention was this notion of "trauma-dumping" and "trauma-bonding." One of your statements early in the thread: "She started with a trauma dump about her sad life and then trauma-bonded me. I was addicted to her, she bread crummed me emotionally and guilt-tripped me." Really interesting.

The context for my comment is that I know a few models in a context outside of sites, and occasionally I've posted some stories that a couple of them in particular have told me over the last few years. One of them pretty much overtly love scams dudes when the opportunity arises, and she's completely NOT ashamed about it, and actually doesn't even think of it as being "wrong" in any way. (She wouldn't use the word scam, though). As a note, she's Russian, FWIW.

The main thing is: What you describe as trauma-dumping is a conscious and carefully executed part of her strategy to hook in her "prey." For her, there's an art to this; you can't just go there immediately or you'll run people off. (As she likes to say, "dudes don't come to see sad girls"). So it all starts with the usual recipe of sexuality, flirtation, finding connection points for conversation. And this woman is a master at reading men. Her entire goal is to get a few dudes into these situations where it's long chats about life, and when she can maintain a rhythm with it, she's happy and will never do anything in public chats and even avoids one-off privates as much as possible. If she smells the "magic combination" (loneliness and money), she's like a raptor going in for a kill.

So as far as the "trauma-dumping," I never thought of that term, but she's got a playbook for this! Once there's initial rapport, and a fun basis to the connection with customer, she will at opportune moments begin to reveal things about her life. She'll talk about growing up terribly poor and being bullied incessantly (which she exaggerates, purposely - she admits). At a little later point, she'll "trauma dump" about (fictional or exaggerated) events in recent and past relationships with abusive men. She'll cry a little. She is very astute that the aim is to make the guy think, "Wow, she's known all these assholes in real life; now I am a white knight." She's even got crazy stories she recycles. She has one about the evil step-father who poisoned all her rabbits as a child. (There's a lot of detail to this that makes it sound more believable, apparently, but it's a tale she said has been passed around in her studio with different variations).

So, this to me is trauma-dumping and trauma-bonding - but done very intentionally (as a con). Her trauma is sometimes fake, sometimes heavily embellished, and occasionally real.

That part of your post caught my attention because she's been running some of this on someone recently, and I am often a sounding board for gripes (or simply interesting stories) about these clients. It was on a more obscure site called Secret Friends. A few months ago, she began going through her playbook on a guy who put himself right into it. She got to trauma-dumping fairly quickly. Within a couple of weeks, he was coming three days a week, sitting in VIP chats for 3-4 hours at a time. He even left for a week on a trip and couldn't go to her on the site, and I was joking, like, uh oh...what if he has a moment of clarity? ha ha... Well, she sent some clever messages, and pulled out all the stops about medical problems and an operation upcoming and yep, the guy was back like clockwork. I think the client actually now has a feeling almost of responsibility for her now, obligated to her by knowledge of her sad childhood, bad shit that guys did, medical problems, having to take care of mom, even her dog needs expensive medicines. lol (more small lies she tells). 😂 I digressed, and it's hard to know what the guy is thinking, but going on what she's told me, it's often the same situation over and over with them. It's like grown men choosing and wanting to be lied to! (It's bizarre that they never contemplate that others are being told the same things, and all are being deceived).

Anyway, there are A LOT of differences with your situation. You had real world contact with the woman in Columbia. And you didn't meet on cam site. And she wasn't running the old "met on Tinder and she referred me to her cam room" scam.

In the case of the model I'm referring to, meeting with the clients doesn't happen. She just implies that one day, everything will be possible. Maybe what you called bread-crumbing, but it doesn't get to more than promises. She'll keep the situations going for months or years, if they are willing. And there's never any question of whether she expects money. She doesn't create ambiguity about that.

Also, you two were close in age and more "age appropriate" for an actual relationship. Normally her targets are older.

And lastly, in her case, she has no qualms whatsoever about any of this. We'll debate this stuff sometimes; she views it as though she is providing a kind of useful service. If they are coming back and giving money, what's the problem? (If I ask, do you feel bad that it's taking advantage of their vulnerability or stupidity or empathy, she'll say no and give me a tongue lashing on how the last thing I need to do is defend men).

Thanks for giving food for thought about trauma-dumping and trauma-bonding. But if there was some kind of "scam" in your situation, I don't think it was so intentional as what I've described here. It sounds more like aspects of her personality. Maybe best to just look for love in a less risky circumstance or environment.

Thank you for your great, great insight. All what you have told me is why I was so worried, why I came here. But also since you have good knowledge about your case, it helps me a lot that you tell me why it is different in my case and that you can draw a line.

My Colombian was also doing stuff like you said, but on another level. After all those interactions here, I really think and agree it is just her "real personality", with the covert-narcissistic traits as I would put it (on whatever dimension/level). She was suffering a lot her whole life, coming from toxic environments and reflecting it one way or another. A very heartbreaking vicious circle.

As an example, I want to tell one of her drama-stories she used to manipulate me as I would put it now. Everything she told me was always very dramatic. She knew this story would trigger reactions from me and yes, it perfectly did: She told me about an much older American she knows from the sites who "always knows when she is sad and then texts her, tells her about god and cheers her up". A guy who wanted to meet her but she told him, he is not good looking enough for a relationship. Still he wants to visit her and she agreed seeing him. And he pays her sometimes, like 100$ here and there without ever wanting anything sexual in return.
My reactions:
1. In my mind she social-proofed herself to be honest about her intentions (he is not good-looking enough for a relationship), while also bringing me emotionally in competition with the other guy, me wanting to be more helpful than him.
2. With this story she told me "be there for me when I am sad", maybe even "give me money like these others, I need it".
3. At the same time I thought I needed to protect her from that man, like "that can't be healthy that he wants to visit you after he met you on the sites and you told him you don't want a relationship with him" "Maybe he is a psycho who will hurt you somehow". She then told me "You're making a drama out of it, I just wanted to tell you and you're completely overreacting. Stop it, its not something to worry about" --> guilt-tripping. ( I really felt guilty)
4. She knew I wanted to be the best guy for her, I mean she told me I am - in one way or another, many times. That I was the best guy for her, nobody ever treated her as good as I, I would be the perfect man (love-bombing), but she is afraid she would feel too much, she can't allow herself to just give in to her emotions (honesty). And I didn't see what she was doing back then. I mean it is easy to beliefe as it is probably close to the truth. I think she really felt that I would enjoy trying to fix her and she hoped I will be the one to fix her.
So the story made me feel like I need to be protective over her, it brought me in competition with the guy and she gave me a good example of how she expects me to treat her to get her affirmation. While also I ended up feeling guilty for overreacting. When I told my therapist-contact, he told me that she has one drama after the other for me, I need to be careful. There is a pattern. But I didn't want to see it back then, couldn't see it. I thought she is just naive and honest. I always tricked myself back into thinking "I know that she really is this sweet, lovingly, empathic girl" and I ignored any red flags and defended her behavior to anyone, including myself. Note: This was only one of many many stories that triggered (strong) emotional reactions from me.

So the difference to your story, HeadyRaven, I would now say that in my case my girl believed her own lies and manipulation and that most things she told me were true to some degree, maybe with some adjustments to individually trigger and control my emotions. And I think this applies not only for my relationship with her, but also for how she behaves with her cam-visitors and customers, and her other dates where she probably had more men that felt like me at the same time. I now beliefe her private life and cam-life is completely blurred into each other, like stated by some before. I think she really dreams about the perfect love and she is really needy for real love, but at the same time she is not capable of loving so that she uses anything she gets to gain advantages like money or emotional support or the power to control others emotions to fill her void. So to her, love would be something that fixes all the chaos and drama in her soul and mind, something that can and will be discarded if it no longer fulfils this purpose.
 
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A guy who wanted to meet her but she told him, he is not good looking enough for a relationship. Still he wants to visit her and she agreed seeing him. And he pays her sometimes, like 100$ here and there without ever wanting anything sexual in return.

This is your example of a dramatic story used to manipulate you?

"but she told him, he is not good looking enough for a relationship"

You really believed this?
 
Omfg guys just stop visiting cam sites already, or only visit indie models 🤦‍♀️ .
Look for women in your own neighborhood, and be done w it.
If this level of love conning and manipulation is truly going on in some studios, there's nothing you can really do to stop it, other than remove yourself from the equation.
 
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It's exhausting. Like seriously. Learn and do better, guys.
Right? I'm sorry I in no way agree with these schemes on the part of models and studios, but also the fucking naivety
Do people really think countries welcome in strangers who are there for a quick bang w the women? No they don't. People don't like that.
Whether you wanna name it sex tourism, and taking advantage, or not.

Even women who are after just sex (I've been there before) don't want a quick bang and go. They wanna set up something steady, and long term w the same few guys.
So it's a decent time, and not total shit.

ETA; Wanna sex holiday; do what the British do, and take a group trip to Ibiza and fuck each other instead 🤦‍♀️ They go in groups, and fuck other British people, who are also going somewhere to let of steam and have NSA.
 
Right? I'm sorry I in no way agree with these schemes on the part of models and studios, but also the fucking naivety
Do people really think countries welcome in strangers who are there for a quick bang w the women. No they don't. People don't like that.
Whether you wanna name it sex tourism or not.
I am also not on board with those kinds of schemes but I guess a lonely person will fall for them more often than not and then apply their distaste to all future interactions with new models.

You know that saying, if you meet an asshole in the morning then you met an asshole, if everyone you meet is an asshole then you are the asshole?

There needs to be a saying for cam models/viewers.

If you met a scam model in the morning, then you met a scam model in the morning. If every cam model you meet is a scam model then you're an easy mark.
 
Have you tried to compromise with just being vegetarian?

Honestly, I think having meat in my diet is the best solution for me/the nutritional deficits I’ve had.

Also, on the food topic. There’s this sauce I found that was used in a fried cabbage recipe on Instagram, and I’ve been using it on basically everything now. The sauce is hoisin sauce, soy sauce, vinegar and agave nectar. Just mix it all with a 2:1 ratio with the hoisin sauce (so like, 2 Tbsps hoisin sauce and 1 Tbsp for everything else). I was actually thinking of getting a steak and marinating in with that sauce before cooking it, and I think that will be super yummy.
 
Honestly, I think having meat in my diet is the best solution for me/the nutritional deficits I’ve had.

Also, on the food topic. There’s this sauce I found that was used in a fried cabbage recipe on Instagram, and I’ve been using it on basically everything now. The sauce is hoisin sauce, soy sauce, vinegar and agave nectar. Just mix it all with a 2:1 ratio with the hoisin sauce (so like, 2 Tbsps hoisin sauce and 1 Tbsp for everything else). I was actually thinking of getting a steak and marinating in with that sauce before cooking it, and I think that will be super yummy.
MSG is also a good additive for steaks. As long as you aren't sensitive to salt, that is. :)
 
All what you have told me is why I was so worried, why I came here.
I understand, although what you described (this woman's behaviors with you) could all have occurred whether she was a cam model or not. You mentioned that she tried to evoke jealousy in you by mentioning a customer from the cam sites. But if she wasn't a cam model, she could have done the same to you by mentioning some other guy she knows, from any other context. I don't think most of this has anything to do with cam modeling, or "cam model love scams." It's simply a woman who has some narcissistic, manipulative and dramatic traits who happened to wind up working as a cam model.
I really think and agree it is just her "real personality", with the covert-narcissistic traits
It may be. Of course, someone who had those traits to begin with, and goes to work in a studio where anything goes, might apply those traits in her work. Her traits could even be reinforced in that job, because being able to manipulate and "guilt-trip" would reap benefits.
much older American she knows from the sites who "always knows when she is sad and then texts her, tells her about god and cheers her up"
This caught my attention because another model friend has a long and bizarre story of a "whale" (well, he recently lost his job) who would fit the description of an older American who would talk to her about God. lol I can't get into details, but he even wrote her into some prayers. (Yeah, this shit was crazy enough that I wanted to make a separate post about it). Anyway, if she ever mentioned that he had a penchant for scaring away all her regulars and became really obsessive, and began writing about how he's trying to shield her from ungodly men on the sites - maybe it's a small world!! In all seriousness, though, you really don't know how much she said to you was true, versus how much was aimed to manipulate you.
bringing me emotionally in competition with the other guy, me wanting to be more helpful than him.
This is definitely a tactic used by the model I described in my first response to you. She has said that if she's got two or three guys really hooked in, and she can play one off the other, it can help her. But she did tell me about how that has backfired on her, such as when one of the guys she was trying to "play" more or less said, "Fuck this," ended their "relationship," and blocked her. She was upset about losing the guy as a source of money, but interestingly, she had zero emotion about never talking to him again. 😆
"give me money like these others, I need it"
Well, whether this statement is coming from a model or simply a person you met on a dating site, it's not a good sign.
I really felt guilty
It might be a good idea to step back from all this and consider your vulnerabilities and areas to work on. You seem to be exactly the sort of person who is going to get run through a grinder by someone like the woman you've described.
she is afraid she would feel too much, she can't allow herself to just give in to her emotions
This may be true, but you aren't going to change or cure someone like this.
she has one drama after the other for me, I need to be careful. There is a pattern.
Yes, and this kind of drama can itself be addictive to the person who is along for the ride. But ultimately bad for your mental health.

So to her, love would be something that fixes all the chaos and drama in her soul and mind
You could go down a rabbit hole trying to solve the riddles of someone else's personality. But even if you understand it, you can't fix it for them. Personality crap can be really difficult to change, even if she herself has insight and wants to change. Otherwise, you should steer clear or you will experience frustration and disappointment again and again with such a person. That's my advice.
 
If this level of love conning and manipulation is truly going on in some studios
Well, it's definitely going on in a little studio in the Saratov Oblast in Russia. 😂 But I think it's several things: It's Russia, and a rougher cut area (not Moscow or St. Petersburg). It's a studio and there could be some shady people involved. And they've got a few models working there who are really hardened, well, at least in dealing with foreigners on cam sites. They've joked about blackmailing men, too. Occasionally.

I think it's rare though. I think if it was common, word would get around and the industry itself would be harmed. But most customers probably go to sites and have a good time and never run into blatant love cons. And maybe most customers aren't setting themselves up either. Seems like it's certain kinds of customers who get drawn into this stuff.
 
You know that saying, if you meet an asshole in the morning then you met an asshole, if everyone you meet is an asshole then you are the asshole?
Maybe but even though I know a model who does that stuff, I know that most cam models don't work like that (conning). We've talked about it. I've asked why she doesn't do shows or other things that are more "normal," instead of spending most of her time trying to fool two or three clients into thinking she is really interested in them romantically, and then spend 90% of her time on air talking to those few, to continue reinforcing their delusions. She says it's a lot easier than working in other ways on sites, and you can get a lot of money with this approach. She also sort of thinks she is helping them. (Maybe it's a rationalization). These aren't her exact words, but the gist of it.

What's strange is that outside the cam modeling world, she's different. She's not callously exploiting friends or anything like that. She's definitely a hard-nosed person, and not exactly sensitive or full of empathy. I wouldn't trust her with my life if it was her having to choose me versus a million dollars in gold bars. 😂But, she is nowhere near how she is at work. She has a negative view of the customers, yet somehow to watch her, you would think she adores them. It's a talent.
 
I set up my slow cooker to make a big batch of oatmeal overnight, using rolled oats, a blend of coconut milk/cream, a dash of vanilla, cinnamon sugar and a pinch of nutmeg.
Woke up to the most wonderful smell coming from the kitchen. Served with fresh mixed berries, a drizzle of honey, plain yogurt and coarse-crushed pecans. Yum. Going to experiment more with this.
 
Thank you for your great, great insight. All what you have told me is why I was so worried, why I came here. But also since you have good knowledge about your case, it helps me a lot that you tell me why it is different in my case and that you can draw a line.

My Colombian was also doing stuff like you said, but on another level. After all those interactions here, I really think and agree it is just her "real personality", with the covert-narcissistic traits as I would put it (on whatever dimension/level). She was suffering a lot her whole life, coming from toxic environments and reflecting it one way or another. A very heartbreaking vicious circle.

As an example, I want to tell one of her drama-stories she used to manipulate me as I would put it now. Everything she told me was always very dramatic. She knew this story would trigger reactions from me and yes, it perfectly did: She told me about an much older American she knows from the sites who "always knows when she is sad and then texts her, tells her about god and cheers her up". A guy who wanted to meet her but she told him, he is not good looking enough for a relationship. Still he wants to visit her and she agreed seeing him. And he pays her sometimes, like 100$ here and there without ever wanting anything sexual in return.
My reactions:
1. In my mind she social-proofed herself to be honest about her intentions (he is not good-looking enough for a relationship), while also bringing me emotionally in competition with the other guy, me wanting to be more helpful than him.
2. With this story she told me "be there for me when I am sad", maybe even "give me money like these others, I need it".
3. At the same time I thought I needed to protect her from that man, like "that can't be healthy that he wants to visit you after he met you on the sites and you told him you don't want a relationship with him" "Maybe he is a psycho who will hurt you somehow". She then told me "You're making a drama out of it, I just wanted to tell you and you're completely overreacting. Stop it, its not something to worry about" --> guilt-tripping. ( I really felt guilty)
4. She knew I wanted to be the best guy for her, I mean she told me I am - in one way or another, many times. That I was the best guy for her, nobody ever treated her as good as I, I would be the perfect man (love-bombing), but she is afraid she would feel too much, she can't allow herself to just give in to her emotions (honesty). And I didn't see what she was doing back then. I mean it is easy to beliefe as it is probably close to the truth. I think she really felt that I would enjoy trying to fix her and she hoped I will be the one to fix her.
So the story made me feel like I need to be protective over her, it brought me in competition with the guy and she gave me a good example of how she expects me to treat her to get her affirmation. While also I ended up feeling guilty for overreacting. When I told my therapist-contact, he told me that she has one drama after the other for me, I need to be careful. There is a pattern. But I didn't want to see it back then, couldn't see it. I thought she is just naive and honest. I always tricked myself back into thinking "I know that she really is this sweet, lovingly, empathic girl" and I ignored any red flags and defended her behavior to anyone, including myself. Note: This was only one of many many stories that triggered (strong) emotional reactions from me.

So the difference to your story, HeadyRaven, I would now say that in my case my girl believed her own lies and manipulation and that most things she told me were true to some degree, maybe with some adjustments to individually trigger and control my emotions. And I think this applies not only for my relationship with her, but also for how she behaves with her cam-visitors and customers, and her other dates where she probably had more men that felt like me at the same time. I now beliefe her private life and cam-life is completely blurred into each other, like stated by some before. I think she really dreams about the perfect love and she is really needy for real love, but at the same time she is not capable of loving so that she uses anything she gets to gain advantages like money or emotional support or the power to control others emotions to fill her void. So to her, love would be something that fixes all the chaos and drama in her soul and mind, something that can and will be discarded if it no longer fulfils this purpose.
"My Colombian was also doing stuff like you said"

Excuse me ... "My Colombian" ??? WTF are my grandfather's people ? Chia pets?

I'm part Italian/French as well ... got some awesome recipes y'all ... manicotti and beef bourguignon are some of my favorites 👩‍🍳
 
Sometimes when I read these love story emotion dumps, I wonder are we just being surreptitiously drawn into some kind of soul bearing, speaking to a counsellor or agony aunt fetish by the OP, where the kick they obtain is getting complete strangers to analyse their "love" life.

Normally I would be more sympathetic but as I've mentioned before there are people who are into fucking anthills and eating sentient bananas so anything is possible.
 
Sometimes when I read these love story emotion dumps, I wonder are we just being surreptitiously drawn into some kind of soul bearing, speaking to a counsellor or agony aunt fetish by the OP, where the kick they obtain is getting complete strangers to analyse their "love" life.

Normally I would be more sympathetic but as I've mentioned before there are people who are into fucking anthills and eating sentient bananas so anything is possible.
If it keeps them out of Colombia, I'll service all their kinks online for a reasonable fee.
 
I just came in… what’s going on..?
Yeah I noticed it's hit 140 posts and some food topics, which means it's gone on way longer than it probably should. I stopped looking at it ages ago, so if anyone sees anything problematic in here please tag me/DM me/report the posts, etc.
 
You seem to be exactly the sort of person who is going to get run through a grinder by someone like the woman you've described.
Well honestly, I am much more stable than it might seem in my stories. It never happened to me before, I have a very stable life, don't worry, just the casual FOMO of love of an average man in my age I would say. It happened because I went into a completely new world: Colombia, Cam-Model / sex worker in gerneral, that are doing it out of lack of other options and are maybe even suffering from it. So being confronted with her tragedy, it just made me want to help, it got to my heart and i let my defense down because I was naive and believed everything she told me. Thank you for your great reply again by the way.

Excuse me ... "My Colombian" ??? WTF are my grandfather's people ? Chia pets?
Im sorry, I am not a native English speaker and I just wanted to refer to my story (usually saing "her"), and wanted to make it clear to not refer to HeadyRavens cam-model. It should have been "the colombian model of my story", yes

This is definitely a tactic used by the model I described in my first response to you. She has said that if she's got two or three guys really hooked in,
The girl of my story did it too with many different people. All the other real dates she had, and stories about all her "American friends" all the time. There were plenty. And in the beginning it was not a problem, her reassurances were enough to not be jealous, but I just noticed a downward spiral, making me more and more attached, everything got more and more toxic, until I woke up.

an older American who would talk to her about God( ...) maybe it's a small world!!
unlikely but who knows. I don't have much more info about this particular one though.


Sometimes when I read these love story emotion dumps,
Well, I really came here to find some answers to this "knot" in my head about what is going on. So for me it was not too pleasurable, I noticed that writing here keeps my mind more attached to the whole situation, "retriggering" my emotions all the time, and of course I felt the need to react to many comments, to explain more details. But it is also like a spiral, a web of reactions on reactions. But no, it is not my intension and the first time I ever did a post like that and probably never will again. It helped me to get a lot of "logical closure" on my topic though, so I am very glad I did the post. But honestly, I thought "is what I am doing here now just me, also trauma-dumping?"

(the scam)... I think it's rare though. I think if it was common,
Also, one of the reasons I decided to start this thread, because I have not found any information on my particular situation and maybe it can help others, too?
 
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I’d make this all into a manuscript if I were you. A lot of cool artistic endeavors are born of real life true experiences. Plus it might help you process it all more, no?! Just a random thought that popped into my head.

(If it ends up going to broadway or something though, I want three percent (jk))
 
You make it sound like there is no prostitution in the "Northern" parts of the Americas lol.
Of course there is (I guess, I don't live in America). But I am particularly talking about sex trafficking here (prostitutes are not slaves, they are sex workers like us, just in person).
In that case, the woman would have been watched and guided in every step in this story. Which would explain a lot.
 
I’d make this all into a manuscript if I were you. A lot of cool artistic endeavors are born of real life true experiences. Plus it might help you process it all more, no?! Just a random thought that popped into my head.

(If it ends up going to broadway or something though, I want three percent (jk))
Haha funny you mention this. I actually kinda did that already, writing it all down. I thought that could be an awesome movie or something haha. Thank you.
 
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Haha funny you mention this. I actually kinda did that already, writing it all down. I thought that could be an awesome movie or something haha. Thank you.
manuscripts - great ✅
manifestos - concerning ❌

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