What is the most annoying thing a model can do?

[Bocefish]

This is one of mine too. "Doing x tonight so won't be on cam but feel free to offline tip me" and "If you buy me y I'll love you forever" are two that I see often. I tend to give models the benefit of the doubt and assume that a) they're being flippant and don't realise that it could be construed as begging and b) they actually do intend to send anyone who offline tips/buys them something a video or something of similar value. Without assuming those two things though, these tweets read as "Not working today but I'd like to get paid anyway. By you" and "I want this item but don't want to buy it myself. Can you buy it for me please? I'll 'love you forever' but only in an abstract and ultimately meaningless way".

See I don't see this as begging. I see it as being cheeky.

If I'm ill I don't get sick pay, whilst many people in other jobs would.

Talk about a sense of entitlement!

What other self-employed business owner thinks that because they're ill or choose not to work, they somehow deserve to get paid by their regular customers while they're off, legitimately ill, or not?

UFB!

 

[SexySteph]

See I don't see this as begging. I see it as being cheeky.

If I'm ill I don't get sick pay, whilst many people in other jobs would. So if I can't work for various reasons. Many members do like offline tipping their favourite girls, or might want to buy some content she has on her profile. She's basically saying that although she won't be working, that any offline tips/purchases would be very much appreciated as she still has to make income.

This, if I was ill wrapped up in bed with flu for a week offline tips would really cheer me up. Though obviously I also would try and sell content etc. but the generosity is always welcomed and really appreciated.

Agreed. Plus, you have to keep in mind the kind of work we're doing. It's emotional work to a degree. Many of our regulars feel an emotional tie to us (and many of us feel an emotional tie to them as well), so saying "I'm going out with friends tonight, offline tips make me smile!" doesn't seem bad to me, or wrong. Many girls have regs who will go "Aw, I don't get to see ModelQ tonight?! Darn. But I know something that'll make her night!" Or on the side of "By me this and I'll love you forever!" it's a similar idea.

It's kind of like when your best friend mentions in passing how bad he/she wants to see "Random Fancy Indie Film" but doesn't want to spend the money. And then you go out and buy it to bring a smile to his/her face.

You might argue that "Well, if that's why it happens it'd happen if she didn't tweet about it!" but sometimes members don't know that ModelQ really wants/needs a dress for that christmas party or the new pokemon game.

 

[Bocefish]

you have to keep in mind the kind of work we're doing. It's emotional work to a degree. Many of our regulars feel an emotional tie to us (and many of us feel an emotional tie to them as well), so saying "I'm going out with friends tonight, offline tips make me smile!"

Does your so-called emotional tie involve somehow compensating them for going out with their friends?

 

[SexySteph]

you have to keep in mind the kind of work we're doing. It's emotional work to a degree. Many of our regulars feel an emotional tie to us (and many of us feel an emotional tie to them as well), so saying "I'm going out with friends tonight, offline tips make me smile!"

Does your so-called emotional tie involve somehow compensating them for going out with their friends?

...Explain?

Also, I don't see members sending offliners or gifts as them "compensating" me, so I'm really unsure what you're saying.

 

[Bocefish]

you have to keep in mind the kind of work we're doing. It's emotional work to a degree. Many of our regulars feel an emotional tie to us (and many of us feel an emotional tie to them as well), so saying "I'm going out with friends tonight, offline tips make me smile!"

Does your so-called emotional tie involve somehow compensating them for going out with their friends?

...Explain?

Also, I don't see members sending offliners or gifts as them "compensating" me, so I'm really unsure what you're saying.

Offline tips to my account would also make me smile.

If you can't see the difference between ASKING/BEGGING for them, nothing I say will make a difference.

 

[mynameisbob84]

you have to keep in mind the kind of work we're doing. It's emotional work to a degree. Many of our regulars feel an emotional tie to us (and many of us feel an emotional tie to them as well), so saying "I'm going out with friends tonight, offline tips make me smile!"

Does your so-called emotional tie involve somehow compensating them for going out with their friends?

...Explain?

Also, I don't see members sending offliners or gifts as them "compensating" me, so I'm really unsure what you're saying.

I think what Bocefish is getting at is that if a member was to tweet "Going out with friends tonight so won't be online, content in my inbox when I get back would be super appreciated" it's unlikely that any model reading that would actually send that member any content.

 

[LilyMarie]

I agree with everything Steph and Isabella have said.
"I'm not on cam tonight, offline tips are awesome / make me happy / rock / are always appreciated" ≠ begging. Is it exactly what it says it is.

Offline-tipping without getting content or services in return is a part of MFC, it happens daily, to many many models. If you're someone who doesn't want to tip models offline "without getting anything in return", then that's totally fine, do what you want with your money - simply don't send offline tips and ignore tweets that mention offline tips. However, other people are different and do not mind offline-tipping "without getting anything" for it.
I'm using quotation marks because in some peoples' eyes the model's openly shown gratitude is not "nothing".

It's the same with gifts. Some members, believe it or not, like giving a model gifts that are gifts by definition - i.e. without the model returning the favor by sending them content.
Again, if you don't belong to those people - don't give models gifts. Easy. That doesn't mean that models aren't allowed to tweet about items they'd like to have - those tweets are directed at other members, those who like giving gifts. If a model tweets about something she'd like to have, without offering "anything" in return, she probably knows that there are people among her followers that were willing to buy her gifts in the past. She's made a positive experience with mentioning items on Twitter before, or having a wishlist. Positive experiences lead to repetition.
It's not hurting or offending anyone and therefore really shouldn't be morally questionable, wrong or annoying. Why would I not accept a gift from somebody? That would be crazy. So I might as well mention a product and maybe somebody wants to buy it for me, maybe not.

Long story short, if you're not interested in giving a model offline tips or gifts, ignore tweets in which a model says she likes offline tips or gifts. It's your money, nobody's taking it from you. Feel free to only tip for content and services. That doesn't mean that all other members are unwilling to ever give offline tips or gifts. The model's tweets are directed at a group of people that you don't belong to and that's totally fine.

 

[SexySteph]

Side comment on the bit about "compensating" members who aren't online that night. If one of my regulars isn't online for a few nights or tweets about being sick and going to bed early normally they get a snapchat from me or a tweet saying "hey feel better!" Or a message on MFC checking on them. And I'd consider that similar to an offline tip of 20 tokens "just to make me smile".

I get that you were being glib but when my members aren't around sometimes they DO get something.

 

[Bocefish]

I have nothing against off-line tips whatsoever, my beef is models begging for them. Spin-it, try to justify it all you want, it's begging for money you did nothing for.

I'm a veteran, you should give me a free show.

 

[mynameisbob84]

Side comment on the bit about "compensating" members who aren't online that night. If one of my regulars isn't online for a few nights or tweets about being sick and going to bed early normally they get a snapchat from me or a tweet saying "hey feel better!" Or a message on MFC checking on them. And I'd consider that similar to an offline tip of 20 tokens "just to make me smile".

I get that you were being glib but when my members aren't around sometimes they DO get something.

And it's cool that you do that. It suggests that you care about your members as people, and I'm sure they care about you in the same way. There's nothing wrong with models and members tipping/sending things to one another and not expecting anything in return. If anything, that kind of thing should be encouraged. It's nice, ya know? But would you still be so willing to send your members snapchats and whatnot if they routinely asked for that stuff for free?

Whenever I've offline tipped a model or bought them a gift card or whatever, I've done so to cheer them up and to surprise them. I've done something for them that I knew they weren't expecting in the hopes that it puts a smile on their face. If they had asked for this stuff first, that element of surprise would be gone. Which for me, is half the point :twocents-02cents:

 

[LilyMarie]

I have nothing against off-line tips whatsoever, my beef is models begging for them. Spin-it, try to justify it all you want, it's begging for money you did nothing for.

I'm a veteran, you should give me a free show.

Nope. It's not begging the way I phrased it at the beginning of my previous post.

 

[Bocefish]

I have nothing against off-line tips whatsoever, my beef is models begging for them. Spin-it, try to justify it all you want, it's begging for money you did nothing for.

I'm a veteran, you should give me a free show.

Nope. It's not begging the way I phrased it at the beginning of my previous post.

It's not begging the way you phrased it? :lol:

People that enjoy giving don't need models begging for it on social media to do so.

 

[Brad]

I have nothing against off-line tips whatsoever, my beef is models begging for them. Spin-it, try to justify it all you want, it's begging for money you did nothing for.

I'm a veteran, you should give me a free show.

I do not agree. For the same reason that I don't buy the cam model/waitress comparison. A cam model may, and often do, spend tons of time every day sending tweets, blogging, posting pictures, exchanging emails/pms, etc. They are NEVER compensated/tipped for everything they do. A waitress is usually tipped by every customer. I know I tip a waitress every time I am served, shy of horrible service which is very rare. I do not tip every time I enjoy model content of some form. It's just not the same thing at all in my opinion.

I really like what Lily posted as I agree with her. IF you are a member that only enjoys tipping to receive something in return then that's fine and stick with that formula. And while I do respect those who use MFC this way it is also nice to receive the same respect as one who doesn't. I do far more offline tipping then I do online. I often tip simply as a way of saying thanks or letting a model know that I appreciate what they do. It is for much more then just what they do on cam. I often don't get to see models on cam but I do get to read their posts, blogs, tweets, etc. anytime I want. So I try and show my appreciation for that.
:-D

 

[Bocefish]

Models publicly asking for off-line tips is like politicians asking for donations. Spin it however you want.

 

[Kokoro]

Begging is something I'm not a fan of. I have been seeing people write some stuff on Tumblr freaking out about how their water is gonna be shut off, need to pay phone bill, etc and just ranting about how upset they are. If I were a potential customer, I would be put off from the fact that they just sound so desperate. I know that's horrible to say but it's just not something people like to see. If I were ever in the shit, I would just advertise the fuck out of my content for sale and cam shows without mentioning the fact that I am struggling. It's just a better business strategy IMO.

Also, when you see models yell at members. There is one model on SM who constantly puts potential customers down frequently and just yells at them. It also attracts trolls, which in turn makes the model angrier and so she just sits there and yells for a long time. When someone wants to start shit with me, I utilize the block button and don't say a word about it.

:twocents-02cents:

 

[Brad]

Models publicly asking for off-line tips is like politicians asking for donations. Spin it however you want.

It is you who is spinning it.

People that enjoy giving don't need models begging for it on social media to do so.

See you are trying to speak for others and worse yet for a group you admittedly do not even belong to. What's the point of your spin there? How do you know what they need?

You may be of the opinion that asking for offline tips is begging but that is only an opinion. There is no fact to be found here no matter how badly you want to support your opinion by saying I am spinning something. (not even sure what I am spinning)

And once again the comparison to a politician is lacking much as the one to a waitress. You can do better then that. How about a musician at least. Now here you can help support them by going to a concert (live like on cam), buying CDs (like pictures or vids), or buying other merchandising or you can hear their music on the radio and basically enjoy them for free. But if you do buy a tee shirt (often sold at concerts and suggested by the artists btw) then that musician is getting money for not doing anything. Oh my, they are all beggars now! Those bastards!!

 

[Bocefish]

Feed me...

I'm not doing shit tonight, offline tips are awesome / make me happy / rock / are always appreciated.

Right on! :thumbleft: :handgestures-salute:

GFY!

 

[Brad]

Begging is something I'm not a fan of. I have been seeing people write some stuff on Tumblr freaking out about how their water is gonna be shut off, need to pay phone bill, etc and just ranting about how upset they are. If I were a potential customer, I would be put off from the fact that they just sound so desperate. I know that's horrible to say but it's just not something people like to see. If I were ever in the shit, I would just advertise the fuck out of my content for sale and cam shows without mentioning the fact that I am struggling. It's just a better business strategy IMO.
:twocents-02cents:

For the record this is not what I have been referring to. I am replying to the opinion that simply asking for offline tips via social media is akin to begging and (especially) getting money for nothing. I wouldn't even be a fan of the type of model you illustrated. Good point and example as I have seen that behavior before so you did nail it and that is begging in my opinion.
:thumbleft:

 

[Gen]

Begging is something I'm not a fan of. I have been seeing people write some stuff on Tumblr freaking out about how their water is gonna be shut off, need to pay phone bill, etc and just ranting about how upset they are. If I were a potential customer, I would be put off from the fact that they just sound so desperate. I know that's horrible to say but it's just not something people like to see. If I were ever in the shit, I would just advertise the fuck out of my content for sale and cam shows without mentioning the fact that I am struggling. It's just a better business strategy IMO.

:twocents-02cents:

My friend is in business communications, and was telling me that sympathy is so emotionally expensive that often times you might get what you want, but the person won't think highly of you afterwards, as in they don't want to help you because THEY want to but because it's weighed so heavily on them. So it is generally a one time thing, in this case someone might help you out because they feel guilty or obligated, but most times they won't help you again.

I think about that a lot when I see girls repeatedly having emergencies. Of course emergencies do happen, but if it's every month, that's not so good. But I do think there's a big difference between begging and asking - the difference between "I'm not feeling well so I won't be on, but offline tips are great!" vs "guys my water will be SHUT OFF if you don't buy my vids/tip me, do you want me to be without water?! I've only had $10 in sales today, that's not enough". (However, I've also asked for offline tips before so I'm definitely biased in that I wouldn't do it in a way I thought was begging. But I can see where you guys are coming from, on all sides.)

One of my own personal pet peeves is models who have emergencies (in terms of "rent is overdue" or "need money for my water bill", not "broken leg, in the hospital" or something that prevents you from working), but they don't increase their hours on cam or upload lots of content and stuff. It doesn't really make sense to me. I see it a lot with people saying they are short on money so please buy clips or videos, but they aren't producing anything new. I think that's just a bit silly.

Also, apparently according to this business friend of mine, flattery is the most effective way to get what you want, but it has to be sincere :-D

 

[Brad]

Feed me...

I'm not doing shit tonight, offline tips are awesome / make me happy / rock / are always appreciated.

Right on! :thumbleft: :handgestures-salute:

GFY!

So are you saying that you only ever tip for something you are tangibly receiving right there and then? I guess I don't follow you at all. Do you not enjoy anything a model does other then her actions on cam or pictures or videos? And I haven't even pointed out that we are discussing a tip. Not a payment but a tip. It must just be semantics I guess as they really aren't tips but payments so I am paying for nothing. Is that what you think?
:scratch:

 

[Bocefish]

Feed me...

I'm not doing shit tonight, offline tips are awesome / make me happy / rock / are always appreciated.

Right on! :thumbleft: :handgestures-salute:

GFY!

So are you saying that you only ever tip for something you are tangibly receiving right there and then? I guess I don't follow you at all. Do you not enjoy anything a model does other then her actions on cam or pictures or videos? And I haven't even pointed out that we are discussing a tip. Not a payment but a tip. It must just be semantics I guess as they really aren't tips but payments so I am paying for nothing. Is that what you think?

No, I'm saying you are a flipping idiot.

 

[Eden01]

It's the same with gifts. Some members, believe it or not, like giving a model gifts that are gifts by definition - i.e. without the model returning the favor by sending them content.

Some crazy members actually occasionally tip models because they like their posts here! Crazy!

 

[JoleneBrody]

I think their is a big difference between a friendly reminder that offline tipping is even an option "offline tips are always awesome" and the sob story begging or guilt tripping "offline tip me for my bills sob story sob story" or "OMG I can't believe I haven't received a single offline tip today!" Even on cam live sometimes a reminder that tipping is even an option is nessicary to bring up. It's really hard for me to see the first example of a polite reminder as "begging."

I don't think it's a secret that majority of the off cam work a model puts into keeping her followers entertained off cam is often gone unappreciated. It's just reality that in order to maintain a successful paid cam show you have to put in a LOT of un- paid hours off cam. I'm fairly certain this is pretty well understood by most cam models but I'm mostly bringing it up against the "for nothing" point. Twitter, Vine, Tumblr, MFC mail, Email, Kik, Snapchat... It is work for us even though we are not actively paid for it and sometimes I think members have a hard time remembering that their down time/entertainment is our work. It's part of the biz but It basically makes reminding nicely that offline tips are neato for whatever they want to tip for never "for nothing." Chances are anyone who actually cares about what that model is tweeting, tumbling, kik'ing or snap'ing has probably enjoyed a fair bit of free off cam entertainment from that model. This doesn't mean you are obligated to tip a model for enjoying her off cam entertainment in the free form she presents it, anymore than watching a show in free chat obligates you... but some people like to do it and when that extra effort is put forth by the model to provide the entertainment... it is nice for her to feel appreciated. And just like tipping during a public show, sometimes a little reminder that's it's cool doesn't hurt.

Again this is just my opinion on the polite "offline tips are always appreciated/awesome" tweets and not the sob story/guilt tripping.

 

[Misono]

Don't think this is covered by other posts, but models who use the tag "English". Fine, English is a language. But it's the main language of the site. If none of my regular rooms I visit are online, I try to find other English models to maybe look at, see what's going on, and have a laugh and a joke. It's not as fun to have to wade through several overseas models, not that I have anything against them.

If you go to the bottom of the page you can uncheck nationalities you want omit from your search. So if you just want to see what English models are online, just uncheck every nationality other than UK.

Unsure how I never noticed that in the 3 years I've been around...

Ohhhhh dear........ :?
:lol:

Silence, you.

 

[Anonymous]

No, I'm saying you are a flipping idiot.

Why be nasty? :dontknow:

 

[mynameisbob84]

I think their is a big difference between a friendly reminder that offline tipping is even an option "offline tips are always awesome" and the sob story begging or guilt tripping "offline tip me for my bills sob story sob story" or "OMG I can't believe I haven't received a single offline tip today!" Even on cam live sometimes a reminder that tipping is even an option is nessicary to bring up. It's really hard for me to see the first example of a polite reminder as "begging."

I don't think it's a secret that majority of the off cam work a model puts into keeping her followers entertained off cam is often gone unappreciated. It's just reality that in order to maintain a successful paid cam show you have to put in a LOT of un- paid hours off cam. I'm fairly certain this is pretty well understood by most cam models but I'm mostly bringing it up against the "for nothing" point. Twitter, Vine, Tumblr, MFC mail, Email, Kik, Snapchat... It is work for us even though we are not actively paid for it and sometimes I think members have a hard time remembering that their down time/entertainment is our work. It's part of the biz but It basically makes reminding nicely that offline tips are neato for whatever they want to tip for never "for nothing." Chances are anyone who actually cares about what that model is tweeting, tumbling, kik'ing or snap'ing has probably enjoyed a fair bit of free off cam entertainment from that model. This doesn't mean you are obligated to tip a model for enjoying her off cam entertainment in the free form she presents it, anymore than watching a show in free chat obligates you... but some people like to do it and when that extra effort is put forth by the model to provide the entertainment... it is nice for her to feel appreciated. And just like tipping during a public show, sometimes a little reminder that's it's cool doesn't hurt.

Again this is just my opinion on the polite "offline tips are always appreciated/awesome" tweets and not the sob story/guilt tripping.

Largely playing devil's advocate here but could it not be argued that by tweeting, vining, snapchatting, etc. a model is maintaining her brand and implicitly marketing herself? By posting sexy pics and witty tweets and being personable off cam, she's increasing the likelihood that her followers will continue to visit her cam room and hopefully, tip her. As such, the compensation comes in the form of members frequenting her room and tipping when they can. Or it could be that she simply enjoys tweeting and talking to her members off cam.

I'd liken it to the @eat24 twitter account. It's funny, it's witty, it's smart and it's entertaining. Just like a lot of model twitter feeds. And just like model twitter accounts, that account is set up to market a service, to establish a brand and promote customer loyalty. But if @eat24 were to send out a tweet tonight saying "Even if you're not using our service tonight, if you enjoy our tweets, feel free to send us a donation", I think it would turn a lot of people off.

Ultimately it's a small thing and in no way is it a big enough of a negative to outweigh the positives of the average cam girl twitter feed. And evidently it's not something that everyone is even remotely bothered by and I might well be in the minority. I just think that "won't be on cam tonight but remember you can offline tip for videos/pic sets/whatever" will always look better "won't be working tonight but remember you can offline tip anyway". And the former is infinitely more likely to inspire me to offline tip something, even if I don't have enough for the content offered :twocents-02cents:

 

[JerryBoBerry]

No, I'm saying you are a flipping idiot.

Why be nasty? :dontknow:

I tend to look at ACF as a sort of extended family. Sometimes family just gets on each other's nerves. :lol:

 

[Anonymous]

I tend to look at ACF as a sort of extended family. Sometimes family just gets on each other's nerves. :lol:

It doesn't excuse him calling Brad an 'idiot' though. Many of the ACF posters are able to disagree with others without resorting to name-calling.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

Asking for offline tips usually comes across as beggar behavior to me. "Hey guys I won't be around to entertain and hang out with ya but please give me money anyway" is how it usually sounds to me. Offering something for offline tips isn't beggary to me tho.

-Models that tweet every thought they have.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

No, I'm saying you are a flipping idiot.

Why be nasty? :dontknow:

I tend to look at ACF as a sort of extended family. Sometimes family just gets on each other's nerves. :lol:

Still no need to be so vocal about it just because someone has a different opinion to you.

In this situation, sure I can understand it might bother some members. But I also know many members who like it when models do this. Personally if I actually want/need offline tips I'll put something about video sales, but I am sure I've also mentioned offline tips being appreciated. I don't think it's begging because I'm not asking for offline tips. I'm just informing people that if they did choose to tip me offline it would be very appreciated when I next come online. I really don't see why this is such a big deal, and no, it is not begging. Why is it not begging? Because it doesn't fit into the definition of begging. Doing this the model isn't even asking for tips, they're just saying that if anyone were to do it that it'd be amazing. Technically that's not even saying "I'm not going to do anything for tips but tip me anyway". You're saying that this person will get a very warm thank you, lots of gratitude and generally a bit extra attention when you next come online for their generosity. That's not offering them nothing, that's offering them something that isn't a physical object. It's more a "you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours". It's not instant gratification, but I don't see it as an issue.

Actually, I don't think asking a member straight out for tokens is necessarily begging. If a friend asked me for money etc then I wouldn't consider it begging, I'd consider it a friend asking for help. If a total stranger asked me for money, then yes, that would be begging. To be fair I have very rarely ever actually asked anyone for tokens, and they've always been regulars and I've always offered something in return. The only times I can think of it is when I need like 6 tokens to get me to my goal, or occasionally if I'm perving with a friend member on my prem account I have asked if they could transfer tokens, though I don't feel it's necessarily for nothing as they get to enjoy the fun of having a perv partner, and sometimes I'll get on cam on my prem account for it.

Begging for me would definitely be whining/guilt tripping, and continuing on at it, it also usually comes when you start asking a stranger/someone you don't know well for money and offering nothing in return. It completely depends on how it's done.

Say if a model's twitter were constantly "Not going to be online tonight, feel free to offline tip me", and I mean not just a one off occasional thing, I mean all the time and several tweets every time, then yeah, that'd be begging. But a vague reminder every now and then, like once or twice a week on a day off, then I really don't see the big deal. Especially as some members clearly don't mind it as they do often respond to these reminders by tipping.

I mean I've seen members who have set up wishlists on their twitters. They offer nothing to me, not tokens, I'm not particularly interested in anything they tweet, I don't get any entertainment off them, but I still don't think them posting their wishlist "in case anyone wants to buy something off it" is begging. Deluded? Yes. But begging? No. I just ignore it. And in a model's case it isn't even deluded as loads of guys do like to buy stuff off wishlists of models they like and tip them offline.

Like I said before, sometimes the model IS offering something, but what she's offering doesn't have a physical form. It's implied that if someone offline tips that he'll get extra appreciation from her, and seeing as most models have content on their profiles, it's not even saying that the offline tip has to be "just because", in reminding people that they can offline tip, in that it reminds people they can buy stuff offline as well as online. And because twitter is so indirect, members can choose to ignore the hint or go for it.

@Punk- I'll second the tweeting every thought, but this goes for EVERYONE! I cannot stand it when people use things like twitter as a personal diary. I don't mind if it's funny/interesting stuff, but if it's either boring or just whiney/woe is me then it is annoying. To be honest I'm not enormously interesting on twitter, but I don't tweet that many tweets. For me it's more to keep people up to date and occasionally tell them things I've been up to.