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And before I post anything, I just wanna post it for you @AudriTwo And also. I double space after periods. That habit ain't going to change anytime soon.

"Whatever happened to just jerking off?"

I would add that Arthur video about "Why do people lie on the internet?", but it's not really relevant in this case.

I think mostly everyone knows by now of the spider web I won't leave behind. I got bit twice by fantasy and reality (Damn is was cold in December!) and here I am. Armored up. Thinking cap on. Ready for round three.

But what's different this time? We'll I had already eluded to some extra work that someone does and also how I felt I needed a bit of a win before I could leave it all behind. It's a matter of score and I'm down 0-2. But who really wins? There's a chance it could backfire and I could end up getting sucked deeper into the rabbit hole if in fact I am able to score and she will certainly come out with a nice bit of pocket change. But. I digress.

What's different is that my ego is something fierce these days and my attitude has changed as well. And..

  • I'm not the frustrated, obsessed man who's in her room every time she logs in and is banned almost on a bi weekly basis for stressing her out so much that she verbally argues with while on cam. (Same guy who dropped her real name in public chat) "FUCK YOU ::username::" Only to come back everyday with "hey beautiful", watches her feed from another sites while he's banned, and still tips her with tipnotes begging for pms and telling her how much he cares for her.
  • I'm not the rich old man who bankrolls her every month with hours upon hours of pvt time. Sometimes 6-8 hours in one night. I assume talking up a storm about himself. She's told me before "he tells stories to all the models and now he want me to love him." He's also talked to her about meeting him before and she gave him the old "Oh, but I want you to come when you have more free time and energy." I guess she's still telling him that since that was sometime last year and the old man is still around. And I'm pretty sure that ain't ever going to happen.
  • And I'm definitely not the desperate head-over-heels-in-"Love"-with-her guy who needs to tell all of public chat "She is MY lady." Sometimes other funny stuff leaks into public chat as well. "Baby, please baby think about what we talked about. I love you" "Please baby please send me a goodnight snap" I mean. Goddamn dude. Begging for a goodnight snap? You don't have her number on what'sapp? Couldn't she just send you a picture there? Fucks sake.
  • Nor am I that other old, boring sap who showers her with compliments each time in an effort to "score points with her" as he so eloquently put it. His pocket book doesn't seem that deep since I hardly ever see the guy tip, but like many others is there like a puppy, drooling at the mouth for every inch of clothing dropped.
  • Or the "My ex girlfriend was a super model" guy who "has no problem paying her bills for her" and is so hopeful to make this girl his girlfriend. But I low-key suspect he sort of wised up after reading an anonymous review about how "I agree she is a romance scammer. A buddy of mine paid her rent several months to meet her. She also called him her bf." But he still comes around too.

Nah, I feel a bit wiser to the game. Hence Phoenix4987 v2. I know I'm a bit of a stud, especially now that I've started working out again and got some of my old Marine Corps abs back. I'm not hanging around her room nightly like I was before, even when my tokens had dried up, nor do we text everyday like we used to.

I'm there only when I have tokens. I'll tip what I got for the night and bounce. Or take her pvt.

But the last little skype session we had was more of a mind-game playing between us and even though it was fun. It sort of left me with a feeling, that I shouldn't get shows from her for a bit.

I was drinking wine and we were just talking. Then some sexy music came on and I asked her if it made her feel like dancing. She obliged and I finished my glass. But she got a little frustrated and said that me sitting there watching her and drinking wine turned her off and that I looked bossy to do it.

So in a teasing way, I said, if you want to see more of my body you can just ask. So what do you want? And she asked I make a strip tease for her. I did. but left my underwear barely hanging on. And she kept going and then I dropped them and said like "I think you wanted to see this, since I can't just sit and watch" And she was like "Well you're not sitting at the tv to just sit there and watch."

In a cocky way, I say "Oh you want me to masturbate?" And she says "It's not that you have to masturbate, ok then stop, sit and watch don't touch" I said "no?" "No, just sit and watch, let's see if you can until the end." Some other little mind game banter about her telling me not to touch, and I say "We'll I do what I want" She's like, "you should listen to the queen" I said "sometimes it's better not to listen ;)"

I realize in case A or case B I lose. Case A, I sit there and listen to her, but prove I can watch without masturbating. But still lose because I did what she said and it puts her in control. Case B, I masturbate and don't listen to her, but still lose because I'm still doing what she wanted while giving her the satisfaction of me masturbating.

So, I'm kinda stuck pondering. How can I show interest, but not look desperate? But not look like a total dick either? I can't just be direct and say "I pay you for X" because even if she is an escort or something similar, she doesn't like to be approached that way. I can be the nice, funny, teasing member who has fun and interesting things to say, but isn't pouring on heavy, thick compliments. I feel somehow like masturbating to her makes me reek of desperation and gives her this sexual power over me, especially when I pay her for it. But I'm not quite certain, I can't not look desperate, if I plan on flying to another country again to go hangout with someone. Even if it's well within my budget to do so.

So, do I stay away from privates? And that way I can show her I'm interested in her, but not in a virtual way? And also, getting shows (even if I'm buying a service that's being offered) feels a little bit like forcing intimacy to happen when it otherwise isn't welcomed. Even if it's a job and that's what it is, it feels like I'm treating her like a model or at the very least I'm acting just like a member.

To let's say 90%, yes the job is the job is the job. But I just know that with this person in particular, the opportunity is there if the chess game is played right.
 
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I'll refrain from saying anything snarky. You know what you're doing, and I imagine it certainly breaks up her standard pvt routine. But don't be shocked if this doesn't end the way you want it.

Best of luck!
 
Haha I'm sure I made it a little bit interesting, but I don't think I get any points awarded for originality or confidence. I mean, sometimes, she plays along, but it is like pulling teeth.

I'm thinking of just staying out of pvt and stick to just stopping by for some fun conversation. Being the "classy gentleman" type. I had to do a little bit of repairing to show I'm not a pussy and that she ain't in control. Now I guess it's just damage control and seeing if my "esteemed" approach can win her over a bit. There's a big difference between flirty/cocky and desperate compliments. And I'm definitely not trying to be the boring, predictable type either.

If she met me under the guise of a "friend", with no $. She'll do it again if there's some ka-ching involved with a marked change in my behavior from the needy, friend-zoned guy to a classier chap who can treat a lady well and respect her without a constant need for validation.

Whether I win or not, we'll. Who knows. I've accepted the possibility that it won't ever happen, but I will try a different approach and see if there's any change in outcome. If not, I already know at which point to call it quits.
 
So, I'm kinda stuck pondering. How can I show interest, but not look desperate?

be interesting, say you're interested, and if she's not interested in you, too, move on.

I don't think she was trying to log into Tinder and ended up on cam by mistake.
treating cams like craigslist personals inherently makes you look desperate, IMO. (maybe some girls want to find a desperate guy they can drain the sugar out of, but is that what you're hoping for?)
 
I'm thinking of just staying out of pvt and stick to just stopping by for some fun conversation. Being the "classy gentleman" type. I had to do a little bit of repairing to show I'm not a pussy and that she ain't in control.

if you want to fuck her, and you're not fucking her, she's in control.

"the one who loves least controls the relationship"
 
be interesting, say you're interested, and if she's not interested in you, too, move on.

I don't think she was trying to log into Tinder and ended up on cam by mistake.
treating cams like craigslist personals inherently makes you look desperate, IMO. (maybe some girls want to find a desperate guy they can drain the sugar out of, but is that what you're hoping for?)

lol good analogy. Nah, as I stated she's got other work besides camming. So I just wanna get what's available and be done with it. Fell for 1 hustle. Came back, tried to be straight and get to know the more real person. Fell for that hustle. 0-2. So, I just want to see if it's possible to open up that backpage door and be done with it. When it comes to offer time, she's free to make her own decision from the safety of her own space well on the other side of the globe. But I'm not going to stick around if it comes back a "no."

It's more about trying to change that 0-2, to a 1/2-3. In the end, I'd like to at least walk away with half a win and another crazy story to have.
 
...what if I told you that she is likely just trying to do her job, and you are reading way too much into this? If you found her escort ad or have a legitimate reason to believe she escorts, just ask her. Beating around the bush is annoying. If you are just going off a hunch, well there's your problem. Chances are she doesn't want to date you regardless.

Bottom line is you are reading way too much into this situation and projecting your own feelings onto an interaction unnecessarily, potentially at the expense of your relationship with this model. It's really creepy. Chill. I can guarantee she is not losing sleep over any of this.
 
I wouldn't be saying she is one off of a "hunch."

At my first suspicion (a conversation I happened to see in public chat on AW, albeit was in Romanian. And likely she didn't know I was there at the time and definitely didn't think anyone else in the room understood Romanian) I did ask her. But was just met with a bunch of diverting, avoiding, spinning bizarre shit around and then changing the subject.

Basically the same shit she does every time she's caught in a lie. And she's notorious for lying. I don't want to write a book. Just take a look at the little bit I wrote about the different members above and you'll find a glimpse.

Not only just this, but lots of other things to. She definitely "let one slip" while we were smoking outside as her sister had to go in and pay our lunch tab.

The bottom line is you don't really know her. And it's a little clear that you don't fully understand. I'm not interested in dating her. I have no romantic feelings for her, nor will I ever. I don't think of her a trustworthy person when it comes to any bullshit that comes out of her mouth or keyboard. And I'm just trying to get something that I know older, less attractive dudes have gotten for definitely a lot less than I've spent on her in the time knowing her.

We're on the last leg of our "relationship" that should have ended a long time ago. I only stuck around for a desire to not just lose completely before I left. There's no "feelings" to be projected. It's just a game for me as much as it is for her. Not only with me but all the idiots who fall for her shit.
 
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If she is lying about it to you, that would imply she has no interest in meeting you. Now it just reads like you have some ego-driven need to prove you can get something that she isn't interested in offering, which is disturbing. Go outside, get some perspective.
 
If she is lying about it to you, that would imply she has no interest in meeting you. Now it just reads like you have some ego-driven need to prove you can get something that she isn't interested in offering, which is disturbing. Go outside, get some perspective.

We already have met. Clearly you're not reading anything I type. Anyway, thanks for your marvelous insight.
 
...where did you say you met her? I saw you mentioned being in her AdultWork room. Is this the same chick you tried to visit a while back? There is so much gobbledegook in this thread, mixed with speculation and other ramblings, that it is difficult to get what the actual scenario is.

Either way it is obvious you are not interested in a perspective outside your own, and you are going to go what you are going to do. I am just saying you will save yourself some energy and gray hair if you just drop it and interact normally. Though I guess you get off on this so whatever. You do you, just know that this whole thing comes off as pathological.
 
Ya same chick I saw in December. I am going to act normally. I just don't want to get anymore privates. Just going to show up and talk, be the fun person I am. Before I wasn't so fun. I can admit to that. And I can see why things went the way they did. Just trying to recover and repair from all that and see if I get the green light. I don't see what's so pathological about trying to be a better person and see if I get the results I want.
 
I don't see what's so pathological about trying to be a better person and see if I get the results I want.

a bunch of diverting, avoiding, spinning bizarre shit around and then changing the subject. . . .
Basically the same shit she does every time she's caught in a lie. And she's notorious for lying.
I'm not interested in dating her. . . .
I don't think of her a trustworthy person . . .
It's just a game for me as much as it is for her. . . .
I'm just trying to get something that I know older, less attractive dudes have gotten for definitely a lot less than I've spent on her in the time knowing her.

I'm getting the impression you just want to hate-fuck her and then be done with her. Sounds a lot like 'pathological' and not much like a 'better person'. Am I misinterpreting you?
 
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Just trying to recover and repair from all that and see if I get the green light. I don't see what's so pathological about trying to be a better person and see if I get the results I want.

The green light? The green light to do...what, exactly? I'm confused. You say you have no interest in dating, you don't trust this person, you're on the "last leg of your relationship"

...what exactly are you trying to accomplish, here?
 
Sooo..if I'm understanding correctly. You basically want to change how you interact with her so that you can see her again in person and fuck???

That course of action is the definition of being manipulative and ego-driven, especially if you have no interest in her/don't trust her. Why are you wasting all this energy on someone if that's how you feel towards them? Why are you even trying to take "the last leg of your "relationship" " off the Internet in the first place?? Yea, you guys met before but what's the point of meeting again?

All this just seems like you're definitely trying to win this thing y'all got going and it definitely is making you look desperate because you're so focused on going through with it.
 
You come across very analytical in your approach to relationships

It seems like you treat your interactions like a game you're trying to win, I don't think that's healthy

If you like her, the goal of your relationship should be mutual enjoyment of each others company; you can't claim to like someone if your overall aim is for them to lose..
 
Boy I don't disappoint when I promise fire do I?

Eh. Life's too short for boring storylines.

Call it pathological, call it desperate. It is what it is. In the end it is entertaining and she is making money.

It could be worse. I could be like those other members I described.

But. eh. Who's to know what the future holds. Maybe I'll get bored of her. Maybe things will get better. I'm just here for the ride
 
You already lose. You are actively losing again and again the more time, thought, and effort you put into this.
The only way you could have possibly "won" in this situation is to have backed out of the relationship when you realized it wasn't going the way you wanted.

You don't want to come across as desperate, but this is the most desperate thing I have ever read. She knows it. You will never get what you want from her.

It could be worse. I could be like those other members I described.

You need to take a long hard look in the mirror, you are way worse than any of those other members you have described.
 
Boy I don't disappoint when I promise fire do I?

Eh. Life's too short for boring storylines.

Call it pathological, call it desperate. It is what it is. In the end it is entertaining and she is making money.

It could be worse. I could be like those other members I described.

But. eh. Who's to know what the future holds. Maybe I'll get bored of her. Maybe things will get better. I'm just here for the ride
How are you somehow better than other members? I don't get it. You aren't clingy, obsessed, or in love like other members? This whole thing comes across as you being all those things though. Especially obsessed.

It seems like you love playing head games with people and honestly that creeps me the hell out. If I ever read something like this from one of my members I would be running so fast away because this is insanely unhealthy.
 
Sounds like you are in a good spot. Got your youth, health, money, free to travel to Romania...I am envious.

As long as you are having fun and nobody is getting hurt, I don't judge you. But if you happen to be be back that way, kinda keep your eyes peeled. I hear there is gold there. Have fun with the shiny bauble, but don't forget there may be a fortune lying there quietly beneath your feet.

Romarinians (1/2 Romanian, 1/2 Marine) are my favorite mixed-breed.

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You're so sure you're unlike other, "worse" members that it's really hilarious.

And you being so convinced what a stud you are is equally hilarious.

Thanks for the laugh.

I'm all for constructive criticism like every one else posted in a mature manner, but personal attacks are a bit childish don't you think?
 
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I'm all for constructive criticism like every one else posted in a mature manner, but personal attacks are a bit childish don't you think?

wanting the attention of a girl you don't like or trust just because uglier older boys got more than attention from her seems a bit childish, don't you think?

given that you have so much money to waste, surely you know enough about business to know 2 things: how and when to cut your losses, and the opportunity cost--that not all of your losses are counted in dollars and cents (time and mental energy are also important currencies).
 
I'm so confused... Your writing style is bizarre and really doesn't make much sense, and I'm clearly not the only person who thinks so.
All I could really get from it is you sound like the sort of member I would rather never visit me. The "I'm better looking than other guys so I should get special attention" type. This always irks me, I don't care what a member looks like, how old they are etc. It's a cam site, I can't even see them. And I'm definitely not there to date or have sex. All I care about is how they treat me as a person (and in private if they're good at dirty chat and let me do my thing). To be perfectly honest I don't even care in real life what people look like, looks and age are pretty low on my list of reasons to date/sleep with someone.
Maybe this isn't you, but it did rather sound like it. And like you're thinking wayy too hard about it and playing games. As though it's an ego/power trip to try to get in with a camgirl. Why not go out to a bar and have a flirt with a lady there? Or if you prefer camgirls then just tell them what you want, if you like the power trip then power play is a genuine thing (and can be very hot), but it sounds like you're not doing it in a hot way, more of a whiny brattish way. Ask if they're ok with you being in control and doing what you want in private shows. If they don't know that turns you on then they might think you prefer them being in control.
 
It could be worse. I could be like those other members I described.

I would much rather have all of the members you listed in my room than someone who gets off on mind games. At least the other guys a more honest.
 
I double space after periods. That habit ain't going to change anytime soon.
Only posting in here to say, no you don't. Unless the forum auto-corrects double spaces, you've put a single space after every period in your posts.

Carry on.
 
testing. testing.
testing. testing.

edit: apparently it does autocorrect. Not sure if bug, or feature. As you were...
 
I would much rather have all of the members you listed in my room than someone who gets off on mind games. At least the other guys a more honest.

*Obsessively dissects every interaction with a model, brain storms ways to win mind games with her, creates multiple threads on a forum for advice on the situation, spends thousands of dollars to repair his fragile ego*
Could be worse, at least I'm not showering her with compliments or begging her for a goodnight snap!
 
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