Pimpin' for Ron Paul

[LeenaLiberty]

I want my president to tell every state that abortion is legal and that gay marriage must be legally recognized. I don't want to depend on the states to get it right. I suppose that means I'm far from libertarian, aye?

Hey Amber, I hear this alot from people. With all due respect, it sounds like you want people to have the freedom to do they want or at least have choices (I agree) but there are things to consider with large centralized governments that makes these kind of decisions:
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Large centralized governing institutions are extremely precarious and dangerous as hell. We would essential end up being controlled by one large entity that limits our options, whether it is gay marriage, abortion or whatever. When explaining this issue to people I often use the metaphor of being able to go out and eat (i.e. options) Having a large centralized government, would be like having only one place to eat, let’s say McDonalds-and that’s it. When we allow states to make their own rules, laws and policies it allows for more choices-i.e. you can eat anywhere and there is also competition and comparison-which will help these restaurants improve themselves in ways to benefit the customer. This is a good thing. More choices=more freedom, less choices does not. Now if you have a complaint with the McDonalds Company (i.e. Federal Government) how do you go about making any change or improvements for the customer? It becomes very difficult since McDonalds is the only authority and option. Change would be very hard and will likely be an arduous process full of beauracratic nonsense.
A lot of time I feel like people see the federal government as a good thing when they believe it can pass good laws and such that benefit the people. The requires a lot of trust, something which I have been losing for a long time. Quite often the Fed does not do things that benefit us, sometimes it does, but rarely does this happen. They are also very keen at trying to make us think they are doing things to help us. Of late, the federal government is going rather crazy with trying to pass liberty limiting laws or even bypass congress altogether. For instance, the NDAA is not helpful and extremely limits our freedoms and could render anyone a potential terrorist (includes “thought criminals” WTF?-was is a thought crime anyways”)and could have U.S. citizen detained without a trial. SOPA is extremely relevant and seeks to censor the internet, blocking out whatever and any choices there are out there on the internet---once again, this notion of limiting choices=limiting freedom. The internet is a great source of information and the government knows this. Censoring of information is a basic strategy to control the masses. Read Fahrenheit 451? We need to be able to have choices in where we get information. Imagine if there was only one source to gain information (not too far off from today with the conglomeration of big media and news sources. How could we trust the information to be valid or unbiased. It would be and is, extremely difficult to do so.
So, by allowing the fed to gain so much power we lose our individual power-and open ourselves to the fed taking much control over our lives. I for one do not want that. If we leave it up to the states, this will endure more option allowing for more liberties and personal freedoms. Once again, the more centralized a government becomes the less ability you have to respond when it makes bad decisions or laws, you have no redress of grievances. The fed becomes the be all and end all of absolute authority. Who will you go to when you have a centralized government? You can’t. Once again, it may make good decision every once and a while, but it often makes bad laws. AS people we need the ability to take power back. Remember the federal government wants us to feel powerless (and they have been working on this for a long time), so it can take control. A body, that large with absolute power is dangerous… history in most cases, will show this.
I have now committed a thought crime…..
Reading some quotes the other night and I came across this one I found rather interesting. Keep in mind this quote comes from one of Obama’s top advisers.
“In earlier times it was easier to control a million people than physically to kill a million people. Today if is infinitely easier to kill a million people that to control a million people”- Sbigniew Brzeznski. Just the language itself kind of creeps me out with words like “control” and “kill”. Doesn’t make me feel too safe when a president listens to a man that makes quotes of this nature.[/color]

 

[LeenaLiberty]

I want my president to tell every state that abortion is legal and that gay marriage must be legally recognized. I don't want to depend on the states to get it right. I suppose that means I'm far from libertarian, aye?

Also... I forgot...
In my opinion a president telling all the states what to do is kind of along the lines of Despotism. Despotism: a form of government in which a single entity rules with absolute power. AKA Tyranny, Absolutism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Despotism

Alright, enough liberty talk for me today...
I can kinda get rapped up in this stuff

LL

 

[Poker_Babe]

Large centralized governing institutions are extremely precarious and dangerous as hell. We would essential end up being controlled by one large entity that limits our options, whether it is gay marriage, abortion or whatever. When explaining this issue to people I often use the metaphor of being able to go out and eat (i.e. options) Having a large centralized government, would be like having only one place to eat, let’s say McDonalds-and that’s it. When we allow states to make their own rules, laws and policies it allows for more choices-i.e. you can eat anywhere and there is also competition and comparison-which will help these restaurants improve themselves in ways to benefit the customer. This is a good thing. More choices=more freedom, less choices does not. Now if you have a complaint with the McDonalds Company (i.e. Federal Government) how do you go about making any change or improvements for the customer? It becomes very difficult since McDonalds is the only authority and option. Change would be very hard and will likely be an arduous process full of beauracratic nonsense.

I like that analogy.

Reading some quotes the other night and I came across this one I found rather interesting. Keep in mind this quote comes from one of Obama’s top advisers.
“In earlier times it was easier to control a million people than physically to kill a million people. Today if is infinitely easier to kill a million people that to control a million people”- Sbigniew Brzeznski. Just the language itself kind of creeps me out with words like “control” and “kill”. Doesn’t make me feel too safe when a president listens to a man that makes quotes of this nature.

I for one can't stand Brzeznski. Or Carroll Quigley for that matter.

 

[camstory]

I simply believe that RP isn't really the one who will get us to where we want to be (politically)

I don't think any "one person is capable of this... it's gonna' take all of us as a country to turn our way of thinking around and change things.

If it were this practical still I would only applaud. I agree wholeheartedly but I feel it is a fictional truth with which I am agreeing.

I have read this thread from start to finish just this morning. I am pleasantly surprised with the measure of civility all have maintained.

IMHO no one has addressed the real reason there will be no noticeable similarity between the campaign promises of the current, or the next president, and that which actually comes to pass. I believe that spending this sort of energy and time debating RP, Obama, or vermin supreme is like fucking a dead horse. It don't matter which end you mount it from or how hard you fuck it it's never going to giddy up. If you could attach a smell to the current state of political affairs in the US, I think the odor of rotting horse might be about right. The separation of powers and the ability of government to function as it was meant to have been polluted and corrupted by the all mighty $. When we come to the realization that the political tides are influenced more by the will of Wal-mart, GE, BofA, and a handful of oil companies, and their road dogs the auto manufactures, than it is by the gravity of the ppl's will, we might be able to regain some control of the ebb and flow of political movement, and governmental change. Lobbyist are said to have equal access whether they represent the sierra club, or Exxon. In the equation of greed and money where influence is the result, those who have the ability to inject more money are always going to gain more influence. It has gotten so bad that the execs for the auto industry forgot they were supposed to pretend to be humble, or that they gave a shit about what anybody thought. They didn't get reprimanded because it made any difference that they flew in, in their corporate Lear jets, they got reprimanded because they had made no effort to support the illusion. At least on their second trip to the hill they did a fair job of pretending, but I bet they didn't like it much.

I know it is not a popular position to take here but the occupy movement is a turn in the right direction. I am not well enough informed to take a stand one way or the other about this particular rebellion. I do think it will take some forum of civil discourse in great measure to really make a true change.

The separation of church and state, has been compromised and the result is the calamity that now exist, and will continue to prevail as long as we continue to worship $$$

Still, it's a very difficult thing, perhaps almost utopian. Humans are a greedy bunch and keeping them honest is a bit like shoveling sand against the tide, but nevertheless a worthy struggle.

I agree, but I fear we have been handed a pitch fork with which to shovel. :twocents-02cents: wow even defines the worth of our opinion.

 

[SweepTheLeg]

"Now, there's one thing you might have noticed I don't complain about: politicians. Everybody complains about politicians. Everybody says they suck. Well, where do people think these politicians come from? They don't fall out of the sky. They don't pass through a membrane from another reality. They come from American parents and American families, American homes, American schools, American churches, American businesses and American universities, and they are elected by American citizens. This is the best we can do folks. This is what we have to offer. It's what our system produces: Garbage in, garbage out. If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're going to get selfish, ignorant leaders. Term limits ain't going to do any good; you're just going to end up with a brand new bunch of selfish, ignorant Americans. So, maybe, maybe, maybe, it's not the politicians who suck. Maybe something else sucks around here... like, the public. Yeah, the public sucks. There's a nice campaign slogan for somebody: 'The Public Sucks. Fuck Hope.'"- George Carlin

 

[AthenaBlaze]

Just keepin' this thread alive!!! RON PAUL FOR THE MUTHA FUCKIN WIN!!!..... Much love :thumbleft:

 

[LeenaLiberty]

Vote for Vermin Supreme, vote for him twice!

That was just great... I really laughed my butt off.
Thanks.... I needed that...

 

[LeenaLiberty]

"Now, there's one thing you might have noticed I don't complain about: politicians. Everybody complains about politicians. Everybody says they suck. Well, where do people think these politicians come from? They don't fall out of the sky. They don't pass through a membrane from another reality. They come from American parents and American families, American homes, American schools, American churches, American businesses and American universities, and they are elected by American citizens. This is the best we can do folks. This is what we have to offer. It's what our system produces: Garbage in, garbage out. If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're going to get selfish, ignorant leaders. Term limits ain't going to do any good; you're just going to end up with a brand new bunch of selfish, ignorant Americans. So, maybe, maybe, maybe, it's not the politicians who suck. Maybe something else sucks around here... like, the public. Yeah, the public sucks. There's a nice campaign slogan for somebody: 'The Public Sucks. Fuck Hope.'"- George Carlin

I hear ya and see your point. We have an extremely uninformed public who also lacks critical thinking and other essential skills. When this happens, yeah, douche bags are going to be elected, unfortunately. However, the reason our society is so dumbed down is that we have been miseducated and misinformed for many, many years (yes-this could be our own fault too, essentially). As an example, we tend to believe in empty rhetoric, lean towards very short-sighted views and don’t even question what is given to us as “fact.” Much of what has happened that has lead up to today has been covert as well. Somehow we have let ourselves be duped and have allowed ourselves to be governed by either blind faith or cursory, fleeting emotions or whatever kind of cognitive dissonance we need to reduce tension (instead of using our minds, hearts and psyches.) So, yeah, essentially we can logically blame ourselves. BUT, simply resting in this fact sounds to me like a form of passivity. “It is what it is”, so to speak. This kind of attitude rarely leads to action or change and doesn’t help those to even acquire the motivation TO change. Governments bank on this! Passivity is a trap. What is does is makes us feel powerless and like there is not much we do, "C'est la vie.” Then this, inevitably, leads the people in power towards gaining even more power over us. Thus perpetuating the cycle you speak of.
But…..humans are prone to errors, we make mistakes, we can accept lies as truth and truth as lies, we can even completely ignore what is right in front of our face from time to time, but…..we can also turn around and say “what the fuck-something isn’t right here.” As humans, I think we have the remarkable ability to learn from our mistakes and correct our errors. It will take a great awakening for many people to start waking up to this fact and to all the other bullshit and conditioning we have been exposed to (or allowed ourselves to be exposed to). It will take time, but it is already happening now. I just hope that it will come in enough time before it is too late. I like to have hope in people/the public/whatever, no matter how much bullshit I witness. Otherwise, life really wouldn’t have that much meaning to me for some reason. Having discussions about all this stuff, hanging out in forums like this, questioning and challenging even our own beliefs is key. Talking with people, getting different opinions and being willing to step outside of our “boxes” and stand up for ourselves as freaking human beings is key as well (on so many different levels.) Refusing to accept the standard quo is another crucial part of it and then there is of course, ACTION. We’ve been lead to believe we are powerless as individuals or a public-which is the furthest thing from truth! The government insults us by banking on the fact that yeah, we are too stupid to do much, so they step in and take care of it for us, as if we are incapable. This is something that really needs to change.
It’s easy to get caught in the trap of thinking in the way in which you describe. It hits be from time to time when I just get tired and defeated… But I always get back up, and keep going. To be free from the trap is empowering as hell.
Ayn Rand:
The Anti-Conceptual Mentality
http://praxeology.net/rand.htm


In Freedom, LL

 

[Poker_Babe]

"Now, there's one thing you might have noticed I don't complain about: politicians. Everybody complains about politicians. Everybody says they suck. Well, where do people think these politicians come from? They don't fall out of the sky. They don't pass through a membrane from another reality. They come from American parents and American families, American homes, American schools, American churches, American businesses and American universities, and they are elected by American citizens. This is the best we can do folks. This is what we have to offer. It's what our system produces: Garbage in, garbage out. If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're going to get selfish, ignorant leaders. Term limits ain't going to do any good; you're just going to end up with a brand new bunch of selfish, ignorant Americans. So, maybe, maybe, maybe, it's not the politicians who suck. Maybe something else sucks around here... like, the public. Yeah, the public sucks. There's a nice campaign slogan for somebody: 'The Public Sucks. Fuck Hope.'"- George Carlin

I hear ya and see your point. We have an extremely uninformed public who also lacks critical thinking and other essential skills. When this happens, yeah, douche bags are going to be elected, unfortunately. However, the reason our society is so dumbed down is that we have been miseducated and misinformed for many, many years (yes-this could be our own fault too, essentially). As an example, we tend to believe in empty rhetoric, lean towards very short-sighted views and don’t even question what is given to us as “fact.” Much of what has happened that has lead up to today has been covert as well. Somehow we have let ourselves be duped and have allowed ourselves to be governed by either blind faith or cursory, fleeting emotions or whatever kind of cognitive dissonance we need to reduce tension (instead of using our minds, hearts and psyches.) So, yeah, essentially we can logically blame ourselves. BUT, simply resting in this fact sounds to me like a form of passivity. “It is what it is”, so to speak. This kind of attitude rarely leads to action or change and doesn’t help those to even acquire the motivation TO change. Governments bank on this! Passivity is a trap. What is does is makes us feel powerless and like there is not much we do, "C'est la vie.” Then this, inevitably, leads the people in power towards gaining even more power over us. Thus perpetuating the cycle you speak of.
But…..humans are prone to errors, we make mistakes, we can accept lies as truth and truth as lies, we can even completely ignore what is right in front of our face from time to time, but…..we can also turn around and say “what the fuck-something isn’t right here.” As humans, I think we have the remarkable ability to learn from our mistakes and correct our errors. It will take a great awakening for many people to start waking up to this fact and to all the other bullshit and conditioning we have been exposed to (or allowed ourselves to be exposed to). It will take time, but it is already happening now. I just hope that it will come in enough time before it is too late. I like to have hope in people/the public/whatever, no matter how much bullshit I witness. Otherwise, life really wouldn’t have that much meaning to me for some reason. Having discussions about all this stuff, hanging out in forums like this, questioning and challenging even our own beliefs is key. Talking with people, getting different opinions and being willing to step outside of our “boxes” and stand up for ourselves as freaking human beings is key as well (on so many different levels.) Refusing to accept the standard quo is another crucial part of it and then there is of course, ACTION. We’ve been lead to believe we are powerless as individuals or a public-which is the furthest thing from truth! The government insults us by banking on the fact that yeah, we are too stupid to do much, so they step in and take care of it for us, as if we are incapable. This is something that really needs to change.
It’s easy to get caught in the trap of thinking in the way in which you describe. It hits be from time to time when I just get tired and defeated… But I always get back up, and keep going. To be free from the trap is empowering as hell.
Ayn Rand:
The Anti-Conceptual Mentality
http://praxeology.net/rand.htm


In Freedom, LL

WOW!!! Very well spoken. Quite articulate. Couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[camstory]

I agree with Luna about 95%. That's pretty darn good.

I agree, and salute :handgestures-salute: the honesty of this and all Luna's post

As far as this goes

I can't just open a 7-11 franchise and deny Albanian obstetricians by claiming it's a "private store.")

I'm thinking you probably could - Albanian obstetricians are the worst :lol:

 

[SoTxBob]

I believe that spending this sort of energy and time .... is like fucking a dead horse. It don't matter which end you mount it from or how hard you fuck it it's never going to giddy up.

I love this analogy. Sadly, it seems to describe most of the current political process as well as many other venues where corp cash is the driving force.

 

[Poker_Babe]

 

[Poker_Babe]

 

[PlayboyMegan]

I'm not going to agree 100% on everything Ron Paul stands for. But so far, I like many of his stances.

 

[Shaun__]

Ron Paul seems to be a little unpopular with main stream republicans, and is unlikely to win the nomination. Have any of you considered voting for Gary Johnson? He seems to be a toned down version of Ron Paul, who is running as a third party candidate. I am a democrat and am thinking about leaving my party out of disgust by the lack of change. I am just so tired of hearing the the same tired lies over and over.

 

[LeenaLiberty]

WOW!!! Very well spoken. Quite articulate. Couldn't have said it better myself.[/quote]


Thanks Poker Babe! Spoken from the heart, I suppose.

Like the Aimee Allen videos. She's great.

 

[SweepTheLeg]

Leena Liberty-I'm not going to quote what you had to say because that post is quite massive and people can simply scroll up to read what you had to say, It's nice to think that people are smart and will learn from their mistakes but the same mistakes have been made for the past thousand years or two or three. As a whole I think the human race gives themselves too much credit on how intelligent we are. Individuals are smart, people are dumb. Politics, or the two party system has been dumbed down and limited to talking points and sound bytes. Are you against abortion? Well then you're a conservative you can't be liberal AND against abortion. Are you for gay marriage? Then you're a liberal because you can't be a republican AND for gay marriage.

I am all for people taking action but I cringe when reading into peoples reasons as to why they are taking action and their response is either remarkably inaccurate or that they don't even know why, they are just because they are. It's a mob mentality where I feel like more harm than good is being done. If people want to get involved with politics I am all for it, I know how difficult and mundane it is because I have trouble trying to keep up with everything with real life going on but those people who want to be more involved need to make more of an effort than just listening to people who's views they agree with and that is the only way they get their news and then reacting in kind.

The grass is always greener and the past is always romanticized while the present is always miserable doom and gloom.

 

[Poker_Babe]

I am all for people taking action but I cringe when reading into peoples reasons as to why they are taking action and their response is either remarkably inaccurate or that they don't even know why, they are just because they are. It's a mob mentality where I feel like more harm than good is being done.

Well I'm voting for RP because his voting record is proof of the kind of politician he is. Judge a tree by it's fruits.
http://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/296/ron-paul

 

[LeenaLiberty]

I am all for people taking action but I cringe when reading into peoples reasons as to why they are taking action and their response is either remarkably inaccurate or that they don't even know why, they are just because they are. It's a mob mentality where I feel like more harm than good is being done. If people want to get involved with politics I am all for it, I know how difficult and mundane it is because I have trouble trying to keep up with everything with real life going on but those people who want to be more involved need to make more of an effort than just listening to people who's views they agree with and that is the only way they get their news and then reacting in kind.

The grass is always greener and the past is always romanticized while the present is always miserable doom and gloom.

Hey there,
So I read what you posted and spent some time thinking about your post rather than responding from impulse. Theoretically, I get what you are saying. I really do. But I personally cannot allow that kind of thinking to be an excuse for me to just be cool with the way things are. I am certainly NOT cool with the way things are now and I refuse to just sit back and watch it all happen progressively. As far as history is concerned, yeah, we have made a lot of mistakes, the same ones, repeatedly in fact. But I do not choose to focus on these, I chose to focus on the positive changes that have been made, whether they are few and far in between-and what potential positive changes can be made in the future. Also as far as history is concerned, I think we are facing a time like we have never faced before and many would agree. This is a time to make it or break it. And whether we make it or not truly depends on us. As much as I love Ron Paul, unfortunately, I don’t think he is going to be able to save us. Only we can. And the stance at which we take towards tyranny is very important. We can fight it, stand against it, pay it glib intellectualizations, or just give up all together.

I guess whether or not one chooses to see through the bullshit or not is personal preference. However, I know there is a certain amount of Cognitive Dissonance that is involved in accepting some of the harsh realities about society, politics and the world as a whole. I know a lot of people who just don’t want to talk about some of these issues, because it is uncomfortable or hard to believe or they just don’t want to “rock the boat” or there is something better on TV to discuss. I also think when one allows themselves to be passive about these things it leaves them vulnerable to being controlled by a larger entity-history will show this. The powers that be want us to feel helpless and out of control. We have to start standing up for selves for heaven sakes! Remember the movie Network? The scene where the newscaster says “ I am a human being god damn it!, I am mad as hell and I am not going to take it anymore…” I can so identify with the man’s thoughts. Don’t you get mad at what you are witnessing in our society and politics today? I guess how one handles such frustrations, is what is truly important.

Briefly, I agree with the political paradigm issue. It is ridiculous. I know it is just something that limits and pigeon holes our ideologies, and I refuse to accept that as “just the way things are” and am really not going to spend that much time on it. Most know that life, human nature, politics, whatever is much more complex than this. I know that systems set up like this only serve us in one way-they limit our options. Less options equals less freedom (in many ways). I don’t allow this paradigm to dictate or label my thinking.

As far as taking action, I think it is quintessential to know how and why you are doing so, and to have an explanation that is organic and not a learned or regurgitated response based on whatever kind of disinformation that is out there. Being able to explain why you think the way your think is a very important skill. This gets into self-awareness and critical thinking. Unfortunately, these abilities don’t seem to be respected or encouraged much these days in my opinion (all we have to do is look at society and its many influences, media, education and so forth, to see how this is the case.) I also feel like many people don’t want to work hard toward change, or many people just rather give up, because it is too hard or painful or whatever. We have been conditioned by a culture that is ingratiated by needs for immediate gratification- so persisting in an ideal that is against the norm can become boring or too difficult. I get really tired of individuals simply placating the issues at hand by intellectualizing them. It seem like a good way to stay safe, is to stay in one’s head. But this temporary feeling of safeness can only last so long until the harsh realities of what is happening become even harder to ignore.

MY reasons for taking action with this stuff is because I believe in freedom and free will. I also believe in the human spirit. I don’t think we are all stupid, in fact, I think we have some amazing abilities, that need to be encouraged and harnessed (of course the “system at play” is against this-they want us to be dumb, defenseless and powerless). I also STRONGLY believe in reason, ethics, and justice-something I also feel is fleeting these days. These are values I understand and find personally meaningful, and do my best to integrate them into my own life in whatever way I can. Of course what we all experience as meaning is a completely subjective psychological experience-and that is fine, we have free will to think this way or not. I don’t want to live in the Matrix.


Also I simply choose to stand for something rather than nothing.

Lastly, (I know I am now reaching rambling zone)-sorry forum…. I also think the stuff in which we are debating is really more than “just politics.” It is about our freaking lives, our society, our world in which we function and live in, our future… I can’t fake it like this stuff doesn’t bother me… we are in a BAD place in time.

Personally, I’m so tired of people and myself being lied to, taken advantage of and disenfranchised. I’m sick of people treated like they are stupid and can’t make decisions for themselves. I am sick of justice deteriorating in our society. I’m tired of hearing about massive amount of people losing their jobs, their freedoms, their lives, and their ability to support themselves. I’m so tired of losing my basic privacies bit by bit. I’m sick of being monitored everywhere I go it seems. I’m tired of listening to useless, empty rhetoric by those in power while audiences just applaud mindlessly. I’m sick of the pageantry of politics. I’m sick of the rat race. I’m sick of things like fluoride and other toxic matter being in our water system. I’m tired of meeting people in their 20’s and 30’s with cancer. I’m tired of hearing how school children being conditioned to accept tyranny and forced terror drills by their useless school systems. I am sick of watching everything my family and other families have worked for deteriorate day by day. I’m extremely tired of hearing about demonstrative abuse by those in forces that are supposed to serve and protect. I am so tired of diagnosing and labels and pharmaceutical sorcery to manage everything it seems. I’m sick of working with children who are having nervous breakdowns at the age of 5. I’m tired of the government trying to control aspects of our lives. Im sick of witnessing the deterioration of sanity and morality in our country. I am tired of many people being more concerned with Whitney Houston’s funeral rather than focusing on extremely important economic issues that are taking place as we speak. I am tired of spectacles and the government creating problems so they can offer solutions. And I AM EXTREMELY tired of wars, endless wars, (funded by our taxes). I am tired of fear and/or complacency being two of the driving emotions today. I am also tired of those consumed with GREED, having so much power and making it hard for those who just want to make a decent life for themselves succeed. These things I am discussing are not sweeping generalizations. They are real.


I could go on and on and on and on. I could also provide you examples of these matters in which I just described if you need some kind of proof. I’m concerned about the future, not just mine, but yours, everyone else’s, and future generations. Because where we are now, things are kinda scary, can certainly get worse and are freaking real! Anyone who is paying attention can see this. Anyone who does not, has to have their head in the sand. I never thought I would live in time where I would have to witness all of this crap. If we just sit around letting this shit happen, what the hell is our future going to be like?


I see all this stuff, and yeah, it’s depressing and sucks, somehow I manage to stay positive as much as I can even if it is through simple things… It takes some work some days, more so than others. Im just ready to start seeing people wake up. And whenever I do encounter this, it truly refreshes my spirit and faith in humanity and makes it worth it.

This whole mentality, that there is just nothing we can do is so lame and so trite. I seek to light a spark in others who are tired of the massive amount of bullshit that is perpetuated by the machine, who have a desire to start standing up for themselves and society and who also want to help others do the same. I could be wrong about all of this stuff-and if so, I will accept that. But at least I know I tried…


I don’t know if you agree with me or not.
Feel free to give me your insights. These are the things that are important to me and why I continue with the things I do… Please help me to understand what is important to you and how it has influenced your beliefs… ?


Okay.. so this may have been a rant… but as you know now, I am very passionate about these issues and will always be. I’m sorry this is so long, I think having these kind of discussions are extremely important.

Best wishes to you all…
In truth and freedom, LL

 

[Poker_Babe]

 

[LeenaLiberty]

There we go, you know what I'm talking about.
Great clip, Thanks Poker_Babe!

 

[RedHerby1]

are you cam models the only normal people there in that strange country?

 

[LeenaLiberty]

are you cam models the only normal people there in that strange country?

That cracks me up for some reason.
I read somewhere once (I forgot the exact statistic or how it was measured) that more females within the adult related industry (cam girls and exotic dancers for example) tend to to favor candidates like Ron Paul, and Libertarian principles...

Perhaps we believe in our bodies being the most sacred form of private property and this fuels or philosophies to some degree... who knows...

 

[Bocefish]

In response to the last video posted regarding so-called abortion nostalgia, I'll just add the following:





Abortions being used as contraception over and over again is ok because the government didn't provide her with birth control after her first abortion. She is also claiming to be the victim if forced to watch or learn about the fetus she is killing. Really? Oh ya, and the world is flat.

 

[RedHerby1]

In response to the last video posted regarding so-called abortion nostalgia, I'll just add the following.

I get the message "The uploader has not made this video available in your country" when I try to view the first video.

It was not the abortion part of video it why I did posted it, it is his remarks about euthanasia in the Netherlands. Those are not a opinion of him, it are plain lies.

but ok, maybe I'm brain waved by left European journalists

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...sidential-race-feeds-anti-americanism/253318/

below quote applies to me

He notes that Europeans believe "America is the land of intolerant, fundamentalist religion, with screaming televangelists calling homosexuals Satan's semen-drenched acolytes, while Europe is charting a path toward enlightened secularism."

 

[Nordling]

[...]

Abortions being used as contraception over and over again is ok because the government didn't provide her with birth control after her first abortion. She is also claiming to be the victim if forced to watch or learn about the fetus she is killing. Really? Oh ya, and the world is flat.

Yes, after all male politicians know so much more about women's bodies than women do... [*sarcasm*]

BTW, if you are ever in need of Viagra or kindred, would you be okay if they pass a law that requires you to undergo a cystoscopy for each prescription?

 

[Bocefish]

[...]

Abortions being used as contraception over and over again is ok because the government didn't provide her with birth control after her first abortion. She is also claiming to be the victim if forced to watch or learn about the fetus she is killing. Really? Oh ya, and the world is flat.

Yes, after all male politicians know so much more about women's bodies than women do... [*sarcasm*]

BTW, if you are ever in need of Viagra or kindred, would you be okay if they pass a law that requires you to undergo a cystoscopy for each prescription?

WTH does that have to do with anything?

The woman admitted having several abortions and then blamed the government for not providing her with birth control... Where is her personal responsibility??

 

[hillstrand]

[...]

Abortions being used as contraception over and over again is ok because the government didn't provide her with birth control after her first abortion. She is also claiming to be the victim if forced to watch or learn about the fetus she is killing. Really? Oh ya, and the world is flat.

Yes, after all male politicians know so much more about women's bodies than women do... [*sarcasm*]

BTW, if you are ever in need of Viagra or kindred, would you be okay if they pass a law that requires you to undergo a cystoscopy for each prescription?

WTH does that have to do with anything?

The woman admitted having several abortions and then blamed the government for not providing her with birth control... Where is her personal responsibility??

The two have nothing to do with one another. Its a Straw-Man, and a fallacy. No one seriously wants to take away women's right to govern their reproduction, just that the right has certain limits upon it.

With the easy access to contraceptives and loads of people who want children but cannot have them on their own, the need for elective abortions is specious at best. The Medical Necessity argument is another Straw-Man, it was always legal, maybe not codified but it was common law.

 

[Nordling]

[...]

Abortions being used as contraception over and over again is ok because the government didn't provide her with birth control after her first abortion. She is also claiming to be the victim if forced to watch or learn about the fetus she is killing. Really? Oh ya, and the world is flat.

Yes, after all male politicians know so much more about women's bodies than women do... [*sarcasm*]

BTW, if you are ever in need of Viagra or kindred, would you be okay if they pass a law that requires you to undergo a cystoscopy for each prescription?

WTH does that have to do with anything?

The woman admitted having several abortions and then blamed the government for not providing her with birth control... Where is her personal responsibility??

The two have nothing to do with one another. Its a Straw-Man, and a fallacy. No one seriously wants to take away women's right to govern their reproduction, just that the right has certain limits upon it.

With the easy access to contraceptives and loads of people who want children but cannot have them on their own, the need for elective abortions is specious at best. The Medical Necessity argument is another Straw-Man, it was always legal, maybe not codified but it was common law.

Straw Man? No, there ARE people who want to take away women's rights regarding control of their own bodies, and I wonder the motives when someone posts an anecdote about someone who has been less than responsible--when the topic is about EVERYONE's rights, not just one miscreant. Have you even been listening to such wonders of intellect lately like Rick Santorum? He not only wants to make abortions a crime (of the provider) but wants to outlaw contraception in any form (other than the stupid "aspirin between the knees" joke).

Personally I don't think it's a good idea to use the poor choices of the few to make illegal, the options of the many. Yes, some people lead irresponsible lives, they casually have unprotected sex, some people eat too much junk food, some people jaywalk, some people don't wash behind their ears.... blah blah.

To me, it's ironic that so many people who scream about "Freedom" appear to want to deny freedom to others.

 

[Poker_Babe]

Just wanted to point this out. Be aware that certain kinds of abortions have been known to cause cancer. So please keep this in mind and be careful.