Camgirls who scam

[HiGirlsRHot]

Ah ok, yeah very true. Yeah, I wish there were some way to better inform members before they wind up in a thread like this. :/

I do to. Virtually ever marketplace has a rating system in place which is far more important than the company getting involved in sorting out transactions, Uber, Ebay, mechanical turk, both buyers and sellers rate each other. While its far from perfect, perpetual scammers get caught pretty quickly. Camgirls also use twitter, and the model only forum to inform each other of scamming members.

Members we don't have an option, camscore and the SM rating system are useless for determining can this model be trusted. Telling my whooping 170 tweeter follower (a bunch who I doubt are mfc members) model xyz fucked me over doesn't help. Model names don't even get mentioned here (which is probably a good thing.).

 

[Ann_Sulu]

I do to. Virtually ever marketplace has a rating system in place which is far more important than the company getting involved in sorting out transactions, Uber, Ebay, mechanical turk, both buyers and sellers rate each other. While its far from perfect, perpetual scammers get caught pretty quickly. Camgirls also use twitter, and the model only forum to inform each other of scamming members.

Members we don't an option, camscore and the SM rating system are useless for determining can this model be trusted. Telling my whooping 170 tweeter follower (a bunch who I doubt are mfc members) model xyz fucked me over doesn't help. Model names don't even get mentioned here (which is probably a good thing.).

Yup, I think sites rely a little too heavily on that spur of the moment twitchy tip finger, without thinking about the long term.

In the end the site becomes like the scamming camgirl...eventually members just don't want to come back.

At the very least, (not that it would necessarily help with scamming on camsite, but maybe would help with clip sites) I wish the first time a member signed up they had to go through things like it were a video game tutorial. Like before they put their card number in they have to click and read about each feature on the screen. Yes they'd be frustrated going through it all, but I figure it'd be more enjoyable for everyone later on if they did.

 

[Tristyn]

A few things that pop to mind re: recieving payment in full:

Custom and exclusive videos are not always the same thing.
I know that customs tend to be exclusive when bought and paid for through MFC, but in my experience that's not always the norm on other content selling sites. I always specify that there is a difference before people order from me. To summarize that difference:

I can resell custom videos.

I typically can't resell exclusive videos.

What makes a video exclusive? Usually, it is so specifically oriented to the customer who ordered it that it'd never be resellable even if I wanted to sell it to someone else. Very specific fetishes & fantasies, name moaning, and so on. I charge more of these, since they're a one-off for me.

Customers still get to direct custom videos, but typically they would be resellable, and I do often resell them. These cost less, but can still take a lot of time, effort and resources ($$$) up front to make.

I would never agree to make either without full payment in advanced.
In the case of an exclusive video, I could end up working for nothing if I did. Or, if I only took a half-payment until after I delivered the item, I could spend hours working on something and never get paid in full. ...Oh, and even IF the video IS resellable, there's never any guarantee that it WILL resell well enough to recoup my losses. I would resell a video for a fraction of the price the custom would have cost originally, so it'd have to sell a lot before I'd break even.

None of those options are appealing to me.

While there are unfortunately models who do scam members, you also have to realize that there are members who try to scam models every. single. day. I really mean that -- not a day goes by where someone doesn't try to get things for free or scam me, whether it's something as simple as "show tits bb then we'll go pvt" or something as complicated as trying to use an amazon wishlist scam to get a free skype show.

It happens. Constantly.

If that makes you not want to order from me, that's fine. Feel free to take me into a private show and see what you want live, risk free, at a per-minute rate, or buy something premade.

 

[kylexy]

While there are unfortunately models who do scam members, you also have to realize that there are members who try to scam models every. single. day. I really mean that -- not a day goes by where someone doesn't try to get things for free or scam me, whether it's something as simple as "show tits bb then we'll go pvt" or something as complicated as trying to use an amazon wishlist scam to get a free skype show.

It happens. Constantly.

If that makes you not want to order from me, that's fine. Feel free to take me into a private show and see what you want live, risk free, at a per-minute rate, or buy something premade.

I understand that but when most of the transactions are "pay 100% up front", you aren't really taking any risk so buyers trying to scam shouldn't be a problem for you(?)

 

[Jillybean]

So I am curious why Teagan doesn't think they are generally resellable

32 out of the 33 customs I've done have been extremely specific fetish requests.

These members have extremely specific requests and most of them are NOT sexual at all when taken out of context.

For instance, I'm making a deal right now to sell a custom video of me shifting gears in my car. That's it.

Only one custom was ever ordered where I was asked to masturbate and relax and enjoy it. And only a couple of my customs were slightly sexual.

And I've not resold many of them at all. Just because you have anecdotal evidence of some girls having resold custom content doesn't make that the norm. I enjoy catering to specific fetishes, but what comes with that is that my customs rarely ever resell, so I charge quite a bit for them, and I charge 100% up front.

This current system doesn't work because horny men are stupid. So I really don't get what you're going on about. The system works because people are generally GOOD, they generally DON'T scam. MANY of the guys that order customs from me check my clip store, my Twitter, my camsite. They see if I'm dedicated. I know this because they say things like "I follow you on Twitter and saw about your custom clips there" or something along those lines. I'm pretty sure that just like any savvy consumer, they're going to check out what they're spending their money on.

Don't call people stupid just because they are comfortable with doing a business transaction that you don't agree with.

Oh and edit: I just wanted to add that I don't know about other girls, but the thought of watching my entire video over and over again to make sure I'm editing out the "custom" part of customs to make them more resellable would be awful. It sounds tedious and like it amplifies the amount of work it would take tremendously. Therefore it would take even more sales to feel like the work was worth it.

And basically I just want to say... As a camgirl on this issue, when I get a member who is just not at all comfortable with paying me up front, I simply let the deal fall through. I don't mind at all! I don't get mad. I don't judge him. I don't think he's a dick for wanting content first. It is just not how it works with me so I don't do it. And so I really feel like members should just stop getting angry when a model refuses to give out content before getting paid. Let's just agree that we aren't the best combination of mindsets to deal with because we are both too distrusting. If you're so distrusting that you won't even open an escrow on MGF to make the deal happen, then let's just not do the deal!

I don't think being distrustful of someone you never met is a bad thing. I'm often amazed when I get a $100 GiftRocket from a guy who's only had two or three emails with me. I'm blown away at the trust he's putting in me to actually get the clip done and sent to him.

 

[Teagan]

I do see a lot of content on MFC girls profiles labeled as customs. I do know some can be resold. I dont disagree with that. Its just like Jilly said the mass majority can not be. And those videos you wont see listed on a profile for sale even cause the girls know it wont sell so it's a waste of time to edit it, write a description, make a gif, etc to even try to sell it again. So we have a bank of videos made guys will never see we even have.
Like Jilly too 99% of my customs do not resell. Not once. Then the other left over sell maybe once or twice. Not enough to cover the time I put in to it making some guys exact specifications come true and for him to not pay me for it. Its something I would never have made ever and would have spent making something else that would have multiple times. I mean we get some wild requests and some so specific they get down to the color lipstick they want us to wear and 100 different angles we have to get exact or written scripts with lines we memorize. Now dont get me wrong I LOVE doing customs personally but I also love getting paid for how much work I put in to them and not getting that just sucks. Just like guys not getting what they paid for sucks.

 

[Ann_Sulu]

I thought I'd go ahead and also include this.

What happens on the camgirls side: From making the video to selling it.

Starting with the irritation of planning the right time of day to where no one will interrupt her (since normally the only "right times of day" are when we're either on cam or asleep) getting lighting to cooperate (because unless you're in the exact same position, and the same spot you will need to move it), after she reads and rereads the script to make sure she didn't miss anything, charged camcorder, sd card in camera (with enough free space of course, otherwise you have to reshoot after clearing enough room), camera at the correct angle, making sure autofocus isn't on, have all props...I'm probably forgetting other things, but you get the picture.

After all of that crap, it's all over right? just a simple upload and description yes? WRONG! Hope you like forms! Also, you have to be sure to be a wordy as possible or it won't likely sell, so if there's a blank...well you get it! This for is a c4s video form btw. The others work the same way though.

After you fill that out, be sure to click the tweet button, or you'll likely never get noticed. I didn't know that for like a year...made like 3 sales. Once you upload on c4s your video gets put on the front page, until it gets pushed off by all the other majillions selling porn. Eventually if you keep reloading like a lunatic, you get lucky to get in the top 50 of that category (which can mean everything from you've made $1-sky is the limit). If you're insanely lucky you get in the top 50 on the main page.

That's only c4s, but all of them are the same in the way that you get more points/better ranked after you reupload a ton. They get posted to twitter with hashtags making them popular.

I'd say most could sell masturbation vids easier through camming as prizes, but this is definitely the only way I know how to keep fetish videos rolling.

 

[Tristyn]

I understand that but when most of the transactions are "pay 100% up front", you aren't really taking any risk so buyers trying to scam shouldn't be a problem for you(?)

I've had guys pay up front and then charge-back the purchase and have had to deal with that aftermath, so yes, it is still a problem.

But mainly, I was illustrating why most camgirls stick to charging in full up-front: because being scammed otherwise is a very real and regular reality in this industry, and reselling custom or exclusive content is 1) not always possible and 2) doesn't always result in recouped losses.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

I've had guys pay up front and then charge-back the purchase and have had to deal with that aftermath, so yes, it is still a problem.

But mainly, I was illustrating why most camgirls stick to charging in full up-front: because being scammed otherwise is a very real and regular reality in this industry, and reselling custom or exclusive content is 1) not always possible and 2) doesn't always result in recouped losses.

I would have guessed maybe 1/2 the videos could have been repurposed it sounds like that is much too high of an estimate on my part. I and I suspect most member knew that a 10 minute video clip took a lot longer for make up, lighting, filming,editing, uploading etc. . We are talking about hours of effort on the part of the camgirl when they get scammed by the members. But with custom videos typically costing $100, $200 and often more. We are talking about it taking a typical member a day or two or even longer to earn enough money to buy one. So when we don't get one we are out even more time than a camgirl, and it is always a 100% loss on our part.

The current system isn't good so I hope somebody comes up with a better system.
I also hope that kylexy (OP) gets his videos, but if not I think this has been this best thread on the subject we've had on ACF. Not much of a consolation prize, I know.

 

[kylexy]

I think we all can agree that no matter if you are the seller or the buyer, you loose time and money if you get scammed. The current way of doing deals often favors the cam girl (100% up front), if it didn't I wouldn't have made this thread. I don't want to reverse it so it's in favor of the buyer, I want to see a system that favors both equally. And that's interesting to discuss imo.

On a positive side, today I actually got the set from 1 of the 4 I've been waiting for. On the 5th(!) promise that "It will be done today", she actually delivered. This was one of the "popular" cam girls, she has several tens of thousands followers on Twitter for example, so I was expecting more professionalism. Nevertheless, I'm very happy with the result and she sent some extra stuff for the trouble, which was a nice gesture. So in the end I'm pleased with the result of the deal, even if I most likely never will deal with her again.

 

[dilligaf0]

Just remember, the ladies have a real life too and maybe real life gets in the way of them fulfilling their promises in a timely manner. Gently remind them after some time passes (in case they forgot) and don't immediately jump to the "scammer" tag.

 

[AlisonNeko]

Just remember, the ladies have a real life too and maybe real life gets in the way of them fulfilling their promises in a timely manner. Gently remind them after some time passes (in case they forgot) and don't immediately jump to the "scammer" tag.

This.
I have had a really hard 2 months that I'm only recovering from now. I appreciate the reminder messages, but I don't appreciate the spam every 2nd day when I've explicitly explained that I'm either unable to film, too swamped with University essays, or in the middle of moving house. It's important to keep contact with the model and keep faith unless something jumps out at you which causes alarms to go off.

 

[kylexy]

Just remember, the ladies have a real life too and maybe real life gets in the way of them fulfilling their promises in a timely manner. Gently remind them after some time passes (in case they forgot) and don't immediately jump to the "scammer" tag.

Like I've already stated, I understand 100% that things can come up IRL that delays stuff, I'm talking about when it happens 2-3+ times and none of the times they get back to you to inform that it's been a delay, even though they have time to cam every day and tweet every 20 minutes.

 

[Jillybean]

I want to see a system that favors both equally.

WHEN WILL I GET TO STOP SAYING THE DAMN WORD ESCROW?!



http://extralunchmoney.com/wiki/Escrow_Payment_System
https://help.mygirlfund.com/hc/en-us/articles/203926033-Using-Escrow-to-Contribute

You put your money into the site, the girl sees you have money and aren't a huge waste of time. Then she makes the clip. She sends it to you, the escrow sends your money to her.

If she never sends your video, the escrow releases the money back to you. Easy. As. Pie.

If someone insisted on using escrow, I would up my price CONSIDERABLY because the site takes a cut. But if that's worth it to the guy to make sure that I'm not going to scam him, then it is. And next time maybe he trusts enough to save himself a few dollars and send the giftrocket.

 

[kylexy]

The idea of an escrow system sounds like a good solution imo. Hopefully more pages can offer this in the future.

 

[zippypinhead]

If someone insisted on using escrow, I would up my price CONSIDERABLY because the site takes a cut. But if that's worth it to the guy to make sure that I'm not going to scam him, then it is. And next time maybe he trusts enough to save himself a few dollars and send the giftrocket.

Camsites take a cut, too, and a rather large cut at that. So, what's the difference between that and these sites that would cause you to up your prices CONSIDERABLY?

 

[Jillybean]

Camsites take a cut, too, and a rather large cut at that. So, what's the difference between that and these sites that would cause you to up your prices CONSIDERABLY?

For my customs I accept giftrocket or Amazon.

I sell customs on Streamate but they cost double what I usually charge already.

 

[Ann_Sulu]

ELM pays out at 65% btw...c4s 60%, and Manyvids 60% as well. Either way it's more than tokens, safe from scams etc.

 

[Azhrarn]

I like buying custom photos/movies from cam girls & even though I've gotten some really nice stuff I've also been scammed a number of times and I haven't found people discussing this anywhere. Is this common or have I just been extremely unlucky? This has even happened with quite well known cam girls, which I find very strange.

It usually goes the same way. She is polite and everything is good until she's gotten the money, usually in the form of an Amazon gift card. Then she suddenly stops answering my mails and blocks me from the chat room as well as her Twitter, if I should ever write to her there.

As Amazon gift cards are non-refundable once used I'm pretty much screwed once this happens. I can't get my money back and I can't file a dispute or anything against the scammer.

Anyone else has experience with this kind of scams and/or have any tips to how to avoid it?

Thank you

When I was new to MFC, I got scammed so many times that I eventually stopped buying content altogether (photos, videos, raffle tickets, etc). The fundamental problem was the failure of MFC to enforce any type of accountability on the part of cam girls. And the current comment and rating system provided on cam girl profiles is absolutely useless.

A few months ago however, MFC changed their ToS stating that cam girls should try to fulfill their agreements. That’s a start, but it really needs to be paired with a registration service, whereby each purchase agreement can be registered with MFC, and those cam girls who fail to keep their agreements can then receive ratings and reviews from the members who have been scammed, with the girls whose rating falls below a certain level being kicked from the site unless and until they meet the agreements they defaulted on.

Assuming that never happens, you need to understand that many cam girls are completely unprofessional. I’ve had problems with cam girls in the top 100, and conversely, the most honest and reliable cams girls I’ve ever found probably won’t ever make top 100.

I would suggest spending at least a month in a girl’s room before buying any content from her. Use that time to look for warning signs. For example, if a girl has been on MFC for at least three months and really hasn’t built up any regulars, I take that as a sign of personal issues and just leave. If a girl consistently uses alcohol or weed on cam, same. If she’s rude to new visitors or bans people for no reason, same.

The other alternative is to test her early on. Find some inexpensive item and purchase it just to see how she responds. Then try another more expensive purchase. If she gives you any problems, write it off as a bad investment and move on. Yes, you lose money on the purchases, but at least you won’t be in her room giving her tips anymore either.

To avoid being scammed, pay less attention to how she looks, and more attention to how she behaves.

 

[Albert_1]

I must be extremely unlucky then, since right now I've waited 1½ months for sets from 4 different ladies (at least 2 of them would be considered among the "popular" ones), who was supposed to be done in a week. I think I've gotten every excause in the book, when they even bother to answer me.

A month and a half is nothing. I've bought a number of customs over the years and few months wait is something I've come to expect when dealing with someone I haven't done business with before. Altho some leave me pleasantly surprised. I would recommend giving the ones who come through for you a tweet or wall comment they can use to point to their reliability. As for the ones who rip you off (if you do your homework before you buy I'm guessing there won't be many in the long run) you're probably shit out of luck.

 

[kylexy]

To avoid being scammed, pay less attention to how she looks, and more attention to how she behaves.

You give some good suggestions, and specially this last one which I totally agree with and I actually always go by this. If a gal is rude I don't care how hot she is, I will not spend a dime on her. There are thousands of beautiful camgirls so why would you waste your time on the ones with shitty attitudes? Pretty much the same as IRL

A couple of times I have ordered customs from new cam girls that almost has no people in their room. (i.e. so far away from "Top-100" you can come) and while I have been scammed a few times, some of them have been the friendliest and most professional I've dealt with. So I recognize that.

You often notice on some of the more popular cam girls that they go from nice to more and more bitchy the more popular they get. I understand that with popularity comes dealing with more and more people, and of course that means dealing with more assholes. But it's a shame when you start follow someone that is genuinely nice and then turn to a complete cold bitch with the "give me money or fuck off"-attitude. So there's both pros and cons when dealing with a more popular or less popular cam girl.

Anyway, that was a little off topic. Thank you for your suggestions

 

[kylexy]

A month and a half is nothing. I've bought a number of customs over the years and few months wait is something I've come to expect when dealing with someone I haven't done business with before. Altho some leave me pleasantly surprised. I would recommend giving the ones who come through for you a tweet or wall comment they can use to point to their reliability. As for the ones who rip you off (if you do your homework before you buy I'm guessing there won't be many in the long run) you're probably shit out of luck.

I always ask for an ETA before I make any deal, just to know what to expect. Of course I've come to learn that "1 week" might as well be "1 month"...

It's not as easy as "doing your homework". Of course you can do research but you never have any guarantee. Like I said I have been scammed by both "popular" cam girls (with hundreds of positive reviews) as well as cam girls I've done deals with before without any problems.

 

[FayePotato]

I would suggest spending at least a month in a girl’s room before buying any content from her. Use that time to look for warning signs. For example, if a girl has been on MFC for at least three months and really hasn’t built up any regulars, I take that as a sign of personal issues and just leave. If a girl consistently uses alcohol or weed on cam, same. If she’s rude to new visitors or bans people for no reason, same.

While I totally agree with most of your post, I'm curious how a girl drinking/smoking pot on cam equates to her being less reliable. Of course, I'd understand if a model was constantly trashed, she might not be the best person to deal with, but I've seen plenty of girls who like to drink/toke casually on cam without it affecting their performance. It's up to the model to be able to know what she can and can't handle while she works, some definitely go overboard but I feel like there's an equal amount (if not a majority) of girls who can lightly drink or smoke weed on cam and still handle themselves fine and act professionally.

I myself smoke weed while on cam, for a variety of reasons, and it's never made me forget to send a video or be less responsible than I would otherwise. I ALWAYS fulfill my orders right away or as soon as I possibly can, regardless of whether I've been toking or not, and I know plenty of other models who are the same way.

I know this is just your opinion, and obviously some people would rather not do business with or watch a model that drinks or smokes pot on cam, but I think it's really a matter of preference and it depends on the model in question. I don't think smoking or drinking on cam itself should be a measure of how reliable a model is. Just my 2 cents.

 

[Azhrarn]

While I totally agree with most of your post, I'm curious how a girl drinking/smoking pot on cam equates to her being less reliable. Of course, I'd understand if a model was constantly trashed, she might not be the best person to deal with, but I've seen plenty of girls who like to drink/toke casually on cam without it affecting their performance. It's up to the model to be able to know what she can and can't handle while she works, some definitely go overboard but I feel like there's an equal amount (if not a majority) of girls who can lightly drink or smoke weed on cam and still handle themselves fine and act professionally.

I myself smoke weed while on cam, for a variety of reasons, and it's never made me forget to send a video or be less responsible than I would otherwise. I ALWAYS fulfill my orders right away or as soon as I possibly can, regardless of whether I've been toking or not, and I know plenty of other models who are the same way.

I know this is just your opinion, and obviously some people would rather not do business with or watch a model that drinks or smokes pot on cam, but I think it's really a matter of preference and it depends on the model in question. I don't think smoking or drinking on cam itself should be a measure of how reliable a model is. Just my 2 cents.

Hi KittyLeFaye,

I’m sorry if i gave offense, that wasn’t my intention. I understand what you’re saying and agree with you, the key word to describe the scenario I have in mind is “consistent.” If a cam girl occasionally drinks or smokes on cam, that’s one thing. But when a girl’s entire focus is “come watch me get wasted,” then no, I’ll just move on to another room thank you. In one case you have a cam girl who drinks alcohol, and in the other you have an alcoholic/pot head pretending to be a cam girl.

If you purchase something during a show, she may likely forget to write it down. If she says she’ll send x out to you immediately after a show, no, she probably won’t, because she’ll have passed out by then. Then if you message her later asking why you haven’t received x item, suddenly you’re an impatient asshole, whereas the reality is that she’s just had too much alcohol and is now an angry drunk who you can’t possibly reason with, and if she wasn’t getting drunk and getting high each and every night she’d have plenty of time to respond to emails and send out the items that people have paid for.

Yeah, this is just my opinion, but it’s based upon a fair amount of experience, and that experience has taught me that people who are addicts (again, not speaking of casual users) are not people you want to do business with. They’re liars, they’re not dependable, they’re not professional, and they have attitudes. Just my 5 cent token.

 

[yossarian]

On a positive side, today I actually got the set from 1 of the 4 I've been waiting for. On the 5th(!) promise that "It will be done today", she actually delivered. This was one of the "popular" cam girls, she has several tens of thousands followers on Twitter for example, so I was expecting more professionalism. Nevertheless, I'm very happy with the result and she sent some extra stuff for the trouble, which was a nice gesture. So in the end I'm pleased with the result of the deal, even if I most likely never will deal with her again.

Just a thought, but maybe if she has that many followers/is that popular, she might be making a lot of customs and takes them in the order she gets them?

 

[kylexy]

Just a thought, but maybe if she has that many followers/is that popular, she might be making a lot of customs and takes them in the order she gets them?

Did you miss:

On the 5th(!) promise that "It will be done today", she actually delivered..

 

[CherryChu]

This is a super helpful thread for me as a newbie camgirl... I was really worried that I'd be expected to make custom videos in like 3 days! My personal target for customs I'd think would be a week or two, but then we'll see if I can actually stick to that... it'll always be different for each person depending on what commitments they have in their lives. I don't go to university or have kids to look after, for example, and I have someone else who can edit the videos for me and sort out the technical side of things. Not every model will have those. And I'm not super popular so I'm not being flooded with millions of requests or anything ha.

It's interesting about the 'custom v exclusive' issue as well... I had wondered if there was some kind of unwritten rule (which I am terrible at) where customs can never be resold because after all if you've charged a member 2000tkns to make the video and then anyone else gets to buy it for 200, is that fair? Assuming I get a custom request that can be resold, I'd worry the member might get angry if I later listed it as a video for sale on my profile, or if I even asked... but I guess it's okay to ask the member first if they'd be okay with it being resold afterwards, given that they got to direct it.

Re payment up front/on delivery - personally, I think payment for almost anything should always be made up front but the buyer should try to do their research before purchasing, whether that's through a feedback system like eBay or getting to know the model on a camsite. Reliability and delivery times should be the seller's responsibility to work on and communicate, and the buyer's responsibility to have an idea of before they purchase. I like to buy from Etsy and sometimes get custom items and I'd never dream of saying I'll pay half or all of it once I have the item. I guess maybe because I also make things myself, but if you consider what the artist has to actually put into honing their skill, buying supplies, making the item, negotiating with you about what you want, going over your instructions to them, making your version of the item, checking it suits the original brief, then sending it out etc... they've already put in a lot of time and effort. If you really don't like the item you receive, speak to the seller to work something out, or just don't buy from them again. But I think buying something from someone for the first time is always a risk - when you go to a new restaurant you don't really know what you're ordering, but you still have to pay for it unless it's really really bad, right? A better rating system for camgirls and members would be good, I think, though the closest we seem to have now on MFC is the rate/admire/comment section on profiles.

 

[Teagan]

Assuming I get a custom request that can be resold, I'd worry the member might get angry if I later listed it as a video for sale on my profile, or if I even asked... but I guess it's okay to ask the member first if they'd be okay with it being resold afterwards, given that they got to direct it.

I never ask if I can resell something. If they give me a vid idea that I believe could be resold I give them a quoted price for the custom and a quoted price for an exclusive. Exclusive is of course higher priced. They can pick which they want then. If it's something that could never be resold then they just the exclusive price quoted cause that's what it is. That way they can never complain if they didnt buy something exclusive and see it being sold cause they did get what they paid for (an all inclusive 1080p HD vid to their exact tastes) and that's that.

 

[kylexy]

CherryChu
You're allowed to take as long time as you need with the customs of course, just be honest about it before you make the deal. That also clears any potential misunderstandings, if the customer is expecting a certain ETA that you might not be able to do.

 

[Beachie]

Not entirely sure how to start this thread [moved to this existing thread - Amber], other by saying that (by my own fault), I have been scammed. And I don't care about the money, I gave up on that a while ago. But, and here's me thinking out loud, shouldn't there be a place where ('verified') scamming models should/could be posted?

Before anyone jumps to conclusions - I am a nice guy, at least, like to think so. Hopefully somewhat underlined by my other main thread - which turned out alright in the end. This time however.... I see that some models either publish something in their news feed, have something on their profile or maybe even have a list somewhere, of scamming members/premiums. What about scamming models? Call this my personal vendetta, it probably is, but I'd really hate to see others being scammed by this model (or other models). I will not name anyone. Even though there is no doubt she is a scammer. But, shouldn't there be a place where, after being reviewed by our peers (members and models), with evidence, etc and if deemed scamming, these models are listed for public view?

I'll try to elaborate on my situation. And yes, I will be the first one to admit I was naive. Either way...

I was just searching MFC (tags/topics/news feeds) for some video deals (I'm a cheap ass Dutch guy haha) and came across this model whose topic mentioned she had video deals going on. So, I sent her a PM asking about the deals and prices. She gave me some prices, which were in Dollars, rather than tokens. So I knew she was going for like a VS gift card, PayPal or something similar. She said that the videos were sold as a pack for the deal, to which I asked if they were sold separately as well. Yes, she said, but for a much higher price. Which makes sense, after all, it's a package deal. Well after some 'negotiating' we made a deal for a few videos, for a good price, by PayPal. I did sort of think something was going on, since she said she was desperate and so on, but anyway, thinking it's not a huge amount, I'd just go ahead and send her the payment.

She'd check the payment, but the site wasn't taking her password (alarm bell). Like 5 minutes after, she said she'd sent them to my e-mail. Almost 15 minutes later, nothing had arrived yet. I suggested to use a GMail address of mine instead, since the other one was Hotmail and that sometimes messes up. Still, an alarm bell is going off, but I'm hopeful. Nearly 20 minutes later, still nothing. Then she mentions "it's been a while" (alarm bell), so it's taking her longer to get it sorted. 10 minutes later she says she's got it and that I should give it 5 more minutes (alarm bell). Basically, I'm taking my loss, but just the tiniest bit of hope makes me telling her again like an hour later, nothing arrived yet. No response.

For quite a while, I didn't see her online and just let it be, actually even forgetting about it. Then I see her pop online and I take the chance, knowing it's not going to work. But anyway, I contact her through PM again and apparently she had forgotten about me, asking if I like Skype/videos. To which I replied like "yes I do, in fact...". Then tell her about the deal we made. She then straight up calls me a liar, because she wouldn't sell it for that price and before I can even provide her with excerpts from the chat we had, she bans me.

Now yesterday, I decided to just take one more chance. I had nothing to lose - so I created another account, purchased tokens for it (I transferred them back to my main account, so no loss there) and I could simply delete the new account after I was done. So, I approached her, as nicely as I could, through PM. She asked again, if I like Skype/videos. I guess that's her default response, but alright. I confirm that I do and that before she continued, I'd have something to say. So again, in the nicest possible way, I start to mention what had happened and during my chatting she even says; well, you're nice to me now, plus she "doesn't screw people over". She mentions again, she's in a pickle with her bills. Anyhow, I go on to explain what happened, but she suddenly goes offline. Which could happen.

So 'just now', she came online again. Without anything bad happening on my new account, I approach her again through PM, still nice and mention that I hope we could solve the matter. She isn't sure what it's about, so I mention what it's regarding and during the brief explanation, PayPal is mentioned by me (since that's how I sent her money for the videos). Now, she accuses me again of not having my story straight, because she supposedly doesn't have PayPal, but uses Giftrocket. I'm still responding nice, like maybe she had an account before, but not anymore or something. Knowing she has (or at least had) an account, I get a screenshot from the first initial conversation and send it to her. After which she becomes quiet and doesn't respond anymore. How convenient. This was all going on in PM. So I entered her room and yep, very shortly after, I'm banned. Again.

So, yes, I know I was naive and I know better, but it was just a small amount I was willing to take the risk. Being scammed is one thing, but calling -me- a liar, on multiple occasions, that's another. You don't have to like me, I don't have to like you, that's fine. We don't have to get along, that happens.. But say what you think, mean it and don't lie about anything, just to try and talk yourself out of things.

I don't care about the money, it was a small amount, but such models should not be allowed on MFC, but at the very least be noted as scammer, for others to see. I don't really want to open the whole discussion about ranting and naming specific people, since I know that's basically bad, but when someone is a 'confirmed' scammer, model or member alike, shouldn't there be a spot where they are listed, for everyone to see and be warned? I didn't expect any response, but I did send MFC a mail regarding the matter, just for the record I guess. Received no response (which is fine).

It will be tough to 'determine', but maybe have a few 'trusted' members and models review any case, including evidence, in a closed environment and then when deemed a scammer, posted somewhere for everyone to see? Especially with clear cut cases such as, in my humble opinion, mine?

Apologies for the lengthy post and ranting, I just had to vent, but I do hope something can come out of this. Not for me, but for everyone else out there.

I will be more than happy to share any logs/screenshots with anyone in private or something, even with the model's name redacted if need be. She has her topic and has regularly been posting news feed messages, that I'm afraid many more victims may already have been made, plus will be made in the future. I'm thinking at least I would be a bit more 'satisfied' if someone just confirmed it (her being a scammer) for me, better even if this could be the start of a list. Nothing personal, just a warning for everyone to see.

Edit: Oh wow, I see the length of the post after submitting! I am sorry! But, as with my other thread, I feel like I need to make myself clear enough, to avoid any misunderstandings for example due to badly written English.