What is the most annoying thing a model can do?

[Jillybean]

I felt like I had been legally raped when I heard that, but I don't know if it's true...

It's not true. I'm pretty confident that I would have heard of it (and just to make sure, I just checked the archives of some of my sources, to see whether or not I missed the biggest legal story of the century.) This isn't something that can be quietly passed at this point. There are too many vigilant sentinels out there keeping watch for just that sort of activity for it to go unnoticed and unannounced the instant it happens, and there's too large of an activist body for news like that to be announced without it becoming a firestorm. After all, we're talking about putting a leash on the very nature of how media and the internet works.

There are some bills that have been introduced that would perform much of the same functions that SOPA/PIPA would have, but do understand that bills like that are introduced often due to a large content publishing lobby with very deep pockets, and there's a process for a bill to go through in order for it to be ratified into law, a la I'm Just a Bill; just as the song says, most of them don't even make it to the debate stage, let alone the vote stage. SOPA and PIPA were so sensational because they made it so far. Now, there is an incredible amount of legal activity going on regarding the distribution and use of IP, but it is definitely a battle that is being defined in the courts, and not by statute at this time. And you can be sure that, if it had become a law, the fallout would have begun immediately and publicly as websites would have been taken down and charges pressed.

EDIT:

Come to think of it, LadyLuna, you may be thinking of the so-called "Six Strikes" policy that will be enacted by certain major ISPs. However, that's self-policing on their part, based upon the rules set forth by the DMCA, which has been around for nearly 20 years now, and is not a new law. It still sucks, will probably not work out well, and is just kinda weird, but it isn't a new law. Just so you know.

Ooh! I'm wearing my I'm Just a Bill tshirt tomorrow! LOL!

One thing that's really annoying about models is when they talk politics and laws. Well, not really. I'm just trying to stay on topic.

 

[zippypinhead]

One thing that's really annoying about models is when they talk politics and laws. Well, not really. I'm just trying to stay on topic.

Sorry. Now you know which button to press to send me into Total Nerd Mode.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

Well, yes, there's a certain context that's created that the song lives in for that situation, and no, it isn't simply to hear a song -- it is to hear a song associated with the model. However (and, I'm sorry, being an artist and publisher, IP law seeps from my pores) public performance of the song without permission is still infringement, especially when one is getting paid for it, so the complaint is technically accurate, no matter whether there's a certain new dimension to the performance or not. That's what music licensing is all about; it pays for derivative use just like this specific situation. If music publishers and musicians wanted to press this sort of thing against models, it would be their right, and I can't see a scenario wherein they wouldn't win the complaint. It really is a pretty clear-cut example of infringement.



So, as far as I'm concerned, play your music, and take tips for it, and fuck the haters (unless the haters are lawyers, in which case the haters can go fuck themselves.)

I was just thinking about the legality of me even playing music in my chatroom today. I figured, thank gosh SOPA didn't pass. Many lovely models would be out of a job, since the whole site would have been shut down. Lol.

You know, I could see some record labels going after sites like MFC for allowing their models to play background music. Look at all the lawsuits involving YouTube for background music in videos there. I definitely agree with your second part about legal leniency in situations like this.

Zippy is right if you are playing a popular song and are collecting $, you almost certainly need to paying a royalty to somebody like the RIAA. I don't think it matters if you bought songs on iTunes, are using Pandora, or playing a YouTube video. The copyright belongs to singer/record company you are re-broadcasting the song as part of your show or in a video, and you need written permission or a license because it is a commercial use.

It seems to me that camgirls are both victims and beneficiaries of the copyright law. Victims because people are pirating your live shows and posted them on Xhamster, Porntube etc. and some case making money because of your work. On the other hand as thread shows music is an important part of a cam girl rooms appeal. (I am not really huge music fan but I definitely gravitate to girls who's music I like).

I know right now on some hidden singer/songwriter forum there is a rant from a singer that goes like this.
"Those slutty camgirls they are making a million dollars a year, giving sex shows, using my songs, and I am not collecting a goddam dime from them." and while she maybe exaggerating she has a point.

I think MFC has been pretty awful in this situation, basically telling camgirls you are on your own. "You agree that you will not post, or otherwise distribute or facilitate distribution of any Content that: infringes on any patent, trademark, trade secret, copyright, right of publicity, or other proprietary right of any party;". I wonder what percentage of camgirls are versed on the finer points of copyright law. MFC could negotiate with Pandora, RIAA, or others to work out an agreement at the lets camgirls use music, instead it exposes them to potential lawsuits.

 

[JordanBlack]

Why the hell is it okay for the government to try again and again and again to pass a law that everyone has said "DON'T DO THIS!" to?)

Because they couldn't care less about the general pleb. It's all about making more money, more taxes and such. How many politicians have had they hands dip into the revenue that the corporations generate (from tobacco, alcohol, guns to banks, music etc).

Those laws that are passed are not there to protect the citizens most time but to ensure the "economy" is rolling. Sure they can pass them to under the disguise of protecting this & that (from music rights to defending against terrorists), but most times there's more to it than the public is allowed to access or to question.

Nowadays every time they pass a new law to protect you as a citizen, they tramp on other rights that you might've had. All your rights come with an asterix (oh that small print).

*sorry if I went off topic a bit

 

[zippypinhead]

*sorry if I went off topic a bit

If only all libertarianism was so sexy.

 

[AllisonWilder]

The most annoying thing a model can do is not have all the sexy times with me for freeeeeeeeeeee.

 

[JordanBlack]

*sorry if I went off topic a bit

If only all libertarianism was so sexy.

:lol:

I'm quite a radical left winger, I just like the Government to defend my rights, not pretend to act in my name for the sake of corporate interests.

 

[zippypinhead]

*sorry if I went off topic a bit

If only all libertarianism was so sexy.

:lol:

I'm quite a radical left winger, I just like the Government to defend my rights, not pretend to act in my name for the sake of corporate interests.

I gotcha (and I'm right there with you.) Couldn't resist the quip, though.

 

[JoleneBrody]

I'd say that music is the #1 thing that keeps me in a girl's room. It's the first thing I notice when I enter a room, and it's the first thing that provides me a "feel" for whether I want to stick around and see if the model's worthwhile to interact with. Even when the girl is charming and sexy, I've been driven away from rooms on several occasions solely based upon what's playing. I guess I'm a snob that way, but this is one of those situations where not all senses are totally engaged, so sound becomes more important than it might otherwise would be.

This all leads up to my real point, which is I'm willing to tip for song requests, as long as the tip amount isn't too high. One of my favorite models actually takes free requests all night whenever she's on, from whomever comes into her room, and that's the thing that got me to stick around. If anything, it's a good ice-breaker when the chat slows down, and it makes guys like me feel comfortable in a room, which I appreciate very much. And, like RogueWarrior, I do tip to hear that song. Something is really hot about having a beautiful woman dancing to a song you love.

I think maybe I wasn't very clear, sorry. It still sounds like to me that you are tipping for the Ambiance created by the song, not just the song. If you really wanted to hear that song and that was truly what you were after, you could pull it up on youtube. You are tipping the model to perform to your favorite song, at that point it moves from just music to performance.
To me the fella seemed to take issue with models basically selling the music, though IMO that's not the case while she is performing. She is selling her performance and "song request" is easier to fit into our topic than "tip xxx to pick the song that I will then dance for you too!" <-- but that's especially what it is, just simplified.

Well, yes, there's a certain context that's created that the song lives in for that situation, and no, it isn't simply to hear a song -- it is to hear a song associated with the model. However (and, I'm sorry, being an artist and publisher, IP law seeps from my pores) public performance of the song without permission is still infringement, especially when one is getting paid for it, so the complaint is technically accurate, no matter whether there's a certain new dimension to the performance or not. That's what music licensing is all about; it pays for derivative use just like this specific situation. If music publishers and musicians wanted to press this sort of thing against models, it would be their right, and I can't see a scenario wherein they wouldn't win the complaint. It really is a pretty clear-cut example of infringement.

BUT

I'm with you on this. There are certain things in culture that deserve legal leniency, and the distribution and use of art as a matter of incidental and everyday exposure is one of those things that I feel strongly should be included as one of those exempt things. I have very long-winded and complex reasons for this which would be interesting only to me, so I'll spare you. I'll sum it up like this: if a law exists that is written in a way that nearly everybody breaks it several times a day by just going about their normal business, it's a terrible law, and IP law in its current state pretty much does just that.

So, as far as I'm concerned, play your music, and take tips for it, and fuck the haters (unless the haters are lawyers, in which case the haters can go fuck themselves.)

Yes! I agree with you 100% but his complaint was about tipping for song requests. Playing the music at all is TECHNICALLY copyright infringement. Taking tips for song requests is no different than just dancing to a song and being tipped in appreciation afterwards, if he really is so concerned about copyright. Pirated or not it's technically against the law. The again... this argument could be taken to the coffee shop playing music to create an ambiance that generates business and so on and so forth. :-D

Also I should stop making forum posts from my phone. All sorts of weird words are popping up! :lol:

 

[zippypinhead]

Helpful info, posted to another thread in Random Discussion regarding the very topic of music use:

Sorry to double post but
http://www.dmx.com/pandora/

Pandora for commercial use 25/month. Thats all I can come up with.
It gives you licensing rights to play the music.

I'd say it's a worthy business expense to consider.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

The guy who owns the small gym I go to used use the music channels on the cable TV. (Hey they don't all suck). About a year or so ago he switched to Pandora.

BTW, plenty of coffee shops, bars, and strip clubs have all been taken to court by the RIAA over the years.

 

[emptiedglass]

I think the whole music/copyright discussion deserves a thread of its own, as it's currently being discussed in 2 unrelated ones.
I'm curious about the legality of girls who sing cover versions of songs on MFC. I've seen a number of local bands perform all kinds of covers at bars and such, and I'm pretty sure there was no payment of royalties. Should MFC's musicians be paying royalites, too?
Copyright law is also slightly different here in Canada, but I'm far from being an expert on such matters. It also raises the question, though, of which copyright laws people should be subject to while broadcasting on MFC. Those of their own country, or those of the United States? Or those of wherever MFC's servers are physically located, if they're not in the US?

 

[zippypinhead]

Copyright law is also slightly different here in Canada, but I'm far from being an expert on such matters. It also raises the question, though, of which copyright laws people should be subject to while broadcasting on MFC. Those of their own country, or those of the United States? Or those of wherever MFC's servers are physically located, if they're not in the US?

You're subject to the laws of the country from which you're broadcasting first. However, even though there are indeed differences here and there from country to country, usually a matter of duration or registration process, there are international conventions that tend to standardize the broader issues of use and enforcement of copyright. Most Western countries (and plenty of other countries) are signatory states to at least one of these conventions. So, with things like public broadcast or the go-to troubles of piracy, it's going to be pretty much the same if you're living in an industrialized European/North American country.

 

[LailaBaise]

Found this for the UK! http://www.ppluk.com/I-Play-Music/Busin ... ence-cost/

 

[emptiedglass]

I'd say that music is the #1 thing that keeps me in a girl's room. It's the first thing I notice when I enter a room, and it's the first thing that provides me a "feel" for whether I want to stick around and see if the model's worthwhile to interact with. Even when the girl is charming and sexy, I've been driven away from rooms on several occasions solely based upon what's playing. I guess I'm a snob that way, but this is one of those situations where not all senses are totally engaged, so sound becomes more important than it might otherwise would be.

I'm the same way. If a model is playing music that I absolutely can't stand, I'm not likely to stay for more than a few seconds, even if she's the coolest or most beautiful one on. I'll even tolerate mediocre music, or a lack of music, for a girl I like. Awesome tunes will keep me around longer.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

I think the whole music/copyright discussion deserves a thread of its own, as it's currently being discussed in 2 unrelated ones.
I'm curious about the legality of girls who sing cover versions of songs on MFC. I've seen a number of local bands perform all kinds of covers at bars and such, and I'm pretty sure there was no payment of royalties. Should MFC's musicians be paying royalites, too?

That was good question. IANAL, but I have attended many hours of training on copyright and trademark laws. Regarding the lyric issue, this guy makes perfect sense to me http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview/id/299584.html

Now in the case of cover bands, bars and other venues pay performance royalties. So while the cover band does pay not money to the artists, the original artists are still getting paid for their work by the bar.

The short answer if you use the intellectual property of others during a money making performance, lyrics, music, reading a story, you are legally (and I'd argue morally) obligated to either obtain permission from the copyright holders, or more practically pay royalties. MFC is obtaining an unfair advantage in the cam world, by simply ignoring everybody everybody else's copyrights. You are right this needs a new thread.

 

[RogueWarrior]

I'm wondering ... What is the "magic amount" that's acceptable to change the song to you? I've been considering doing this, as it seems I'm always frustrated with my playlist halfway through.

This got lost amongst all the legalese and copyright discussion, but think it deserves an answer.

For me, the "magic number" is 30 tokens. Of course there are exceptions, but generally speaking, 30 is the max I'm willing to spend on song requests. Arbitrary? Sure. But that seems a fair number to me.

As I stated earlier in the thread, I'm going to tip for song requests in a model's room with whom I am familiar, not just some random browsing session. That being said, I will tip more freely for song requests than for other things, but that's just me.

I generally have somewhat of an idea of how much I'm going to tip before I log onto to MFC. Random number, say it's 100 tokens. If one of my faves is having a song request night, then chances are that 100 is going to turn into 120-150. No a huge jump, I know, but still, nickels are nickels.

 

[UncleThursday]

I'm wondering ... What is the "magic amount" that's acceptable to change the song to you? I've been considering doing this, as it seems I'm always frustrated with my playlist halfway through.

It depends. I_Am_Iris only asks a minimum of 6 tokens for a song, because that's the minimum she says a tip note will show up with (I don't know how true that is, never tried sending lower with tip notes). Other models ask for 10, 20, 30 or more. Personally, I think 20 is about the max I would tip for a song request. Then again, I normally tip for songs the model won't necessarily know, but that are pretty funny (mostly Jonathan Coultan songs that are cute and funny).

 

[driverxtc]

When a model does absolutely positively nothing. When I mean nothing I mean Nothing. Not even crack a little smirk. A smile would be too much. I think even a little conversation or a simple " . " Dot to tell her viewers she has a pulse would be ....ok. Quite honestly why would anyone log on to sit in front of a cam just to do nothing. There's this one particular model I feel pity for who just sits there and never smiles (95% of the time) She just sits there and waits. Even when she gets tokens (I've tipped her 30 once to see what she'd do) she justs sits there looks and then stares off to the walls again. idk, maybe this is their thing and guys tip to see a model act like a statue.

 

[ILikeUonTop]

Really, there are only two things that annoy me and I think both have been talked about already. When a model doesn't talk and only types and when her music is too loud. I want to hear her and not feel like I'm at a club. Other than that, I'm pretty easy about a models room. I usually see her on the main page, read her profile and, after that if I'm interested, I go to her room. I'll sit for a few mins and get a feel for the room. If I can tell it isn't for me, I'll simply fade away. If it seems like a place I'd like to hang out, I'll say "hi".

 

[BeaWithMe]

my record tip for a song request was 100 tokens. and if you must know it was for the divnyls i touch myself, but the model looked so much like the girl that actually sang that song to me naked, while performing the act from the song on my lap that it was well worth it. now that i think of it there is a specific model who also looks a lot like that long ago ex. hmmmmm maybe if i save up some tokens and beg really really hard?

Ahahaha, that is my absolute favourite song to dance around to on cam. Every time it comes on my playlist I'm like 'SHUT UP DON'T JUDGE ME' :lol:

 

[CCRhyder]

... Im just going to back out of here slowly
:happy3:

lolwudadipshit.

 

[sahi]

This might be an unpopular thing to say and I apologize if I happen to offend anyone. The most annoying thing for me that a model can do is when they have a countdown for something, a public show for e.g, and then when it's time for the public show or not long into the show they decide to go into group. Now I understand that there are a lot of freeloaders on mfc, especially during show time, and that they can be really annoying themselves with their trolling and demands, but some people have tipped for a public show not a group show. I admit I don't always tip towards a public show if i'm watching, even if I have tokens, so I know i'm not in a position to get annoyed at those times. But i'm also speaking in a general sense, for the people who have tipped. So therefor in my opinion it's kinda false advertisement to put a countdown for a public show and then go group instead.
I'm not saying i'm definitely right on this, just giving my opinion, I might be totally wrong. I don't claim to be an MFC expert or anything, lol. Please feel free to give your opinions on this.

 

[AnaVictoriaXO]

This might be an unpopular thing to say and I apologize if I happen to offend anyone. The most annoying thing for me that a model can do is when they have a countdown for something, a public show for e.g, and then when it's time for the public show or not long into the show they decide to go into group. Now I understand that there are a lot of freeloaders on mfc, especially during show time, and that they can be really annoying themselves with their trolling and demands, but some people have tipped for a public show not a group show. I admit I don't always tip towards a public show if i'm watching, even if I have tokens, so I know i'm not in a position to get annoyed at those times. But i'm also speaking in a general sense, for the people who have tipped. So therefor in my opinion it's kinda false advertisement to put a countdown for a public show and then go group instead.
I'm not saying i'm definitely right on this, just giving my opinion, I might be totally wrong. I don't claim to be an MFC expert or anything, lol. Please feel free to give your opinions on this.

I absolutely agree.

But what about times when the countdown comes to a halt and no more tips are coming in for a good amount of time? Can you really fault the model for going group or pvt?

 

[zippypinhead]

But what about times when the countdown comes to a halt and no more tips are coming in for a good amount of time? Can you really fault the model for going group or pvt?

I'd say that's a different situation all together. Plus, I've noticed at times that mid-countdown group or private shows can clear out the room and bring in a fresh new crowd willing to tip once the model gets back. I would hope that if she does interrupt the countdown (and doesn't just leave after the private or group) that the countdown doesn't reset. That seems most fair to the guys who might have tipped into the countdown but couldn't do a group.

 

[Anonymous]

I absolutely agree.

But what about times when the countdown comes to a halt and no more tips are coming in for a good amount of time? Can you really fault the model for going group or pvt?

WORD.

I'm not about to turn down a private with a trusted regular, just because the premiums in the room have forgotten this ain't a free AOL chatroom, are ignoring my countdown (AND they've gotten all quiet on me), and their feelings will get hurt if I leave for 10 minutes...lol.

I love it when someone I know requests to go private during awkward moments when no one's talking/tipping. Especially since, at that point, I'm on the verge of logging off early, which I'd rather not do.

 

[sahi]

This might be an unpopular thing to say and I apologize if I happen to offend anyone. The most annoying thing for me that a model can do is when they have a countdown for something, a public show for e.g, and then when it's time for the public show or not long into the show they decide to go into group. Now I understand that there are a lot of freeloaders on mfc, especially during show time, and that they can be really annoying themselves with their trolling and demands, but some people have tipped for a public show not a group show. I admit I don't always tip towards a public show if i'm watching, even if I have tokens, so I know i'm not in a position to get annoyed at those times. But i'm also speaking in a general sense, for the people who have tipped. So therefor in my opinion it's kinda false advertisement to put a countdown for a public show and then go group instead.
I'm not saying i'm definitely right on this, just giving my opinion, I might be totally wrong. I don't claim to be an MFC expert or anything, lol. Please feel free to give your opinions on this.

I absolutely agree.

But what about times when the countdown comes to a halt and no more tips are coming in for a good amount of time? Can you really fault the model for going group or pvt?

No, not at all. I'm talking about when the countdown is done and they then suddenly decide to go group. I'm not going to mention any names, but i'm going to give a clue as to who I mean in hope that someone from that show responds to this, as i'm really curious why the decision was made. Because the other day there was a G/G/G show going on hosted by a model from the first few rows and they had a countdown for a shower or bath show. When the countdown was done they got into the tub, and after about 5 mins or so of not doing very much they decided to go group. Now I personally hadn't tipped but I just feel that what they did was so not cool. I feel bad for the people who tipped for the public show, only for them to go group not long after the show had started.
I am positive in my mind that these girls didn't mean to mislead or scam people, as they are lovely and genuine girls. I just think they made a mistake and that there was poor error in judgment in this case.

 

[Anonymous]

I'm talking about when the countdown is done and they then suddenly decide to go group.

I've heard of some models doing a countdown to naked, and when that's complete and she's naked, she accepts group shows. I think that's a great idea since some of us don't use toys in public chat, and prefer to save the toy play for private or group. But I take it that's not what you're referring to. You're referring to when a countdown to toy play is complete, and then the model jumps right into group/private...right?

 

[sahi]

I'm talking about when the countdown is done and they then suddenly decide to go group.

I've heard of some models doing a countdown to naked, and when that's complete and she's naked, she accepts group shows. I think that's a great idea since some of us don't use toys in public chat, and prefer to save the toy play for private or group. But I take it that's not what you're referring to. You're referring to when a countdown to toy play is complete, and then the model jumps right into group/private...right?

Well yeah, but not just things like toy play/cum show. As I said in my last post the G/G/G show said it'd be a shower or bath show, can't remember which. I realize they didn't state that the show would consist of anything in particular but like I said they only stayed for a pretty short time, like 10 mins at the very most and then went group. And for those who didn't see my earlier post or didn't read all of it and may think that for those 10 mins they may have done some things to make up for the fact they went group then no, they didn't. As I mentioned earlier they hardly did anything for those 5-10 mins. I might be totally wrong here but if you've tipped for a G/G or G/G/G show and its a shower/bath show, unless stated by the model(s) otherwise, you would expect at least some light foreplay lasting around 15-20 mins. There was a little of that there, in the shape of some fondling and kissing, which if I was to guess totaled to about a couple of mins at most.

 

[Jessi]

I often do a countdown to nude/foreplay, then I turn group on. If the people tipping want to take me to group a couple minutes after that, I'm not going to stop them. Ive never had a case where someone tipping for the countdown had a problem with going to the group after. The point is to gather a crowd and generate interest. It also gives the room something to do while building the audience. Im not going to spend half an hour naked for free, and sitting around clothed and only getting naked in group makes things boring and gives us less hang out time, and probably a smaller group too.