Why I no longer tip - one member's experience

[Paulie Walnuts]

The OP is wasting his money.
He gets no flavor and no joy from what he buys. he says clearly he is not there for any other reason than to amass a spank bank. Then he says he stopped buying tokens because.... he discovered what he was paying for was actually free.

So he wasted his money, in his own opinion. In my opinion, he wasted his money, all he was after was a particular sexual act or 3 that got him off, and he had no intention of socializing, getting to know anyone, or getting any flavor at all out of his 1K a month but an orgasm.

He wasted his money. he could have gotten what he wanted for free on most any cam site or tube site. His entire post was in short "I wasted my money on free milk".

If you get some pleasure out of spending money on something, be it MFC or gardening, go for it. If all you're after is porn, then yeah, 1K a month on cam girls or anything else, is a waste. You're not after any sort of complex social interaction to savor what your money bought, just a quick means to an end.

No different than blowing your money on a heroin high, then discovering you can get the heroin for free somewhere. The OP wasted his money.

However...for anyone who gets the same lasting satisfaction you get out of gardening by spending 1K a month on a very unique form of internet porn, great. You get your money's worth, the girls make money, everyone ends up savoring the flavor of that cash's value for a long time. They appreciate what it bought.

I would not spend 1K a month on MFC. I consider it an excessive amount, I can get all the flavor and appreciation of what the tokens buy with a lot less and less often. Some I suppose are more sexually needy or socially needy in that respect, and buy more. if you can afford it, good for you. Savor the fruit of your work and buy tokens. Lots of them.

But if all you're after is enough stimulation to get off then leave, you're wasting your money because what you want is free, and what you're buying you're not even beginning to enjoy before you walk away from it.

I just had an old horse die on me. (Actually I put him down because his knee ligaments started to break and he was in pain.) I've had that old thing for 36 years. As he got older he got expensive, his teeth fell out, he had health issues, he needed special food 3 times a day and other extra care. I probably blew $500 a month keeping that bag of bones alive, because he was perfectly healthy and happy. Also, he brought me a lot of comfort over the yrs. I got much more than $500 bucks a month in satisfaction out of my money. Everyone told me "jesus, just put him down your nuts to spend all that money".
Maybe. It's mine to spend, I got what I thought was my money's worth.
Now if all I wanted over the yrs was a good sound riding horse, no doubt like most people I'd have bought and sold a dozen good horses and got just that. A good ride and little or no personal interaction with any of them. Cheaper, free.... but kind of devoid of any flavor.

I dunno if you're getting any of what I mean. After all this effort I'm starting not to care.

It doesn't matter what you buy, if you aren't getting any lasting flavor out of what you pay good money for, you waste your money. The OP wasted his money, he wanted a quick high and no flavor, which is free, he just never realized it. When he did, he says blame the models who do public shows for the shortage of tippers, not the freeloaders.

The freeloaders aren't after flavor either. They chase short lived highs like the OP, they just knew long before he did how to get it for free.

So yeah, I did say spending money on MFC is a waste, but you have to take the entirety of this thread and the OP's post in context to what I said, or it sounds like I'm an asshole too.

If you got it, spend it, but enjoy what you spend and what you spend it on. Then you got your money's worth.

The OP just discovered free milk and is butthurt he wasted his money on the same milk the day before he found it.
:lol:

Which free or paid for, I doubt he enjoyed it either way.

 

[Anonymous]

Hello all. Been a while since I've visited the forums. Glad to see everyone has been getting along swimmingly in the interim.

In my first post back, I'd like to explain how and why I'm a douche. Also, how it's all the models' faults that I am a douche. Feel free to discuss.

Maybe later, I'll tangentially stir up a shitstorm.

That is all. Carry on.

I like you. :hello2:

 

[bob]

You had to know that there might be one or two models that would take exception to that. But on the other hand, several models thanked your subsequent posts...so maybe you're right.

that's the primary reason i like the "thank you" feature here.....they're kinda like tokens....i can shake my little verbal booty, and those who appreciate it can tip me....
also, you're never quite sure who that might be.....or if anybody's even gonna care.....so you end up posting because you enjoy it, and not so concerned who thanks you for what.....


ok....i did say the thank you feature is KINDA like tokens :lol:

 

[AmberCutie]

I dunno if you're getting any of what I mean. After all this effort I'm starting not to care.

It doesn't matter what you buy, if you aren't getting any lasting flavor out of what you pay good money for, you waste your money. The OP wasted his money, he wanted a quick high and no flavor, which is free, he just never realized it. When he did, he says blame the models who do public shows for the shortage of tippers, not the freeloaders.

The freeloaders aren't after flavor either. They chase short lived highs like the OP, they just knew long before he did how to get it for free.

So yeah, I did say spending money on MFC is a waste, but you have to take the entirety of this thread and the OP's post in context to what I said, or it sounds like I'm an asshole too.

If you got it, spend it, but enjoy what you spend and what you spend it on. Then you got your money's worth.

The OP just discovered free milk and is butthurt he wasted his money on the same milk the day before he found it.
:lol:

Which free or paid for, I doubt he enjoyed it either way.

After your very first clarification, I got it. And I agree with you. I think the girls/members who are still arguing don't really understand the differences you noted, or just like to argue. :mrgreen: A lot of people around here just like to argue. It is a forum after all. That's what it's for, right?

Thank you for all your clarification, Mr. Walnuts.

 

[mynameisbob84]

A lot of people around here just like to argue. It is a forum after all. That's what it's for, right?

Pfffft..... no. Like, not even. Nuh-uh :?

 

[IsabellaSnow]

The OP is wasting his money.
He gets no flavor and no joy from what he buys. he says clearly he is not there for any other reason than to amass a spank bank. Then he says he stopped buying tokens because.... he discovered what he was paying for was actually free.

So he wasted his money, in his own opinion. In my opinion, he wasted his money, all he was after was a particular sexual act or 3 that got him off, and he had no intention of socializing, getting to know anyone, or getting any flavor at all out of his 1K a month but an orgasm.

He wasted his money. he could have gotten what he wanted for free on most any cam site or tube site. His entire post was in short "I wasted my money on free milk".

If you get some pleasure out of spending money on something, be it MFC or gardening, go for it. If all you're after is porn, then yeah, 1K a month on cam girls or anything else, is a waste. You're not after any sort of complex social interaction to savor what your money bought, just a quick means to an end.

No different than blowing your money on a heroin high, then discovering you can get the heroin for free somewhere. The OP wasted his money.

However...for anyone who gets the same lasting satisfaction you get out of gardening by spending 1K a month on a very unique form of internet porn, great. You get your money's worth, the girls make money, everyone ends up savoring the flavor of that cash's value for a long time. They appreciate what it bought.

I would not spend 1K a month on MFC. I consider it an excessive amount, I can get all the flavor and appreciation of what the tokens buy with a lot less and less often. Some I suppose are more sexually needy or socially needy in that respect, and buy more. if you can afford it, good for you. Savor the fruit of your work and buy tokens. Lots of them.

But if all you're after is enough stimulation to get off then leave, you're wasting your money because what you want is free, and what you're buying you're not even beginning to enjoy before you walk away from it.

I just had an old horse die on me. (Actually I put him down because his knee ligaments started to break and he was in pain.) I've had that old thing for 36 years. As he got older he got expensive, his teeth fell out, he had health issues, he needed special food 3 times a day and other extra care. I probably blew $500 a month keeping that bag of bones alive, because he was perfectly healthy and happy. Also, he brought me a lot of comfort over the yrs. I got much more than $500 bucks a month in satisfaction out of my money. Everyone told me "jesus, just put him down your nuts to spend all that money".
Maybe. It's mine to spend, I got what I thought was my money's worth.
Now if all I wanted over the yrs was a good sound riding horse, no doubt like most people I'd have bought and sold a dozen good horses and got just that. A good ride and little or no personal interaction with any of them. Cheaper, free.... but kind of devoid of any flavor.

I dunno if you're getting any of what I mean. After all this effort I'm starting not to care.

It doesn't matter what you buy, if you aren't getting any lasting flavor out of what you pay good money for, you waste your money. The OP wasted his money, he wanted a quick high and no flavor, which is free, he just never realized it. When he did, he says blame the models who do public shows for the shortage of tippers, not the freeloaders.

The freeloaders aren't after flavor either. They chase short lived highs like the OP, they just knew long before he did how to get it for free.

So yeah, I did say spending money on MFC is a waste, but you have to take the entirety of this thread and the OP's post in context to what I said, or it sounds like I'm an asshole too.

If you got it, spend it, but enjoy what you spend and what you spend it on. Then you got your money's worth.

The OP just discovered free milk and is butthurt he wasted his money on the same milk the day before he found it.
:lol:

Which free or paid for, I doubt he enjoyed it either way.

Ok, now I get more of what you're saying. I still think there's a big difference between the sexuality of having a private one on one show, or even tipping for public/taking in group and watching a girl for free in public show. Paying for a better quality wank pretty much . Personally I don't get how someone could use mfcs for that long and take girl in privates when they'd be just as happy with a public show, and not realise that there are public shows. Makes me think there's a lot more to it than that.

And I'm really sorry about your horse, am glad you kept him on until it was his time, people kill off horses too easily because they don't want to/can't pay the large vets bills. I hope that one day I can do the same for mine .

 

[Evvie]

 

[Paulie Walnuts]

I still think there's a big difference between the sexuality of having a private one on one show, or even tipping for public/taking in group and watching a girl for free in public show.

I dunno... I've seen a lot of public shows and the variety leaves little room for any variation of imagination.

For free. So the OP might have a valid point in a small way. If you freeload in the right rooms, you can get your social needs and your sexual needs met 24/7 and never pay a dime. If you can live with the idea that you are a freeloader.

You ladies see me rarely on MFC anymore, when you do I'm just killing time flipping through rooms or just stopping in to wave hi to models I know already. Partly because the economy is in the toilet for all of us and partly because I have little time to hang around for any length of time. I'm fairly uncomfortable sitting in a room for long without tipping at some point for... anything.

And I'll admit it, the horse bankrupted me. :lol: But so did my SO lady for years before she died so.... money well spent. Hopefully in the future I'll be able to sit around longer and tip more often.

I suffer from freeloader guilt, so I try not to suck up the atmosphere in a room and just leave. I'm pathetic.
:lol:

Thanks for the sentiment on the horse. He was like a big puppy.... that killed me to put him to sleep but he couldn't walk very well, it was just time. :icon-cry:

Ive been in the horse industry on and off all my life, and people throw horses away all the time, and to put it in the topic's theme, if you look not very hard, free horses are easy to find. Good ones too. And a lot of people do that, they pick up free horses, train them, ride them until they get bored and sell or auction them off, or all to often, they abandon them with people who have no business owning a horse. I've seen people kill horses to get rid of them, or sell them for a few bucks to the slaughterhouse. it usually has nothing to do with the soundness of the horse or its temper, they just get bored or they don't want to spend an extra few bucks to nurse a small injury back to soundness.

I worked on a racetrack for a few yrs... jesus fucking christ those people have no souls.

I think MFC people are like that, some people pay through the nose to keep a good thing going, and others pick up freebies and suck them dry and move on to find another one.

 

[mynameisbob84]

[I suffer from freeloader guilt, so I try not to suck up the atmosphere in a room and just leave. I'm pathetic.
:lol:

I feel your pain, sir. I've barely been on MFC this past month for the simple reason that I've been skint. Even when models have been good enough to let me know they don't mind me hanging out in their room while I don't have tokens, after a while I start to feel guilty. It's a curse

 

[IsabellaSnow]

Thanks for the sentiment on the horse. He was like a big puppy.... that killed me to put him to sleep but he couldn't walk very well, it was just time. :icon-cry:

Ive been in the horse industry on and off all my life, and people throw horses away all the time, and to put it in the topic's theme, if you look not very hard, free horses are easy to find. Good ones too. And a lot of people do that, they pick up free horses, train them, ride them until they get bored and sell or auction them off, or all to often, they abandon them with people who have no business owning a horse. I've seen people kill horses to get rid of them, or sell them for a few bucks to the slaughterhouse. it usually has nothing to do with the soundness of the horse or its temper, they just get bored or they don't want to spend an extra few bucks to nurse a small injury back to soundness.

I worked on a racetrack for a few yrs... jesus fucking christ those people have no souls.

I think MFC people are like that, some people pay through the nose to keep a good thing going, and others pick up freebies and suck them dry and move on to find another one.

Ugh, racing really is horrible. My horse was an ex racehorse, I was told the guy who owned mine before his previous owners had wanted to put him down simply because he didn't win a race. To do the whole picking up horses for cheap is often about luck more than anything, and you need to be a very good rider and persistent to bring the horse up to what it's value should be. You never know if it's just going to be a headcase though.
My best friend bought a 3 year old mare, beautiful, lovely temperament/movements, then about a year ago the horse started having problems. She's been practically on box rest for an entire year, two operations, one having to take her lock joints out. She was insured, but my friend has still had to bankrupt herself looking after her, and the amount of time she's had to spend with her every day. Finally she's on the mend but she'll never be the same, a lot of people would have given up, not thought the time and money is worth it, I'm extremely glad my friend isn't that person!
It's like if you read/watch Black beauty, the whole story was written because the author was so disgusted with how people used to treat animals, and writing it had a massive impact on people's eyes being opened to animal cruelty.

Sorry have gone off topic, so back to all the arguing!

 

[Zoomer]

People are still whining about freeloaders? Its the site, its the way it works, don't work there if you dislike it.

Otherwise - as Crazysysy's profile used to say - "shake that ass make you spend that cash" - which is effectively what a models job is - and she does it very well.

If you don't think you are getting your deserved rewards for your work then there are two options.
1) Everyone is cheap...
2) Your personal evaluation of yourself is not in line with the evaluation of the members. There is a more inflammatory but brutally honest way of phrasing this, but I'll not say it

Guessing the moan about Freeloaders is under number 1. But it is your job to try and tease cash out of them...

Anyway, fun reading as always

 

[UncleThursday]

People are still whining about freeloaders? Its the site, its the way it works, don't work there if you dislike it.

Otherwise - as Crazysysy's profile used to say - "shake that ass make you spend that cash" - which is effectively what a models job is - and she does it very well.

Just a note, Mary probably has more freeloaders than most models on the site. Her room easily jumps into the 1k+ viewers when she gets naked (the lounge 20 links her non-stop when she is naked). However, she also gets a lot of tippers, so she probably isn't too phased by it. Some of her tippers are whales, too, so that obviously helps her.

Also, Mary doesn't do full on cum shows in public.... well, at least not often or anymore. I hear she used to do them more before I joined the site; but it is a rare occurrence for her to go all the way in public anymore. She saves that for groups and privates. And she doesn't do either all the time. She's easily in public for 95% of her time online.

 

[Zoomer]

Kinda what I was saying. Tokens are still being spent - probably more so than ever before; some want more of the share of those tokens. They blame freeloaders for their lack.
However, the site is a success due to the exact thing everyone complains about. The site works simply through some spending, and some not.

Would it work if everyone had to immediately sign up with a credit card to even see the rooms? I seriously doubt it. Would it work if everyone had to spend cash before they even see a girl naked? I seriously doubt it.

It is all marketing and economics. It works because you can see stuff for free - which means you come back to see more. Some will always come back and not spend. Others will eventually buy. But if you first turned up and had to dig out that card instantly, how many members would have joined? I imagine a very small number compared to the current numbers. So freeloaders are necessary.

I said a long time ago - I bought tokens because of Mary. I saw a video on the internet and said "who is this?!". Someone pointed me in the right direction. A month of perving, I thought she was nice, cheery, happy, fun and exceptionally cute. I was motivated to purchase tokens and tipped them all with a little note about my conversion :mrgreen: :lol:

From there, after a few months I had lost inhibitions about spending the odd $50 on the internet site - MFC's model worked a treat. Why? Because I don't do LJ, nor CAMS or other sites because they, comparatively, suck. They're nothing like the fun of MFC. I moved from Mary - as whilst her room was fun - there wasn't really any conversation. Now I basically visit 2 models and that's it. I guess I am a freeloader to all girls here. Why? Because while I tip these two generously, I don't tip other models. Occasionally I look around, but I don't think I have sat through shows. But I do look. Sometimes they're topless, sometimes they're naked. I don't tip - I save my tokens for my 2 favourites. I don't fap either. I just have a 5 minute ogle and see what they're like. I have tipped one or two, but it's generally a small amount and just to say something nice in the tip note - but it is rare. I don't go back for another month
Given what I read here, I'd be lumped into those hideously evil freeloaders because I don't choose to spend my tokens on you. I'm comfortable with that. I use the site as it was built. I view, pick and choose where to spend my money. But just because you're naked does not mean I should throw my tokens around. It is my choice where I spend it.

So I may not strictly speaking be the instantly viewed freeloader on description (as I do actually tip and buy tokens), but on appearance in your room I would be - because you are most likely not going to see any. Damn freeloader!

So the business model works. It may not work for you - but that may be because you have a different opinion about yourself/shows to that which the members have about you! There is a lot of competition out there, and looks/personality sell. Blaming freeloaders is pointless and laughable.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

Zoomer I think your post is interesting for a few different reasons.

One is that I understand where you're coming from saying the site wouldn't work if it were credit card up front etc. Well it would work, it just wouldn't be the same site. The reason the site is so awesome is because it's so laid back!

I actually don't mind if someone saves their tokens for their favourite models. It would be hypocritical for me to get annoyed about it as I'd like my regulars to spend all their tokens on me! lol

What does really piss me off is when someone sits in my room for hours, I can see they have tokens, and they don't chip in at all. Sometimes they even have conversations with me etc, see I'm trying to move the countdown on, and they just sit their with their bag of cash not tipping. In that case, so what you have a favourite model? if you spend a lot of time in someones room, have your tokens showing, whether you feel you prefer another girl, it's extremely unfair not to tip the girl you're watching. Doesn't have to be loads, but a bit of appreciation. I actually think members should hide their tokens if they intend on freeloading. It's kind of insulting to a model if you sit in her room for an hour+ with loads of tokens, go away for 15 minutes and come back with all your tokens gone.

A semi regular did something similar to me, kept going on and on about how he might be able to afford tokens for one of my videos, he finally bought 900 tokens, then my video for 200 tokens, but then he went away briefly and came back and all his tokens were gone. As he's someone who regularly comes into my room, messages me a fair amount about coming online etc and he knew I was having a bad night, he lost a LOT of favour with me. I did actually ask him, apparently he'd gone into a random models room, bought her videos, which she apparently hadn't produced. It's when someone bums up to you a lot, try getting your attention etc, then when they can they give back to a random. That's the worst kind of freeloading I think.

Yes you can spend your tokens where you like, your money is your money. But it's like going shopping for a bed, showing you have money to spend, going around the store for an hour, lying on a load of different beds to try them out, talking to a few sales assistants, with absolutely no intention of buying, because actually you're just waiting for the bed shop next to it to open, which when it does, you leave that store and go straight in the other one and buy a bed immediately. Yes you can do this, but it's extremely frowned upon! And you might get kicked out! At least buy some pillow cases or something!

 

[HarmlessSquirrel]

Here is something I've wanted to say but wasn't quite sure where to put it. The stated topic makes me a bit hesitant to put it here, but it does relate closely to what Zoomer was saying, so here goes:

First off, I do understand that models needs tips -- it's how they get paid for their work. Also, I do tip and actually find it quite enjoyable to do so when it's to someone I like and appreciate. The things I think are sometimes off are expectations and attitudes towards people in the room. As Zoomer said (and everyone knows), MFC actively markets itself as free and continually messages that you can purchase tokens once and be a premium member for life. With that kind of message out there, can you really blame people for doing as they're told they can do? A lot of the traffic MFC gets is because this is allowed. Obviously, the members you want to attract are those that see extra value in interaction and are willing to tip for it, but there will always be a ton of guests, basics, and one-purchase premiums. The site is just designed that way.

The term "freeloaders" bothers me even though I don't consider myself part of that group. One, it conveys a sense of hostility, which detracts from the atmosphere in a room. Two, it says to me that people don't understand what the site is. I can understand not tolerating a non-tipper who gets in your face with lots of annoying questions/demands or disrupts the room in a negative way. Personally, I would likely always mute guests and basics and be ready to ban or ignore jerks like the aforementioned. On the other hand, I think calling out or complaining about people who are just watching quietly makes the model look bad and makes me feel uncomfortable even if I have already tipped. I have no doubt that seeing a big room count and having few tippers is frustrating, but I really think the best policy is to try not to show the frustration and try to keep the room's mood good. If necessary, or if it's your preference, groups and privates (or taking a break) seem to me to be the ways to go if you just can't deal with a roomful of non-tippers.

One thing I think would be a nice feature would be if MFC showed a separate room count of premiums only. Several times I've heard models or members say something like, "There are X people in the room, if everyone tipped Y tokens, we'd be done with the countdown." The problem is, the lion's share of X is basics and guests. I read in another topic someone saying that they could buy tokens and tip too, so they count. While this is technically true, let's face it, almost none of them will. If one person goes premium for a model in a shift, that's a good showing. Even among the premiums, you know a bunch of them are going to be "0/20's." What I'm getting at here is that your expectations should probably be based on the number of people in your room who do tip. If you keep the atmosphere fun and upbeat, hopefully you'll entice people who stop to check you out to come back and maybe be regulars, and perhaps you convert a few newbies to your cause too.

Anyway, I don't mean to sound like I'm trying to tell models how to do their job. I'm well aware there's more to it than I know and that it isn't easy. This is just a couple of ideas and a bit of a picture of what one particular person who does tip sees and reacts to. In general, if the first thing I hear when I enter a new room is about freeloaders or a hard-sell for tokens, I'm gone. If the model is likable and low-key about that stuff, I'll probably tip and come back again. I am happy to tip -- I just want to have a good time and not feel like I'm being pushed.

 

[bob]

Here is something I've wanted to say but wasn't quite sure where to put it.....I am happy to tip -- I just want to have a good time and not feel like I'm being pushed.

completely understandable...the thing i'm reminded of in this thread is just how subjective all our perceptions are...which is kind of a big of course, but seems worth mentioning because there are smaller rooms with less popular models where the definition of "freeloaders" is completely accurate and completely negative....it doesn't matter if they are guys with multiple windows open, or guys suffering from the sense of entitlement that MFC creates through it's ads, or even simply socially awkward guys who are uncomfortable with the interactive nature of the site....there is literally nothing that a hard working model can do sometimes to get these guys to even acknowledge that they're in the room....or that she is.

her frustration can sometimes become almost tangible in the room, and if you come into it, you may well feel like you're being pushed....just because she's trying to get somebody (anybody) to wake up....

should she take a break?....maybe....and some do
should she start banning guys?....maybe....and some do
but some don't

and as zoomer points out....most of us are "freeloaders" at one time or another....some of us a little bit everyday, i'm sure :lol:
and if we wander into a room where freeloading has been the premie MO for a while, it can be pretty uncomfortable...i've sure felt that way before :violin:

it's one of the reasons i like the preview snapshot....it provides a sense of the tone in the room, and the model's mood

 

[JoleneBrody]

While I do disagree with some of Squirrels points, mostly that about guests/basics not counting and a seperate room count for prems only, overall he makes great points and I really needed to hear them, so thanks.

Last month was VERY hard on me, as it was for most models. After not taking any days off and having NO ONE respond as to whether my cam was working (which it was) for a whole 5 minutes before a regular cam in I was VERY testy this one day. I went above and beyond, to complete my countdown and not give up as I had been forced to do many times last month and when 300+ people who filled my room after the countdown for ice rubbing did not tip a single token, literally not 1 single new person tipped, I ranted. Probably the nicest rant in the history of MFC about restoring my faith in perv kind, proving that 99% of members are not in fact all freeloading bums, blah blah. I logged off doing my full shift with not even half of my minimum goal and feeling not only disrespected but embarrassed.
I don't want to try and drag tokens out of people, it feels awful! Any time I feel pushed to the point of saying something I get this knot in the pit of my stomach.

I'm much happier just being happy. Being pushy not only feels HORRIBLE but accomplishes nothing. It feels good to stick up for my guys and let them know that I don't appreciate the expectations people put on them to carry their weight either, but I should always keep that off cam. If it's bad enough to make me rant just logging off in the end will make me the same amounts of tokens and hopefully leave me feeling a bit better about myself, so I can come back with a smile.

Sorry for the 10,000 words but I just needed to type them somewhere so that when I find my buttons getting pushed I can remember what I wrote here and save myself and others grief.

 

[BobbyB]

For me my tipping is a bit about priorities...

I have a limited amount of money I can spent on tokens each month and I have roughly 10 girls as friends, so I see if they are online or not.
90% of the time I spent with 1 girl and I am happy to give her the lion share of my tokens, and a smaller part to my other friends if they are online and on the rare occasion when I stumble in a new room and I am really impressed I would tip a new girl and maybe add this new girl to my friend list.

To avoid tense situations I normally visit other rooms as a guest, from what I hear here is the big problem when girls see you have tokens but you don't spent them on them, I guess better to just show as a guest and problem is solved...

 

[IsabellaSnow]

JJ I have definitely been there! Sometimes it just gets to that point! especially when so many are watching you! Personally I don't understand how you could actually watch a girl pretty much in the state that no one is talking whatsoever, and she's practically pleading you to say something. A quick chat doesn't take that long, and jesus, you're only typing!

I also think that sometimes guys have favourite models who aren't online as much as other girls, so they spend lots of time, in fact, more time in certain girls rooms, never tipping so that they can offline tip their 'favourite' which isn't at all fair. Spending money in one store doesn't mean you have to right to nick freebies from another.

I absolutely hate having to be pushy too. Sometimes it's so difficult though, because there are some who will wait for you to offer your videos etc, or ask if they want a private, and well, apparently it hadn't occurred to them and yes! they do want this/that. But then I'll ask another person and it'll seem like I'm trying to push/corner him, which is not my intention. Members are so different, some like being asked/offered, some really hate it.

I had one of my more recent regulars who was tipping the other day, and so were two other guys who were bringing in the majority of the tokens, there were about 100 in the room, and this guy kept getting really annoyed about how many people were freeloading. I was just like, mate, chill out, it sucks yes, but ignore them, act like they're not there. I can really emphasise with members who are tipping the bulk of the countdown and feel like they're paying for a free show for 100+ others, but what you need to think about it the contribution to the model and what you get.
I don't get that bothered by idiots at the moment, I get a few a night, a lot of the time I enjoy acting very excited at their bb requests and making a scene of delight! and then after they leave/I ban them we all have a brief bitch/laugh, or just move on with it. I don't really feel that my members should let themselves get that upset about it, but they see the numbers and it gets to some. I know a few prems who were tipping me loads, and then stopped because they got so fed up with freeloading (personally I think, hate freeloading? take the girl in private or tip offline!).
There are guys who'll see someone else tipping 3000 tokens worth in a night and assume he's loaded, I hate that, the assumption "oh he's tipping, he's obviously richer than me!" Well actually chances are he ain't!

 

[bob]

JJ I have definitely been there! Sometimes it just gets to that point! especially when so many are watching you! Personally I don't understand how you could actually watch a girl pretty much in the state that no one is talking whatsoever, and she's practically pleading you to say something. A quick chat doesn't take that long, and jesus, you're only typing!

I also think that sometimes guys have favourite models who aren't online as much as other girls, so they spend lots of time, in fact, more time in certain girls rooms, never tipping so that they can offline tip their 'favourite' which isn't at all fair. Spending money in one store doesn't mean you have to right to nick freebies from another.

I absolutely hate having to be pushy too. Sometimes it's so difficult though, because there are some who will wait for you to offer your videos etc, or ask if they want a private, and well, apparently it hadn't occurred to them and yes! they do want this/that. But then I'll ask another person and it'll seem like I'm trying to push/corner him, which is not my intention. Members are so different, some like being asked/offered, some really hate it.

I had one of my more recent regulars who was tipping the other day, and so were two other guys who were bringing in the majority of the tokens, there were about 100 in the room, and this guy kept getting really annoyed about how many people were freeloading. I was just like, mate, chill out, it sucks yes, but ignore them, act like they're not there. I can really emphasise with members who are tipping the bulk of the countdown and feel like they're paying for a free show for 100+ others, but what you need to think about it the contribution to the model and what you get.
I don't get that bothered by idiots at the moment, I get a few a night, a lot of the time I enjoy acting very excited at their bb requests and making a scene of delight! and then after they leave/I ban them we all have a brief bitch/laugh, or just move on with it. I don't really feel that my members should let themselves get that upset about it, but they see the numbers and it gets to some. I know a few prems who were tipping me loads, and then stopped because they got so fed up with freeloading (personally I think, hate freeloading? take the girl in private or tip offline!).
There are guys who'll see someone else tipping 3000 tokens worth in a night and assume he's loaded, I hate that, the assumption "oh he's tipping, he's obviously richer than me!" Well actually chances are he ain't!

this is off topic, but your post made me think of it....so -forgive me- but i'm just gonna vent for a sec

one of the things that really gets under my skin are premies who aren't tipping, but act like they are the ones who are and continually hammer on the non tippers (sometimes even nicely).....it usually happens in rooms where english isn't the models first language, or even a good one, and it eventually kills any conversation, or creates a pissing match.

my white stallion snorts when this happens, and i am SOOOO tempted just to turn it loose in the room and let it stomp all over those guys :whistle:

ok...back to the topic

 

[victor0021]

To the people saying "it's ok to freeload that's what MFC is advertised as." You are correct it is but it's also ok for the models and good tippers to look at freeloaders as second class citizens on MFC. It's kind of what MFC wants actually I think. They want the freeloaders to feel pressured to tip from the others, potentially creating more tippers. We all as members have our favorite models and can probably get away with not always tipping in those rooms because we built up a reputation that the model knows we are good for tips when our finances permit, but in rooms we aren't known we rejoin the ranks of freeloaders if we don't tip. It's part of the MFC community within each room.

Also models sometimes ranting on the people not tipping has never bothered me, hopefully it's not a nightly thing but an occasional rant is fine. Again it builds up the sense on community. Members tip to help the model out and make her feel good not always just to work towards the countdown. When a model occasionally stands up for her guys, it makes them feel appreciated for what they do, and makes them dislike the freeloaders more seeing they are bringing her down. People are allowed to have bad nights, models too. Most of the good tippers I know understand this.

Freeloaders will always exist on the site but also should be looked down on by the other members and models of the community in my opinion. I'm not saying called out every night in the room or banned for not tipping, but they just should not ever be treated as equals to the people that do tip.

 

[lexmark402003]

Sometime last year, I saw something that really impressed me. A popular Colombian model was getting ready to do a public show...only her rule was, NO non tippers allowed. She had well over 50 premiums in her room after her announcement and she then started banning non-tippers. It was amazing, as quickly as she'd pare the room down to 10 or 12 premiums, shitloads of new premiums would storm in, and after being informed, and given time to tip, were also banned. lol She did this five or six times before she was satisfied that she had the group she wanted. She did a magnificent show and everyone tipped.

* yeah, I know this wouldn't work for every model, but still, I was impressed that it worked for her.

How is this possible?

If she was so popular that she had 50+ premiums (plus dozens of others pouring in) in the room, then she would have also have had somewhere excess of 1,000 guests and basics in the room.

How did she get rid of them? Do the models have the ability to mass ban all guests and basics?

Do they have some way to keep new guests from coming into the room?

If not, it seems to me any "banned" premium with an IQ over 80 would have just come back 2 seconds later as a guest if he really wanted to see the show?

 

[lexmark402003]

Freeloaders will always exist on the site but also should be looked down on by the other members and models of the community in my opinion. I'm not saying called out every night in the room or banned for not tipping, but they just should not ever be treated as equals to the people that do tip.

First off, I think the idea that it's somehow evil to watch cams for free on a site called myFREEcams is a bit ridiculous.

Second, I'll bet 99.9+% of the people on MFC are "freeloaders" at some point. The way some of you make it sound, anyone who doesn't tip every model he ever looks at is a "freeloader." Also ridiculous.

Finally, I had to chuckle at that comment about "freeloaders should be looked down on by other members." Do you think freeloaders, who make up the overwhelming majority of the community, are going to care if a tiny minority of members "look down on them?"

They might care if the models look down on them, I'm pretty sure they won't give a rat's ass what the tipping members think.

Getting to the main point of the thread, and really the main idea of MFC: Isn't myFREEcams all about the models ability to get people to pay when they don't have to? Isn't that the business model?

We all know that there are plenty of models out there (some have already been mentioned in this thread) who get tons of guys throwing tokens at them in public, often for doing little or nothing beyond turning on their cam. Somehow, these girls have figured out how to separate men from their tokens.

How many of us originally came to MFC ONLY because it was free, with no intention of spending any money? A huge percentage, I'll bet (I was one of them).

I came to MFC to see naked girls for free. I ended up spending a lot of money here.

Maybe there are no freeloaders, just lots of potential customers/tippers who need to be convinced to give up that first $20, then more money beyond that.

 

[Nordling]

Sometime last year, I saw something that really impressed me. A popular Colombian model was getting ready to do a public show...only her rule was, NO non tippers allowed. She had well over 50 premiums in her room after her announcement and she then started banning non-tippers. It was amazing, as quickly as she'd pare the room down to 10 or 12 premiums, shitloads of new premiums would storm in, and after being informed, and given time to tip, were also banned. lol She did this five or six times before she was satisfied that she had the group she wanted. She did a magnificent show and everyone tipped.

* yeah, I know this wouldn't work for every model, but still, I was impressed that it worked for her.

How is this possible?

If she was so popular that she had 50+ premiums (plus dozens of others pouring in) in the room, then she would have also have had somewhere excess of 1,000 guests and basics in the room.

How did she get rid of them? Do the models have the ability to mass ban all guests and basics?

Do they have some way to keep new guests from coming into the room?

If not, it seems to me any "banned" premium with an IQ over 80 would have just come back 2 seconds later as a guest if he really wanted to see the show?

She only banned premiums, while muting guests and basics. Sure, your contention is correct that a banned person could log out and return as a guest but the room size didn't seem to indicate this was happening.

 

[lexmark402003]

I miss the old MFC :crybaby:

Perhaps something the model can enable/disable at their discretion

a new Option for all 2500+ camscore models?
"ENTRY to this room is FREE but requires a PREMIUM member account"

for the 5000+ girls
an additional
"Entry to this room is currently only available to PREMIUM members with tokens"

Which will lead to a proliferation of $20 premiums who save 1 token and keep it forever so they can get into those rooms.

I doubt MFC would do this, though. It would be a bad business move.

It would keep guests and basics out of the BEST rooms- the kinds of rooms that tend to convince guests and basics to become premiums.

MFC is a numbers game, just like soliciting money through the mail (e.g. for political parties or charities). The idea is to hit up tons of people in the hopes that a small percentage of them will pay up. If 3% of people who come to MFC eventually become spenders, it is in the best interest of MFC to do whatever they can to attract as many people here as they can- and that means making sure the best girls are out there as, essentially, bait to reel in new potential customers.

 

[BobbyB]

....
MFC is a numbers game, just like soliciting money through the mail (e.g. for political parties or charities). The idea is to hit up tons of people in the hopes that a small percentage of them will pay up. If 3% of people who come to MFC eventually become spenders, it is in the best interest of MFC to do whatever they can to attract as many people here as they can- and that means making sure the best girls are out there as, essentially, bait to reel in new potential customers.

I fully agree:

MFC offers the opportunity for some models to make serious money, so it can be done the way the system works now....
The questions for an individual model is "Can I do it ?"

 

[LadyLuna]

myfreecams... oh what oh what does this mean?

Well, lots of other sites, you have to sign up and pay a membership fee to even see the girls. Nope, not on MFC. You can still watch the cameras even without an account! Lots of other sites, you have to have a registered credit card to talk to the girls. Nope, not on MFC! At least, not if she doesn't have basics muted. And many models don't even mute guests (I used to do a 3 strike rule)

So the reason they claim to be free is because you don't have to pay for the preview. This doesn't mean you don't have to pay for the show. You can see the camera for free. You need to pay for more than that. Simple!

 

[victor0021]

Freeloaders will always exist on the site but also should be looked down on by the other members and models of the community in my opinion. I'm not saying called out every night in the room or banned for not tipping, but they just should not ever be treated as equals to the people that do tip.

First off, I think the idea that it's somehow evil to watch cams for free on a site called myFREEcams is a bit ridiculous.

Second, I'll bet 99.9+% of the people on MFC are "freeloaders" at some point. The way some of you make it sound, anyone who doesn't tip every model he ever looks at is a "freeloader." Also ridiculous.

Finally, I had to chuckle at that comment about "freeloaders should be looked down on by other members." Do you think freeloaders, who make up the overwhelming majority of the community, are going to care if a tiny minority of members "look down on them?"

They might care if the models look down on them, I'm pretty sure they won't give a rat's ass what the tipping members think.

Getting to the main point of the thread, and really the main idea of MFC: Isn't myFREEcams all about the models ability to get people to pay when they don't have to? Isn't that the business model?

We all know that there are plenty of models out there (some have already been mentioned in this thread) who get tons of guys throwing tokens at them in public, often for doing little or nothing beyond turning on their cam. Somehow, these girls have figured out how to separate men from their tokens.

How many of us originally came to MFC ONLY because it was free, with no intention of spending any money? A huge percentage, I'll bet (I was one of them).

I came to MFC to see naked girls for free. I ended up spending a lot of money here.

Maybe there are no freeloaders, just lots of potential customers/tippers who need to be convinced to give up that first $20, then more money beyond that.

Who said anything about evil? It's like the guy at our work Christmas parties that always takes tons of food home after the party even though he didn't bring anything. People talk about him behind his back and mock him for it, no none thinks he is evil, or like the scene in Reservoir Dogs where everyone rags on the guy that doesn't tip, trying to pressure him to tip. As I said freeloading is fine anyone can do it, but expecting people that spend a lot of money or the models to not sometimes look down on them is just not realistic. I think people also are having a lot of different definitions of what a freeloader is, people that tip sometimes when they can are not freeloaders to me, freeloaders are the guys that sit in a room night after night and never spend a dime in my opinion.

 

[RogueWarrior]

OK, now you have gone and done it. I was perfectly happy to enjoy my popcorn and watch the show. But now the thread has taken a turn and some salient points have been made. Now I can't help myself.

Yep, I have been a freeloader. Not habitually or necessarily with intent. It just happened. As a previous poster indicated, I also had guilt about it. I'm not proud of it.

Maybe I had not tokens, nor was in a position to purchase any at that point. I was going to log into MFC and drop by a couple of my favorites rooms to just say "Hi". Lo and behold, none were online at that time. Well, you know, I was already there, checked out some random rooms, came across a public show, stayed for a few minutes, didn't tip, that makes me a freeloader in the technical sense of the term.

But it was circumstances that made me a freeloader. I know that is not the type of freeloading that is being discussed in general, but some have made allusions to any and all freeloaders as being evil (OK, that's a bit strong, but you get the point).

In fact, I was pretty much the antithesis to the OP. Many time I would not tip for something, but rather because of something. Because the model made me laugh, played good music, did something stupid, funny, entertaining, or maybe just because..........

JJ, I can sympathize, but not empathize (because I have never been a cam model) with what you are saying. I cannot even imagine how difficult it would be to work your ass off and receive nothing in return.

When I was an MFC member, I was a tipper. A lot of it had to do with this forum and the..........connections I made here.

Rambling, vodka induced post over. Carry on.

 

[Anonymous]

I was going to log into MFC and drop by a couple of my favorites rooms to just say "Hi". Lo and behold, none were online at that time.

Did any of them have a Twitter profile? As a model, I really wish I had joined Twitter a lot sooner. And back then, I wasn't even using the news feed feature. I always suggest to the guys who tell me "I never see you on" that they follow me on Twitter, but many of them refuse to join Twitter...lol.

Many time I would not tip for something, but rather because of something. Because the model made me laugh, played good music, did something stupid, funny, entertaining, or maybe just because..........

That's because you're a cool guy and good person who doesn't feel entitled to "all-you-can-eat FREE tits/ass/pussy" (er...uh...you know what I mean...). Thanks...we need more guys like you. :thumbleft: