What is the most annoying thing a model can do?

[Falke]

I recently asked my friends about how they know to come in my room. Some of them dont see or turn off newsfeeds.. and said that if they got a quick PM letting them know I was on they'd like it better. I asked a LOT of my friendslist about this... like 100's of people.. and they all said they either didnt mind, or enjoyed getting a little note from me letting them know as long as it was No pressure.

for the last two months I've been sending quick PMs letting my friends know I'm on, and its helped IMMENSELY fill up my room..

My PM's usually say "hey there! HOpe you're having an awesome day! if you're not busy/bored feel free to come say hi, i'm logging on if you're busy - hope you're have a great night xx"

I'm curious would this bug you?? If someone lets me know that the pm's annoy them I skip them on the list. SO far only ONE person has said that they dont like to get pmed a lot

(i'm just really curious about this..cos i never used to pm because I DIDNT want to be annoying... but lots of people told me they liked it..and it really does seem to bring people in.. i try to make it as LOW pressure as i can.. so its not awkward for them to say no)

I may be alone in being annoyed by PMs if I am not in the models room. If people in your list said they didn't mind or that they even liked it, you should take them at their word. For me, it's also a matter of frequency. If it's the occasional message, it's not that big of a deal, but with some models (my comments aren't directed at anyone on this forum) it is every time they or I log in.

To me, it is a little bit like needing to tell a friend that you can't hang out with him/her because you already have other plans. It shouldn't be a big deal, but you still feel bad about turning someone down. I'll freely admit that it might just be my own awkwardness or personality flaw of being too much of a people pleaser.

 

[Ann_Sulu]

The overuse of PMs can become really frustrating (sorry if someone has already mentioned it). It's annoying to get a PM from a model every time you log in or every time she logs in. The occasional PM to the effect of "hey, how have you been?" or "I'm trying something new in my chat room" is fine. I also understand that sometimes rooms are slow, and models don't want to be bored and do want to earn some tokens for their time. But it's really awkward to get a PM when you are already in another model's chat or didn't log in with the intention of going to the particular model's room. I don't want to be rude by not responding. Maybe I am too non-confrontational, but I also worry about saying, "hi, nice to hear from you, but I'm already in a different chat."

From a member's perspective, if I have been in a model's room a few times and liked it, I will know if she is online, and I will find my way to her chat if I want to be there. It makes me wish that MFC had an option for some kind of incognito or stealth mode so that someone's friends list won't show that you are online.

I recently asked my friends about how they know to come in my room. Some of them dont see or turn off newsfeeds.. and said that if they got a quick PM letting them know I was on they'd like it better. I asked a LOT of my friendslist about this... like 100's of people.. and they all said they either didnt mind, or enjoyed getting a little note from me letting them know as long as it was No pressure.

for the last two months I've been sending quick PMs letting my friends know I'm on, and its helped IMMENSELY fill up my room..

My PM's usually say "hey there! HOpe you're having an awesome day! if you're not busy/bored feel free to come say hi, i'm logging on if you're busy - hope you're have a great night xx"

I'm curious would this bug you?? If someone lets me know that the pm's annoy them I skip them on the list. SO far only ONE person has said that they dont like to get pmed a lot

(i'm just really curious about this..cos i never used to pm because I DIDNT want to be annoying... but lots of people told me they liked it..and it really does seem to bring people in.. i try to make it as LOW pressure as i can.. so its not awkward for them to say no)

I did something like that when I started, and no one seemed to mind. I stopped, because after camming for a while and hearing members say how some models pmed too much I got paranoid about pm and decided to simply let members initiate pm each time. I do agree though that it does tip them off you are online, I didn't even want to use the newsfeeds when I started, because many of my guys said they hid the newsfeeds, due to them being annoying. I wish everyone just used one news area (twitter/tumblr/newsfeeds/etc) I try to remember to post on each thing, because I don't know who sees what where. :?

 

[LaceyRoyce]

The overuse of PMs can become really frustrating (sorry if someone has already mentioned it). It's annoying to get a PM from a model every time you log in or every time she logs in. The occasional PM to the effect of "hey, how have you been?" or "I'm trying something new in my chat room" is fine. I also understand that sometimes rooms are slow, and models don't want to be bored and do want to earn some tokens for their time. But it's really awkward to get a PM when you are already in another model's chat or didn't log in with the intention of going to the particular model's room. I don't want to be rude by not responding. Maybe I am too non-confrontational, but I also worry about saying, "hi, nice to hear from you, but I'm already in a different chat."

From a member's perspective, if I have been in a model's room a few times and liked it, I will know if she is online, and I will find my way to her chat if I want to be there. It makes me wish that MFC had an option for some kind of incognito or stealth mode so that someone's friends list won't show that you are online.

I recently asked my friends about how they know to come in my room. Some of them dont see or turn off newsfeeds.. and said that if they got a quick PM letting them know I was on they'd like it better. I asked a LOT of my friendslist about this... like 100's of people.. and they all said they either didnt mind, or enjoyed getting a little note from me letting them know as long as it was No pressure.

for the last two months I've been sending quick PMs letting my friends know I'm on, and its helped IMMENSELY fill up my room..

My PM's usually say "hey there! HOpe you're having an awesome day! if you're not busy/bored feel free to come say hi, i'm logging on if you're busy - hope you're have a great night xx"

I'm curious would this bug you?? If someone lets me know that the pm's annoy them I skip them on the list. SO far only ONE person has said that they dont like to get pmed a lot

(i'm just really curious about this..cos i never used to pm because I DIDNT want to be annoying... but lots of people told me they liked it..and it really does seem to bring people in.. i try to make it as LOW pressure as i can.. so its not awkward for them to say no)

I did something like that when I started, and no one seemed to mind. I stopped, because after camming for a while and hearing members say how some models pmed too much I got paranoid about pm and decided to simply let members initiate pm each time. I do agree though that it does tip them off you are online, I didn't even want to use the newsfeeds when I started, because many of my guys said they hid the newsfeeds, due to them being annoying. I wish everyone just used one news area (twitter/tumblr/newsfeeds/etc) I try to remember to post on each thing, because I don't know who sees what where. :?

i'mm pretty paranoid about it too.. but it WORKS so i do it. *sigh* i hate things like this cos i feel like some guys LOVE getting pms and others hate it and i really wish i had some fucking system, like wearing a hanky in the back pocket, that would tell me what he likes and doesnt like. I have no wish to bug anyone lol

 

[JerryBoBerry]

The overuse of PMs can become really frustrating (sorry if someone has already mentioned it). It's annoying to get a PM from a model every time you log in or every time she logs in. The occasional PM to the effect of "hey, how have you been?" or "I'm trying something new in my chat room" is fine. I also understand that sometimes rooms are slow, and models don't want to be bored and do want to earn some tokens for their time. But it's really awkward to get a PM when you are already in another model's chat or didn't log in with the intention of going to the particular model's room. I don't want to be rude by not responding. Maybe I am too non-confrontational, but I also worry about saying, "hi, nice to hear from you, but I'm already in a different chat."

From a member's perspective, if I have been in a model's room a few times and liked it, I will know if she is online, and I will find my way to her chat if I want to be there. It makes me wish that MFC had an option for some kind of incognito or stealth mode so that someone's friends list won't show that you are online.

I recently asked my friends about how they know to come in my room. Some of them dont see or turn off newsfeeds.. and said that if they got a quick PM letting them know I was on they'd like it better. I asked a LOT of my friendslist about this... like 100's of people.. and they all said they either didnt mind, or enjoyed getting a little note from me letting them know as long as it was No pressure.

for the last two months I've been sending quick PMs letting my friends know I'm on, and its helped IMMENSELY fill up my room..

My PM's usually say "hey there! HOpe you're having an awesome day! if you're not busy/bored feel free to come say hi, i'm logging on if you're busy - hope you're have a great night xx"

I'm curious would this bug you?? If someone lets me know that the pm's annoy them I skip them on the list. SO far only ONE person has said that they dont like to get pmed a lot

(i'm just really curious about this..cos i never used to pm because I DIDNT want to be annoying... but lots of people told me they liked it..and it really does seem to bring people in.. i try to make it as LOW pressure as i can.. so its not awkward for them to say no)

I did something like that when I started, and no one seemed to mind. I stopped, because after camming for a while and hearing members say how some models pmed too much I got paranoid about pm and decided to simply let members initiate pm each time. I do agree though that it does tip them off you are online, I didn't even want to use the newsfeeds when I started, because many of my guys said they hid the newsfeeds, due to them being annoying. I wish everyone just used one news area (twitter/tumblr/newsfeeds/etc) I try to remember to post on each thing, because I don't know who sees what where. :?

I haven't minded PM's so much. Heck most of the time I'm signed into mfc i'm just logged in so people CAN pm me. I'm busy doing homework or something so i'm not actually in a room most of the time, but mfc is pretty much my social life while I'm so bogged down with homework.

A few models have asked me about it, not wanting to annoy me for initiating a pm (...hint hint godiva, cough cough) and i just chuckle and tell em it's fine. If i'm online feel free to PM me. If i have time to chat i'll chat, if i'm swamped i simply tell em that too. So far i don't think anyone has used starting up a conversation to try to entice me into going into their room. Or if they have I haven't noticed them getting upset if i don't.

On the other end of the spectrum I have had one model, who i've never actually visited [EVER], PM me every single time she gets on cam with a kiss emote. I think she saw me tip in another room and has had me on her list for almost two years now. I swear i'm building up to just tipping her a bomb amount one of these days. I sort of admire her sheer tenacity.

Edit: There, i just changed my profile headline to 'Models feel free to PM me if you want to chat. I don't mind.' So now if a model doesn't know I can accuse HER of not reading profiles. :lol:

 

[Ann_Sulu]

A few models have asked me about it, not wanting to annoy me for initiating a pm (...hint hint godiva, cough cough) and i just chuckle and tell em it's fine. If i'm online feel free to PM me. If i have time to chat i'll chat, if i'm swamped i simply tell em that too. So far i don't think anyone has used starting up a conversation to try to entice me into going into their room. Or if they have I haven't noticed them getting upset if i don't.

You are the only member I've actually kinda wanted to annoy with PMs, because of this, and you living on MFC 24hrs a day:lol:

 

[Falke]

i'mm pretty paranoid about it too.. but it WORKS so i do it. *sigh* i hate things like this cos i feel like some guys LOVE getting pms and others hate it and i really wish i had some fucking system, like wearing a hanky in the back pocket, that would tell me what he likes and doesnt like. I have no wish to bug anyone lol

You have a nice, no-pressure message when you do send it, which wouldn't bother me if I received it. That's much better than just a "hi" with a smiley face,.

I agree that it would be nice to have a sort of general opt-out that doesn't involve turning off PMs. I think some sort of incognito mode (checkbox for "hide my name from friends' lists") would be great and not hard to implement.

 

[Bocefish]

In reference to models PMing their regulars or not... If in doubt, I'd suggest just being honest, express your concern and ask how the individual member feels about it, everybody is different.

If members ask how they can know when you get on cam, you can remind them about the model notification option if they weren't aware of that. They also have different PM settings as well as the option to set their status to "Away" if they aren't up to socializing via PMs for whatever reason.

:twocents-02cents:

 

[Tristyn]

I also don't buy the financial domination thing, that's what Direct Messages are for if you're targeting a select few instead of the masses, unless that's your primary way of camming.

Uh... I did financial and professional domination almost exclusively for a year (http://www.ladytristyn.info), so while it is not my only (or even primary) way of camming right now, I still do a LOT of financial domination and financial domination-related fetishes. Plus, I cam on Streamate, not MFC, so I physically CAN'T send direct messages to the majority of my submissive fans who know me from there, AND... you're forgetting that many of us also use twitter to market and network to/with new people too. I've found many of my financial domination fetishes and submissives because I market myself on twitter, and wishlist/giftcard links are just one of my methods. :thumbleft:

As I said, though... for those who don't want to gift or tip for "no reason" (though I can argue here that I also post free nude-y photos, free nude-y vines, and other freebies that someone might be inclined to tip me for if they enjoyed them), I also offer incentives (soap-y, nude, wet photos in return for LUSH giftcards, for example), and I accept some giftcards for skype time as well. *shrugs*

PS: All of that said, if you actually look at my twitter the giftcard/wishlist links really aren't even close to being the majority of what I post, so it's not like people are being bombarded with advertisements 3 times a day, or even every day. And the last several I did post WERE with incentives (like photos, as I mentioned above). It's just that, to be blunt.. my financial domination submissives don't WANT incentives, and even expect a bit of entitlement from me because of my status. I'm a fucking princess, after all!
PPS: I can think of many 'mainstream' MFC models who also do financial domination (and sometimes quite a bit of it) without it being their primary way of camming, and part of that is because a lot of what happens in the financial domination world doesn't happen *on* cam. I have submissives who have never even SEEN me on cam because that's just not how it works for them/us, and some of those guys are people who found me on twitter. :3

 

[Kradek]

I think part of the issue with offline tips is the misuse of the word "tip" in general on MFC. I don't know that anyone is really at fault for this, it's just how the culture on MFC has evolved. "Tips" are actually in many cases "payment".

If you pop "offline tip" into the search box on twitter, the vast majority of what comes back are advertisements for content, raffles, etc. For example right now:

Offline tip 1000 tokens for my SNAPCHAT ID to receive pictures everyday all month!

I should be on within the hour! Offline tips will go towards the countdown/log me on nakie!

New sensual strip video 250 tkns tip offline and get a prize

I think of those as advertising , abusing the MFC token system for payment. These do not bother me at all.

On the other hand right now there are several like this:

Can anyone please help with an offline tip or two as then I can stay at my mums longer hurrah xx

I'm about 11000 tokens behind my goal for this pay period. if anyone wants to offline tip me I will be so happy!

These are the kind of statements I think cause the debate. On the one hand, if I'm following you on twitter, I at least have some interest in you that I might be motivated to help, but I have to admit I fall into the camp that if something like that was posted often, I would probably move on. Tristyn pointed out the findom angle, which is something to think about. For what it's worth, I follow Tristyn and I can't ever recall a tweet that bothered me.

I buy the argument that it's done because it works and I can generally safely ignore them.

 

[Tristyn]

These are the kind of statements I think cause the debate. On the one hand, if I'm following you on twitter, I at least have some interest in you that I might be motivated to help, but I have to admit I fall into the camp that if something like that was posted often, I would probably move on. Tristyn pointed out the findom angle, which is something to think about. For what it's worth, I follow Tristyn and I can't ever recall a tweet that bothered me.

I buy the argument that it's done because it works and I can generally safely ignore them.

Well thanks! I'm glad.

I'm about 11000 tokens behind my goal for this pay period. if anyone wants to offline tip me I will be so happy!

My first thought here, even though I don't do MFC myself, was... well, what if this lady is so behind on her token goals because she hasn't been getting tipped (paid) while she IS online, for the work that she HAS been doing? Do you know what I mean? I logged onto MFC on a whim a few nights ago, just to check things out. I spent the entire time chatting to/entertaining people, teasing, responding to PMs, and... I made 10 tokens. At one point I had 30 premiums in my room, and... nothing.

And I know that it's not that I'm an unfriendly old hag (okay, most days!). I have a lot of fun on SM, my regulars seem happy enough (they keep coming back, anyway! ), and I try to keep my room chill and chatty. I realize that part of it is that I just don't have the following on MFC etcetc, BUT.. my point is only that many (most) models put in a lot of work into this that they just don't get paid for, including work that they do ON cam. I realize that this is the way of working on 'commission', but if people come into my room, spend hours there chatting and seemingly enjoying the vibe/company/whatever, and then don't tip *anything* (or take me into a private, or buy content, or whatever).. well, at that point I am entertaining/working for free, and eventually that's going to be a problem when the first of the month rolls around.

So, because I have been in the position of "holy shit I just worked my ass off smiling and entertaining and flirting for 3 hours and didn't hit minimum wage" before, I have a hard time seeing *those* kind of tweets as "begging" unless they are a constant/excessive thing.

I feel like in those cases the model is often just letting her members/fans know where she's at, so that they can help if they want to. (Or ignore it if they don't).

Another thing to consider:

I haven't actually posted about this outside of models-only before (or on my twitter, blog, etc), because I prefer to focus on happier things when I'm on cam, AND because I don't use sob-stories (even if they are true, heh) to make money, but...

My mom was diagnosed with cancer three weeks ago, and my dad is still recovering from a really bad infection that he had over the summer (which I did vaguely post about at some point, I think), so both of my parents are ill at the moment. If at some point I need to go and be with her/them because her condition is getting worse and she needs more personal care, or because she just wants to have me around, there might come a time when I'm not able to work for a while. I don't get paid sick leave, I don't get benefits, I don't get paid vacation, and I don't get compassionate leave. My bills still need to be paid regardless, and I still need to be able to eat.

I don't expect other people to pick up that tab, nor do I feel entitled, HOWEVER... I think that it's something to be aware of (though obviously there are models who abuse this, which I think is a really shitty marketing tactic), and I also know that some of my fans/members/submissives would WANT to help IF they knew what was going on. In the 3 years that I've been a cam model / ProDomme I have NEVER used some kind of crazy sob story to make money, so I think that in my case my members would know that I'm being honest, and serious.

I'm actually trying to prepare some new content in advanced just in case this DOES happen, so I can offer it as incentives and whatnot, but truthfully things could take a turn too quickly for me to have the time to do that. And if it does? Well, I'd like to think that I could talk about it - and maybe even ask for help - without "begging" being thrown around.

PS: I'm not looking for sympathy or anything. Just to make people think.

 

[ComicOzzie]

FYI models, we know if you are online. You are listed right there plain as day on our friends' list. (And in my case, your avatars are right in my top row of page 1.)

:hello2:

 

[Tristyn]

FYI models, we know if you are online. You are listed right there plain as day on our friends' list. (And in my case, your avatars are right in my top row of page 1.)

:hello2:

What if someone wanted to be notified via e-mail when their favorite models come online? Would sending a PM make that happen? 'Cause then I could see why PM notification would be more appealing.
(..Sorry, I'm a bit ignorant-- I don't cam on MFC).

 

[JerryBoBerry]

FYI models, we know if you are online. You are listed right there plain as day on our friends' list. (And in my case, your avatars are right in my top row of page 1.)

:hello2:

What if someone wanted to be notified via e-mail when their favorite models come online? Would sending a PM make that happen? 'Cause then I could see why PM notification would be more appealing.
(..Sorry, I'm a bit ignorant-- I don't cam on MFC).

MFC already has a feature to get an email to your regular email address any time a model comes on. In our personal options we can simply add any model we want notifications for.

The text messaging feature is 'supposed' to work for people outside of the U.S.A. too but I haven't confirmed that.

 

[Sevrin]

FYI models, we know if you are online. You are listed right there plain as day on our friends' list. (And in my case, your avatars are right in my top row of page 1.)

:hello2:

What if someone wanted to be notified via e-mail when their favorite models come online? Would sending a PM make that happen? 'Cause then I could see why PM notification would be more appealing.
(..Sorry, I'm a bit ignorant-- I don't cam on MFC).

MFC already has a feature to get an email to your regular email address any time a model comes on. In our personal options we can simply add any model we want notifications for.

The text messaging feature is 'supposed' to work for people outside of the U.S.A. too but I haven't confirmed that.

It has been removed as an option. It used to work fine for Canada. Streamate has SMS notifications, too, but they didn't work for me. I was told that my carrier blocked their texts by Streamate support.

 

[Shaun__]

The overuse of PMs can become really frustrating (sorry if someone has already mentioned it). It's annoying to get a PM from a model every time you log in or every time she logs in. The occasional PM to the effect of "hey, how have you been?" or "I'm trying something new in my chat room" is fine. I also understand that sometimes rooms are slow, and models don't want to be bored and do want to earn some tokens for their time. But it's really awkward to get a PM when you are already in another model's chat or didn't log in with the intention of going to the particular model's room. I don't want to be rude by not responding. Maybe I am too non-confrontational, but I also worry about saying, "hi, nice to hear from you, but I'm already in a different chat."

From a member's perspective, if I have been in a model's room a few times and liked it, I will know if she is online, and I will find my way to her chat if I want to be there. It makes me wish that MFC had an option for some kind of incognito or stealth mode so that someone's friends list won't show that you are online.

I recently asked my friends about how they know to come in my room. Some of them dont see or turn off newsfeeds.. and said that if they got a quick PM letting them know I was on they'd like it better. I asked a LOT of my friendslist about this... like 100's of people.. and they all said they either didnt mind, or enjoyed getting a little note from me letting them know as long as it was No pressure.

for the last two months I've been sending quick PMs letting my friends know I'm on, and its helped IMMENSELY fill up my room..

My PM's usually say "hey there! HOpe you're having an awesome day! if you're not busy/bored feel free to come say hi, i'm logging on if you're busy - hope you're have a great night xx"

I'm curious would this bug you?? If someone lets me know that the pm's annoy them I skip them on the list. SO far only ONE person has said that they dont like to get pmed a lot

(i'm just really curious about this..cos i never used to pm because I DIDNT want to be annoying... but lots of people told me they liked it..and it really does seem to bring people in.. i try to make it as LOW pressure as i can.. so its not awkward for them to say no)

I keep my PMs open to only a few people, and they understand that if I say I am "busy", then I am getting busy. Other than those times I am okay with getting PMs.

 

[Sevrin]

I keep my PMs open to only a few people, and they understand that if I say I am "busy", then I am getting busy. Other than those times I am okay with getting PMs.

And what do they understand "getting busy" to mean?

 

[AnOkayGuy]

And what do they understand "getting busy" to mean?

Furiously masturbating?

 

[Shaun__]

I keep my PMs open to only a few people, and they understand that if I say I am "busy", then I am getting busy. Other than those times I am okay with getting PMs.

And what do they understand "getting busy" to mean?

And what do they understand "getting busy" to mean?

Furiously masturbating?

I assume that is what they assume.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

The pm thing is tricky, for some dudes it's one of their favourite things about mfc and love having conversations there. Sometimes I'm not sure if people are just being polite in replying and having conversations. Then again usually I will chat to people in pm when I'm not actually on cam, so I'm not exactly asking anything of them, am just seeing how they are/keeping the contact and enjoying the conversation.

I only tend to send pm's to people letting them know I'm online who are regular visitors of my room as I'm often online but not on cam, they might not realise I've actually come on cam. Occasionally when it is slow in the room I will branch out a bit on who I speak to, but again, it's people who in the past haven't seemed to mind getting a pm. I don't think I've ever asked for someone to come to my room, unless it's a regular and I'm saying "get your arse here now!! " as a joke. I'm usually a bit more subtle that that and just start a small conversation, if the member then comes to my room and happily continues the conversation, then awesome, if the member either ignores me or doesn't seem too interested I'll leave it.

With pm's it's more down to using your own intuition on who likes getting pm's and who doesn't.

I think best not to say to a model outright "sorry I'm already in someone else's room", unless she's specifically asked you to go to her room when you're not a regular, because to be honest, I think that'd be kind of rude on her part, otherwise there's no need to be so blunt about it. Either just take ages responding and don't give much by way of response, and don't ask any further questions. The model should get the hint pretty quickly. If she doesn't you can just say that you hate sending pm's/are busy. If she still doesn't get it then she's either kind of socially inept or really desperate/kind of rude.

This is a similarish situation to the offline tip thing, though I can see why it can be annoying for some people, for others it's also something that they like/encourages them to tip. It is part and parcel with Mfc. For me doing the whole messaging people is how I get a lot of my tokens, without that camming would be very different for me, most of my regulars enjoy that I pm them.

Sometimes things in life are necessary, they happen all the time, but I might as well say I find it annoying that each year I get taxed, or that when I go to a store they want me to pay for all of my items, and that if I give a company my e-mail, they send me spam. Or I could even say I find it annoying if someone I know tries to hug me. Most people like getting hugs.

Though I know this is a thread on the most annoying things a model can do, because it's public where models themselves can actually see it, I just think people should be careful of what they say, especially when it's situations that only irritate a few people. It could result in models not doing things that actually make them income because of an outspoken minority. There have been a few posts in this thread already that have upset models because they've been basically a member bitching about a few specific situations that've annoyed them, even though they aren't necessarily justified in their annoyance.

At the end of the day, there are plenty of members out there who get annoyed that models want tokens full stop and don't simply get nude and give out content to everyone. I know that people love this whole freedom of speech crap, but I think in spaces where models can actually see things you're writing there should be a line from where it's universally irritating things and simply bitching about when models don't cater to your own personal preferences.

 

[Falke]

Sometimes things in life are necessary, they happen all the time, but I might as well say I find it annoying that each year I get taxed, or that when I go to a store they want me to pay for all of my items, and that if I give a company my e-mail, they send me spam. Or I could even say I find it annoying if someone I know tries to hug me. Most people like getting hugs.

Though I know this is a thread on the most annoying things a model can do, because it's public where models themselves can actually see it, I just think people should be careful of what they say, especially when it's situations that only irritate a few people. It could result in models not doing things that actually make them income because of an outspoken minority. There have been a few posts in this thread already that have upset models because they've been basically a member bitching about a few specific situations that've annoyed them, even though they aren't necessarily justified in their annoyance.

At the end of the day, there are plenty of members out there who get annoyed that models want tokens full stop and don't simply get nude and give out content to everyone. I know that people love this whole freedom of speech crap, but I think in spaces where models can actually see things you're writing there should be a line from where it's universally irritating things and simply bitching about when models don't cater to your own personal preferences.

Thanks for you response and your suggestion how to reply to PMs. I am just never sure whether it is worse to be a little rude in essentially ignoring a person (it seems rude to me, at least) or to be polite but more honest. I can only share my perspective as a member, which is that I end up at sort of a loss for what to do when three or four models are PMing me at once, and that can be annoying/frustrating.

I do feel bad for having upset anyone by sharing what seems to be an annoyance only to me, and I am sorry for it. I also wouldn't want to hurt anyone's earnings. I know models put a lot of effort in to what they do, and they earn every token in some way (and should probably earn more). Obviously models should do what they need to do to meet their earnings needs. If most members say that they like or don't mind regularly getting PMs, then you can only take them at their word. If sending out PMs is necessary to make enough tokens for camming to be worthwhile, then it's something the minority of us have to put up with, because the whole camming thing doesn't work without models earning enough money.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

I think with a lot of situations you might face with a model, just think of how you think it'd be taken in real life/how you'd feel if someone said it. Social etiquette doesn't suddenly change once we get on the internet, the same things that upset regular girls will upset models.

So: "Sorry I'm not going to come to your room because I'm hanging out with another model" When a model has only vaguely asked what you're up to, is on par to a girl smiling at you in a bar/saying hello and you instantly going "Sorry, I fancy someone else in this bar more than you."
If a girl chatted to you in a bar who you didn't want to speak to, a few polite but short answers followed by "hope you have a good night" is completely acceptable. You don't have to be totally brutal by saying "sorry, I don't want to talk to you".

You can make all sorts of excuses up, that you're not the best typer, you're often doing other things while on mfc, or even honestly, that you're not that into having pm chitchat.

Try to play it safe, while being polite, you don't want to encourage the girl to talk any more than she needs to- remember, she's usually only talking to you because she thinks you'll like it. If you're honest from the start with models that you hate sending pm's, making it seem like it's not personal to that model, then they should get the message. You should probably avoid any references to being with other girls etc. As much as it's completely ok you're with other models, there will always be a part of a models brain that'll take it as a hit to their self esteem, thinking it's something they're doing wrong. And I also think that ignoring the pm's is rude if not deliberate, I'm never sure if the person just hadn't been at their laptop/had left mfc on, so I'd rather a few short responses. I think especially when it's a model who's room you do visit on occasion, it's not really fair to ignore her and then stop by her room when you feel like it. I know members by nature have the control of who they visit, but you don't want to make a model upset with you unnecessarily.

Imagine it like if you see someone you vaguely know on the street, saying hi is much better than walking past and blanking them, but you don't have to stop and have a full on conversation, it might feel a little awkward, but you can just say you're in a rush to go do something if they try chatting.

 

[eclipse76]

Models insulting their customers: not one customer specifically, but customers in general: "you're all creep, pervs, misogynists". Or various insults based on gender, body shaming, sexuality shaming. I had an acquaintance like this, that I didn't know from her cam work, but from her personal blog, and another one still really popular that I knew from her art career. Maybe they expected no customers see this because it was on their personal blog, but it really left me with a bad impression about cam models.


Just pet peeves: models not specifying the duration of their videos on their profile. Is it just 5 mn of girls kissing? 15, 30, 45 mn? I'm not giving 800 tokens if the videos is 5 mn long (also not mentioning video size).
And speaking of women kissing, I know it's entertainment, not real, just acting, but please don't do videos with people you don't enjoy or who don't enjoy you. It is quite awkward to watch a video where one of the participant is clearly inexperienced/uncomfortable/reluctant(!).

 

[IsabellaSnow]

Just pet peeves: models not specifying the duration of their videos on their profile. Is it just 5 mn of girls kissing? 15, 30, 45 mn? I'm not giving 800 tokens if the videos is 5 mn long (also not mentioning video size).

I can see how that can be a pet peeve, do you mind asking the model how long they are? I don't have the lengths on my profile at the moment, but then all of my videos are around 10+ minutes and none of them are priced really high. Maybe I should put the amount of time in there too. Does this bother many others?

Models insulting their customers: not one customer specifically, but customers in general: "you're all creep, pervs, misogynists".

I'm confused, do you mean models doing this on cam/in places connected to camming? Because yeah, that's like a huge nono, I mean it's downright nasty! But I got confused with you saying it's on model's personal blogs etc that aren't connected to camming. Though I don't like people being nasty/two faced, I think in any situation everyone is going to bitch about people from work/customers in their downtime at some point. The large majority of members make me want to pull my hair out and scream. Even the members I like can make me feel like this, and though I don't shout it out on a blog, I do talk to other cam models and my friends from real life about it.
I don't think that's necessarily a bad impression of cam models, but of people in general. Almost everyone bitches at some point, especially when they don't think the people they're directing it at can hear them. It's kind of like me hearing a bar tender moan on his night off about rowdy customers and saying that it has left me with a really bad impression of all bar tenders.

What I am curious about is if what put you off is that you heard the girl saying stuff and you're shocked that anyone would say stuff about anyone in that way, or that what is shocking you is that idea that a camgirl that might be being really nice to you is actually thinking "god, what a loser/creep/weirdo"?

I'm not going to lie to you guys, there is a part of the majority of camgirls who I think probably do think as a whole you're all a big bunch of losers. And yeah, a whole load of members are massive weirdos! And don't even get me started on some of the creepy stuff....
But to be honest, when I'm camming and having a conversation with someone, I don't really think about any of that stuff. My life is hardly perfect, I'm a bit of a loser really, and I'm definitely a weirdo! AND I'm a creep! So really, I can't judge members all that much.
But that doesn't mean I don't get large amounts of enjoyment from whining to people and telling entertaining stories about all the crazy things members do! Just on this forum there's a whole lot of that! I don't know exactly how bad this stuff was, but the sad thing is, it's probably only scary to think about because that model actually vocalised it. I mean a lot of camgirls, especially the ones here, are all a big bunch of misfits, but I'd imagine that there are a fair amount who really truly never would associate with any of the members on mfc if it weren't for the cash. The whole point of mfc is that dudes who usually wouldn't get close to a pretty girl get to chat to a whole bunch of them AND see them naked/do sexy stuff. I don't think it's all that far fetched to think that a fair few girls are probably completely faking the fun they're apparently having.

 

[LilyEvans]

Just pet peeves: models not specifying the duration of their videos on their profile. Is it just 5 mn of girls kissing? 15, 30, 45 mn? I'm not giving 800 tokens if the videos is 5 mn long (also not mentioning video size).

I can see how that can be a pet peeve, do you mind asking the model how long they are? I don't have the lengths on my profile at the moment, but then all of my videos are around 10+ minutes and none of them are priced really high. Maybe I should put the amount of time in there too. Does this bother many others?

Models insulting their customers: not one customer specifically, but customers in general: "you're all creep, pervs, misogynists".

I'm confused, do you mean models doing this on cam/in places connected to camming? Because yeah, that's like a huge nono, I mean it's downright nasty! But I got confused with you saying it's on model's personal blogs etc that aren't connected to camming. Though I don't like people being nasty/two faced, I think in any situation everyone is going to bitch about people from work/customers in their downtime at some point. The large majority of members make me want to pull my hair out and scream. Even the members I like can make me feel like this, and though I don't shout it out on a blog, I do talk to other cam models and my friends from real life about it.
I don't think that's necessarily a bad impression of cam models, but of people in general. Almost everyone bitches at some point, especially when they don't think the people they're directing it at can hear them. It's kind of like me hearing a bar tender moan on his night off about rowdy customers and saying that it has left me with a really bad impression of all bar tenders.

What I am curious about is if what put you off is that you heard the girl saying stuff and you're shocked that anyone would say stuff about anyone in that way, or that what is shocking you is that idea that a camgirl that might be being really nice to you is actually thinking "god, what a loser/creep/weirdo"?

Well I think this would be a good situation to apply your own advice: just because it's the internet doesn't mean the basic rules of society and etiquette and decency don't apply.

If I found the Facebook page or personal blog of, say, a tattoo artist, and his posts said things like, "God, every single tattoo today was some vapid little whore who got a stupid, shallow, tattoo. I'm so sick of little princesses coming in for cutesy tattoos that don't mean anything!" Or if I saw a chef's blog where he said, "All the food I'm sending out is good, but I am definitely charging as much money as these pretentious fucks will pay me! LOL!" I would be INCREDIBLY put off. If this is their opinion, they are entitled to it; if they feel the need to share their frustrations about the job, they should do it somewhere private where customers and potential customers will never see it. Maybe a Facebook message to their coworkers, or a phone call to their families, or a private forum of people in the same field. Not on a blog or website or TV interview that lots and lots of people are going to see.

Not only that but it's just very disrespectful to speak that way of the people who are giving you money. I know you're working for the money and they're not literally handing it to you solely out of the goodness of their hearts (most of the time! ) but the fact is without the "weirdos" and "perverts" and "creeps" we'd be out of a job. I felt the same way when I saw interviews with Roberts Pattinson and Kristen Stewart trash talking the Twilight movies. I think the movies are garbage, personally; but the fact is that without those movies those two would be B-list actors instead of the household names (and multimillionaires) that they are today. I was very very uncomfortable with the idea that they had such open disdain for their fans and the money people were throwing at them.

*Edit for clarification: Isabella, I'm not talking about you specifically here; this is about the idea in general that has been presented.

 

[eclipse76]

Just pet peeves: models not specifying the duration of their videos on their profile. Is it just 5 mn of girls kissing? 15, 30, 45 mn? I'm not giving 800 tokens if the videos is 5 mn long (also not mentioning video size).

I can see how that can be a pet peeve, do you mind asking the model how long they are? I don't have the lengths on my profile at the moment, but then all of my videos are around 10+ minutes and none of them are priced really high. Maybe I should put the amount of time in there too. Does this bother many others?

Yes I can probably ask them, but that could be bothering her if many do it/I'm an impulsive buyer so if she answers the next day, I'd probably have thought "hum, no, I don't really need that after all"/Also timezones, some fancy models are often at the other side of the planet. Just a pet peeves anyway.

I'm confused, do you mean models doing this on cam/in places connected to camming? Because yeah, that's like a huge nono, I mean it's downright nasty! But I got confused with you saying it's on model's personal blogs etc that aren't connected to camming. Though I don't like people being nasty/two faced, I think in any situation everyone is going to bitch about people from work/customers in their downtime at some point. The large majority of members make me want to pull my hair out and scream. Even the members I like can make me feel like this, and though I don't shout it out on a blog, I do talk to other cam models and my friends from real life about it.
I don't think that's necessarily a bad impression of cam models, but of people in general. Almost everyone bitches at some point, especially when they don't think the people they're directing it at can hear them. It's kind of like me hearing a bar tender moan on his night off about rowdy customers and saying that it has left me with a really bad impression of all bar tenders.

Yes, their personal blog, not connected to camming. And my point is not bitching about assholes/weirdos/rough day, I hate them as much as the next fellow, but bitching at the very fact that some men are buying their content/service.

What I am curious about is if what put you off is that you heard the girl saying stuff and you're shocked that anyone would say stuff about anyone in that way, or that what is shocking you is that idea that a camgirl that might be being really nice to you is actually thinking "god, what a loser/creep/weirdo"?

It's not about me, I wasn't a customer of them. I dislike the hypocrisy, claiming a moral high-ground vis-a-vis your customers.

But that doesn't mean I don't get large amounts of enjoyment from whining to people and telling entertaining stories about all the crazy things members do! Just on this forum there's a whole lot of that!

Nope, that is perfectly fine for me.

edit: is it okay to pm a model on the forum about their MFC content? I'm not sure of the customs over here.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

Yeah I definitely agree, if it's done in such a nasty way... then no, I don't think that's ever cool. I mean I'm sure a lot of models feel like that privately, personally I can't believe the amount of money spent on me! But then I don't feel that in a nasty way, more an overwhelmed "how could they really want to give me so much of their time/money?". In any situation I can't stand people being deliberately horrible about others, like in Lily's example of the actors in twilight bitching about the film, it's not cool.

As for pm's on here, I personally don't mind so long as someone's not wasting time/looking for free attention. I quite like receiving pm's every now and then about stuff on this forum, or maybe a complement about a post, though I don't use acf for main interactions with people.

I think I'm now going to have to look into putting the length on my videos! I can understand why not knowing how long they'll last could be off putting.

 

[Misono]

Opinions are very much like arseholes though; some need frequent examination.

 

[SexySteph]

I mean I'm sure a lot of models feel like that privately.

I wish you wouldn't phrase it like that. I think that a lot of models DON'T feel that way privately or publicly. I think the majority of models actually respect and care about their guys rather than secretly thinking how they're such creepy losers. The way you say that implies that most of us are lying all the and can't stand most premiums.

 

[Gen]

I mean I'm sure a lot of models feel like that privately.

I wish you wouldn't phrase it like that. I think that a lot of models DON'T feel that way privately or publicly. I think the majority of models actually respect and care about their guys rather than secretly thinking how they're such creepy losers. The way you say that implies that most of us are lying all the and can't stand most premiums.

I agree. And I think there's a big difference between "holy fuck someone spent this much money on me" and "hahah this creepy loser keeps giving me his money".

Also I'd hope most models don't think that way. I don't like the idea of having such an emotional job (as in, it's based on friendship, hanging out, getting to know each other and having fun together) if you think so poorly of the people you're sharing that with. (And I don't mean that to say you feel like that, Isabella - just about the topic in general!)

 

[JoleneBrody]

I mean I'm sure a lot of models feel like that privately.

I wish you wouldn't phrase it like that. I think that a lot of models DON'T feel that way privately or publicly. I think the majority of models actually respect and care about their guys rather than secretly thinking how they're such creepy losers. The way you say that implies that most of us are lying all the and can't stand most premiums.

I agree. And I think there's a big difference between "holy fuck someone spent this much money on me" and "hahah this creepy loser keeps giving me his money".

Also I'd hope most models don't think that way. I don't like the idea of having such an emotional job (as in, it's based on friendship, hanging out, getting to know each other and having fun together) if you think so poorly of the people you're sharing that with. (And I don't mean that to say you feel like that, Isabella - just about the topic in general!)

I'm gonna jump on here but it's only based on my room and the type of member I, personally, appeal to.
I so rarely get creepy weirdos. I'm mostly just floored everyday that so many different, incredibly interesting and hilarious people find me worthy of spending their entertainment time and money on.
I personally try to chase anyone I think is going to make me uncomfortable out of my room before they even get the chance to tip me.

About PM's. This has been interesting to read.
I hate PM's and avoid them at all cost. Wanting PM's from a model logging on just seems so incredibly needy and demanding to me both ways. If a member is interested enough to request a special private notification when I log on, then he can damn well un-hide newsfeeds, follow my twitter, subscribe for email notification or just keep an eye on his friends list.
If with all of the notification options available they STILL want a special private personal notice, then I seriously do not want that member anywhere near me. Talk about entitled needy attention whore.
That is the way it would come off to me anyway. Just like unsolicited PM's from models I've visited comes off.