Why I no longer tip - one member's experience

[MadiSin_Moon]

A day in MY LIFE as a cam girl: (The purpose of this post is not to complain, but rather to educate those who make comments about how camming is just girls sitting around masturbating all day)...

THE MORNING OF: (every day) I Get up, eat a small meal, do 45-minutes of yoga/ pilates (to stay fit for my "slacker-job") get showered, give myself an enema if I plan to do anal, shave my legs, crotch, and pits, iron my hair, put on primer, then make-up, then layers of lingerie. Whilst drinking my green tea, I do about 30 minutes of MFC perving on my premium account to make sure that my plans for the day are neither an exact replica of what another is doing OR something that seems totally undesirable. I then take another 30 minutes (sometimes more) physically pulling together whatever it is that I plan on using as a means of entertainment in public and/or private chat...

AFTERNOON: ...I set up my laptop, camera, lighting, and play around with angles for a good 10-15 minutes before logging in. I pull out all my toys for the day and log in. I wait until my room fills up, sometimes this takes awhile. I dance, and tease, and attempt to pull in people to participate in my games or countdowns. Much of the time there's no interest so I break out another activity, and another I dance and tease, and dance some more. I talk, and type, and talk to guys some more. I talk to my friends, I ban pig-headed assholes, I take deep breaths to remain calm throughout a barrage of "show tits, bb", "wanna skype for 100 tox bb?" and the occasional "what's up, SLUT FACE?" I hit the ban button, smile, and move on with my friends. Privates or groups come intermittently-- I'm putting myself into tight bondage, spanking my ass, gagging on a huge dildo, sticking stuff in numerous holes, moaning and groaning, cumming, occasionally pretending to come, and then I do it all again. After a private I dance around, pick out vinyl to play on my record player for my members, fend off a few more douches, and entertain my awesome members more until I get another private or finish my countdown. Oh yeah-- did I mention that I'm really, really bad at math and having to fix my countdown every few minutes and multiply tokens in my head?

Rinse repeat. Rinse repeat.

EARLY EVENING: After about 5 or 6 hours (and hopefully I've made my $100 daily minimum goal) I log off, catch up on MFC of Streammate mail, raffle tickets, etc., then I usually spend an hour working on custom videos for another site. I then sterilize my toys, put them away, take off all the make-up, wash my ass again (since I've got lube, oil, sweat, lady-cum, drool, paint, wax, and god knows what else all over me), get my room in presentable shape, and then get ready to spend time with my family before I go to bed.

Again, I'm not complaining, just putting things into perspective. Do I like being a cam girl? I do! I do! Is it easy work, like sitting around masturbating all day? NO. Do I get upset by freeloaders on those occasional zero-profit days? YES.

 

[Mirah]

This is clearly snowballing because I never said easy or hard I was comparing what webcam girls do for tips compared to a bartender. Like I posted before if she makes account complain to her about it.

I had a post typed out but then my computer crashed and I lost it and I can't be arsed to re-type it but the gist of it can be found in this video between 2:11 and 2:16...

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[mynameisbob84]

This is clearly snowballing because I never said easy or hard I was comparing what webcam girls do for tips compared to a bartender. Like I posted before if she makes account complain to her about it.

I had a post typed out but then my computer crashed and I lost it and I can't be arsed to re-type it but the gist of it can be found in this video between 2:11 and 2:16...

community?! hearteddd

Pop Pop! :-D

 

[sweetiebatman]

Its not my problem that your pussy is sore are you have to fake a smile to get tips. Find another profession since it is so hard. If one comment like that can offend so many there must be some truth behind it. Every time I post my words are taken LITERAL sometimes I get a response that makes me see a different view. Most of the time its just white knights and non popular opinions trolling. I am done with this particular discussion in this thread. If you want you can pm me with your problems.

Wow, that first sentence really shows your true colours, and the second one is rubbish, the third makes absolutely no sense and the forth is just trying to justify your misinformed opinion, I will not be taking you up on your kind offer in the 5th sentance :mrgreen:

 

[Anonymous]

The implication that camgirls just get naked and that it takes no skill is pretty fucking insulting. Also, you think that camgirls DON'T work long hours for low pay? Bartenders can make next to nothing as well as a lot, just like with camgirls. Anyway, he wasn't comparing what camgirls physically do with what bartenders do, just the concept of tipping someone for moderating a social establishment.

^This.^

And every time I see a guy talk about camming like it's nothing more than just nakedness and dildo-fucking, it makes me feel like busting some fucking balls.

 

[victor0021]

Its not my problem that your pussy is sore are you have to fake a smile to get tips. Find another profession since it is so hard. If one comment like that can offend so many there must be some truth behind it. Every time I post my words are taken LITERAL sometimes I get a response that makes me see a different view. Most of the time its just white knights and non popular opinions trolling. I am done with this particular discussion in this thread. If you want you can pm me with your problems.

The way you state your opinion I do not believe for a second your best friend is a woman. Just saying.

 

[Anonymous]

Is she really that easily offended?

Yeah, I was thinking that if the comparisons alone offend her that easily, what's she gonna do - as a cam girl - the first time some idiot troll tells her "Get a reel job, u ugle azz dum whore!," etc. Lol.

 

[AllisonWilder]

Whoa. This thread is intense.

 

[Paulie Walnuts]

I don't spend my money on internet porn. I spend my money on MFC.

If I call it interactive internet adult entertainment, will it make anyone feel better?
"Internet porn" is not a derogatory title. MFC is internet porn. Many MFC models I've heard call themselves smut peddlers, camwhores, and all sorts of other colorful titles. And, I've seen some models become enraged at the same job titles. Go figure.

Call it anything you like, you're in the porn business on the internet. Explain to me why this word "internet porn" rubs you the wrong way. If you don't consider it "porn" then explain to me what it is.

Adult entertainment? Ok I'll accept that. Odd how when you record it and play it on some other site, it suddenly becomes internet porn.

BTW, I didn't intend to insult any of you with the term. I wasn't aware it would actually insult anyone.

 

[JoleneBrody]

:shock: :shock: :shock: Well I know what regular silent freeloader I'm banning today. Not because you have never tipped me but because you have zero respect for the HUGE amount of work and effort I put into entertaining you, mother fucker. <-- yeah, I'm ovulating and emotional. Deal with it.
Believe it or not camming is the most physically taxing job I've ever had, on top of emotionally. I rarely masturbate on cam and spend countless hours off cam making art and content to help pay my way through this crazy MFC world.
I dance for HOURS at a time constantly on my feet because not every girl get's to sit down! Yeah, I don't even HAVE a regular chair in my cam space! I love what I do but camming is the hardest job I've ever done. MFC esspecially demands A LOT from most any model in order to be successful.
I've been a bartender in a microbrewery before where not only was I the bartender but also had to haul kegs. I often worked 9 hours a day and while it was hard work and I was tired, it was by no means harder than what I do now, quite the opposite in fact.
Fact is I made the comparison to a bar from the member/patrons perspective, not how the bartender/camgirl feels so like Amber said your point was honestly out of place.

Excuse the defensiveness, and I know not everyone does this much, but I put in SO much behind the scenes work in order to stay afloat on MFC that my head is often spinning before I even get on cam! I have injured my back countless times from dancing to much trying to earn my way and pour my SOUL into everything I produce.
You don't respect it? Or want to feel offended that I compared myself to your job? Then you can seriously just fuck right off!

 

[IsabellaSnow]

Lol Jolene I think I love you a little bit right now!

When I started on mfcs I was also working behind a bar, good fun! very different work, but I think cam work is a LOT more mentally taxing, and quite often physically taxing. They have similarities in the ways that when it's quiet it's boring, but at least in bar work if it's quiet you're still earning.

Definitely prefer camming though, money is better, can choose my hours etc.

I had an old flatmate who used to have loads of friends over all the time having parties etc, and when I'd complain I couldn't work, she'd do the whole "Why don't you get a real job?" Her and her friends would always be very on their high horses about how they have real jobs, and work for a living, even though they were all holding onto several part time minimum wage jobs. Camming is a 'real job', and yes it's both physically and emotionally stressful, in many ways I'd prefer a bar job where I can just turn up, do my job and physically interact with other people, but for me the earnings make up for it, and I enjoy it!

If your 'friend' who just happened to be sat next to you to support your point, then still there when you insult women, is in fact real, I feel rather sorry for her, and am not entirely sure why you'd be persuading her to make a model profile if she is so offended by having a comparison made with cam girls, and as you seem to think cam girls deserve to be in pain! Your last message was literally "I know I'm losing this fight, but I'm going to quickly punch as many people as possible so I get the last word then leg it!"

 

[Paulie Walnuts]

2. A bartender just has to know how to mix drinks to get paid, but if they know how to deal with people, they will get the tips on top of their paychecks. A camgirl who doesn't know how to deal with people will never get money.

3. A bartender simply has to mix drinks for the customers, and maybe provide friendly conversation, and occasionally signal to the bouncers that this or that customer needs to go away.

Boy I got screwed as a bartender then... I had to keep track of the booze consumption, account for all the money, keep an eye on sticky fingered employees, order the booze, often go pick up all the booze and stock it. I had to open up and close the joint too.

I should have asked for a better job title.
:lol:

 

[AllisonWilder]

Your last message was literally "I know I'm losing this fight, but I'm going to quickly punch as many people as possible so I get the last word then leg it!"

He only bowed out of public conversation. He's now brought it to tumblr anonymously. It's pathetic and cowardly.

Nobody should be comparing the difficulty of a job they've never held. I've never been a bartender so I can't say it's easy, although I can say that it looks that way from my cozy bar stool. Saying it's easy doesn't mean I'm right. Just because some of you fellas can't see what we do behind the scenes doesn't mean that our job starts when the cam goes on and stops when we turn it off. There's more to it than that. I won't go into it because it's been stated several times already, but the fact of the matter is that camming is hard.

 

[LadyLuna]

2. A bartender just has to know how to mix drinks to get paid, but if they know how to deal with people, they will get the tips on top of their paychecks. A camgirl who doesn't know how to deal with people will never get money.

3. A bartender simply has to mix drinks for the customers, and maybe provide friendly conversation, and occasionally signal to the bouncers that this or that customer needs to go away.

Boy I got screwed as a bartender then... I had to keep track of the booze consumption, account for all the money, keep an eye on sticky fingered employees, order the booze, often go pick up all the booze and stock it. I had to open up and close the joint too.

I should have asked for a better job title.

:lol:

Thank you for the correction.

 

[VeronicaChaos]

oops, didn't mean to thank, lol.

THE THANKS IS A LIE! XD

everyone else said what I wanted to, so I'm just going to laugh at the fact that even though he bowed out as a "responsible person" (see http://www.cracked.com/blog/3-kinds-peo ... o-away_p2/) you know he's checking back with this thread. The punchline is that he can't defend NOT coming back because it would prove he's been back. ^_^ teehee. I iz amused.

 

[Paulie Walnuts]

To be honest, tending bar was one of the easiest jobs I ever had. I got to stay indoors where it was warm, I had a big Tv to watch, lots of free time when nobody was there during off hours. I didn;t have to get my hands dirty or do much heavy lifting. I got to talk to people all day.

Heck... I even got to shoot pool regularly. Dammit, I want my old job back.

 

[AmberCutie]

LOL...

One of the "fun" jobs I said I'd like to have outside of camming is/was bartending. I think that comment fits well in this thread. I find they may be very similar in some ways, even if they are very different in others.

ANYWAY...

I find when someone says they are going to bow out of a conversation it's because they know they've been defeated. I doubt he'd ever admit it, but we know that our argument is stronger than is regardless of if he comes back with posts.

I don't necessarily doubt that his friend is real... many women are easily offended by comments made by girls in the adult industry. That's just how the world works and it isn't fair. But as said by someone else earlier... I do wonder how fast she'd quit with some of the comments/trolls/bad reviews we cam girls get if she stepped into our shoes for a day.

 

[Anonymous]

Explain to me why this word "internet porn" rubs you the wrong way. If you don't consider it "porn" then explain to me what it is.

BTW, I didn't intend to insult any of you with the term. I wasn't aware it would actually insult anyone.

It's not so much about whether it IS or ISN'T "internet porn" (I won't go back and forth with you about it, and that discussion has been done to death)...it was the fact that you said that adult entertainment (our camming) isn't "worth that much ($1,000 or whatever you had said)." THAT is what some of us had a problem with. Just realize that adult entertainment that "isn't worth that much" to you may actually be the highlight of someone else's day. And if he's in a position where he CAN spend lots of money on it, then awesome for him and the ladies he's spending on.

 

[Meoff_69]

Its not my problem that your pussy is sore are you have to fake a smile to get tips. Find another profession since it is so hard. If one comment like that can offend so many there must be some truth behind it. Every time I post my words are taken LITERAL sometimes I get a response that makes me see a different view. Most of the time its just white knights and non popular opinions trolling. I am done with this particular discussion in this thread. If you want you can pm me with your problems.

Wow!

I just had to "say thank you" for speaking the truth with that reply! The only "truth" that I see in your statements, pretty much echos what a lot of people have already said in response to your childish little rant. You're an asshole! The fact that you're now seeing your way out of this thread and only taking PM's proves that you're not only an asshole, but a coward. Double bonus! Good for you, brah!

Did the heat get to be too much for you when everyone started to call you out, after showing your true colors? And nice job of back peddling when Jolene and others pointed out to you that your bartender point was out of place. The fact that you've attacked Jolene and other models on here with your last statement, once again proves to the rest of us that the problem really lies with yourself. Tell the truth...did a cam model put you down for being a bit too gaga for her in public? Did a model turn you down for a private because you only had about 50 tokens to spend on it? Did you accidentally grab rubbing alcohol instead of lube when you were rubbing one off to a cam girl's show? I got it...you ran out of clean socks to use while rubbing one off, right?

And if I may be LITERAL with you for a moment, I consider Jolene and a couple of other models, as friends of mine. Not because I've "paid" for their friendship, but because they've actually showed me that they give a damn about how my life is outside of MFC. When was the last time you had a cam model send you an email or a tweet...sending out *good vibes* to you when you had a friend who was in the hospital? Or when you were going out on a date, and it didn't go too well, she sent you a PM during her show, out of the blue, just to say she was "sorry to hear it" and encouraged you to move on? You know...dare I say...a cam model that actually treated you like...gasp...a friend?

Do I pay for the company of these ladies? You bet. I've paid a hefty sum of money. Sometimes to the point that I've had to live off PB&J sandwiches and rammen noodles for a week, because I went overboard on my spending. Nobody to blame on that front, but myself! However, that was my choice and it's my favorite form of entertainment. I think of it as giving a "gift" to a friend. There's that word again! Oh, and I've had a couple of models give me a sincere "thank you", when I only had 20 tokens to give her, because she knew that I was thanking her, for busting her ass...and she knew that I appreciated what she was doing!

Do these ladies put on a show or a "smile" to entertain? Even when they've had a crappy day on camera, or hurt themselves, or have personal issues going on? Of course they do! That's in their job description. Look up the definition of the word "Entertainer." Bartenders and servers...hell, anyone dealing with any kind of profession that involves getting someone to spend money on, or with you, involves a certain form of entertaining. But did you forget that these ladies are human, with feelings, as well?

Oh...wait. *OUCH* Sorry, Matt! I stubbed my toe on my shiny, white knight shield! If anything, ladies like Jolene, Aedan, and a few others have been a white knight to me. And I'm not ashamed to say that. So any chance I can get to stand up for a FRIEND, I'll take it! You wanna take another shot at Jolene or any other model on here? Stick with people like me. I know I can take an emotional punch a hell of a lot better than spineless people like you.

You see...people like you...are the reason that I'll CONTINUE to tip my favorite models! When I have nothing left to tip because I'm broke, but the bills are paid, then I'll continue to cheer on, support, hang out with, and laugh it up with a special group of bartenders, friends, pervs, ditch diggers and *gasp* cam models...whatever title you refer to them as....and I consider it a blessing to do so!

And save yourself the embarrassment and energy trying to mess with the ladies on this site. You'll lose that battle, every time. They aren't poor little weak women, that need a "real man" to defend them. They're doing that for themselves, just fine! Stay in the minor leagues, junior. Because these gals are obviously in a league all to themselves! Man up...nut up...and shut up! At the very least, apologize for acting like a complete asshat!

And if you don't like my two cents on your post, I welcome you to grow a sack and respond to me, in public.

Have a nice day!

 

[KristinKervz]

Matt's "friend" must think celebrities have it so good! I mean, all they do is pose for pictures and stuff, right? I wish I could have a job that "easy"!

- Yes, sarcasm. The only real time a celebrity has off is while they're asleep.

 

[ComicOzzie]

I don't spend my money on internet porn. I spend my money on MFC.

If I call it interactive internet adult entertainment, will it make anyone feel better?
"Internet porn" is not a derogatory title. MFC is internet porn. Many MFC models I've heard call themselves smut peddlers, camwhores, and all sorts of other colorful titles. And, I've seen some models become enraged at the same job titles. Go figure.

Call it anything you like, you're in the porn business on the internet. Explain to me why this word "internet porn" rubs you the wrong way. If you don't consider it "porn" then explain to me what it is.

Adult entertainment? Ok I'll accept that. Odd how when you record it and play it on some other site, it suddenly becomes internet porn.

BTW, I didn't intend to insult any of you with the term. I wasn't aware it would actually insult anyone.

I wasn't trying to be flip. For me, MFC is primarily social entertainment, not watching women put on cum shows.. I visited 7 of my model friends yesterday, and not a one of them did anything more than some sexy dancing while I was visiting. But they all engaged in enjoyable conversation with myself and the other members in their rooms. That's why I personally don't consider MFC to be internet porn. I realize it is exactly that for other members and good for them.

 

[loveyougipsy]

I don't spend my money on internet porn. I spend my money on MFC.

If I call it interactive internet adult entertainment, will it make anyone feel better?
"Internet porn" is not a derogatory title. MFC is internet porn. Many MFC models I've heard call themselves smut peddlers, camwhores, and all sorts of other colorful titles. And, I've seen some models become enraged at the same job titles. Go figure.

Call it anything you like, you're in the porn business on the internet. Explain to me why this word "internet porn" rubs you the wrong way. If you don't consider it "porn" then explain to me what it is.

Adult entertainment? Ok I'll accept that. Odd how when you record it and play it on some other site, it suddenly becomes internet porn.

BTW, I didn't intend to insult any of you with the term. I wasn't aware it would actually insult anyone.

I wasn't trying to be flip. For me, MFC is primarily social entertainment, not watching women put on cum shows.. I visited 7 of my model friends yesterday, and not a one of them did anything more than some sexy dancing while I was visiting. But they all engaged in enjoyable conversation with myself and the other members in their rooms. That's why I personally don't consider MFC to be internet porn. I realize it is exactly that for other members and good for them.

I don't know how old either of you are but I do wonder if part of the porn/not porn is actually a generation thing for the consumers.

When I was at school there was a porn industry, and the primary distribution was porn mags and videos. If you wanted anything hardcore it came from the country across the water where drugs and prostitution were and still are legal. There was a lot of money being made by a small number of companies. The internet didn't exist and the studio's and publishers were in control. Legally the material was classified as pornographic.

Time and technology marches on. Now there are internet sites for images, downloads, streaming, cams, chatting, phone chat, text chat, mms chat, free to air tv, VOD, pay tv. Companies like Ann Summers are in shopping malls and high streets, not just plain packaged mail-order or parties.
My perception in the UK is that during this time the porn industry has been changing it's name to the adult entertainment industry. Why? I don't know. Bad press could be a significant driver. Most mainstream news reports, documentaries didn't say anything good when they used the phrase Porn Industry. The term Porn Industry for most people, which is also shown by reactions here, generates particular images in peoples mind about what classifies something as being part of the Porn Industry.
In the eyes of the law, I expect MFC is a pornographic website and can't see anybody convincing a court of law otherwise.

So why do I think the phrases used are mainly a generation thing?
Technology changes faster than vocabulary.
Communication and Computer Technology changed very rapidly, so the delivery mediums changed, things became interactive, the industry diversified and embraced the technology. For many people outside it is on the internet so it's Internet porn.
They aren't interested in trying to classify all the different things available, how they're different or use different descriptions and it's unlikely you'll get them to change. I don't believe most people are trying to be rude or derogatory, it's just a catch all phrase.
The current generation will use different phrases and internet porn will die out eventually.
The generation after them will complain because the descriptions the current generation use are wrong and on it goes.

 

[Paulie Walnuts]

I'm old (crawling up on 50) and as I view the world, if you are taking your clothes off and performing sexual acts on camera for money, you're in the porn industry.

Simply because you wander around MFC and say hi to all the girls ans they never get naked or fuck themselves for you or while you are there, makes little difference; doing that is how they make the money.

Thus... it's porn.

Don't get me wrong, I like porn, I like MFC, it's a unique form of porn.
But it's still porn.

also, as for when I said it's not worth 1000 bucks a month, keep in mind that it is only my opinion, but 1000 a month spent on porn is a waste of money. However, if you are using it in the same way you'd use the local tavern, shooting pool and buying drinks, tipping barmaids and bartenders, playing poker machines and whatnot... if you have it to burn then it's not a waste if it's making you happy. New century, new entertainment forms.

But for myself, I'd consider 1K a month on bars and tips in real life a waste of good money. It's a personal viewpoint, not a good one or a bad one. My one nephew probably blows 2K a month on clubs and booze and girls. Bless his heart ya only live once go for it kiddo.

I wouldn't spend that kinda cash that way, but I'm an old fart who uses his "disposable cash" in what I consider more constructive ways.

"Porn" is a very broad term. If you're naked and fucking yourself on some sort of media for money.... it's porn. MfC is just a different kind of porn.

Someone half my age probably draws different lines and classifications, it is a different generation. Stuff that people don't even notice today I remember as a young man would have been scandalous filth to see on TV or a movie.

I'm so fucking happy I aint so old that I can't wallow in and enjoy the 21st century and all it's delicious filth nobody now blinks an eye at.
:lol:

 

[Evvie]

 

[IsabellaSnow]

It is your opinion that it's a waste of money, it's also your opinion that somehow if you're wanking off every day and paying for the porn you watch, it's a waste of money/terrible habit. Um..... there are loads of guys I see on mfcs every day, I reckon a load of them wank off every day there and many of them don't use it for social interaction, yet those men never/rarely pay, "habit's" still there though. What you think is a constructive way to spend money may not seem constructive to anyone else.

Wanking/having sex a lot is nothing like being a heroin addict, the only similarities would be if you were an addict. Sex and masturbation releases endorphins and several other natural drugs in your brain that make you happy, if you have the money to take 20 mins out of your day to take a girl in private, have an amazing wank where it feels much closer to real sex than it would be with normal porn, then you go about your day and do other things still with that natural happy high, or maybe you have a stressful job and that's your way to kick back! People like doing different things with their money, now yes you'd have a problem if you have a family and kids and your spending is running them/yourself into the ground.

Spending large amount of money on luxuries only bothers me if you can't actually afford it, like a few friends I have who always go on about being skint so it means I have to pay up for them, when they're only poor because they spend lots on shopping. And then I'm poor because I've paid for them and don't even get to do the shopping!

I also don't understand why people keep throwing out posts about their opinions in this thread that really shouldn't and don't need to be said.

"I don't spend money anymore because I can get it for free!" -Go steal from your local independent store because they have lax security why don't you?

"Spending large amounts of money on a camgirl is a waste" - Yeah thank you

Sometimes, please keep your opinions to yourself, we got it the first time, quit repeating it!

 

[schlmoe]

It is your opinion that it's a waste of money, it's also your opinion that somehow if you're wanking off every day and paying for the porn you watch, it's a waste of money/terrible habit. Um..... there are loads of guys I see on mfcs every day, I reckon a load of them wank off every day there and many of them don't use it for social interaction, yet those men never/rarely pay, "habit's" still there though. What you think is a constructive way to spend money may not seem constructive to anyone else.

Wanking/having sex a lot is nothing like being a heroin addict, the only similarities would be if you were an addict. Sex and masturbation releases endorphins and several other natural drugs in your brain that make you happy, if you have the money to take 20 mins out of your day to take a girl in private, have an amazing wank where it feels much closer to real sex than it would be with normal porn, then you go about your day and do other things still with that natural happy high, or maybe you have a stressful job and that's your way to kick back! People like doing different things with their money, now yes you'd have a problem if you have a family and kids and your spending is running them/yourself into the ground.

Spending large amount of money on luxuries only bothers me if you can't actually afford it, like a few friends I have who always go on about being skint so it means I have to pay up for them, when they're only poor because they spend lots on shopping. And then I'm poor because I've paid for them and don't even get to do the shopping!

I also don't understand why people keep throwing out posts about their opinions in this thread that really shouldn't and don't need to be said.

"I don't spend money anymore because I can get it for free!" -Go steal from your local independent store because they have lax security why don't you?

"Spending large amounts of money on a camgirl is a waste" - Yeah thank you

Sometimes, please keep your opinions to yourself, we got it the first time, quit repeating it!

I don't think they are repeating it, they are somehow trying to "fix" it because they "misspoke" or feel they were "misunderstood".

When reading some of these "explanations", all I hear is...

 

[legmanct]

I think this thread proves one thing...

Have a great weekend everyone!

 

[RogueWarrior]

Hello all. Been a while since I've visited the forums. Glad to see everyone has been getting along swimmingly in the interim.

In my first post back, I'd like to explain how and why I'm a douche. Also, how it's all the models' faults that I am a douche. Feel free to discuss.

Maybe later, I'll tangentially stir up a shitstorm.

That is all. Carry on.

 

[Paulie Walnuts]

"Spending large amounts of money on a camgirl is a waste"

Did I say that?
No.
Re-read what I said.

 

[schlmoe]

"Spending large amounts of money on a camgirl is a waste"

Did I say that?
No.
Re-read what I said.

Discretionary spending is all relative on who is doing the spending. I spent around $3000 last year on gardening, landscaping and related items over a 3-4 month period (short growing season up north). Except for this year, (road warrior right now) I've spent a similar amount for the last few years. That's about $1000 a month. Maybe some people would think that silly or wasteful. Maybe you would. Some of my family does, lol.

If you quantify in tangible terms what I got out of it, maybe I am crazy. It's probably crazy to spend $10/lb. for some tomatoes and peppers (since you can't eat flowers). I really doubt that the gardening and (simple) landscaping increased my property value all that much, so after a few weeks of good eating, I'm left with a bunch of dead plants. Pretty wasteful, some might say. On the surface, it could be. But those who might say that don't know what I really got out of it, and I'm the only one that can answer that...AND I'm the only one I have to answer TO. Once, someone asked me why I went to all that trouble. I said, "well, it keeps me off the streets". And in addition to all the enjoyment and satisfaction I get, it does keep me off the streets.

So moving on... Why do I spend time on MFC and why do I tip? It's been said already, some of it by you. Partly for a wank (internet porn), and partly social (hanging out in a bar). And in addition to enjoyment and satisfaction, it keeps me off the streets, lol.

While you did not exactly say "Spending large amounts of money on a camgirl is a waste", it is very easy for people to get the impression that you do feel that way.

I'm old (crawling up on 50) and as I view the world, if you are taking your clothes off and performing sexual acts on camera for money, you're in the porn industry.

Simply because you wander around MFC and say hi to all the girls ans they never get naked or fuck themselves for you or while you are there, makes little difference; doing that is how they make the money.

Thus... it's porn.

Don't get me wrong, I like porn, I like MFC, it's a unique form of porn.
But it's still porn.

also, as for when I said it's not worth 1000 bucks a month, keep in mind that it is only my opinion, but 1000 a month spent on porn is a waste of money. However, if you are using it in the same way you'd use the local tavern, shooting pool and buying drinks, tipping barmaids and bartenders, playing poker machines and whatnot... if you have it to burn then it's not a waste if it's making you happy. New century, new entertainment forms.

But for myself, I'd consider 1K a month on bars and tips in real life a waste of good money. It's a personal viewpoint, not a good **one or a bad one.

Since your first post in this thread, your "$1000 a month for porn/internet porn is a waste" comment, you got less than positive feedback. Going forward, it seems to me that you put it in reverse, then went forward, and back and forth over and over. Hey man, free speech and all, you have the right to give your opinion...and you made it very clear that it was your opinion. But you also made it very clear to me and others that you think the dudes spending a lot of money to support the site and the models are wasting their money. You had to know that there might be one or two models that would take exception to that. But on the other hand, several models thanked your subsequent posts...so maybe you're right.