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fall in love" with someone not because of the fun times you've had together, but because you had a strong reaction to hearing about their trauma
it was both. I loved the time with her and how lovingly she felt. But jealousness and wanting to help binded me. Not super healthy, but it was not only because of her trauma-dump. I really thought she is a great and lovingly person that just had a lot of bad luck in life. But the problem is, the trauma will tear them apart and no one but themselfes can truly help. You can maybe have some positive impact, but true help can always only come from within a person. True also for myself. And a lesson learned forever.

However, you two weren't in a relationship

In the end we were:

"we could try something open" I replied "You mean an open relationship?" she: "yes". I: "okay then we have an open relationship now,

trauma dumped on you without any warning or without you asking, yes, that's not okay.
it was also only two weeks after I have met her. Also that she told me about the camming. And as a person completely new to a situation with a cam-model and a colombian I didn't know to handle the situation but feeling bad, feeling her "pain" (she told me she feels so bad about doing the job, nothing against any of you, but she gave me the feeling that she is really unhappy).

Spoiler: Narcissism/Suicide TW
Thank you, yes you are right with that one. But the behavior-patterns that are common for the spoken trait can occur in different intensities. And in my case, or hers, In my opinion the toxic behavior manifested itself in this way, in a pattern that is typical for covert narcissists. How strong it is in this direction or whether it can be called pathological is something no one can diagnose other than professionals, yes.

And I am deeply sorry. The story is really sad and really tragic and can in no way be compared nor would I dare do that of course.
 
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I agree to some degree. But now I need to defend myself again. It is always a 2-way thing. Like you said, co-dependent. But what you are missing in your post, is the other partner of that co-dependency. Like Trauma-Dumping while telling you "Look at all the other dates I have that are better than you" but shortly after "i miss you so much" "this other guy is only playing with me" (I stayed because I was a friend and not a lover at that point, but the jealousy and push/pull affected my emotions of course. It was much more but that was one core part at the start). And "did you fall in love? well, if you were it would be so beautiful, i never thought that could happen on this app".-> This is some crazy manipulation. Playing the victim is manipulation. Not stepping away and thinking "I can help" is naive and you are right with that, will also become toxic.

Its my fault I fell for it. I fell for it because it was a different culture and she came from a poor, abusive background (sorry. But it is true). And me having the instinct to want to help is toxic? Yes my fault is not seeing those red flags and not stepping away immediately. But covert-binds are so cruel because the person is disguised. They play a role to get public recognition as a good person, play the victim and slowly drop the mask to control you, bind you and hurt you. They want you to make mistakes, they want you to step on their toes so that they can guilt trip you. So of course, my texts are one-sided. But yours is the opposite, it is also one-sided.

Lets say she was pretty covert-narcissistic (just as a assumption and a point of view to bring to the argumentation, no diagnosis). Before you tell me that I am to blame for everything, look up what they are capable of and what they are actually doing. They surprise you, they overwhelm you. You don't even know that something like this exists until it's too late. Toxic behavior always brings forth toxic behavior in the other person. They start a toxic cycle unless one person steps away. One toxic reaction followed by another. Very passive-agressive. Until the love-bombing comes back (which does not necessarily mean someone saying "I love you"). By the way her quote about her ex boyfriend: "we both destroyed each other". She left home with 18 years old because "it was hell" "her mother beat her" "her father left when she was a small child" "they had sometimes not enough food" "she lived with her aunt for most". She comes from a toxic environment. It is just the fact, if it was not all lies. And when they unleash that toxic environment upon you, you also get more and more toxic. The co-dependency starts. It was after three months that I quit because I could not handle it anymore and I noticed how toxic everything became. I gave her full control over my feelings and she knew it and played with it. A person with empathy would not play with other peoples emotions and control them in that sense. While she COMPLETELY ignored all my needs. Don't forget the part of the story where she didn't invest anything in me other than liking stuff I post or send her, remaining basic contact "how are you? what are you doing?" But I was not even worth it that she looks up a song she liked and sends it to me (closer to the end but during a non-toxic conversation).

I am a very empathic person, we all are very different. That is why being a rescuer is attractive to me. Some can relate more to her, some maybe more to me. But don't leave out the fact that covert-toxic tactics can easily affect many "healthy" people that are strongly empathic. They know perfectly how to push your buttons and turn everything against you. They want you to bring out reactions and make mistakes to use those against you. Don't forget that.

Yes, I felt attacked by the fact that you wrote only from her perspective. Maybe I deserved it because I obviously am not objective as it is my story and I am telling it. But yours is also not objective. I also set boundaries she never respected. But she made it that I felt like it was my fault, that my boundaries were egoistic, and I felt was to blame so it was ok that she did broke them. Until it was walking on eggshells for me. She never reflected on her behavior and only reacted on things to bring the blame to me again, while I addmited my fault

My original post was never about me wanting to blame her or wanting to know who is to blame. It was about: "Can there be dark psychology love scams in the colombian cam-industry involving real Tinder dates?". But of course I also feel the urge to defend my view. I probably should never have started the topic in the first place.

Thank you for your response and honest opinion though. Everybody at least seemed very clear about that it is not likely that it was a scam, only a co-dependent psychologically fked up situation. I am really grateful for everyone listening and responding. It was really emotional for me, but I think I really found some more closure. Thank you.
Feel better. Try to get some headspace. Focus on you in therapy, not her. No one is to blame. It’s not a blame thing. It sounds to be a move on thing. Do feel better though.

The focus on covert narcissist and blame , psychologica
I’ve been in a bar with a boyfriend, and when he’d stepped out for a minute…some creep came up to me and asked “Is that your boyfriend? Do you two take showers together?” Wtf.
yuck what a weirdo. I’m sorry you experienced that. Some people are disgustingly rude. Then they wonder why they are alone 🤦‍♀️
 
ow strong it is in this direction or whether it can be called pathological is something no one can diagnose other than professionals, yes.
In any case, I know she is suffering a lot. She is coming from a background I feel great sadness for and I really really wish I could have helped. One of the reasons I stayed so long. I endured a lot of bad behavior also because I thought, every piece of luck and happiness she can receive is good and she deserves it, even if I am suffering too.
 
I'm sure I told this before on here but when I thought I was connecting with a girl on tinder she did "warn" me that she was a camgirl. I ofc said that's not a problem and was honest with her that viewed ladies on cb. And then she suggested meeting up and I said sure but then told me it's was £140 a night and she didn't do anal.
I don't know if she really was a camgirl I'm only basing it on what she said but I certainly believed her on the escort part (there was nothing in her profile to suggest she was!) Seemed like every other female profile on tinder I came across was either an escort, really just an account to promote their onlyfans page or quite blatantly a bot (sure I said this another camgirl had a modeling photos of her on a tinder profile).
I hated it and pretty much given up on online dating (too much competition as well!)

I'm sorry that men are such cunts. I have gotten vibe before from aquaintces if we're alone for some reason they're worried I'm going to try something. Don't know what to say/do to stop them thinking that (worth pointing out I rarely smile so that might not help)
To be honest I'm just going to let women make a move on me, rather a lady show me she's interested then bother someone who isn't.
 
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I'm sure I told this before on here but when I thought I was connecting with a girl on tinder she did "warn" me that she was a camgirl. I ofc said that's not a problem and was honest with her that viewed ladies on cb. And then she suggested meeting up and I said sure but then told me it's was £140 a night and she didn't do anal.
I don't know if she really was a camgirl I'm only basing it on what she said but I certainly believed her on the escort part (there was nothing in her profile to suggest she was!) Seemed like every other female profile on tinder I came across was either an escort, really just an account to promote their onlyfans page or quite blatantly a bot (sure I said this another camgirl had a modeling photos of her on a tinder profile).
I hated it and pretty much given up on online dating (too much competition as well!)

I'm sorry that men are such cunts. I have gotten vibe before from aquaintces if we're alone for some reason they're worried I'm going to try something. Don't know what to say/do to stop them thinking that (worth pointing out I rarely smile so that might not help)
To be honest I'm just going to let women make a move on me, rather a lady show me she's interested then bother someone who isn't.
Not smiling a lot probably helps more than hurts. When a guy is constantly smiling at me I think he is plotting things in his head while tuning me out.

The best way to gain any women's trust is to not break it to begin with. Kind of a chicken/egg situation really.
 
Seemed like every other female profile on tinder I came across was either an escort, really just an account to promote their onlyfans page or quite blatantly a bot (sure I said this another camgirl had a modeling photos of her on a tinder profile).
I hated it and pretty much given up on online dating (too much competition as well!)

Tinder honestly isn't the best place to meet people if you're looking for long term/serious relationships. I got lucky and met my boyfriend through Tinder years ago, and even then he apparently thought I was a bot account at first, haha.

I've heard really good things about paid dating sites, like eHarmony and Match, though.
 
And then she suggested meeting up and I said sure but then told me it's was £140 a night and she didn't do anal.
What a steal. I mean, at least she offered you a good rate. Glass half full 😊

ETA; also heard good things about paid dating sites.
 
Visa wait times are like 2 years right now in colombia lots of them want to come to the US but many do have strong family ties and have never lived without family. Don't have the best hospitals or healthcare but if you know what procedure you want it's fine, you should probably have an idea of what the aftercare instructions should be though because things are a bit unorganized. Diagnosing and testing is weak and sometimes there's long delays for results. Mental health is pretty bad.

What do you mean education system is good? The public schools in some of the worst parts of the US blow away many of the private schools here.
Colombia and Colombians are constantly on the top 10 / top 5 happiest people on the planet list. What in the devil are you talking about with the mental health thing? Most people in Colombia are openly wondering if Americans have gone criminally insane with all the massacres, racism and insurrection attempts. They used to respect us. Now they think we're nuts. Sorry to burst your reality TV bubble.

I found that the average High School graduate in Colombia makes the average high school graduate in the US look like an amoeba. Well versed in classic literature, geography and a knowledge of multiple languages - usually Spanish/English. Tell me that sounds like the average high school graduate here?
 
Google "colombia love scam green card". You will find pages and pages of stories. All of them sound very similar to what the OP experienced.


Then don't be that guy. Where did I say that all models from Colombia are running scams? But the number is non-zero and Medellin is a hot spot.

BTW - I am not American and I know several people at Columbia University so occasionally mix the two.


A model I know has been waiting over two years just for an interview at the US consulate. Not sure how long the process is after the interview.
What pages from authoritative sources? Anyone and their racist mother can say anything online ... or haven't you figured that out by now?
 
Colombia and Colombians are constantly on the top 10 / top 5 happiest people on the planet list. What in the devil are you talking about with the mental health thing? Most people in Colombia are openly wondering if Americans have gone criminally insane with all the massacres, racism and insurrection attempts. They used to respect us. Now they think we're nuts. Sorry to burst your reality TV bubble.

I found that the average High School graduate in Colombia makes the average high school graduate in the US look like an amoeba. Well versed in classic literature, geography and a knowledge of multiple languages - usually Spanish/English. Tell me that sounds like the average high school graduate here?
haven't seen that thought that's irrelevant I'm talking about the diagnosis and treatment of mental health issues. All the massacres combined doesn't make usa more dangerous, colombians murder rate is what...8x usa? Racism!? Are you joking? There's plenty of racism in Colombia it's just more accepted and not talked about.

Lol the average high school graduate here well versed in English? That isn't true. Have you even seen schools in colombia?
 
I think it's time for everyone to:

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Any one cooked or eaten anything fun recently then? 😂 Food porn?
 
Absolutely gorged myself at a Persian restaurant. So freaking delicious.
Too busy being a glutton to take any pictures sadly
what did you order? that does sound good!
 
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haven't seen that thought that's irrelevant I'm talking about the diagnosis and treatment of mental health issues. All the massacres combined doesn't make usa more dangerous, colombians murder rate is what...8x usa? Racism!? Are you joking? There's plenty of racism in Colombia it's just more accepted and not talked about.

Lol the average high school graduate here well versed in English? That isn't true. Have you even seen schools in colombia?
I know more about Colombia than all of you here combined. That's why you should shut up and listen.
 
haven't seen that thought that's irrelevant I'm talking about the diagnosis and treatment of mental health issues. All the massacres combined doesn't make usa more dangerous, colombians murder rate is what...8x usa? Racism!? Are you joking? There's plenty of racism in Colombia it's just more accepted and not talked about.

Lol the average high school graduate here well versed in English? That isn't true. Have you even seen schools in colombia?
If you were to account for the murder rate of psychopath Columbus all the way up to 2024, the murder rate on this land would more than likely surpass the numbers in Colombia. Again, turn off the reality show BS you've been fed all your life.
 
Any one cooked or eaten anything fun recently then? 😂 Food porn?
Summer rolls with rice paper are always good. Fill them with rice, a little lime juice on top, avocado or guacamole, tomato, cucumber, bell pepper, carrot, soy sauce or Asian sweet and sour sauce, or experiment with completely different sauces. Maybe some chicken pan-fried. I think that's great ;)
 
Like I'm down with a philly cheesesteak egg roll in theory, just not sure in reality.
Yeah, my local sushi place did a cooked steak one that sounded good with steak and bacon, but in reality it was so nasty!!
 
Oh wow, so it was all tough and greasy? That's my fear. I'm super ahem shall we say anal about excess grease in food.
I can’t remember the specifics, tough sounds about right though. I wanna say they somehow made it dry, but my mind could just be foggy on it by this point. It stayed on the menu for years though. I kept checking every time I’d go in, thinking “surely it will be gone by now?”. But no. It’s still there.

@RainForest Thai sounds great! 💕💕
 
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