What is the most annoying thing a model can do?

[PunkInDrublic]

It doesn't excuse him calling Brad an 'idiot' though. Many of the ACF posters are able to disagree with others without resorting to name-calling.

lmao you can't be serious with this shit. You call people names in like half the posts you make. Everyones either a scumbag, jizzbag(lol), douchebag, or some other insult.

 

[Nordling]

It doesn't excuse him calling Brad an 'idiot' though. Many of the ACF posters are able to disagree with others without resorting to name-calling.

lmao you can't be serious with this shit. You call people names in like half the posts you make. Everyones either a scumbag, jizzbag(lol), douchebag, or some other insult.

Now you're just making that up.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

Now you're just making that up.

Oh yeah? So the hundreds of posts that she has here where she calls someone a name are make believe? I guess I'm living in fantasy land. My apologies, I must have made it all up.

 

[Brad]

Feed me...

I'm not doing shit tonight, offline tips are awesome / make me happy / rock / are always appreciated.

Right on! :thumbleft: :handgestures-salute:

GFY!

So are you saying that you only ever tip for something you are tangibly receiving right there and then? I guess I don't follow you at all. Do you not enjoy anything a model does other then her actions on cam or pictures or videos? And I haven't even pointed out that we are discussing a tip. Not a payment but a tip. It must just be semantics I guess as they really aren't tips but payments so I am paying for nothing. Is that what you think?

No, I'm saying you are a flipping idiot.

No, actually you are not saying that at all. In fact when I ask you a valid question all I get in return is nonsense rather then an actual answer so that pretty much tells me all I need to know. Nice try but I don't get bothered by name calling or at least by your attempt. If you just don't get it then that's OK. No need to get pissy and call people names over it. Next time just say what you mean instead of trying to be clever.

 

[Brad]

Now back to the topic. Reading through the thread shows that everyone may have a different opinion of what is begging. I expected that and it is one of the reasons I won't make blanket statements that cover anytime a model posts anything about offline tips in any form of social media. I am careful to not say never and always. The older I get the more often I am proven wrong with exceptions to absolutes. I see far more grey then black and white.

If someone believes that ANYTIME a model asks for offline tips makes them a beggar then that is your opinion and while I do not agree with it, I do understand it. I believe they are many times when it is fine and other times when it comes across as begging. I could give all sorts of examples but it doesn't matter as this is just opinion anyway. In my mind this is no different then the discussions of models asking for tips while on cam. Simple as that.
:twocents-02cents:

 

[JoleneBrody]

I think their is a big difference between a friendly reminder that offline tipping is even an option "offline tips are always awesome" and the sob story begging or guilt tripping "offline tip me for my bills sob story sob story" or "OMG I can't believe I haven't received a single offline tip today!" Even on cam live sometimes a reminder that tipping is even an option is nessicary to bring up. It's really hard for me to see the first example of a polite reminder as "begging."

I don't think it's a secret that majority of the off cam work a model puts into keeping her followers entertained off cam is often gone unappreciated. It's just reality that in order to maintain a successful paid cam show you have to put in a LOT of un- paid hours off cam. I'm fairly certain this is pretty well understood by most cam models but I'm mostly bringing it up against the "for nothing" point. Twitter, Vine, Tumblr, MFC mail, Email, Kik, Snapchat... It is work for us even though we are not actively paid for it and sometimes I think members have a hard time remembering that their down time/entertainment is our work. It's part of the biz but It basically makes reminding nicely that offline tips are neato for whatever they want to tip for never "for nothing." Chances are anyone who actually cares about what that model is tweeting, tumbling, kik'ing or snap'ing has probably enjoyed a fair bit of free off cam entertainment from that model. This doesn't mean you are obligated to tip a model for enjoying her off cam entertainment in the free form she presents it, anymore than watching a show in free chat obligates you... but some people like to do it and when that extra effort is put forth by the model to provide the entertainment... it is nice for her to feel appreciated. And just like tipping during a public show, sometimes a little reminder that's it's cool doesn't hurt.

Again this is just my opinion on the polite "offline tips are always appreciated/awesome" tweets and not the sob story/guilt tripping.

Largely playing devil's advocate here but could it not be argued that by tweeting, vining, snapchatting, etc. a model is maintaining her brand and implicitly marketing herself? By posting sexy pics and witty tweets and being personable off cam, she's increasing the likelihood that her followers will continue to visit her cam room and hopefully, tip her. As such, the compensation comes in the form of members frequenting her room and tipping when they can. Or it could be that she simply enjoys tweeting and talking to her members off cam.

I'd liken it to the @eat24 twitter account. It's funny, it's witty, it's smart and it's entertaining. Just like a lot of model twitter feeds. And just like model twitter accounts, that account is set up to market a service, to establish a brand and promote customer loyalty. But if @eat24 were to send out a tweet tonight saying "Even if you're not using our service tonight, if you enjoy our tweets, feel free to send us a donation", I think it would turn a lot of people off.

Ultimately it's a small thing and in no way is it a big enough of a negative to outweigh the positives of the average cam girl twitter feed. And evidently it's not something that everyone is even remotely bothered by and I might well be in the minority. I just think that "won't be on cam tonight but remember you can offline tip for videos/pic sets/whatever" will always look better "won't be working tonight but remember you can offline tip anyway". And the former is infinitely more likely to inspire me to offline tip something, even if I don't have enough for the content offered :twocents-02cents:

I feel like you maybe misunderstood my post because that is all basically exactly what I was saying.
Again I think the comparison to @eat24 is wonky. It's not comparable at all because eat24 is not an entertainer but honestly, I wouldn't be turned off in the slightest if they started some sort of fund drive via twitter for something, especially if the end result is benefiting the business as a whole and stands to likely ensure the longevity of the business that I enjoy but I would totally understand if someone didn't want to participate.

But yeah marketing, enjoying doing it... That doesn't mean it's not still work and that doesn't mean it doesn't often go unappreciated.
Like I said, It's a pretty understood thing among models that in order to have a successful live cam show how have to put in way more hours in off cam, un-paid work. That doesn't mean that it's can't be enjoyable but it's still very time and life consuming and it's STILL work and my point about it being "for doing nothing" still stands. It is never for nothing.
And that's just twitter we just talked about, that not the massive amount of one on one attention. Again, it doesn't have to be unpleasant in order for it to be considered work and deserving of compensation. A little hint to the masses is a lot less beggy than individually asking each member who has taken up one on one time to offline tip.

I really wish people would get this "but if you enjoy it you shouldn't expect to be paid" idea out of their heads. It poison and it's bad for the world. Too many people settle for work they hate because they think it's just expected, everyone hates their job so why bother following their dreams? Stop it, knock it off, quit it!
Before all hope and sense of adventure and excitement for life is lost!

I would like to add that I personally don't feel comfortable mentioning offline tips without something being offered in return but (mostly Boce's) argument about it being for "doing nothing" struck a nerve with me.

 

[LaceyRoyce]

I'm just going to leave this here:

It might be annoying but I also know that some of the models I see specifically posting on twitter with repeat emergencies, begging for tips or "OMG no offline love yet?? wtf!" do it because it works. Most girls don't continue any strategy unless it is working for them.

 

[AmberCutie]

It doesn't excuse him calling Brad an 'idiot' though. Many of the ACF posters are able to disagree with others without resorting to name-calling.

lmao you can't be serious with this shit. You call people names in like half the posts you make. Everyones either a scumbag, jizzbag(lol), douchebag, or some other insult.

Now you're just making that up.

:lol: He's actually not. Well I dunno about "half the posts" but the rest is accurate. To be fair "jizzbag" is a pretty funny name to call people, so I can see why she does it so frequently. We are all guilty of some name calling at some point, anyway.

But if we're going with the family analogy, I'll chime in and say that yes, Boce is like the drunk uncle of the ACF family.

 

[Anonymous]

lmao you can't be serious with this shit. You call people names in like half the posts you make. Everyones either a scumbag, jizzbag(lol), douchebag, or some other insult.

In half the posts I make...really? If you're referring to my posts in threads like 'Things members say that make you go wtf?', then yeah, a lot of people on this forum post in that thread and refer to those crazy members as 'freeloaders', 'douchebags', etc. So don't you dare act like it's just me.

That's certainly better than coming on here calling people 'idiots' just because I disagree with them.

Also, I've been doing very good about ignoring your trolling, negative posts, so kindly fuck off and stop messing up this thread with your childish, catty bullshit.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

lmao@changing your post because it was basically just insults.

 

[Anonymous]

lmao@changing your post because it was basically just insults.

If telling it like it is and calling you out for the troll you are is an insult, then so be it. Just once I'd like to see you post something positive on here, but I won't hold my breath.

 

[Just Me]

I know this is a message board and there will always be different opinions. Bocefish listed the most annoying things a model can do per the OP, yet many want to argue or jump on his choice of words on what is annoying to him. In his opinion, asking for offline tips is begging and by the definition of the word beg it is true. We attach good and bad to words for some reason and apparently saying beg is bad and ask is good, although both words mean essentially the same thing. It seems a lot of the more heated exchanges here come about due to personal feelings on what certain words mean and not what the actual definition of a word is.

beg
verb
gerund or present participle: begging
1.
ask (someone) earnestly or humbly for something.
"I begged him for mercy"
synonyms: implore, entreat, plead with, appeal to, supplicate, pray to, importune; More
ask for (something) earnestly or humbly.
"he begged their forgiveness"
synonyms: ask for, request, plead for, appeal for, call for, sue for, solicit, seek, press for More
ask formally for (permission to do something).
"I will now beg leave to make some observations"
2.
ask for something, typically food or money, as charity or a gift.
"a young woman was begging in the street"

 

[wjr3]

I don't think it's a secret that majority of the off cam work a model puts into keeping her followers entertained off cam is often gone unappreciated.

Chances are anyone who actually cares about what that model is tweeting, tumbling, kik'ing or snap'ing has probably enjoyed a fair bit of free off cam entertainment from that model. This doesn't mean you are obligated to tip a model for enjoying her off cam entertainment in the free form she presents it, anymore than watching a show in free chat obligates you... but some people like to do it and when that extra effort is put forth by the model to provide the entertainment... it is nice for her to feel appreciated.

I truly value any off-cam time that a model provides. If she reaches out to me with a Twitter mention or a "Hello! HRU?" via email/PM/chat, that excites me -- perhaps more than a flash of the most beautiful tits. A simple reply to an email that I've sent also makes a difference to me. And I show my appreciation accordingly, sometimes off-line, sometimes the next time she gets online.

A reminder that "Offline tips are awesome" is fine for some fans, but I just ignore it. If a model has given me reasons to think about her when she's not on cam, she'll reap the benefits without the need for any prompting.

 

[Lanie Love]

Guuuuuys! Stop for a second and smile It's not that serious.

Anyway, the whole "camgirls begging on Twitter thing" slightly makes me uneasy just at the thought of someone getting mad at a camgirl for doing her job. AKA marketing herself. Twitter is about 80% marketing for us and 20% fun, keeping in touch with fans and friends, etc. It's NOT begging, it's reminding you of WHY you're following us, WHAT we do, and HOW you can see more. Just as any business that uses Twitter. I know you guys think we're just little sex robots doing all this shit for free, but of course (as any marketing strategy goes) there's always hope for income. Amount of traffic reached and sales overall is what we look at. Exactly what Jolene said, yes we LOVE our job, yes we LOVE making you happy, but we can't and don't do it for nothing. So as it may seem like begging, we are just letting our followers know how else they can enjoy us off cam. NOT begging, marketing. When you're watching tv and that Pepsi commercial comes on that says "don't forget guys, Pepsi is having a sale!", is Pepsi begging for your business? No, they are reminding you how you can benefit from their services.

I hope this gives you guys an understanding! Don't get me wrong, I love posting on Twitter and making my followers happy, it's not ALL for money, but of course it helps

 

[mynameisbob84]

I feel like you maybe misunderstood my post because that is all basically exactly what I was saying.

Again I think the comparison to @eat24 is wonky. It's not comparable at all because eat24 is not an entertainer but honestly, I wouldn't be turned off in the slightest if they started some sort of fund drive via twitter for something, especially if the end result is benefiting the business as a whole and stands to likely ensure the longevity of the business that I enjoy but I would totally understand if someone didn't want to participate.

But yeah marketing, enjoying doing it... That doesn't mean it's not still work and that doesn't mean it doesn't often go unappreciated.

Like I said, It's a pretty understood thing among models that in order to have a successful live cam show how have to put in way more hours in off cam, un-paid work. That doesn't mean that it's can't be enjoyable but it's still very time and life consuming and it's STILL work and my point about it being "for doing nothing" still stands. It is never for nothing.
And that's just twitter we just talked about, that not the massive amount of one on one attention. Again, it doesn't have to be unpleasant in order for it to be considered work and deserving of compensation. A little hint to the masses is a lot less beggy than individually asking each member who has taken up one on one time to offline tip.

I really wish people would get this "but if you enjoy it you shouldn't expect to be paid" idea out of their heads. It poison and it's bad for the world. Too many people settle for work they hate because they think it's just expected, everyone hates their job so why bother following their dreams? Stop it, knock it off, quit it!
Before all hope and sense of adventure and excitement for life is lost!

I would like to add that I personally don't feel comfortable mentioning offline tips without something being offered in return but (mostly Boce's) argument about it being for "doing nothing" struck a nerve with me.

I just read your first post back and yeah, you're right. I basically reiterated what you said and presented it as a counterpoint. I be dumb sometimes :-D


I guess some members will be put off by a model asking for offline tips without offering something tangible (digital?) in return while other members are more than willing to send a model offline tips/wishlist purchases when she asks for them. I think it's possible for members to acknowledge and appreciate the behind the scenes work a model puts into her profession and be happy to show that appreciation with offline tips and gifts but still not like being prompted to do so and be less likely to do so if a model is routinely tweeting about offline tips. Conversely, some members might need the reminder before they actually tip. And some members might believe that the tokens they tip in a model's room are sufficient. You can't please all the people all the time.

As for models being deserving of compensation for all that they do and tips never truly being "for nothing", I think you're fundamentally correct but there are instances where it's not as cut and dry as that, especially when you look at things from the member's perspective. I'm sure models have members they genuinely enjoy talking to for example. If a model talks to that member outside of her room, is that member then expected to compensate the model? From the model's perspective, she may have enjoyed talking to him, but technically she's sacrificed her spare time to give that member some one-on-one attention and time = money. From the member's perspective, he was just enjoying a conversation with a model whose room he enjoys spending time in and who he tips when he can. Was she only talking to him because it's part of her job to keep her regulars happy or was she talking to him because she enjoys talking to him? If it's the latter, does he truly owe her anything? If it's the former, should he be taking up any more of her time? And thus a can of worms is opened...

But yes, I agree that no tip is truly for "nothing". I don't tip for content and aren't all that fussed about countdowns so when I tip a model "just because" it's really for her time and for her company and to show a tiny bit of appreciation for her efforts to keep me (and the room) entertained. In order to truly tip a model "for nothing", I'd have to offline tip a model whose room I've never been in and whose twitter I'd never seen and who, until that moment, I had no idea existed.

 

[JoleneBrody]

I feel like you maybe misunderstood my post because that is all basically exactly what I was saying.

Again I think the comparison to @eat24 is wonky. It's not comparable at all because eat24 is not an entertainer but honestly, I wouldn't be turned off in the slightest if they started some sort of fund drive via twitter for something, especially if the end result is benefiting the business as a whole and stands to likely ensure the longevity of the business that I enjoy but I would totally understand if someone didn't want to participate.

But yeah marketing, enjoying doing it... That doesn't mean it's not still work and that doesn't mean it doesn't often go unappreciated.

Like I said, It's a pretty understood thing among models that in order to have a successful live cam show how have to put in way more hours in off cam, un-paid work. That doesn't mean that it's can't be enjoyable but it's still very time and life consuming and it's STILL work and my point about it being "for doing nothing" still stands. It is never for nothing.
And that's just twitter we just talked about, that not the massive amount of one on one attention. Again, it doesn't have to be unpleasant in order for it to be considered work and deserving of compensation. A little hint to the masses is a lot less beggy than individually asking each member who has taken up one on one time to offline tip.

I really wish people would get this "but if you enjoy it you shouldn't expect to be paid" idea out of their heads. It poison and it's bad for the world. Too many people settle for work they hate because they think it's just expected, everyone hates their job so why bother following their dreams? Stop it, knock it off, quit it!
Before all hope and sense of adventure and excitement for life is lost!

I would like to add that I personally don't feel comfortable mentioning offline tips without something being offered in return but (mostly Boce's) argument about it being for "doing nothing" struck a nerve with me.

I just read your first post back and yeah, you're right. I basically reiterated what you said and presented it as a counterpoint. I be dumb sometimes :-D


I guess some members will be put off by a model asking for offline tips without offering something tangible (digital?) in return while other members are more than willing to send a model offline tips/wishlist purchases when she asks for them. I think it's possible for members to acknowledge and appreciate the behind the scenes work a model puts into her profession and be happy to show that appreciation with offline tips and gifts but still not like being prompted to do so and be less likely to do so if a model is routinely tweeting about offline tips. Conversely, some members might need the reminder before they actually tip. And some members might believe that the tokens they tip in a model's room are sufficient. You can't please all the people all the time.

As for models being deserving of compensation for all that they do and tips never truly being "for nothing", I think you're fundamentally correct but there are instances where it's not as cut and dry as that, especially when you look at things from the member's perspective. I'm sure models have members they genuinely enjoy talking to for example. If a model talks to that member outside of her room, is that member then expected to compensate the model? From the model's perspective, she may have enjoyed talking to him, but technically she's sacrificed her spare time to give that member some one-on-one attention and time = money. From the member's perspective, he was just enjoying a conversation with a model whose room he enjoys spending time in and who he tips when he can. Was she only talking to him because it's part of her job to keep her regulars happy or was she talking to him because she enjoys talking to him? If it's the latter, does he truly owe her anything? If it's the former, should he be taking up any more of her time? And thus a can of worms is opened...

But yes, I agree that no tip is truly for "nothing". I don't tip for content and aren't all that fussed about countdowns so when I tip a model "just because" it's really for her time and for her company and to show a tiny bit of appreciation for her efforts to keep me (and the room) entertained. In order to truly tip a model "for nothing", I'd have to offline tip a model whose room I've never been in and whose twitter I'd never seen and who, until that moment, I had no idea existed.

Counterpoints are rad though on their own so I still appreciate the post and the points you have made. This forum is so great for being able to get a peak and view at both sides of things because they are so incredibly different.

I've had so many members respond to an offline tip offer asking for help on how to do it because they didn't know it was even an option, that I guess from my view I always assume a large sum of people don't even know it's a thing.

Character limits and a need to not get overly wordy and specific (a rather large problem of mine. ) probably come up a lot too.

 

[Nordling]

It doesn't excuse him calling Brad an 'idiot' though. Many of the ACF posters are able to disagree with others without resorting to name-calling.

lmao you can't be serious with this shit. You call people names in like half the posts you make. Everyones either a scumbag, jizzbag(lol), douchebag, or some other insult.

Now you're just making that up.

:lol: He's actually not. Well I dunno about "half the posts" but the rest is accurate. To be fair "jizzbag" is a pretty funny name to call people, so I can see why she does it so frequently. We are all guilty of some name calling at some point, anyway.

But if we're going with the family analogy, I'll chime in and say that yes, Boce is like the drunk uncle of the ACF family.

What he made up is the implication that she calls ACF members names "half the time." A few times? Sure, few of us haven't. But applying a nasty name to a douche on MFC is not equal to calling an ACF member a name, and that is what Bocefish did...with no justification.

And to those who say, "lighten up--it's not that serious," fine but why say it to just one side, why not say it to the original person who made the nasty insult?

 

[AmberCutie]

It doesn't excuse him calling Brad an 'idiot' though. Many of the ACF posters are able to disagree with others without resorting to name-calling.

lmao you can't be serious with this shit. You call people names in like half the posts you make. Everyones either a scumbag, jizzbag(lol), douchebag, or some other insult.

Now you're just making that up.

:lol: He's actually not. Well I dunno about "half the posts" but the rest is accurate. To be fair "jizzbag" is a pretty funny name to call people, so I can see why she does it so frequently. We are all guilty of some name calling at some point, anyway.

But if we're going with the family analogy, I'll chime in and say that yes, Boce is like the drunk uncle of the ACF family.

What he made up is the implication that she calls ACF members names "half the time." A few times? Sure, few of us haven't. But applying a nasty name to a douche on MFC is not equal to calling an ACF member a name, and that is what Bocefish did...with no justification.

And to those who say, "lighten up--it's not that serious," fine but why say it to just one side, why not say it to the original person who made the nasty insult?

I'm pretty sure her comment was to the general audience of this whole thread.

And while it would seem I am singling out the people specifically in the quotes I used, in general, I will say it's funny when people jump in to a thread with the SOLE PURPOSE of scolding someone for name-calling when they themselves have done it frequently in the past and hadn't even been a part of the conversation previously. The only person entitled to do that without seeming hypocritical is me, since I'm the owner/moderator/administrator.

 

[mynameisbob84]

Counterpoints are rad though on their own so I still appreciate the post and the points you have made. This forum is so great for being able to get a peak and view at both sides of things because they are so incredibly different.

Fo sho. It's always good to look at things from a different perspective and there's always more than one way to look at things :thumbleft:

 

[JerryBoBerry]

Fo sho. It's always good to look at things from a different perspective and there's always more than one way to look at things :thumbleft:

Generally known as 'my way' and 'everyone else's wrong way.' :lol: :mrgreen:

 

[Anonymous]

I will say it's funny when people jump in to a thread with the SOLE PURPOSE of scolding someone for name-calling when they themselves have done it frequently in the past and hadn't even been a part of the conversation previously.

Sometimes I might not have anything to add to a thread, especially when other posters have already summed up my thoughts on the topic so well. So instead I might just thank their posts instead of responding. And you're right...I didn't have to jump into the thread to comment on Bocefish's post. I just figured Brad gave his opinion like everyone else, and didn't have to be called an 'idiot' for it. :dontknow:

Also, what's so bad about using the term 'douchebag' when it's being used in threads like 'Members behaving badly', etc. (Isn't that pretty much a thread about douchebags?)? Especially when many of you use those same terms to describe annoying MFC members. But for some reason, when I do it it's mean? Seems to me that being a model on here who's a bit outspoken about cam site occurrences (and using the word 'douchebag' in vent threads) is frowned upon and makes one a bitch.

Please delete my account on here, Amber...and thank you. I'm tired of having to defend myself against instigating trolls (PunkInDrublic), and his fan club acting like he can do no wrong.

 

[Sevrin]

Please delete my account on here, Amber...and thank you. I'm tired of having to defend myself against instigating trolls (PunkInDrublic), and his fan club acting like he can do no wrong.

Don't go.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

I know this is a message board and there will always be different opinions. Bocefish listed the most annoying things a model can do per the OP, yet many want to argue or jump on his choice of words on what is annoying to him. In his opinion, asking for offline tips is begging and by the definition of the word beg it is true. We attach good and bad to words for some reason and apparently saying beg is bad and ask is good, although both words mean essentially the same thing. It seems a lot of the more heated exchanges here come about due to personal feelings on what certain words mean and not what the actual definition of a word is.

beg
verb
gerund or present participle: begging
1.
ask (someone) earnestly or humbly for something.
"I begged him for mercy"
synonyms: implore, entreat, plead with, appeal to, supplicate, pray to, importune; More
ask for (something) earnestly or humbly.
"he begged their forgiveness"
synonyms: ask for, request, plead for, appeal for, call for, sue for, solicit, seek, press for More
ask formally for (permission to do something).
"I will now beg leave to make some observations"
2.
ask for something, typically food or money, as charity or a gift.
"a young woman was begging in the street"

I also looked up the dictionary reference, and this is the thing, if you're talking about a model directly asking someone for tips etc for nothing in return then yes, that could be begging. That would fit the reference. Saying "Offline tips are awesome!" or "Here's my wishlist in case anyone fancies buying me something", or even "I really want to buy xyz" doesn't fit the category of begging. You're not asking someone earnestly or humbly, and you're not directly asking for it as charity or a gift.

It's more like, I might mention to my boyfriend or a member of my family something that I would really quite like that I think they might have an interest in buying for me. Is that begging? No, it's mentioning something and that person can choose to take you up on it or not.
It also might be similar to say on facebook asking if anyone can give you a lift/mentioning they need a lift somewhere, or needs an item and is checking if anyone has one to spare. You're not offering them anything in return, but it's still not begging, people can choose if they're interested in doing whatever for you or not. It would start being begging if that person continuously posted on their wall and other people's walls asking for stuff.
I also don't think it's begging when friends mention they're doing a fundraiser and ask for donations.

If you read into the definition more closely and read the examples they use and the synonyms you'll see that the word "beg" is not the correct word for this situation.

I'm not denying that there are definitely models who beg for tips, or at least have begged for tips. But in the examples that people have been giving, those just don't fit the definition of the word. If it did then everyone in the world would be guilty of begging and would do it constantly. It'd mean every time you ask anyone for anything that in fact you'd be begging. In fact, why not just eliminate the word "ask" as clearly that's just another word for "beg".

All these words are so similar but do have different meanings. Requesting and demanding are other words related to "asking", but they aren't the same, just like to ask for something isn't necessarily to beg. Similar, but not the same. There's a reason there are a whole bunch of different words for all these things.

Personally because of all the stigma against models and how many members seem to believe whatever we do we're beggars who don't deserve to be paid for our services and need to get real jobs, I think unless it is absolutely obvious that a model IS actually begging, it's best not to use the word full stop. Especially when "begging" for tokens is a part of a model's job. Begging is associated with good for nothing people who can't make their own money so guilt trip other people into giving them theirs, basically daylight robbery. Because of that stigma, whatever dictionary references say, most people know exactly what they're implying when they say a model is begging, and that's not cool.

 

[yossarian]

I dun like it when you guys fight

 

[Just Me]

I know this is a message board and there will always be different opinions. Bocefish listed the most annoying things a model can do per the OP, yet many want to argue or jump on his choice of words on what is annoying to him. In his opinion, asking for offline tips is begging and by the definition of the word beg it is true. We attach good and bad to words for some reason and apparently saying beg is bad and ask is good, although both words mean essentially the same thing. It seems a lot of the more heated exchanges here come about due to personal feelings on what certain words mean and not what the actual definition of a word is.

beg
verb
gerund or present participle: begging
1.
ask (someone) earnestly or humbly for something.
"I begged him for mercy"
synonyms: implore, entreat, plead with, appeal to, supplicate, pray to, importune; More
ask for (something) earnestly or humbly.
"he begged their forgiveness"
synonyms: ask for, request, plead for, appeal for, call for, sue for, solicit, seek, press for More
ask formally for (permission to do something).
"I will now beg leave to make some observations"
2.
ask for something, typically food or money, as charity or a gift.
"a young woman was begging in the street"

I also looked up the dictionary reference, and this is the thing, if you're talking about a model directly asking someone for tips etc for nothing in return then yes, that could be begging. That would fit the reference. Saying "Offline tips are awesome!" or "Here's my wishlist in case anyone fancies buying me something", or even "I really want to buy xyz" doesn't fit the category of begging. You're not asking someone earnestly or humbly, and you're not directly asking for it as charity or a gift.

It's more like, I might mention to my boyfriend or a member of my family something that I would really quite like that I think they might have an interest in buying for me. Is that begging? No, it's mentioning something and that person can choose to take you up on it or not.
It also might be similar to say on facebook asking if anyone can give you a lift/mentioning they need a lift somewhere, or needs an item and is checking if anyone has one to spare. You're not offering them anything in return, but it's still not begging, people can choose if they're interested in doing whatever for you or not. It would start being begging if that person continuously posted on their wall and other people's walls asking for stuff.
I also don't think it's begging when friends mention they're doing a fundraiser and ask for donations.

If you read into the definition more closely and read the examples they use and the synonyms you'll see that the word "beg" is not the correct word for this situation.

I'm not denying that there are definitely models who beg for tips, or at least have begged for tips. But in the examples that people have been giving, those just don't fit the definition of the word. If it did then everyone in the world would be guilty of begging and would do it constantly. It'd mean every time you ask anyone for anything that in fact you'd be begging. In fact, why not just eliminate the word "ask" as clearly that's just another word for "beg".

All these words are so similar but do have different meanings. Requesting and demanding are other words related to "asking", but they aren't the same, just like to ask for something isn't necessarily to beg. Similar, but not the same. There's a reason there are a whole bunch of different words for all these things.

Personally because of all the stigma against models and how many members seem to believe whatever we do we're beggars who don't deserve to be paid for our services and need to get real jobs, I think unless it is absolutely obvious that a model IS actually begging, it's best not to use the word full stop. Especially when "begging" for tokens is a part of a model's job. Begging is associated with good for nothing people who can't make their own money so guilt trip other people into giving them theirs, basically daylight robbery. Because of that stigma, whatever dictionary references say, most people know exactly what they're implying when they say a model is begging, and that's not cool.

You missed the point but I humbly beg your forgiveness.

 

[Tristyn]

A lot has already been touched on re: "the begging issue", but I wanted to add this little tidbit into the mix:

I think it's important to remember that cam-models have very diverse members and fans as well, and that some of those comments re: gifting or offline tips could very well be directed at a different 'type' of member (if that makes sense?).

For example, *many* of my regulars are into financial domination, which definitely DOES include things like gifting, shopping dates, and "just because" tips. Someone who's into financial domination might legitimately *enjoy* (and physically get off on) giving just-because tips (tributes) and/or presents, especially if the lady requests (or demands, in some cases!) them herself. So, yes, I definitely do post giftcard and wishlist links when I feel like it (though not excessively) for those fans who are legitimately *into* gifting or tributing.

So, what might appear to some of you as begging might actually be marketing towards a specific fetish or 'type' of fan.

I also accept giftcards in return for skype shows in some cases, and offer incentives for specific presents, so I personally really cater to a diverse market of awesome perverts. ;D

 

[LilyMarie]

It's the same with gifts. Some members, believe it or not, like giving a model gifts that are gifts by definition - i.e. without the model returning the favor by sending them content.

Some crazy members actually occasionally tip models because they like their posts here! Crazy!

*hugs*

I'm just going to leave this here:

It might be annoying but I also know that some of the models I see specifically posting on twitter with repeat emergencies, begging for tips or "OMG no offline love yet?? wtf!" do it because it works. Most girls don't continue any strategy unless it is working for them.

See, that's what I'd call begging. Getting emotional over not receiving offline tips etc., guilt-tripping. I know that that's some girls' schtick though, it works with the cam persona that they have.

I have nothing against off-line tips whatsoever, my beef is models begging for them. Spin-it, try to justify it all you want, it's begging for money you did nothing for.

I'm a veteran, you should give me a free show.

Nope. It's not begging the way I phrased it at the beginning of my previous post.

It's not begging the way you phrased it? :lol:

People that enjoy giving don't need models begging for it on social media to do so.

People that enjoy giving might like to get a hint at what a model would like to receive, via social media. Don't you think that's better than wanting to give a girl something and having to pick something on your own? When she tweets about a certain product, you know she'll be happy about receiving it.

(And, again, it's not begging, no matter what you say.)

I'm not doing shit tonight, offline tips are awesome / make me happy / rock / are always appreciated.

Right on! :thumbleft: :handgestures-salute:

GFY!

If you think that not camming means "I'm not doing shit tonight" (nevermind that she's doing all kinds of behind-the-scenes work all week, like Brad pointed out here, and then Jolene also pointed out later then you don't understand camming at all. Seriously.
Have fun telling every model who ever tweeted something like that (i.e. the vast majority of models with a twitter account) to 'go fuck yourself' instead of ignoring her tweets and letting others offline tip her or not. Very, very mature.


You don't have to enjoy tipping models offline without getting any content or services in return.
Other people do enjoy it even though they get "nothing".
Deal with it.

 

[Bocefish]

If you think that not camming means "I'm not doing shit tonight" (nevermind that she's doing all kinds of behind-the-scenes work all week, like Brad pointed out here, and then Jolene also pointed out later then you don't understand camming at all. Seriously.
Have fun telling every model who ever tweeted something like that (i.e. the vast majority of models with a twitter account) to 'go fuck yourself' instead of ignoring her tweets and letting others offline tip her or not. Very, very mature.


You don't have to enjoy tipping models offline without getting any content or services in return.
Other people do enjoy it even though they get "nothing".
Deal with it.

Well... I was going to just leave this thread alone because I basically said my peace and people don't have to agree with, or even like my opinions, but I'll try to explain my point of view one last time. People do behind the scenes work in just about every aspect of business and hope to get compensated by it with their end product. Pro athletes don't get paid for all the practice they put in prior to the game, Actors don't get paid for all the behind-the-scenes prep work involved in their profession, etc. If a business owner isn't putting in a lot of behind the scenes work, they probably won't do very well. It's all a part of hard work culminating in success, hopefully.

Tips = other people'$ money.

Asking people for their money passively, or directly without any type of service or material compensation is begging. Just because it works, doesn't mean everybody views it as OK. I also don't buy the financial domination thing, that's what Direct Messages are for if you're targeting a select few instead of the masses, unless that's your primary way of camming.

Just FYI, the very first response to the OP's question is from a model:

Passive aggressive bleating on twitter about how shit their last shift was/haven't had any offline tips.

The very second response includes this:

"I'm going out, can you send me some offline tips, yeah?" in quick succession just comes across as begging. You're not offering anything in return so it just feels like you're taking advantage of the guys who think enough of you to buy these things for you :twocents-02cents:

Further down on the very first page this is what I said 10 months ago:



Because Amber knows it is a pet peeve of mine, she replied with:

The most annoying to me is when models:

A) Gripe about not getting offline tips.

B) Complain they're not getting tipped enough when all they're doing is sitting there like a lump on a log, as if the world owes them something for just showing up on cam, gifting us by their mere presence.

:twocents-02cents:

I knew it was only a matter of time before you posted exactly this. :lol: As soon as I read the title of the thread, my first thought was "Boce is going to come in talking about offline tips."

Another post from a model:

I never know what counts as begging.

I think that even though some dudes are quick to call stuff begging ("waaat? she said she has to go in 90 minutes unless she finishes her countdown? what a beggar.") even when it isn't.

IMO, begging is outright asking for money or gifts for free, or pleading with members to buy what you have for sale. If you are offering anything in return, like videos or a show, then saying stuff like "Just a reminder, I have a new video for 300 tokens!" or, "I'm going to go ahead and leave in 30 minutes unless we get some more work done on the countdown" isn't beggy at all.

But when stuff starts happening like, "Can someone just send me some offline tips today? I'm not feeling up to camtime! Thanks!" or, "I'm so below my goal today, can someone please please pleeeeease just buy some videos? I'm so sad and I don't know what to do, I just need tokens and nobody likes me, I just wish I could sell these videos."

This is a thread that asks people their opinions about what the most annoying thing a model can do is. Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one, and nobody has to like another person's opinion. Take them however you want, or disregard them completely, makes no difference to me. Other people seem to be of the same low opinion as mine regarding off-line tip gripes/begs/hints or requests, so like your advice to me, DEAL WITH IT.

 

[Falke]

The overuse of PMs can become really frustrating (sorry if someone has already mentioned it). It's annoying to get a PM from a model every time you log in or every time she logs in. The occasional PM to the effect of "hey, how have you been?" or "I'm trying something new in my chat room" is fine. I also understand that sometimes rooms are slow, and models don't want to be bored and do want to earn some tokens for their time. But it's really awkward to get a PM when you are already in another model's chat or didn't log in with the intention of going to the particular model's room. I don't want to be rude by not responding. Maybe I am too non-confrontational, but I also worry about saying, "hi, nice to hear from you, but I'm already in a different chat."

From a member's perspective, if I have been in a model's room a few times and liked it, I will know if she is online, and I will find my way to her chat if I want to be there. It makes me wish that MFC had an option for some kind of incognito or stealth mode so that someone's friends list won't show that you are online.

 

[LaceyRoyce]

The overuse of PMs can become really frustrating (sorry if someone has already mentioned it). It's annoying to get a PM from a model every time you log in or every time she logs in. The occasional PM to the effect of "hey, how have you been?" or "I'm trying something new in my chat room" is fine. I also understand that sometimes rooms are slow, and models don't want to be bored and do want to earn some tokens for their time. But it's really awkward to get a PM when you are already in another model's chat or didn't log in with the intention of going to the particular model's room. I don't want to be rude by not responding. Maybe I am too non-confrontational, but I also worry about saying, "hi, nice to hear from you, but I'm already in a different chat."

From a member's perspective, if I have been in a model's room a few times and liked it, I will know if she is online, and I will find my way to her chat if I want to be there. It makes me wish that MFC had an option for some kind of incognito or stealth mode so that someone's friends list won't show that you are online.

I recently asked my friends about how they know to come in my room. Some of them dont see or turn off newsfeeds.. and said that if they got a quick PM letting them know I was on they'd like it better. I asked a LOT of my friendslist about this... like 100's of people.. and they all said they either didnt mind, or enjoyed getting a little note from me letting them know as long as it was No pressure.

for the last two months I've been sending quick PMs letting my friends know I'm on, and its helped IMMENSELY fill up my room..

My PM's usually say "hey there! HOpe you're having an awesome day! if you're not busy/bored feel free to come say hi, i'm logging on if you're busy - hope you're have a great night xx"

I'm curious would this bug you?? If someone lets me know that the pm's annoy them I skip them on the list. SO far only ONE person has said that they dont like to get pmed a lot

(i'm just really curious about this..cos i never used to pm because I DIDNT want to be annoying... but lots of people told me they liked it..and it really does seem to bring people in.. i try to make it as LOW pressure as i can.. so its not awkward for them to say no)