The Black Lives Matters thread.

[MikeTO]

If "all lives mattered" wouldn't one have to ask why a group called "black lives matter" was created in the first place?

Wouldn't that be considered stating the obvious? But for BLM to exist there must be something there that's not being discussed or talked about so therefor they created a space to discuss it.

And in my personal opinion, if you're going to support a group -their ideas, their goals it shouldn't matter what the name is called you support the movement-not the name. Getting hung up on the name just shows that people don't understand how to support something that doesn't benefit them directly. I.e. Someone saying "breast cancer awareness"? Why not "just cancer awareness", why specify breast cancer- aren't all cancers bad? Shouldn't we be focusing on curing all types of cancer?!?!?-I'm not going to support this organization because it doesn't include all cancer awareness-even though I support finding a cure for cancer in general."

If a person doesn't agree with the motivations and goals behind why the group was created nor support the things theyre trying to achieve-then fine. But to not support BECAUSE a name doesn't make you/others feel included just proves peoples egocentric/egotistical behaviors.

Stupid shit black women say. It gets tiring. There are black women out there and even black men that get that BLM solves NOTHING. I don't want to join a movement with a victim mentality. I was the mgtow community did the very same thing. Crying victim and the hatred of women. BLM is no different

 

[BlairLuxe]

Now you will look stupid because I was setting a trap.

 

[MikeTO]

• Is police brutality bad. Yes
• Should police be able to get away with it. No
• Should something be done about it since they are. Yes

Would the majority of people agree with the above? id certainly like to think so

The fact BLM have failed to get people behind such a simple and agreeable argument is really an astounding failure

From their name to their protests, instead of uniting everyone around a just cause, they have created division

How the hell can people agree when BLM was blocking fucking traffic? Even black men were upset over the stupid shit! These people are NOT working and using section 8. On top of that they are beating up white people. Do you honestly think I'm stupid enough to support a crazy movement? Look at the feminism movement who are actually talking about feminists now. Third wave feminists are just as bat shit crazy as BLM.
You know when you are accusing people of a crime you better make damn sure you're correctly because you look like an idiot. For example Brock Turner wasn't a rapist but people felt he was one. When in the court documents proved he wasn't a rapist. People based things on feelings.

 

[justjoinedtopost]

If a person doesn't agree with the motivations and goals behind why the group was created nor support the things theyre trying to achieve-then fine. But to not support BECAUSE a name doesn't make you/others feel included just proves peoples egocentric/egotistical behaviors.

I have chit chatted with a few black people about this topic over the last several months, and have met with some negative opinions that have nothing to do with the name.

 

[LioraVox]

Stupid shit black women say. It gets tiring. There are black women out there and even black men that get that BLM solves NOTHING. I don't want to join a movement with a victim mentality. I was the mgtow community did the very same thing. Crying victim and the hatred of women. BLM is no different

I have chit chatted with a few black people about this topic over the last several months, and have met with some negative opinions that have nothing to do with the name.

That's nice? Not all black people have to/are going to agree nor support BLM. My boyfriend doesn't agree with BLM because he doesn't feel it's inclusive enough- not only by the name but by the actions of people that support it. He feels there's too much negativity at the top which then deters people from actually getting involved. He has a perspective of BLM having a victim mentality & only doing bad stuff: blocking traffic/taking over someone's mic/telling non-poc who want to be a part of the discussion to just shut up or saying "you aren't a part of this"/ calling other black people "coons" because they don't agree with them etc. etc.

And I, as a "black woman who says stupid shit", can acknowledge and agree that those things are not a good look for BLM as a whole. But I can equally say that I have done my own research about the group and found positive things about BLM that I truly support. Unlike others, like my boyfriend, who only see one perspective and deems BLM as a bullshit group that solves nothing, blames everything on white people/white supremacy without acknowledging their own part in the hindrance of black people/the black community.

If someone doesn't support a group -thats okay. But if you support the idea of "I want to end the systematic racism that black people face" - why wouldn't you find aspects within that group that share your ideas? Why would you let the name/ negative news/ or even the people who have "victim mentality" deter you from supporting an idea of your own?

 

[Guy]

Stupid shit black women say.

@AmberCutie Thanks for banning that racist guy.

 

[Mikey_P]

I don't think he is racist, just a little cranky.

 

[mynameisbob84]

Careful, mate. He has an extensive background in martial arts.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

That's nice? Not all black people have to/are going to agree nor support BLM. My boyfriend doesn't agree with BLM because he doesn't feel it's inclusive enough- not only by the name but by the actions of people that support it. He feels there's too much negativity at the top which then deters people from actually getting involved. He has a perspective of BLM having a victim mentality & only doing bad stuff: blocking traffic/taking over someone's mic/telling non-poc who want to be a part of the discussion to just shut up or saying "you aren't a part of this"/ calling other black people "coons" because they don't agree with them etc. etc.

And I, as a "black woman who says stupid shit", can acknowledge and agree that those things are not a good look for BLM as a whole. But I can equally say that I have done my own research about the group and found positive things about BLM that I truly support. Unlike others, like my boyfriend, who only see one perspective and deems BLM as a bullshit group that solves nothing, blames everything on white people/white supremacy without acknowledging their own part in the hindrance of black people/the black community.

If someone doesn't support a group -thats okay. But if you support the idea of "I want to end the systematic racism that black people face" - why wouldn't you find aspects within that group that share your ideas? Why would you let the name/ negative news/ or even the people who have "victim mentality" deter you from supporting an idea of your own?

You have a smart boyfriend hang on to him.

One of my biggest issues with BLM or at least the media portrayal of them is they represent the views of almost all black people in the country. I know that isn't true, but outside of a handful of very conservatives blacks, like Larry Elders, you seldom see them on TV. So I appreciate you sharing with us your BF's views.

One of the things, I most appreciated about President Obama was the even-handed way he dealt with racial relations in his speeches. As a white person, it is a hell of a lot easier to acknowledge that we still have a real problem with racism in this country, after black president points out that not every problem is white people fault. I think it is an important step to finding common ground.

It is impossible to imagine Trump making a nuanced argument.

 

[EspiKvlt]

I don't think he is racist, just a little cranky.

He's literally denying the Holocaust so I'm gonna have to disagree with you there.

 

[Guy]

He's literally denying the Holocaust so I'm gonna have to disagree with you there.

Where did he do that?

 

[EspiKvlt]

Where did he do that?

On his twitter. He's mad he got banned.

 

[Guy]

On his twitter. He's mad he got banned.

I checked and he has his tweets protected now.

 

[EspiKvlt]

I checked and he has his tweets protected now.

They aren't for me. Are you sure it's the right twitter account?

https://twitter.com/CanadianDude99/with_replies

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

They aren't for me. Are you sure it's the right twitter account?

https://twitter.com/CanadianDude99/with_replies

The dude's Canadian WTF. He is literally the nastiest Canadian I've ever seen on social media. I'm surprised they haven't deported him to the US.

 

[zippypinhead]

Who could have foreseen this incredible turn of events?

 

[Guy]

They aren't for me. Are you sure it's the right twitter account?

https://twitter.com/CanadianDude99/with_replies

Found it.

 

[justjoinedtopost]

You have a smart boyfriend hang on to him.

One of my biggest issues with BLM or at least the media portrayal of them is they represent the views of almost all black people in the country. I know that isn't true, but outside of a handful of very conservatives blacks, like Larry Elders, you seldom see them on TV. So I appreciate you sharing with us your BF's views.

One of the things, I most appreciated about President Obama was the even-handed way he dealt with racial relations in his speeches. As a white person, it is a hell of a lot easier to acknowledge that we still have a real problem with racism in this country, after black president points out that not every problem is white people fault. I think it is an important step to finding common ground.

It is impossible to imagine Trump making a nuanced argument.

I don't know her bf, so I will hold out on calling him smart; he could be otherwise dumb as a box of rocks for all I know

Media representation is so skewed it is not even funny if you find a bubble to hide in. I can't stand Patriotically Correctness used to undermine real patriotism. Feel about the same way about their counterpart on the left, who are so busy battling feminism and racism on graphs, and churning out gender labels so fast that they threaten to spawn a new species any day now, that they can't afford to address the real issues.

• Is police brutality bad. Yes
• Should police be able to get away with it. No
• Should something be done about it since they are. Yes

...it's not BLM's job to represent everyone and everything.

Yes.

 

[MFCGod]

That's presuming people agree that these cases are police brutality, that police should be limited, etc. Not everyone agrees on those things,.

Id really like to think the majority of people could agree that police brutality is wrong and anyone who abuses their power should be brought to justice and not protected

There's loads of videos where people can't deny or dispute excessive force was used

Well, a small % of people might say "oh they deserve it, they were a criminal!" but they're a fringe

Just like people who would strongly identify themselves as feminists and MRA's are the fringe

^ If you asked the majority of people to make a list of labels for themselves, if mra or feminist makes the list it's going to be way down there below gender, family titles, job titles, hobbies etc

As for representing everyone, if BLM helped lower the rates of police brutality then they would be helping everyone? whether their initial goal is to help everyone or not

 

[dilligaf0]

Maybe we, as a society, should worry less about labels and more about dealing with people as actual people.

 

[Mikey_P]

What I don't understand is when some white people claim BLM is a hate group. To defend their position they often list violent people who have used the slogan "black lives matter" and people who use the hashtag #BlackLivesMatter along with their hate speech. They mistake the foolishness of the few for the platform of BLM, which has nothing to do with violence. Some people are actually dumb enough to think that BLM means that only BLM, which is the dumbest ish ever because any black person or objective white person can easily tell that white lives matter the most in white countries, even in non-white countries! These are obviously the same ppl who hate that Black History month exist and that BET exist! LOL

I've noticed more and more that the so-called tough plain speaking anti-PC crowd have become the most crybaby butthurt offended people in our society. They are the true cowards because they aren't brave enough to say what they truly want to say and deal with the consequences, they want others to make it okay for them to say hurtful things without any consequences! Now they cry victim! These are the same ppl who cry when a black person is racist towards them and then equate name calling with systemic racism!

On the other hand, the progressive overly PC crowd has severely destroyed free thought and are too quick to hurl labels. They get offended by anyone who doesn't think exactly like they think. They want you to be all-in on every special interest position that exists.

The result, people can't just have conversations and agree to this agree or come to some sort of understanding.

Mikey where he at? Where he at? IN THE MIDDLE of the foolishness.

 

[JoleneBrody]

What I don't understand is when some white people claim BLM is a hate group. To defend their position they often list violent people who have used the slogan "black lives matter" and people who use the hashtag #BlackLivesMatter along with their hate speech. They mistake the foolishness of the few for the platform of BLM, which has nothing to do with violence. Some people are actually dumb enough to think that BLM means that only BLM, which is the dumbest ish ever because any black person or objective white person can easily tell that white lives matter the most in white countries, even in non-white countries! These are obviously the same ppl who hate that Black History month exist and that BET exist! LOL

I've noticed more and more that the so-called tough plain speaking anti-PC crowd have become the most crybaby butthurt offended people in our society. They are the true cowards because they aren't brave enough to say what they truly want to say and deal with the consequences, they want others to make it okay for them to say hurtful things without any consequences! Now they cry victim! These are the same ppl who cry when a black person is racist towards them and then equate name calling with systemic racism!

On the other hand, the progressive overly PC crowd has severely destroyed free thought and are too quick to hurl labels. They get offended by anyone who doesn't think exactly like they think. They want you to be all-in on every special interest position that exists.

The result, people can't just have conversations and agree to this agree or come to some sort of understanding.

Mikey where he at? Where he at? IN THE MIDDLE of the foolishness.

In a totally unrelated topic of discussion I was accused of hating Israel once... because apparently as a socially left leaning individual it's a given? I didn't correct the person because it felt pointless to even attempt being a normal person with individual thought at that point, but they couldn't have been further from the truth and I did kind of laugh about it internally.
The idea that you are either over there or over here, it's us vs. them is so completely destructive to the growth of society, our tribalism will be our down fall.

Our current system with parties doesn't force compromise for the greater good of the people.

 

[MFCGod]

The idea that you are either over there or over here, it's us vs. them is so completely destructive to the growth of society, our tribalism will be our down fall.

The most important thing to me is whether someones heart is in the right place, I can't dislike or fault someone for having good intentions, but then the road to Hell is paved with good intentions

 

[n_i_c_u]

The result, people can't just have conversations and agree to this agree or come to some sort of understanding.

I used to have to get a ride from my dad to go to school and he would let me drive. He always got into politics (Rush Limbaugh's voice was at the height of his career) or I would make a mistake and correct him on something racist he said and we would argue ignorant political viewpoints about everything from Clinton to color of skin half of the time in the car. It was bad enough that he would have to tell me to slow down because I was for some reason breaking speed laws (looking back I might have wanted to get to the destination faster).

We never came to any understanding about anything. But then again I never grew up in the 40's to 60's and experienced East Saint Louis as a kid or the Depression. His heroes were the WWII vets. He never grew up in a suburbs in the 70's and 80's with ranch style houses surrounded by people who learned life thru the tv sitcoms. We kind of had Vietnam as a thing we were trying to figure out still (but not so much because we weren't the heroes there in public opinion). Just a huge cultural difference.

 

[yummybrownfox]

Damn. Looks like I missed a lot on here.

MikeTO, are you a Tommy Sotomayor fan? I ask because he is a black guy who has a pretty large following on Youtube who preaches exactly what you just said. I'm not a huge fan of his, it takes awhile to get to the subtext of all his inflammatory videos but there is some substance underneath all his anti-ghetto black woman videos! It seems like he is just bullying sometimes but there is a method to his madness.

Yup, I used to watch Tommy Sotomayor's videos, and am pretty sure I had even mentioned him in a post on here a while ago. In between all of his "I hate Black women!" rants, he'd sometimes say something that had some truth to it. Lol. Hates Black women, but is raising a Black daughter. Alrighty then!

And his minions - in the comments section - were just as bad with people who dared to share a different opinion. He and his followers would throw little tantrums. He used to talk about how Black women have no business expecting a man to pay child support. Um...what?

I'm just chuckling, because if that had been an opinionated Black woman doing all of that (ranting about Black men), she'd be dismissed as just another loud, mad Black woman who needs to STFU, go brush her weave, and go take care of all her six kids with six daddies. *rolls eyes*

 

[Mikey_P]

Yup, I used to watch Tommy Sotomayor's videos, and am pretty sure I had even mentioned him in a post on here a while ago. In between all of his "I hate Black women!" rants, he'd sometimes say something that had some truth to it. Lol. Hates Black women, but is raising a Black daughter. Alrighty then!

He doesn't actually hate black women. The subtext of his message is about eliminating the behaviors that he showcases in his videos and from the news stories that he discusses. He's a comedian, satirist, reformer trying to keep his daughters and others from going down the same path. He focuses on the black woman as a more zoomed in issue that many see as a problem with women in general (I almost wrote female but corrected myself! Thank me!!!)

But yeah he is so easy to write off until you get what he is doing. I think his biggest mistake professionally is that he focuses on black ppl too much and that now he's giving to many explanations. Out of most of the Youtube blowhards he seems like he could have the most success and branch out.

 

[yummybrownfox]

He doesn't actually hate black women. The subtext of his message is about eliminating the behaviors that he showcases in his videos and from the news stories that he discusses. He's a comedian, satirist, reformer trying to keep his daughters and others from going down the same path. He focuses on the black woman as a more zoomed in issue that many see as a problem with women in general (I almost wrote female but corrected myself! Thank me!!!)

No, I've actually heard him say he hates Black women. Lol. Wanting to keep your daughters from going down a bad path is fine, but actually admitting to hating Black women (while you're in the process of raising one)...that's something entirely different, and that's not good.

 

[Mikey_P]

No, I've actually heard him say he hates Black women. Lol. Wanting to keep your daughters from going down a bad path is fine, but actually admitting to hating Black women (while you're in the process of raising one)...that's something entirely different, and that's not good.

He really doesn't hate black women! He hates BT-1000s or whatever he calls them. It is like Black vs ######, he is very specific in who he sprays his hate towards. It definitely isn't universal.

I wrote him off like two years ago and then I saw something that made me watch his show. He isn't as logical as he claims but he isn't as awful as he might appear.

 

[yummybrownfox]

He really doesn't hate black women! He hates BT-1000s or whatever he calls them. It is like Black vs ######, he is very specific in who he sprays his hate towards. It definitely isn't universal.

I wrote him off like two years ago and then I saw something that made me watch his show. He isn't as logical as he claims but he isn't as awful as he might appear.

Not sure why you're shouting at me? But if he truly doesn't hate Black women, then the dickhead probably shouldn't have said he does...ya know? We don't like "men" who try to make single mothers feel bad for pursuing child support.

 

[Mikey_P]

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Not sure why you're shouting at me? But if he truly doesn't hate Black women, then the dickhead probably shouldn't have said he does...ya know? We don't like "men" who try to make single mothers feel bad for pursuing child support.

How am I shouting at you? I keep telling that you have to dig deeper and pay attention to what he is doing subtextually. I saw an interview with him the other day where he claims that he wouldn't be doing what he's doing if he didn't like black women and didn't want better black women in society.

His 'I hate black women' is similar to someone saying they hate women after getting rejected!