The Black Lives Matters thread.

[Nordling]

Ya, but it's pretty obvious she was just another white pants suit drama queen trying to abuse the system for her advantage.

Have to agree. This cop was very polite, and gave her tons of time to do her weird scene.

 

[Osmia]

I was doing some googling for guidance on how to behave when pulled over by police for a traffic violation.

This one seems very helpful, detailed and balanced:
http://woai.iheart.com/articles/local-news-119078/your-rights-and-responsibilities-in-a-13792457/

Same here, from the ACLU (obviously not "pro police").
https://aclu-wa.org/what-do-if-youre-stopped-police

Here are the driver's responsibilities, according to the ACLU:

• Be polite and respectful.
• Stay calm and in control of your words, body language, and emotions.
• Don't get into an argument with the police.
• Remember, anything you say or do can be used against you.
• Keep your hands where the police can see them.
• Don't run. Don't touch any police officer.
• Don't resist even if you believe you are innocent.
• Don't complain on the scene; you can do this later.

I think a large part of the difficulty this woman had at the traffic stop was because she was driving a car. Legally, driving a car is considered a privilege, not a right, so a driver is legally obligated to show ID, proof of insurance, vehicle registration if applicable, without complaint or resistance.

 

[Osmia]

Good article in the New Yorker about Bryan Stevenson, a civil rights activist and an attorney dedicated to getting people off death row. I hadn't heard of him before; he's quite an interesting guy.

His activism focuses on helping today's Americans confront and remember the practice of lynching of black Americans (lynching "...took the form of hangings, shootings, beatings, and other acts of murder, [and] were often public events, urged on by thousands, but by the nineteen-thirties the behavior of the crowds had begun to draw criticism in the North").

Here are a few excerpts. In this first one, he explains his theory that the end of legal segregation soon transitioned into overzealous legal prosecution and punishment by the criminal justice system:

Stevenson believes that too little attention has been paid to the hostility of whites to the civil-rights movement. “Where did all of those people go?” he said. “They had power in 1965. They voted against the Voting Rights Act, they voted against the Civil Rights Act, they were still here in 1970 and 1975 and 1980. And there was never a time when people said, ‘Oh, you know that thing about segregation forever? Oh, we were wrong. We made a mistake. That was not good.’ They never said that. And it just shifted. So they stopped saying ‘Segregation forever,’ and they said, ‘Lock them up and throw away the key.’ ”

That point is elaborated by a law professor at a conference on the topic, who said, “In one sense, the death penalty is clearly a substitute for lynching. One of the main justifications for the use of the death penalty, especially in the South, was that it served to avoid lynching. The number of people executed rises tremendously at the end of the lynching era. And there’s still incredible overlap between places that had lynching and places that continue to use the death penalty.”

During the controversy, Stevenson visited the University of Texas Law School, in Austin, for a conference on the relationship between the death penalty and lynching. Jordan Steiker, the professor who convened the meeting . . . and his sister Carol, a professor at Harvard Law School, have written a forthcoming book, “Courting Death: The Supreme Court and Capital Punishment,” which explores the links between lynching and state-sponsored executions. The Steikers write, “The practice of lynching constituted ‘a form of unofficial capital punishment’ that in its heyday was even more common than the official kind.”

. . . . “The only reason lynchings stopped in the American South was that the spectacle of the crowds cheering these murders was becoming problematic,” Stevenson told me. “Local law enforcement was powerless to stop the mob, even if it wanted to. So people in the North started to say that the federal government needed to send in federal troops to protect black people from these acts of terror. No one in power in the South wanted that—so they moved the lynchings indoors, in the form of executions. They guaranteed swift, sure, certain death after the trial, rather than before the trial.”

Another of Stevenson's projects is a large memorial to lynching victims. There will be one column, with victims' names, for each county (anywhere) where documented lynchings took place. The twist is that Stevenson wants those counties to claim their respective columns and take them back for display locally, so that the ones that are left will, essentially, shame and pressure those counties to act by their continued presence at the memorial. The local city government supports it based on the likelihood that it will bring in a lot of tourist dollars. Others oppose it, or at least have concerns about it, because it's seen as dredging up the unpleasant past (of course, that's what memorials are often designed to do, to make us remember).

The soil-collection project is part of a plan to erect the first national memorial to lynching victims, to be built on six acres of vacant land in downtown Montgomery. The project will cost twenty million dollars, and will include a museum at E.J.I. headquarters. It will transform the look, and perhaps the reputation, of Montgomery. A key part of the plan is a dare to the communities in which the lynchings took place. “We’re going to name thousands of people who were the victims of lynchings,” Stevenson told the group before they received their trowels and jars. “We’re going to create a space where you can walk and spend time and go through that represents these lynchings. But, more than that, we’re going to challenge every county in this country where a lynching took place to come and claim a memorial piece—and to erect it in their county.”

From a distance, the lynching memorial, designed by Michael Murphy and a team from the Design Group, of Boston, will look like a long, low colonnade. Once visitors enter the structure and follow the path downhill, they will see that the columns are hanging in the air, as if from trees. Each column is six feet tall. The current plans call for the soil collected by volunteers to be used in coloring their exteriors. There will be eight hundred and one columns, one for each county and state in which a lynching took place. The names of the victims and the dates of the lynchings will be inscribed on the columns.

The memorial also has a more provocative component. Adjacent to the colonnade will be another eight hundred and one columns, exact duplicates. Each county in which a lynching took place will be invited to remove its memorial column and display it in its own community. The columns that remain in Montgomery will stand in mute rebuke to the places that refuse to acknowledge their history of lynching. “For us, it’s the kind of activism that has clarity, purpose, and a goal,” Stevenson told me. “Sometimes the goals aren’t very clear or very well articulated, and you don’t know whether you’re getting closer or not. This will give us a way of measuring that. We’ll know the places that are resisting, and it should build pressure on those communities, and the people in those communities, that are either not doing enough or need to do more.”

 

[justjoinedtopost]

"The bad guy is the bad guy no matter what color he is (and he is black)"

This destroys stereotypes I had of Maine.

 

[Oliver]

Loving the responses! I hate the catalyst but apparently society needed a push to get out of this comfort zone we snuggled into in regards to race relations. I hate all the conflict but for the first time in forever I can feel progress. Not complaining but people actually getting up and doing something about it. I of course think there could be more done. I saw one specific idea here

http://mobmental.org/post/148091460688/the-safeguard-coalition

We need more viable solutions while we still have the public's fleeting attention. What can we do as individuals? Collectively? I say lets start asking everybody these questions no matter the race

 

[MikeTO]

Having worked closely with police as a public librarian I can say... most the cops I've met are incredibly racist. They'd purposefully escalate situations with non-white passing people. Situations that I'd have been able to handle nonviolently and without much verbal confrontation either.

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It really nothing to do with racism. it has to do with getting as man people in prision. Blacks at least in the poor areas tend to be loud and aggressive. The city's goal is to get as much income as they can. Look at some how of these low life blacks behave. I used to work in a poor white area and it's nothing like the black areas.
Black people are getting shot not because of racism it's because they don't follow orders. Now due to the BLM cops are less likely to arrest black criminals because they fear label as racists. Thanks to BLM more and more black will get away with crime.


George Soros a billionaire funded BLM to cause a race war.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...ots-provide-unique-opportunity-reform-police/

 

[mynameisbob84]

It really nothing to do with racism. it has to do with getting as man people in prision. Blacks at least in the poor areas tend to be loud and aggressive. The city's goal is to get as much income as they can. Look at some how of these low life blacks behave. I used to work in a poor white area and it's nothing like the black areas.
Black people are getting shot not because of racism it's because they don't follow orders. Now due to the BLM cops are less likely to arrest black criminals because they fear label as racists. Thanks to BLM more and more black will get away with crime.


George Soros a billionaire funded BLM to cause a race war.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...ots-provide-unique-opportunity-reform-police/

Oh, is that what it is? I thought the issue might be a little more complex than "black people are naughty" but you seem to have a handle on the situation, so I guess that's that.

 

[MikeTO]

I guess Asian lives don't matter, right? A rapper promoting in his song to break into Asian homes. We all know this is dangerous because these criminals tend to have guns.

Rapper YG’s Song ‘Meet the Flockers’ Sparks Protests, Accusations of Targeting Asian Americans

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-a...sparks-protests-accusations-targeting-n666426

 

[EspiKvlt]

I guess Asian lives don't matter, right? A rapper promoting in his song to break into Asian homes. We all know this is dangerous because these criminals tend to have guns.

Rapper YG’s Song ‘Meet the Flockers’ Sparks Protests, Accusations of Targeting Asian Americans

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-a...sparks-protests-accusations-targeting-n666426

Pretty sure everyone agrees that's fucked up. And you posted a link to a top news channel, so clearly it got attention.

People being racist towards your ethnicity doesn't make racism towards black people suddenly meaningless.

 

[MikeTO]

Oh, is that what it is? I thought the issue might be a little more complex than "black people are naughty" but you seem to have a handle on the situation, so I guess that's that.

Well it is more complicated than that but I don't have time right now and most people will not bother researching into it. I have been the black community over 6 months. Listening to both sides and home these black criminals are created.
I'll make it short for you. Single mothers are breeding these black criminals. Other races of women will breed them too but it all started in the black community. The black community is the test community for anything they want to test and if works with the black community they push it world wide.

 

[EspiKvlt]

The black community is the test community for anything they want to test and if works with the black community they push it world wide.[/QUOTE

Why did no one tell me humans are lab rats? Who Is "they"? The aliens? Are they experimenting on us? Dear god.

 

[MikeTO]

Pretty sure everyone agrees that's fucked up. And you posted a link to a top news channel, so clearly it got attention.

People being racist towards your ethnicity doesn't make racism towards black people suddenly meaningless.

I never said that you're creating a straw man. We are talking about black people getting killed right?

 

[EspiKvlt]

I never said that you're creating a straw man. We are talking about black people getting killed right?

We were, yes. You're talking about eugenics and aliens.

 

[MikeTO]

Why did no one tell me humans are lab rats? Who Is "they"? The aliens? Are they experimenting on us? Dear god.

It's called social engineering formerly aka as eugenics.

 

[EspiKvlt]

It's called social engineering formerly aka as eugenics.

Yes, I have a minor in anthropology, I am well aware.

Learn to joke.

 

[MikeTO]

Yes, I have a minor in anthropology, I am well aware.

Learn to joke.

Learn how to debate, you think people getting kiled is funny? Now because you don't agree with my views you label me as a troll?

 

[JoleneBrody]

Today's mass grave digging is brought to you by cocaine?

 

[mynameisbob84]

Well it is more complicated than that but I don't have time right now and most people will not bother researching into it. I have been the black community over 6 months. Listening to both sides and home these black criminals are created.
I'll make it short for you. Single mothers are breeding these black criminals. Other races of women will breed them too but it all started in the black community. The black community is the test community for anything they want to test and if works with the black community they push it world wide.

So am I to infer from your posts here and... given your recent prolonged exposure to the black community (that may have facilitated some of these tests inadvertently effecting you in addition to the intended black test subjects) that "they" are currently conducting tests to lower intelligence and promote ignorance?

 

[EspiKvlt]

Learn how to debate, you think people getting kiled is funny? Now because you don't agree with my views you label me as a troll?

At first your post just said "Learn to debate."

Quite the leap there, buckaroo.

 

[MikeTO]

Today's mass grave digging is brought to you by cocaine?

I do not do drugs and you're using personal attacks instead of discussing the issue. It is clear, that you people are low life that can't think for yourselves.

 

[MikeTO]

So am I to infer from your posts here and... given your recent prolonged exposure to the black community (that may have facilitated some of these tests inadvertently effecting you in addition to the intended black test subjects) that "they" are currently conducting tests to lower intelligence and promote ignorance?

black men are saying the same shit I'm saying and I have researched it. I didn't pull it out of my ass like some people on here.

 

[JoleneBrody]

I do not do drugs and you're using personal attacks instead of discussing the issue. It is clear, that you people are low life that can't think for yourselves.

Poking fun at you for grave digging a thread that hasn't been posted in for months in such a bizarre way was the only purpose of me posting at all. I'm not trying to make a point about the issue at hand... I'm literally just poking fun at you.

 

[BlairLuxe]

Well it is more complicated than that but I don't have time right now and most people will not bother researching into it. I have been the black community over 6 months. Listening to both sides and home these black criminals are created.
I'll make it short for you. Single mothers are breeding these black criminals. Other races of women will breed them too but it all started in the black community. The black community is the test community for anything they want to test and if works with the black community they push it world wide.

By your theory, black people are being used as test subjects by the great and powerful "they", so that must mean that black people are the most subjugated and least powerful among us, yeah? Maybe you should redirect your energy from racism into legitimate social change if you think that "they" are doing that to black people.

 

[MikeTO]

By your theory, black people are being used as test subjects by the great and powerful "they", so that must mean that black people are the most subjugated and least powerful among us, yeah? Maybe you should redirect your energy from racism into legitimate social change if you think that "they" are doing that to black people.

This is according to a black man not my opinion or theory like you claim. His observation. Before you say stupid shit like this maybe you should ask me?
I am trying to make changes I'm been talking to black men on youtube. I suggest a black men's website and they created one. Stick with something you know which is obviously caming.

 

[JoleneBrody]

This is according to a black man not my opinion or theory like you claim. His observation. Before you say stupid shit like this maybe you should ask me?
I am trying to make changes I'm been talking to black men on youtube. I suggest a black men's website and they created one. Stick with something you know which is obviously caming.

Dude... she actually respectfully conversed with you considering the wackiness of your very confusing posts, without insulting you and this is how you react?
I mean, I was a rude bitch for sure but she wasn't at all and you still insulted her for not being 100% on your train?
If you want people to have meaningful discussions with you, this isn't going to help facilitate that.

 

[MikeTO]

 

[MikeTO]

Cops face increasing threat from black violence, says Pew Report Surprised?
So who is going to protect the citizens?

 

[MikeTO]

Black Lives Matter: The Black Racist LGBT Group [part one]


Black Lives Matter: The Black Racist LGBT Group [part two]

 

[MikeTO]

My experience with Black Lives Matter

 

[MikeTO]

A race war is coming!