Tip etiquette

[Magnolia]

No, no... please, go on.

 

[AudriTwo]

I do agree this is going off topic into a discussion in itself and it is way dangerous considering new model would see this long before they get access to your special area.

It doesn't take that long. Took me about a week of active posting. It's not that complicated.

 

[schlmoe]

Interesting to see how quick it took Hotrod to be dethroned as the "#1 Idiot poster" in this thread. For those keeping score at home, Hotrod is currently #2...

 

[HotRod556]

Most models are not getting 75% cut like you are. Most models are not getting on the frontpage of the site. You argument works on the concept that all girls want spend long periods of time being visible online in the first place. The only absolute fact is GIRLS WANT TO MAKE MONEY. This is the primary objective to camming. Not all girls want to be on the frontpage of ANYTHING. One of my favorite roleplay girls has two daughters and does not want people she knows finding out what she does. To her, my paying $200 for an hour and her not having to log in for the night is a great trade off. She would have to be on a few days to grind that much out on SM.

Direct billing is a negotiation, if you accept less then you get paid less. That's not a flaw to the concept that's poor negotiation. Making a defacto statement that you're losing money when you control of the value yourself doesn't make too much sense to me.[/QUOTE

I really need to stop posting but its fun. It sucks how everyone Interprets what they read so differently. I don't want need or give a fuck about favor to or from anyone. I have been looking into the whole off site billing. And this is just what I got out of it so far. So yes it fact. and anything I say should tell you to stop and pay attention you will be better cam model and make millions

But to me I feel like it might not be a bad idea. If you can pool your top paying regs together and have it set up with skype or whatever. You people know hows its done. I would think some girls might have 20 or more regs. I don't know just a guess. But whatever you want to do is fine. If I was a girl and on cam. I work my ass off get as many paying regs i can. for off site work. You should pay tax on it. But I wouldn't I keep all of it. I would only give deals to high paying regs. And if I can some how work it to where I make 25k a year on site and pay taxes on that. and off site i'm some how able to work out 25K Then id be happy. I might even check to see what to low income tax amount is then shoot for that. I would have to worry about adult but I do dumb shit to try make as much as I can for me. I still have no idea what a top cam girls regs are like or how many. But my fav cam girl is way to sweet and I'm having to be a dick and pay her the way I think she should get paid. I hope I get all kinds of favor for this. But If i pay 300 in ecx for and hr. Why in the fuck would I want to pay her less because she has now broke cam site rules and shit to help out on her getting more of the 300. I want to give her 300 It was easy I took her exc price x 60 then paid her that she charges a lot less for skype and i understand sometimes it takes that to get off site. I told her I just tipped the rest because. I don't get it i'm sure some how cam girls are victim somehow and shame on them for wanting to make money. WTF ever. I would use every tool. evey trick every loophole to make as much as i can and keep as much as i can and this is anything I do. But i'm special so there

 

[HotRod556]

GOLD SHOWS

1. Yes you absolutely should tip at gold shows. The model is given people that may not be able to pay for pvt/exc time. A chance to see it for a great price. Like 3 dollars for 7 mins. And they fucking kick ass. This is a SM thing. The proper way to thank the model for this is to tip as you are enjoying the show. If you are in a room and don’t join gold show why the fuck are you there. Plus why in the fuck do you think a model should even chat with you if you don’t buy in. Models should never have a problem. Hitting their goal or the amount to start show. They had to earn the right just to have option in there room. And from 3 to 10 gold you get exc chat show. For way less than by minute show. So fucking tip. And its a group show making request don’t fit here. And why the fuck should she. Your getting hell of a deal. And think you get to run show too. Maybe tip big if you really want to try to see her do what your asking
CHAT ROOMS
1. If you want to see anything. You should tip 5 to 15 dollars. Before you ask her. “Please can I see tits”. Not “let me see tits” Then wait for her to say “flash for 10 request for 5”

Most models have a list for any dumb mother fucker. That ask for something without tipping. I was in a room with a sexy,funny model. And every time a new dick head would enter the room. And the asshole would request something. And she’d say “request for 5 gold”. Then nothing from asshole.

2. If you are into just watching. Like you just enjoy creeping in the room without chatting. You should tip 5 as soon as you get in. And keep 5 coming every five to 8 minutes. Fuck it’s creepy to be in room and not chat. And that shit is out of control an CB. And they do all kind of shit in there. And maybe 10% is tipping. And the rest of you cheap fuckheads are getting free show. Only reason free chat is set up like that. Is so the traffic to look better. So truth is maybe 15% is paying traffic. And rest are just sorry fucks freeloading.

3. Don’t just chat on and on. Without tipping. If you like chatting. And it’s not some dumb shit. Try to go for 15 minutes and up in paid chat. Then hang and chat. Also tip some. If chat is dumb you need to tip a lot more and spend more time in paid chat. Who the fuck want to go a long with your dumb ass shit. When you are not spending. Go find chat rooms for that shit. We like to see tits and ass with our chat. And if you are not putting in on tips. I don’t want you to see the pro twerk ass she is doing for us. She doesn’t want to read your fucked up chat with how hot her ass is. She fucking knows it’s hot. That’s why people are tipping. Dumb ass! So put out or get out. Fuck!

4. Read the goddamn profile. nine out of ten times the model will have every thing she is into. And what she is not into. Also helpful information about pvt/exc chat. And every answer to all your Goddamn fucked up questions and fantasies. And being the guy that ask all that shit and not going in exc after she answered. A big fuck you from me for her. Stop wasting her damn time with your lame fucking ass. Also asking about anal and not having money for anal is fucking rude. And you better be tipping for all the answers you are getting. Because you are to fucking stupid to look at the profile first.

So this really needs to start happening. I’ve seen very entertaining models with a crowd of people in her room. And the tips are not happening. Always a few assholes wanting free flashes or request.
And bet your ass these fuckers will hang out until someone comes in and tips for titts. They get a free look. Maybe my mom just raise me better. And I enjoy being polite to ladies. But damn get it together.

I’ve been on Chaturbate. And rooms with 800 and even 1700 people in there. God damn what the fuck are yall doing? That many people and a tip here and there.

I should have to mute the sound because it is non stop tip noise. But nope. And even the chat board wasn’t that busy. Fucked up man. And if you don’t know this. Most cam sites only pay out 25%. So that is only 25 cents out of dollar the model got.

And if everyone would tip and play like you are supposed too. It would be fine. This behavior doesn’t go well in strip clubs. The girls won’t hangout and flirt with an asshole who is only buying drinks and looking at free tits and ass.

But the cam models can’t leave and go to the tippers. They have to stay there and repeat the same fucking shit over and over. Please tip for flash, request or whatever.

And fuck you bunch assholes. You know good goddamn and well you are here to fucking tip. I’m trying to enjoy the shit out of what she is talking about. Not having to hear her repeat shit. To a bunch cheap ass. No respect having bitches. That should be watching free porn and not in our kick ass cam rooms. Hell each model should have a cover charge just to keep you fuckers out.

And if what I said hurt your cheap ass feelings. Please stop by my chat room on SM. And I’ll bend over and you can kiss my hairy asshole. And don’t worry I will not expect a tip

I still think that shit is funny. And the 25% is what I am paid by SM and I went straight in the site to sign up. I am going to look into why that is I guess. I'm not doing it to make money. I can say I have been paid now. I like that my funny post got a lot of good shit worked up. You can now see a lot more reasons to stop and think about what and how you do to earn. And think what you want. But I think members should be better members and don't get on if you don't want to play and tip. And If you are trying to work a girl offsite to save money. Your a cheap dick. So go to rub n tug and play your games there. And really if wasn't for meeting a few really cool girls I would have been done with the site. But really I think it was funny as fuck. And asking for anal but not having money for anal come on good shit haha

 

[HotRod556]

Yeah, for a member to advocate a girl taking her customers off of SM.... If you truly have the model's well-being in mind, as well as her ability to make the most money, I would think you would be against any avenue that could get her fired. Most models like to be able to work for their chosen website. And SM is SUPER strict about pulling customers off of their website. It's not something that they just frown upon, it isn't something they close their eyes to. They actively check to make sure no one is trying to contact members off-site, and they'll ban you in a heartbeat if they catch you.

If you really want to look out for your favorite models, and you're not actually just putting your selfish-boners first.... Pay the model through her chosen medium. It's pretty disrespectful to try to convince a model to put her entire job in jeopardy just because you want to pay a little less. If you want a model to make more money... Don't suggest something that can get her fired and ruin the chances of making ANY money on her chosen site.

Lol i'm not BS. But never have pushed for or ask to get her off site. I was when she felt like a good time. And I was fine on or off site. Cause i'm paying the price she puts up. And no shit when off site came in the pitcher. I said thats fine Im paying exc price because its exc no ones popping in so yeah. That didn't work. She already had set price for off site. So I was like fine i'll pay and the rest is a tip. And really knowing more about what's at risk over doing this. Its hard not to tell her hell fuck no that's too cheap you should never do that. Without making sound mean or what ever. But unless you're dealing with a lot of regs I see the point it. But any I like saying it so here we go. If you pay half price for a off site show. Tip that poor girl the fucking price you were and have been paying. Like fuck really And again no tavor wanted or needed. Just how the fuck I feel. The models working off site has made the price this way. I would be more piss about models half pricing than any fucking other thing about off site. It the thing in my work. Tech start fix for less the we all are fixing for less. All the members wanting it for less would still be wanting and not getting. But Is a dog eat dog world.

 

[AerynShade]

Dude. You've ceased being in any way coherent or intelligible.

 

[AudriTwo]

Lol @HotRod556, Paige was responding to @SMuser69. Since he mentioned taking models off site.

 

[Lorelei]

If I was a girl and on cam. I work my ass off get as many paying regs i can. for off site work. You should pay tax on it. But I wouldn't I keep all of it. I would only give deals to high paying regs. And if I can some how work it to where I make 25k a year on site and pay taxes on that. and off site i'm some how able to work out 25K Then id be happy. I might even check to see what to low income tax amount is then shoot for that.

So you're saying if you were a camgirl, you'd commit SERIOUS tax fraud.

And the 25% is what I am paid by SM and I went straight in the site to sign up. I am going to look into why that is I guess.

If you're not getting 35% you did not sign up directly with SM. There's no nuance here.

Interesting to see how quick it took Hotrod to be dethroned as the "#1 Idiot poster" in this thread. For those keeping score at home, Hotrod is currently #2...

And he's back in the lead!

 

[papichulo80]

I don't really visit sm but models on cb are pretty forward about moving users to pp. So much so that members are now pushing it too. It's at the point where as soon as you've tipped a few hundred towards a goal you can guarantee a pm will show up offering a skype i.d. There's also a growing business in selling tokens back to members at discounted rates. I'm honestly not sure how that would benefit a model except that it would be faster cash maybe. I don't think cb cares one way or the other. I do notice though that the more prevalent off site payments are becoming the more I'm noticing rooms filled with traffic and no tipping. Not much chat in the room and the model constantly typing. The sound of deals being made lol. I wonder how long before the site is taking a significant hit and needs to do something.

My two cents on the cuts and tipping and what not. It's not a members problem how much a model makes from a token any more than it is models problem how much of their income a member spends on tokens. Models set prices based on the market place and members tip based on their valuation of a service. If a model or a member are counting each others money they have probably crossed some lines and should take a step back.

 

[AmberCutie]

It's at the point where as soon as you've tipped a few hundred towards a goal you can guarantee a pm will show up offering a skype i.d. There's also a growing business in selling tokens back to members at discounted rates. I'm honestly not sure how that would benefit a model except that it would be faster cash maybe. I don't think cb cares one way or the other. I do notice though that the more prevalent off site payments are becoming the more I'm noticing rooms filled with traffic and no tipping. Not much chat in the room and the model constantly typing. The sound of deals being made lol. I wonder how long before the site is taking a significant hit and needs to do something.

If at any point the members/models dramatic cries of "camming is dying" or "MFC is dying" actually seem to be coming true, this is the sort of shit I'm gonna blame.

 

[papichulo80]

I've definitely noticed a difference. However the G/S economy in general saw significant tightening in q3 into q4 so it may just be symptomatic. The quickness and hard sell of models pushing offsite is definite tho and I don't think linked.

Can anyone explain the token selling though? what does a model get from selling tokens back to a member at a cut rate? just a faster payout than they would get from cb?

 

[SMuser69]

I've definitely noticed a difference. However the G/S economy in general saw significant tightening in q3 into q4 so it may just be symptomatic. The quickness and hard sell of models pushing offsite is definite tho and I don't think linked.

Can anyone explain the token selling though? what does a model get from selling tokens back to a member at a cut rate? just a faster payout than they would get from cb?

Probably tax evasion or money laundering. Girls could just be a front for someone else laundering other money. These are tinfoil hat guesses though.

 

[Nikola Tesla]

money laundering

It has happened.

 

[Sevrin]

Not much chat in the room and the model constantly typing. The sound of deals being made lol. I wonder how long before the site is taking a significant hit and needs to do something.

More likely the model is working multiple sites. There are a number of models with low MFC cam scores who are killing it on other sites.

 

[SaffronBurke]

I don't really visit sm but models on cb are pretty forward about moving users to pp. So much so that members are now pushing it too. It's at the point where as soon as you've tipped a few hundred towards a goal you can guarantee a pm will show up offering a skype i.d.

Those models are shooting themselves in the foot, because PayPal HATES the adult industry and discussing outside payment/shows is against the rules on CB.

 

[HotRod556]

So you're saying if you were a camgirl, you'd commit SERIOUS tax fraud.



If you're not getting 35% you did not sign up directly with SM. There's no nuance here.



And he's back in the lead!

I mean yeah I don't pay taxes when I do side work. Or any money I make that IRS does not already know about. If I was a bartender I wouldn't pay taxes on cash tips. But it's a risk I'd take. I mean If you take in more than 20 25k of money the irs doesn't know about the might go up. But I have met anyone who's doing taxes and puts down other income, I end up 10k form side work I never pay taxes on I as never cut my labor rate. Now I guess that I already do SERIOUS tax fraud. But havent had a problem. If a someone want to do skype show with me I won't tell the the IRS I got income they don't know about. But only had one guy ask why wasn't on skype. So dont think ill get the chance to do it this year. At least no cam earnings. I'm still not paying on other incomes.
And I went to sm models page and sign up. And one time%25.8 I was thinking why it said "see studio for payment question." but i have never even looked into studio. And when I got first payment. I didn't see any studio info. Ill screenshot it. Cause I agree with you. I looked up the info before i even signed up.And did the math on my earnings and it was 25% And I thought maybe they dropped it and info was out of date. I need to contact SM, I havent worried about it cause i dont earn much so why bother. But ill get back to ya

And sweet I didn't like 2nd. And why would someone want take #1 from me. Let the crackhead be number 1 at something. I'm not asking for much.

 

[DonaDiabla]

This interestingly, I pay all of my taxes because I do not want to commit tax fraud. Personally, I have no problem paying taxes because I do not want the IRS on my ass. Just because you are an indie cam model...does not mean that you should avoid paying taxes.

I mean yeah I don't pay taxes when I do side work. Or any money I make that IRS does not already know about. If I was a bartender I wouldn't pay taxes on cash tips. But it's a risk I'd take. I mean If you take in more than 20 25k of money the irs doesn't know about the might go up. But I have met anyone who's doing taxes and puts down other income, I end up 10k form side work I never pay taxes on I as never cut my labor rate. Now I guess that I already do SERIOUS tax fraud. But havent had a problem. If a someone want to do skype show with me I won't tell the the IRS I got income they don't know about. But only had one guy ask why wasn't on skype. So dont think ill get the chance to do it this year. At least no cam earnings. I'm still not paying on other incomes.
And I went to sm models page and sign up. And one time%25.8 I was thinking why it said "see studio for payment question." but i have never even looked into studio. And when I got first payment. I didn't see any studio info. Ill screenshot it. Cause I agree with you. I looked up the info before i even signed up.And did the math on my earnings and it was 25% And I thought maybe they dropped it and info was out of date. I need to contact SM, I havent worried about it cause i dont earn much so why bother. But ill get back to ya

And sweet I didn't like 2nd. And why would someone want take #1 from me. Let the crackhead be number 1 at something. I'm not asking for much.

 

[Serenity_Tam]

Why do boys suddenly think they know more about a job so many of us have been doing for years?

Is this sudden? Was I just ignoring it before? What even happened?

 

[AerynShade]

Why do boys suddenly think they know more about a job so many of us have been doing for years?

Is this sudden? Was I just ignoring it before? What even happened?

I feel like it happens in waves.

 

[HotRod556]

Lol sounds like someone REALLY wanted to watch a gold show and no one was tipping.

LOL it was gold shows not starting with like 40+ in the room that gave me the idea so I was upset. Even funnier it was one of yours and a two girl gold show also one other model. Not sure if ok to use names. But that shit pisses me off. And then you have put gold in again. And the shows are fucking great. And count down chat great. So yeah when see room 40+ and I have to put back in because countdown. Im like WTF. I wrote this and let my friend read it. And she thought it funny and really liked the last part. And I wasn't going to post it on here at all. Cause my adderall thought process might need to be kept to myself. But trying to write shit really takes my mind off of dumb,bad thoughts. But its not the same when I write and not share. Like if no one said anything then I wouldnt post. But i'm so glad I posted this one I thought it was funny. So didn't think it would get much maybe funny faces. Also 25% part I almost cut out because I thought it took away from the funny. But I glad I did not.

 

[HotRod556]

This interestingly, I pay all of my taxes because I do not want to commit tax fraud. Personally, I have no problem paying taxes because I do not want the IRS on my ass. Just because you are an indie cam model...does not mean that you should avoid paying taxes.

You know how I feel about smiley faces. It's not far. And I don't wanna pay please don't make me. I'm sorry. ill try to remember but its so hard like when im talking I swear the dumbass filter working. For reals. But I think when im typing my brain forgets. That fingers need to be run though dumbass,keep 2 self, and a brand new UCANTDELETETHIS filter. So im sorry. And really you're killing me with the smiley faces.

 

[HotRod556]

It has happened.[/QUOT
OMG lol I cut something out of my reply funny

 

[AudriTwo]

Even funnier it was one of yours..

Lol. Man, that sucks. I'm sorry everyone were being complete fuckboys and pussies that night. I hope you have seen one of my shows since then.

 

[Fatquack]

Saying on a public forum that you commit tax fraud, now that is smart.

 

[SaffronBurke]

And then you have put gold in again. And the shows are fucking great. And count down chat great. So yeah when see room 40+ and I have to put back in because countdown.

You only get charged once the show goes through, so I don't see the problem with this. I have a member account. I join gold shows. Sometimes they don't go through the first time, but do the second. Big whoop, you have to put in your bid again. It's not that hard. Some models actually plan for the countdown to be not met the first time, but go through the second.

 

[HotRod556]

You only get charged once the show goes through, so I don't see the problem with this. I have a member account. I join gold shows. Sometimes they don't go through the first time, but do the second. Big whoop, you have to put in your bid again. It's not that hard. Some models actually plan for the countdown to be not met the first time, but go through the

Lol. Man, that sucks. I'm sorry everyone were being complete fuckboys and pussies that night. I hope you have seen one of my shows since then.

Oh I have. But last two weeks I've been dealing with dumb shit. And have only been in sweetheart's chat. Im sure she needs a break poor girl has a crackhead magnet. And I need to say hi to everyone. And I'm also thinking about trying to write a "things not to over look in hotrod post and comments" But I think it would be a lot more fun if I left out hotrod. And just assume all the ones will get quoted back to me. Proven my point and funny to think about. Like just now. "My point" Would it get any feedback? I have no way of keeping it from "ego free" sounding.

 

[papichulo80]

How can any of you even understand what he is saying?
I swear I have no idea what any of his posts are about.

 

[AudriTwo]

How can any of you even understand what he is saying?
I swear I have no idea what any of his posts are about.

I speak ramblings. Lol.

 

[EmilyRay]

This post should be pinned to the top of every girls chat lol