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I watched the first one. I didn't feel that it was anti porn propaganda at all. But the reality of being in the porn industry. Camming is an entire different ball game than being being a porn star. It's a very dangerous industry for women and there a very few laws protecting those women. Behind the scenes of porn can sometimes be very, brutal, demeaning and on the edge of dangerous? A lot of young women don't really know what they are getting into until they are naked in a room with a bunch of men and their choices no longer matter because they signed a consent contract and they are getting paid.

There are both upsides and downsides to the industry. I felt the film equally represented both sides.

I pretty much agree. Sure HGW had an anti-porn slant, but I felt it was more focused on "see folks in the industry are exploiting young woman" rather than porn and sex are evil. I think camming is the least exploitive aspect of sex work. But even camming has some distinct negative aspects which get reported on ACF on almost a daily basis.
For girls in traditional porn, the majority don't last long, they don't make a lot of money, and it is a cause of friction among family and friends, and some suffer psychologically. Becoming rich and famous as a porn star, is the exception not the rule.
I'm cautiously optimistic that series will present more a nuanced view.
For one thing, you can do a lot more time to present a balanced picture in a series than a 2-hour documentary. But even more important, Holly Randall is going to be in the series. For those of you who don't know Holly is one of the top glamour/porn photographers in the country and daughter of two porn industry veterans.
 
I really find that the biggest issue in the porn industry is that it is very unregulated. The people running the show are jaded and are looking for the next extreme. I think women in the porn industry are being held to impossible physical standards.. and I don't just mean aesthetically. Expecting a woman to fuck for hours until she is bleeding, raw and torn is fucking brutal.. and when she is ready to stop and can't go on any more she is taunted, teased, and smacked around.

Imagine signing up to do a porn. Your in a hotel room or house with several men. You are obviously out numbered. You expected the scene to be just some hot sex with some hot guys but it turns rougher than you are even remotely comfortable with. But your getting paid $1,500. When and where are you allowed to draw the line? Are you allowed to have bounderies? If you stop now after 4 hours of this shit, you don't get paid... It's fucked up.

This is not always the case. But yes there are some shady producers out there that don't respect women as human beings. Some women are lucky and hook up with the right business that rolls out the red carpet. But unfortunately for a lot of young naive girls looking to make an extra buck, they end up signing up with the wrong people.
 
Is there really even a need for feminism anymore?
Well...
The gender pay gap still exists.
Planned Parenthood is on the verge of being defunded.
1 in 4 women on college campuses are sexually assaulted.
1 in 4 women in the military are sexually assaulted.
And those are only a few of the reasons why we still need it.
 
Well...
The gender pay gap still exists.
Planned Parenthood is on the verge of being defunded.
1 in 4 women on college campuses are sexually assaulted.
1 in 4 women in the military are sexually assaulted.
And those are only a few of the reasons.

The gender pay gap is a myth. The gap has been closed my friend. Some jobs pay more than others. Period.

Birth control, std testing, papsmears, abortions and sex education will always be available you just have to pay for it.

It has been debunked the 1 in 4 women on college campus are sexually assaulted. The the feminist hype.

Unfortunately yes women in the military are sexually assaulted because the military is predominantly men.

Sexual assault does not call for the "feminist movement" sexual assault and rape will never go away . We are the physically weaker sex. It is not right but sexual assault has nothing to do with feminism.

All that means is that I carry pepper spray in my purse and and heavy duty tazor in my car door.
 
The gender pay gap is a myth. The gap has been closed my friend. Some jobs pay more than others. Period.

Birth control, std testing, papsmears, abortions and sex education will always be available you just have to pay for it.

It has been debunked the 1 in 4 women on college campus are sexually assaulted. The the feminist hype.

Unfortunately yes women in the military are sexually assaulted because the military is predominantly men.

Sexual assault does not call for the "feminist movement" sexual assault and rape will never go away . We are the physically weaker sex. It is not right but sexual assault has nothing to do with feminism.

All that means is that I carry pepper spray in my purse and and heavy duty tazor in my car door.
http://www.epi.org/publication/what-is-the-gender-pay-gap-and-is-it-real/
http://www.newsweek.com/1-4-women-sexual-assault-college-374793
 
Love that we say feminists are the ones who hate men and yet now we are hearing that feminism (or...any kind of anti-rape movement?) is pointless because men are just gonna be rapists anyway.

Gonna get a little crazy here and say dismissing sexual assault as just "well duh, lots of men in one place" is a really shitty way to view men. Pretty sure most guys aren't just latent rapists waiting until they outnumber women, and I think that line of thinking reduces men in a really negative way. Also looks like the horseshoe theory in action since that lines up pretty well with radical feminism's view of men, except they think it's bad and we should probably not just shrug our shoulders at women getting raped.
 
Birth control, std testing, papsmears, abortions and sex education will always be available you just have to pay for it.

Also aren't they constantly trying to make abortion illegal, or inaccessible, in the States?

One of the biggest focuses of feminism is abortion access and making sure that there are clinics and doctors available, and for women in rural areas, that they can assist with finances and transport so they can travel to abortion clinics.

For you to say that feminists are taking their privileges for granted then to follow up with "abortion will always be available" is kind of ironic. Feminists (and non-feminists as well) are constantly fighting for that, it didn't just happen out of nowhere and certainly many people would try to limit that access if not for the continued efforts of many.
 
Seriously, abortions may NOT always be available, especially with how many Republicans are currently sitting in power. To shrug that off and say we just have to pay for it is to take that right seriously for granted.

I don't know about you, but I don't want coat hangers and back alleys to become the norm again, and unless there are people who continue to fight against it, that horrifying reality of the past could end up being our future.
 
Another example is that a woman can earn significant amounts of money by sexualizing herself. Men can earn money by doing the same but not nearly as much. Women don't pay men for sex because you don't make us work for it. But men pay women for sex because we have pussy power. Lol

Men don't earn less for sex than women do because they don't make us work for it. They earn less because women are less sexual and their sexuality is less visual than a man's. Women's sexuality is always granted to the man she deems worthy to maintain her and her offspring, he looks for sex, she looks for security. It is a biological difference. Men have an urge to spread their seed far and wide and women's eggs are precious and pregnancy is very risky so evolution favored women who were constrained and selected a suitable mate.

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Seriously, abortions may NOT always be available, especially with how many Republicans are currently sitting in power. To shrug that off and say we just have to pay for it is to take that right seriously for granted.

I don't know about you, but I don't want coat hangers and back alleys to become the norm again, and unless there are people who continue to fight against it, that horrifying reality of the past could end up being our future.

I truly wish this was true. Abortion is fucking awful and it should be outlawed.
 
Why the turd @justjoinedtopost? Im just showing evidence to back up my arguments for why we still need feminism.
No Guy. You didn't post evidence that supported the argument "we still need feminism".

You posted two links that may (or may not) indicate there is something to the wage gap/sexual assault on college campuses claims.

Now if you accept these two things, then I guess you can move on to demonstrating "feminism" (whatever the fuck that means on any given day) can somehow improve the situation. Something I wouldn't necessarily assume, even if those two particular claims are proven.

Mostly, though, I poo rated for posting two links as a rebuttal with no additional commentary.
 
The math on the gender gap. They are taking the yearly wage of a full time working male and comparing it to the yearly wage of a full time working female and then averaging it out to be 83 cents to the dollar. This is not a fair comparison because over a year span generally men work more hours than women so of course they will make more money.

The second article just blows my mind because it states that sexual assault apparently includes sexual harassment. And here I was thinking that we were talking about men physically forcing themselves on women. Sexual harassment is so damn broad. I can get you fired from a job for saying that I have a cute ass and I feel "unsafe" because I'm being sexually harassed.

Every job I have ever worked at I got paid more than my male co-workers because I worked my ass off and proved my worth then asked for a raise.

I have also been sexually harassed at every job I've worked at because some men just don't have manners and don't know how to talk to women without being gross.

If we are grouping sexual harassment with sexual assault then I can totally see 1/4 women experiencing that because sexual harassment is common. Whereas physical sexual assault is not as common because hey buddy you can go to prison.

Once again I just feel like women are pushing their victim and feminist agendas on men.

And let me tell you something about being a victim. As someone who has been physically and mentally abused and even sexually assaulted I chose to be a victim for years. Mostly because It was how I was raised. But about 2 years ago I woke the fuck up and stopped being a victim. Low and behold I'm safe an sound.

All of the good guys I turned down for those bad boys that were abusive.. I chose that life.

I don't support feminism.. yet I'm the perfect candidate to be stereo typed into that group. WTF?
 
Men don't earn less for sex than women do because they don't make us work for it. They earn less because women are less sexual and their sexuality is less visual than a man's. Women's sexuality is always granted to the man she deems worthy to maintain her and her offspring, he looks for sex, she looks for security. It is a biological difference. Men have an urge to spread their seed far and wide and women's eggs are precious and pregnancy is very risky so evolution favored women who were constrained and selected a suitable mate.

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I truly wish this was true. Abortion is fucking awful and it should be outlawed.
That actually makes more sense. Men are more visual. And they have the primal need to reproduce.

In my opinion this is why sexual assault and rape are so common because sex is literally a main primal drive in men. I am not by any means defending rape. But it is the only way I can make sense of why it happens.
Thoughts on this?
 
No Guy. You didn't post evidence that supported the argument "we still need feminism".

You posted two links that may (or may not) indicate there is something to the wage gap/sexual assault on college campuses claims.

Now if you accept these two things, then I guess you can move on to demonstrating "feminism" (whatever the fuck that means on any given day) can somehow improve the situation. Something I wouldn't necessarily assume, even if those two particular claims are proven.

Mostly, though, I poo rated for posting two links as a rebuttal with no additional commentary.
You gave me a "bad troll attempt rating". Keep in mind that because of my Aspergers I tend to have poor social skills. It might have been better for you to have pointed out how I was framing my arguments wrong or how what I was posting didnt make sense. Also @AmberCutie said that if we abuse the turd rating, she might get rid of the rating feature.
 
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That actually makes more sense. Men are more visual. And they have the primal need to reproduce.

In my opinion this is why sexual assault and rape are so common because sex is literally a main primal drive in men. I am not by any means defending rape. But it is the only way I can make sense of why it happens.
Thoughts on this?

Motivation is key and men have more motivation than women to rape. Women have more motivation to poison their wealthy husbands to claim the inheritance :giggle:

Men's hormones also play a part. Testosterone makes them more ambitious, dominant, and prone to action. This means men are more motivated than women to act on whatever it is they have their eye on. Women are more passive.

Rape itself would also require other personality traits: poor impulse control, disregard for long term consequences, and a complete lack of empathy maybe even some form of sociopathy.

The vast majority of western men wouldn't rape a woman but given the right circumstances a man is more likely to rape than a woman.
 
You gave me a "bad troll attempt rating". Keep in mind that because of my Aspergers I tend to have poor social skills. It might have been better for you to have pointed out how I was framing my arguments wrong or how what I was posting didnt make sense.

For someone who has given me at least 50 poop ratings on well thought out posts simply because you disagreed with them you sure have a high standard for other people rating your posts poops.
 
For someone who has given me at least 50 poop ratings on well thought out posts simply because you disagreed with them you sure have a high standard for other people rating your posts poops.
I stopped giving you turds last summer. And I rarely give them to anyone at all now.
 
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In my opinion, it comes down to this: when people start taking rights for granted, they start losing them. It is important for women to represent themselves and their needs, because otherwise they may be overlooked or ignored. Men do the same--- the primary difference being, it's always been the status quo for their needs to be represented so it's not really acknowledged. Passivity, intellectual laziness, and taking things for granted are a surefire way to end up in a bad situation, politically or otherwise.

I am a feminist in that I support women's interests. I am not a radical feminist because that sort of black and white thinking, on either end of the spectrum, is illogical. That sort of hardcore ideology leads you to ignore evidence in favor of your own opinion. You *have* to think for yourself. Do your research, don't align yourself blindly with one cause or another based on hearsay. Find out where your views stand on the scatterplot and be willing to adapt as new data and information come to light. I don't care what you believe, just be motivated enough to step outside the echo chamber and think critically.

Likewise, take your head out of the sand and realize that just because you have it good, doesn't mean everyone else does, and certainly doesn't mean that that "good" will be permanent. This is just my experience, but I live like a glorified 50s housewife when I am not smacking men around for money and I love it. Cook dinner every night, clean, have a lot of aprons and wear false eyelashes every day because I like looking pretty for my other half as much as I like looking pretty for myself. I also support the right to abortion and many other womens' causes. I am grateful to be in a society where I can do what I want to do, where I can live like this without *having* to live like this, and where I know my voice can be heard if I take the time to make it heard.

I think radical feminism is poised to be an enormous threat to women's rights because a lot of people hear "feminism" and immediately write it off. I honestly wonder if the word "feminism" is outdated, and maybe it would be better if children of both genders were taught more critical thinking and were taught to be more active in their own lives. I don't know, that's a tangent.

It is good for people to be invested in politics and sociology, to not dismiss real issues because things are comfortable now, and to continue to educate themselves. I appreciate a lot of what @Kitsune has to say and her posts have sparked a lot of thought on my end, even though I disagree with some substantial portions of her ideology, particularly related to gender. This is fine.

Bottom line. Don't be complacent. Don't be intellectually lazy. Investigate your sources. Everyone has a bias, but some more than others. I am just really, really troubled by posts like @cherrybomb1111's because it takes a lot for granted. This is not me throwing shade or calling names. A looot of people feel that way which is really worrying. I am just saying it is dangerous to take progress for granted. This is a reminder to myself as much as anything else. I got really really lucky and had a classical education with a huge emphasis on philosophy and critical inquiry. I am so grateful to my parents for that and wish all children could be encouraged in that way.

I also acknowledge that I abuse commas horribly and apologize in advance.
 
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Gonna get a little crazy here and say dismissing sexual assault as just "well duh, lots of men in one place" is a really shitty way to view men.
Well common sense says that you put 20 testosterone filled men that have had sex in weeks around a woman.. chances are it's gonna go south. Unless you are a badass bitch like GI JANE. sorry men that I don't have more faith in you *shrugs*
My aunt was sexually assaulted in the military army. She also got 100% disability and 70,000 back pay because she claimed Ptsd. In all fairness she was being harassed on a daily by multiple men for months. She was the only woman in her platoon.

Feminists (and non-feminists as well) are constantly fighting for that, it didn't just happen out of nowhere and certainly many people would try to limit that access if not for the continued efforts of many.
I don't care for abortions. I personally would never get an abortion even if I was raped and my baby had downsyndrom. So I'm not the one to talk to about coat hangers in the back alley and abortion rights for women. I think life is precious and it's not my choice to take it away even if I wasn't ready for the responsibility. I have plenty of rights aside from abortion that I can enjoy as a woman. Just how I feel.

Women have more motivation to poison their wealthy husbands to claim the inheritance :giggle:
haha. Funny that these are true statistics
 
I don't care for abortions. I personally would never get an abortion even if I was raped and my baby had downsyndrom. So I'm not the one to talk to about coat hangers in the back alley and abortion rights for women. I think life is precious and it's not my choice to take it away even if I wasn't ready for the responsibility. I have plenty of rights aside from abortion that I can enjoy as a woman. Just how I feel.

The entire point of being pro-choice is that you have just as much a right to make that choice as I do to have an abortion.
 
I think radical feminism is poised to be an enormous threat to women's rights because a lot of people hear "feminism" and immediately write it off. I honestly wonder if the word "feminism" is outdated,
I agree. The concept and need for feminism is outdated because women have all of their rights yet they are still pretending that they are not equal and don't have any rights.

I am just really, really troubled by posts like @cherrybomb1111's because it takes a lot for granted.
I disagree because I know that I have all of my rights as a woman and I recognize that daily. This is precisely why I'm not in the streets in a giant vagina suit making an ass of myself. Because I recognize my privelages and am under no illusions that I don't have them. I exercise my rights as a woman every single day. I definitely do not take them for granted.
 
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@cherrybomb1111 By exercise rights, I don't mean "go about your business." I mean continue to educate yourself politically, keep active with news from as unbiased sources as you can find, vote, and involve yourself with causes you support. There is an enormous spectrum between vagina suits and being intellectually active and politically involved. That's the exact type of black and white thinking I was referring to.

"Going about your business and being grateful" has become almost a regressive type of moral superiority, like there is something wrong with being aware of what's going on in the world. None of us can be, like, hand wringing zealots 24/7 and that is good and healthy, but ignorance is not something to aspire to. This is not, not, not about you in particular Cherry. I am sure you are an awesome, caring human with your own set of priorities and we just don't see eye to eye on this issue. I just see this a lot on Facebook, etc. and it bothers me, on subjects ranging from the economy to the things being discussed here. The general trend of apathy is more what I am talking about, and I am just trying to provide another view which can be taken or left.

EDIT: @Guy, seriously want to high five you right now. There are certainly instances where rape is purely sexually motivated but a lot of times it is a power thing with a lot of other pathology involved, whether cultural or psychological, and not just a normal part of male nature.
 
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DP but I ran out of editing time. Cherry, you are really picking and choosing from my post with regards to your first quote. I said the word "feminism" is outmoded because it's developed a ton of connotations that aren't really accurate for the times. I did NOT say that the cause itself is outmoded, or that women should just be content with what we have and let the men do all the heavy lifting. You really, really did not process what I said and that's exactly what I mean when I talk about selective reasoning. American women and most first world women are in a great place right now. We need to not take that for granted by removing ourselves from action.

You can have your opinion, but please don't prove my point about echo chambers and intellectual laziness by taking something entirely out of context and twisting it to suit your beliefs.
 
hew do you know, have you ever raped anyone?

The entire point of being pro-choice is that you have just as much a right to make that choice as I
I'm not pro-choice. I don't agree with it. Period. And I don't have to.

@cherrybomb1111 By exercise rights, I don't mean "go about your business."
but you didn't say exercise my rights, you said that I take them for granted. Apparently I am complacent, and politically uneducated. One of the women's rights that I exercise is voting. I do my research on subjects that interests me politically. Just because I'm not a feminist does not make me politically ignorant. Just because I don't vigorously fight for abortions rights does not make me complacent. Truth is I have never been told that I couldn't do something because I was a woman. If it is not broke don't fix it. the moment that I feel that I am being treated unfairly because i am a woman trust me when I say I won't be quiet about it. I think everyone just makes a lot of assumptions about people that don't hold the popular opinion about things.

I just feel like people can't have opinions anymore without having a ton of labels put on them.
 
The entire point of being pro-choice is that you have just as much a right to make that choice as I do to have an abortion.

I am against abortion because it is a self evident truth accepted by both science and faith that human life begins at conception. A human is a human regardless of it's stage of development. A 70 year old lady is human, so is a 25 year old chick, a 5 year old girl, or a 10 day old baby. Since you dont have the right to murder people you dont have a right to abort another human being.

The "choice" meme is a falsehood. We all have a choice BEFORE we get pregnant. You can choose to have sex or abstain. If you do have it you have a second choice to use contraception. If you dont use contraception and end up getting pregnant you still have a third choice which is to give it up for adoption. So many choices. Once you are pregnant you have a baby inside of you and you are a mother whether you like it or not. Killing the baby is not a choice, its murder.
 
hew do you know, have you ever raped anyone?

He posted a link supporting why he said that, why not click it or ignore it rather than making such an obnoxious comment?
Also here, quoted from the link @Guy shared, for anyone who is interested in the discussion:
Myth: The primary motive for rape is impulsive sexual desire.
Fact: Studies show that the major motive for rape is power, not sex. Sex is used as a weapon to inflict pain, violence and humiliation. Most rapists appear to have normal personalities with an abnormal tendency to be aggressive and violent. Between 2/3 and 3/4 of sexual assaults are planned in advance.

I wish they'd linked their studies directly though.
 
I am against abortion because it is a self evident truth accepted by both science and faith that human life begins at conception. A human is a human regardless of it's stage of development. A 70 year old lady is human, so is a 25 year old chick, a 5 year old girl, or a 10 day old baby. Since you dont have the right to murder people you dont have a right to abort another human being.

The "choice" meme is a falsehood. We all have a choice BEFORE we get pregnant. You can choose to have sex or abstain. If you do have it you have a second choice to use contraception. If you dont use contraception and end up getting pregnant you still have a third choice which is to give it up for adoption. So many choices. Once you are pregnant you have a baby inside of you and you are a mother whether you like it or not. Killing the baby is not a choice, its murder.

Human life may begin at conception; however, that does not make it a person. It has the potential to become a person. And until that fetus leaves the womb, it should solely be at the purview of the mother whether it is birthed or aborted. A woman's right to her body is the most important thing. Calling it murder is obscene and draconian.

@JizzyJezebel I would appreciate it if you cool it with the facepalm ratings. There is a "disagree" button you can click instead.

Too bad.
 
Human life may begin at conception; however, that does not make it a person. It has the potential to become a person. And until that fetus leaves the womb, it should solely be at the purview of the mother whether it is birthed or aborted. A woman's right to her body is the most important thing. Calling it murder is obscene and draconian.



Too bad.

What turns a human into a person in your opinion?

Since you are saying that mothers should have the right to abort babies as long as they are in their womb, are you okay with aborting babies in the 9th month of pregnancy?

A woman's right to her own body is not more important than a person's right to their own life. Still, a pregnant woman made a choice to use her body for sex and the natural consequence of sex is pregnancy. So she did, in fact, excercised her right to her own body which is what landed her with a baby.

Oh, and you wont mind if I give you poops in all your posts then regardless of their content? I wonder how @AmberCutie feels about this
 
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