Suggestions for models from members

[mynameisbob84]

If a model is new to camming and wants to get together some photos for her profile and she knows a member who is also a photographer who specialises in photoshoots with glamour models, she'd probably be better off talking to them than she would with other models

Although I agree with your points, and that there are times when a model might be better off asking a member, this is not one of those moments.

A member who claims he specialises in photoshoots with glamour models quite possibly doesn't. Members lie to models all the time. Not all members are liars, but as a rule, models should never trust members fully. I personally do not trust any members who say they specialise in taking photos of glamour models. Maybe they do, but it just screams sleaze. Advice said member could give the model in question could be harmful and in fact dangerous.
Men also are less likely to think of all the dangers women can face in these situations. No I would much rather ask a group of models who've all done professional photoshoots and could help me choose who's legit and who's not, share help on safety, protection etc.
Choosing a photographer is often less about the photos, it's about safety. Most professional photographers can handle taking some good shots, but there are many out there who are sleazy and possibly dangerous.

Well I just used that as an example as it was the first thing that popped into my head. I'm also going on the assumption that the member is who they say they are and not some crazed weirdo and that they actually do have the experience and the industry contacts and the knowledge to be able to help

 

[IsabellaSnow]

To say member's opinions are not valid just because they are not models sounds similarly demeaning, just in the opposite direction.

It's not that "members" opinions aren't valid, it is that individual members opinions aren't valid in this situation. Individual members cannot speak for the vast majority of other members. If this guy wants to see hd webcams, there are plenty of them out there, so it's not like he's saying "I have all this money to spend and no girls to spend it on!"

If a tipper of mine wanted to say a positive comment about my camming like "I really enjoyed that show tonight" "I really like it when you wear such and such" "I thought you handled x really well" then cool.

If they feel the need to say some constructive criticism then if it's saying my sound is going weird, or my cam is being particularly laggy even after they've refreshed then that is totally cool! Little tidbits of advice is ok especially if you're dealing with a new model as long as it doesn't go overboard and when you're actually tipping.

I personally don't see the need for people to want to constantly try and help, control and organise people they don't know. Why can you just not let these things be? Cool trying to help people, join a charity, work in a soup kitchen. Cam girls are not charity cases. We may accept money from people but that is because we perform a service. Sometimes members do tip more because they are kind and generous, but.... those members also tip their favourite models, they are getting something out of the relationship.

 

[Throbbin_One]

I just had a few things to add to this thread.

Firstly, Amber, I apologize if my post implied that you are lazy. What I was trying to do was show that with the amount of work that goes into making a new subforum, it would have to serve an important purpose for it to be worth you using it.

And, thank you for this forum, again.

Second point about this being "model's turf". If this were model's turf, then all we'd have to do is say "Amber, he offended me. Kick him out!" and off he'd go. But, I saw a couple instances where a longstanding model and a longstanding member on this forum were having problems (no names will be mentioned). And those instances showed that if a member here is one of Amber's friends, he'd have to do something really horrible to get kicked out.

Third point about the search feature. I've gotten really good at it. But there's a reason for that. See, I've been around almost since the start. And I tend to read any thread that seems like it might give me a better understanding of camming, or of the forum. So I *know* what I'm looking for. This means I actually know for a fact that if I search this subforum for "members" in the title and sort it by threads, I'll come up with "things members say that make you go WTF?" and "things members say that make you go LOL". I know that if I want to find that buried thread full of images that make fun of holiness, I need to search for "irreverent" in Random Discussion, titles only, sort by thread. What do you know, only one hit, and it was exactly the thread I was looking for!

My point here, is that I actually know what keyword to use, which forum to search, and whether that keyword should be in the thread titles, the thread posts, or both. Because I've been here awhile. A new guy is not going to be able to search for that. He has to put in a keyword and hope he finds something. He's not going to know that the "HELP!" thread by that one model focused on Cameras, while the "HELP!" thread by that other model focused on profile issues. And most of the keywords a new person will look for are going to turn up hundreds of thousands of posts. If he then tries to display results by thread, he'll overlook the ones he needs because they have titles that make them seem irrelevant.

My fourth point is that being annoyed by someone pointing out something you already knew is perfectly understandable. I'm still offended by people who assume they're being called stupid when someone points out something they already knew. STUPID != IGNORANCE. Ignorance is not knowing something. Just because you don't know something already doesn't mean you're not stupid. If you've never heard of snow, you're not going to understand the white stuff when you visit a place that has snow. That doesn't mean you're stupid, it just means you haven't come across it before!

If a person doesn't know much about camming, then he's not going to know how widespread certain things are and aren't. So, he sees something that a lot of people have trouble with, and some don't. He doesn't know who knows it and who doesn't. So, he's going to start telling it to everyone, in the hopes of helping some. It's like when you learn that corn is filler in dog food. You're going to tell everyone that corn does nothing for dogs. A lot of the people that you tell are going to already know that. Know when I learned that? I was 16, working in a pet store. That means for 16 years, I didn't know that corn does nothing for dogs. And if I hadn't been working in a pet store, I would *still* not know that. And the person that I heard it from was telling it to a 50 year old woman! It's not that the 50-year-old was stupid. She had just never heard that dogs can't digest corn before.

So, be annoyed all you want that someone is telling you something you already knew. Lack of knowledge is not the same thing as stupidity. It's NOT the same as telling you that you are stupid!

I really get annoyed with this. Because, I'm not stupid. I don't think anyone here thinks that I'm stupid. But I'm usually the last person to know. There are people who ARE stupid who know things that I don't know. When it comes out that I don't know something, I'm constantly being teased for my "stupidity". I constantly have to defend my lack of knowledge about things. Of course, you guys don't see this. You guys never know when you post something and I'm like "oh, cool! I didn't know that!" I don't post that usually. I just thank the post and move on. Why? Because too many people think that lack of knowledge is stupidity, and I don't want anyone here to think I'm stupid.

Sorry for the rant.

You do a nice job of explaining two of my points. First, the OP said he struggled with the search function. Boy do I wish you'd made the second post, cuz you would have probably just posted a link for him to go peruse and no one would have been offended. That, imo, would have been a nice, short, professional answer.

Secondly, how is a gentleman supposed to know he's asked a question that 100's of other idiots have? Imo, there's a good and bad way to answer those questions. Telling said person he/she has no idea may not be the way, imo. Besides, how's a newb supposed to learn the ropes if someone doesn't guide them?

Reluctantly, I'll make my point with an extreme example of something I don't understand why SOME models do this. Basics! We all know Basic's are big offenders at saying stupid stuff to models. Most just mute them, but I see a lot just abuse the heck out of them. If I were a model, I'd try to be nice to basics, but just mute them and move on. Why, cuz you've got to be a basic before you're a premium.

 

[Throbbin_One]

Ok, all of that was way too confusing to quote so I just wrote my replies in red :-D

How is it naive to say members dont know "our" industry? I dont care how long you've been on the other end of the computer, unless you've been a cam girl (for more than a day) you will not know the ins and outs like we do. That in no way means we think all/most members are idiots who treat women badly, where the heck did you even get that from?

Well first, I believe smart people are smart. I don't believe that I'd have to sit behind a cam to be able to suggest something smart. I believe there are many quality members that have successful careers that could share experience. Most of all, I can give a 'members' perspective. NOT a 'models' perspective. Isn't the 'members' perspective more important?

Like I said before, of course members can suggest good ideas. Yes, members perspective is important, but to an extent. If we went by everything members suggested, we'd be doing free shows and double fisting ourselves whilst whistling the star spangled banner and doing a hand stand :lol:

Learning what your audience is into and what makes them tip is obviously important, but the types of suggestions malek posted werent exclusive to that sort of thing. What one member would buy is not always the same as what someone else would buy, and doing things the way some members want isnt going to be what everyone else wants, make sense?

We are good at our jobs and have experience doing them. We have learned what works on our audiences.

And lets not forget that a LOT of models are members as well and have been for quite some time (for some even before they started camming) so we do have that input as well.

And personal experience is a bit more valuable than experience watching cams. Does that mean members cant have good or useful ideas? NO, of course they can. But that doesnt change the fact that you will never know the industry the way we do unless you've been in it. :twocents-02cents:

Same as above

Also, what does it matter if he couldve been the next 100,000 tip? Should we bite our tongues and never express our opinions just because the guy might tip big? If that was the case we would never say a damn thing because ANYONE could be the next big tip, lol.

:lol: What are you saying, members promise you tips if you do something?
That's actually kinda funny. You know what I meant.

I actually dont know what you mean nor do I see the point. Did you mean because of how he was treated he wont be coming to our rooms and we might have lost out because he possibly could've been a big tipper? If so, I stand by what i said, lol.

Not at all meant to be snarky, just casual debate :thumbleft:

No worries, I like to debate. :thumbleft:

Thank you

Like I said before, of course members can suggest good ideas. Yes, members perspective is important, but to an extent. If we went by everything members suggested, we'd be doing free shows and double fisting ourselves whilst whistling the star spangled banner and doing a hand stand :lol:

Let's keep things in perspective, we're on ACF, in a thread called "Suggestions for models from members". We're not in someone's room being an idiot and suggesting stupid stuff. I hope that everyone views these two things differently as I do.

 

[Throbbin_One]

I guess my point is that Malek probably won't be coming to your room anytime soon, and he COULD be the next 100,000 tip you get, who knows? Maybe I COULD be, who knows. I don't think he said anything that bad, and I could link 10 posts I've seen here of models making fun of members that was worse

Ok I'll just go on this little thing that as a model you learn about members on mfc. Most of the members I have come across who go around giving unsolicited advice, who try and "help" models with words are NOT big tippers. Actually getting this bothered about stuff like this requires quite a bit of time and boredom. Maybe some of these members are big tippers, but all the ones I've come across are either freeloaders or members who tip in the smaller category.

Now maybe it would be interesting to hear from a whale tipper what keeps them in a chat room and what makes them tip so much. It'd be a bit arrogant if he turned up here and said "hey! I'm a massive tipper on mfc! This is everything I like!" and most wouldn't believe him. I'm friends with a guy who has tipped a LOT on mfc including whale tips, he doesn't tend to tip like that anymore but poor guy gets the 3rd degree of very curious questions from me, I find it fascinating. Lol as they call big tippers whales it's as though I'm out whale watching and see one and get super excited! I'm not looking to poach it, I just want to learn as much about it as possible before it goes back into the sea! Or something like that...
Yes I do ask members questions. I do so all the time. I also ask models questions. I ask people opinions on my videos, I ask for suggestions. I take advice or suggestions that I feel might work well. I read loads on acf, from members and models alike. I have a members account on mfc and watch other models.

I also earn $90 an hour. If a member likes me, they like me. Personally I am not interested in a member who wishes to control me or gets obsessive. I'm not interested in members who have such little lives outside mfc that they're going to be difficult. I would rather earn less and enjoy my camming experience.

Funnily enough, this idea just seems to wash over members... a model might actually be happy with what she earns. She might actually be cool with what she makes and rather that than all the effort and other complications. A model might enjoy the way she cams, be comfortable, happy and be making the right amount for her. Sure extra money is always nice, but not everyone feels it's worth selling your soul over.

As for big tippers... I have a nightly aim of between 3000 tokens and 10,000 tokens. My highest tipping members don't spend more than 10,000 tokens a month. Now 10k tokens is a lot of money, but if the provider of those 10k tokens is causing me a load of grief and hassle, they can go. I will make that money back.
MFC see's it the same. If a top model leaves, someone else will take their place. They do not give a crap about members or models because they know that the money will come in regardless. I do care about members, but, I have made and lost loads of regulars, one regular leaves, more replace them. My income hasn't really changed much, if anything with some regulars leaving it often will go up! As a tipping member you are important, but unless you are actually tipping enough to make my camscore go up, you are not that important. If members choose to leave there's always the worry about lost income, but the sad part is losing a friend.

Basically my point is whether or not someone might be a high tipper, if they like you they like you, as you are. If you change for a member you will be fake and chances are that member won't tip you 100k. In fact, out of the millions of members who pass through mfc daily how many of them are even tippers let alone whale tippers? I think it's fairly safe to assume that this guy isn't going to be 1 in a million.

Like has been said before, sound, cam quality, all these things are individual cases. MOST girls are in HD. Out of the thousands of models online at each time the majority of them do not have these issues. Looking at the screen shots on the 1st page, all of those webcams are updated high quality cams. If you have an issue with one or two girls then tell them!

I can't say I disagree with any of this. Some have taken what I said and blown it up. I guess the only thing I could say is .... where's Malek?

 

[Throbbin_One]

I, for one, appreciate your effort, Malek. I can see it was not your intention to piss off everyone here. But I agree with every other poster, and have become a little offended, too. But it's ok. You weren't trying to do that. I get it. Anything you've thought of, these girls have been obsessing over and perfecting forever. And I've been reading about all of these suggestions (on these forums no less) for a week, almost non stop.

Think about it from the model's end. She is bored that nobody's in her room, so she picks up her phone and wastes time on it. We sit there and dance for an hour and just watch people come into our room for a second and type, "hey bb nice bod show me ur ass" ... We can see they have no tokens... It gets frustrating. With nobody speaking for a half an hour in our room, we run out of things to say to the camera that nobody is listening to. We pick up our phone, because we are bored.

We get disheartened that nobody is there. And then we get sad when someone who was tipping has to leave because it's taking so much time from them and they feel like they're not getting they're token's worth...

Trust me. All your suggestions fall on deaf ears who have already heard all of this before. If you're here to encourage us, make us laugh, and sometimes think of what it's like to be us, then please stay a while (and listen...lol...I can never just say "stay a while" any more)!

Maybe it's me, but this response touches my heart, my throbbin heart (for those with your mind in the gutter), and makes me want to tip you. :thumbleft:

 

[AnaVictoriaXO]

Ok, all of that was way too confusing to quote so I just wrote my replies in red :-D

How is it naive to say members dont know "our" industry? I dont care how long you've been on the other end of the computer, unless you've been a cam girl (for more than a day) you will not know the ins and outs like we do. That in no way means we think all/most members are idiots who treat women badly, where the heck did you even get that from?

Well first, I believe smart people are smart. I don't believe that I'd have to sit behind a cam to be able to suggest something smart. I believe there are many quality members that have successful careers that could share experience. Most of all, I can give a 'members' perspective. NOT a 'models' perspective. Isn't the 'members' perspective more important?

Like I said before, of course members can suggest good ideas. Yes, members perspective is important, but to an extent. If we went by everything members suggested, we'd be doing free shows and double fisting ourselves whilst whistling the star spangled banner and doing a hand stand :lol:

Learning what your audience is into and what makes them tip is obviously important, but the types of suggestions malek posted werent exclusive to that sort of thing. What one member would buy is not always the same as what someone else would buy, and doing things the way some members want isnt going to be what everyone else wants, make sense?

We are good at our jobs and have experience doing them. We have learned what works on our audiences.

And lets not forget that a LOT of models are members as well and have been for quite some time (for some even before they started camming) so we do have that input as well.

And personal experience is a bit more valuable than experience watching cams. Does that mean members cant have good or useful ideas? NO, of course they can. But that doesnt change the fact that you will never know the industry the way we do unless you've been in it. :twocents-02cents:

Same as above

Also, what does it matter if he couldve been the next 100,000 tip? Should we bite our tongues and never express our opinions just because the guy might tip big? If that was the case we would never say a damn thing because ANYONE could be the next big tip, lol.

:lol: What are you saying, members promise you tips if you do something?
That's actually kinda funny. You know what I meant.

I actually dont know what you mean nor do I see the point. Did you mean because of how he was treated he wont be coming to our rooms and we might have lost out because he possibly could've been a big tipper? If so, I stand by what i said, lol.

Not at all meant to be snarky, just casual debate :thumbleft:

No worries, I like to debate. :thumbleft:

Thank you

Like I said before, of course members can suggest good ideas. Yes, members perspective is important, but to an extent. If we went by everything members suggested, we'd be doing free shows and double fisting ourselves whilst whistling the star spangled banner and doing a hand stand :lol:

Let's keep things in perspective, we're on ACF, in a thread called . We're not in someone's room being an idiot and suggesting stupid stuff. I hope that everyone views these two things differently as I do.

Lol, is that all you have to say? Why reply when youre going to ignore the points I made? Yes, what you quoted was sarcasm but what makes it funny is that it is true.

And I know what thread Im in, thanks. But this isnt a thread called "Suggestions for models from members FOR ACF", it is regarding mfc. So my point still stands.

Anywho, I give up on you :lol:

 

[Throbbin_One]

Well first, I believe smart people are smart. I don't believe that I'd have to sit behind a cam to be able to suggest something smart. I believe there are many quality members that have successful careers that could share experience. Most of all, I can give a 'members' perspective. NOT a 'models' perspective. Isn't the 'members' perspective more important?

I'm just gonna throw this out there, but I know more than a few models who were members before they were models. I know I personally had a premium account that I perved and tipped from for an entire year before I was in a position where I could become a model myself. Wouldn't that give us the "members perspective" as well?
:confusion-shrug:

I asked the same thing, waiting to hear the opinion. :-D

My boyfriend has an account as well and so do many cam girl S/O so we also get male members input that way too.

And anyone who has been camming for a good amount of time has had PLENTY of member perspective :twocents-02cents:

Dang, I knew I would miss something.
I have a feeling that this is gonna boil down to "well you gotta have a dick to REALLY know"

I thought the same thing! I mean, men and women do think differently but I dont see how having a dick would change what we like as members?

I mean, we've paid for cam shows, we've tipped etc so why would we be looking for different things when it comes down to it?



Were still paying for a service and expect the same things, am I wrong?

So much for being snarky .......

 

[IsabellaSnow]

Let's keep things in perspective, we're on ACF, in a thread called "Suggestions for models from members". We're not in someone's room being an idiot and suggesting stupid stuff. I hope that everyone views these two things differently as I do.

If it were in the models room at least the complaints and suggestions wouldn't be completely off subject. We're not talking about idiots in the room deliberately trying to be douches. We're talking about know it alls who think they're ever so helpful. I doubt one model on acf has a shitty cam seeing as most regular girls on acf spend so much time reading up about and trying to improve our camming. I also doubt anyone except for brand new models are not aware that they could possibly get a new camera.

As for where Malek is, I will assume he's elsewhere. A thread doesn't have to be all about the OP. Personally I am only vaguely talking about this specific attack of pointless info and more talking about the many many times I get messages like this. Most members who do think they're giving out brilliant advice will not listen nor accept from anyone else that they haven't really got the resources to give it. Having a penis does nor mean you are an expert in the art of seducing a penis.

You know, this kind of stuff would be ok if it happened like once in a long career of doing something, which would be how it'd be for most people in their jobs. If you got approached in your job by a complete stranger and told a guide about how to make more money you would probably be pretty taken aback, it might piss you off, but chances are you'd just brush it off.
This happens all.the.time.
Imagine constantly being told by people who have no idea how to do your job how to do it better in a patronising manner? And worst of all by people who are just wasting your time and stopping you from being able to earn by taking away your attention. Then even worse... if you take their advice, even if it were something you were going to do anyway they will try claiming all the credit.
It is not just one smart arse who thinks he knows more about camming than cam models. It's like every second member! Even if most members wouldn't go this far, many of them do think camming is a piece of piss and think that they could do it so much better (if they were a girl).

You know, I would hate my camscore to go down to about 2k/2500k not because of the earnings going down much (because actually it's not that different in earnings) but because then members would start feeling like I'm going to welcome advice, they feel suddenly like having a camscore under 2500 is an invitation to it.

 

[AnaVictoriaXO]

How you could perceive that as snarky is beyond me, but whatever floats your boat. It wasnt to you, nor was it anything more than a response to Noelle.


If you cant handle adult conversation without misconstruing things, you shouldnt get into one. :confusion-shrug:

I already said I gave up on you Throbbin, kindly help yourself to the ignore feature and add me to your list if Im so snarky :thumbleft:

 

[Throbbin_One]

Ok, all of that was way too confusing to quote so I just wrote my replies in red :-D

How is it naive to say members dont know "our" industry? I dont care how long you've been on the other end of the computer, unless you've been a cam girl (for more than a day) you will not know the ins and outs like we do. That in no way means we think all/most members are idiots who treat women badly, where the heck did you even get that from?

Well first, I believe smart people are smart. I don't believe that I'd have to sit behind a cam to be able to suggest something smart. I believe there are many quality members that have successful careers that could share experience. Most of all, I can give a 'members' perspective. NOT a 'models' perspective. Isn't the 'members' perspective more important?

Like I said before, of course members can suggest good ideas. Yes, members perspective is important, but to an extent. If we went by everything members suggested, we'd be doing free shows and double fisting ourselves whilst whistling the star spangled banner and doing a hand stand :lol:

Learning what your audience is into and what makes them tip is obviously important, but the types of suggestions malek posted werent exclusive to that sort of thing. What one member would buy is not always the same as what someone else would buy, and doing things the way some members want isnt going to be what everyone else wants, make sense?

We are good at our jobs and have experience doing them. We have learned what works on our audiences.

And lets not forget that a LOT of models are members as well and have been for quite some time (for some even before they started camming) so we do have that input as well.

And personal experience is a bit more valuable than experience watching cams. Does that mean members cant have good or useful ideas? NO, of course they can. But that doesnt change the fact that you will never know the industry the way we do unless you've been in it. :twocents-02cents:

Same as above

Also, what does it matter if he couldve been the next 100,000 tip? Should we bite our tongues and never express our opinions just because the guy might tip big? If that was the case we would never say a damn thing because ANYONE could be the next big tip, lol.

:lol: What are you saying, members promise you tips if you do something?
That's actually kinda funny. You know what I meant.

I actually dont know what you mean nor do I see the point. Did you mean because of how he was treated he wont be coming to our rooms and we might have lost out because he possibly could've been a big tipper? If so, I stand by what i said, lol.

Not at all meant to be snarky, just casual debate :thumbleft:

No worries, I like to debate. :thumbleft:

Thank you

Like I said before, of course members can suggest good ideas. Yes, members perspective is important, but to an extent. If we went by everything members suggested, we'd be doing free shows and double fisting ourselves whilst whistling the star spangled banner and doing a hand stand :lol:

Let's keep things in perspective, we're on ACF, in a thread called . We're not in someone's room being an idiot and suggesting stupid stuff. I hope that everyone views these two things differently as I do.

Lol, is that all you have to say? Why reply when youre going to ignore the points I made? Yes, what you quoted was sarcasm but what makes it funny is that it is true.

And I know what thread Im in, thanks. But this isnt a thread called "Suggestions for models from members FOR ACF", it is regarding mfc. So my point still stands.

Anywho, I give up on you :lol:

Well, I guess I'll try harder. I just don't see how Malek attempting to make, what he thought was a useful thread, and some idiot suggesting you should shove a baseball bat where the sun don't shine are comparable. To me, they are two different things. If a member were to make some suggestions, where would he/she do that? To me, it would seem that ACF would be a good place to do it. Again, my main point was that I was surprised that he was jumped on so quick.

As far as your sarcastic answer .... well, I pretty much agreed, LOL'd, and commented about it in my prior post. I felt like that had already been answered. I'm sorry if my answer was inadiquate for you. I guess the point was "why piss off any POTENTIAL tippers"? That's really it. I don't doubt you get a lot of empty promises, but it would be a shame if you let it define your opinion about someone who is NOT like that? That was really the only point about that.

 

[Throbbin_One]

How you could perceive that as snarky is beyond me, but whatever floats your boat. It wasnt to you, nor was it anything more than a response to Noelle.


If you cant handle adult conversation without misconstruing things, you shouldnt get into one. :confusion-shrug:

I already said I gave up on you Throbbin, kindly help yourself to the ignore feature and add me to your list if Im so snarky :thumbleft:

This is fun. I guess the 'adult' conversation became too much for me when the "I guess you have a dick" staement entered the picture. That's no better then bringing up the race card, imo. How do you expect a man to respond when this is said?

I wanted to respond to Noelle cuz she first said it, but I responded to you cuz you were nice.

 

[Throbbin_One]

See? This thread now has 4 pages and is still going. THIS is why I don't/won't be deleting posts and threads anymore unless there is something extremely harmful in it.

It may have upset the OP that he didn't get the response he wanted, but it created 4 pages of conversation and healthy debate. That, IMO, is what a good forum thrives on.

CARRY ON! :handgestures-salute:

Hi Amber. Love the forum, btw! I hope I didn't annoy too much. :shock:
I must say, in a thread intended to enlighten models, I'm surprised at how much I've gotten out of this. :-D

 

[AnaVictoriaXO]

Well, I guess I'll try harder. I just don't see how Malek attempting to make, what he thought was a useful thread, and some idiot suggesting you should shove a baseball bat where the sun don't shine are comparable. To me, they are two different things. If a member were to make some suggestions, where would he/she do that? To me, it would seem that ACF would be a good place to do it. Again, my main point was that I was surprised that he was jumped on so quick.

As far as your sarcastic answer .... well, I pretty much agreed, LOL'd, and commented about it in my prior post. I felt like that had already been answered. I'm sorry if my answer was inadiquate for you. I guess the point was "why piss off any POTENTIAL tippers"? That's really it. I don't doubt you get a lot of empty promises, but it would be a shame if you let it define your opinion about someone who is NOT like that? That was really the only point about that.

I dont think anyone was comparing maleks post to that but I see where youre coming from. And I do think Evvies post pretty much explained why everyone reacted the way they did (And for the record, I only made a joke about watching tv in response to malek so I cant speak for the other ladies).

Sure, camgirls get a lot of members saying "Ill tip this, or beat this high tip" etc. but I think where you and I differ in opinion on this particular subject is the fact that malek never promised anyone tokens and even if he had, the majority of the girls here still wouldve said what they said.

I absolutely dont let it define my opinion on others, of course. Every member is different and as many have stated, malek meant well and I see that.

Idk, i think were misunderstanding each other a lot, this is getting quite jumbled and im on over 48 hours of sleep so.... :lol:

 

[AnaVictoriaXO]

How you could perceive that as snarky is beyond me, but whatever floats your boat. It wasnt to you, nor was it anything more than a response to Noelle.


If you cant handle adult conversation without misconstruing things, you shouldnt get into one. :confusion-shrug:

I already said I gave up on you Throbbin, kindly help yourself to the ignore feature and add me to your list if Im so snarky :thumbleft:

This is fun. I guess the 'adult' conversation became too much for me when the "I guess you have a dick" staement entered the picture. That's no better then bringing up the race card, imo. How do you expect a man to respond when this is said?

I wanted to respond to Noelle cuz she first said it, but I responded to you cuz you were nice.

Noelle is very sweet! Im confident in speaking for her that she meant nothing bad by that. I just dont think youre understanding her :twocents-02cents:

 

[NoelleBright]

How you could perceive that as snarky is beyond me, but whatever floats your boat. It wasnt to you, nor was it anything more than a response to Noelle.


If you cant handle adult conversation without misconstruing things, you shouldnt get into one. :confusion-shrug:

I already said I gave up on you Throbbin, kindly help yourself to the ignore feature and add me to your list if Im so snarky :thumbleft:

This is fun. I guess the 'adult' conversation became too much for me when the "I guess you have a dick" staement entered the picture. That's no better then bringing up the race card, imo. How do you expect a man to respond when this is said?

I wanted to respond to Noelle cuz she first said it, but I responded to you cuz you were nice.

"I guess you have a dick" is absolutely not what I typed or how I meant that statement.
I didn't point and laugh and say "YOU HAVE A DICK, EWWWW", I happen to love me some dick, mmmkay?
I feel like you're trying to twist me into some sort of manhater here when this is certainly not the case.

You just seem dead set on dodging the original question.
Plenty of models have experience on what it's like on the members side of things, why you're failing to recognize this I have no idea.

Also, there is absolutely no connection between what I said and "bringing up the race card", twisting words is doing you no favors, sir.

 

[AnaVictoriaXO]

I just want to butt in again and correct my other post, I meant hours of NO sleep...I dont sleep for two days :lol:

 

[Throbbin_One]

How you could perceive that as snarky is beyond me, but whatever floats your boat. It wasnt to you, nor was it anything more than a response to Noelle.


If you cant handle adult conversation without misconstruing things, you shouldnt get into one. :confusion-shrug:

I already said I gave up on you Throbbin, kindly help yourself to the ignore feature and add me to your list if Im so snarky :thumbleft:

This is fun. I guess the 'adult' conversation became too much for me when the "I guess you have a dick" staement entered the picture. That's no better then bringing up the race card, imo. How do you expect a man to respond when this is said?

I wanted to respond to Noelle cuz she first said it, but I responded to you cuz you were nice.

"I guess you have a dick" is absolutely not what I typed or how I meant that statement.
I didn't point and laugh and say "YOU HAVE A DICK, EWWWW", I happen to love me some dick, mmmkay?
I feel like you're trying to twist me into some sort of manhater here when this is certainly not the case.

You just seem dead set on dodging the original question.
Plenty of models have experience on what it's like on the members side of things, why you're failing to recognize this I have no idea.

Also, there is absolutely no connection between what I said and "bringing up the race card", twisting words is doing you no favors, sir.

Well, let me first say that I don't know you, so I would never suggest 'how you are'. Anyone that knows me, knows I'm a straight shooter. Here's your exact words:

I have a feeling that this is gonna boil down to "well you gotta have a dick to REALLY know"

If that was a turn 'for the better', then I'll stand corrected. As a mature, intelligent man, I perceive that as saying I must think whatever I say, as a man, is correct, and whatever you say, as a woman, is incorrect.

As far as 'members perspective', I actually brought that up. I'm not dodging anything. At no point have I suggested that you don't deal with a whole bunch of idiots. I have not said that once. If I've said anything, it's that NOT everyone is an idiot.

Furthermore, my original point was that I think that it's naive to think that a member is NOT capable of making an intelligent or helpful decision that models haven't already done without having been a model themselves. I took exception to THAT POINT cuz I think it's not true. I think that statement is ridiculous, actually, but I'm trying to be nice.

I wonder if Bill Gates was on the other side, would you listen to his suggestion? Hence my point! I bet ole Bill hasn't been a cam model before. Although, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Bill was a member at MFC. :-D

As far as twisting words, I'm trying to be pretty clear. I only commented on what you posted as well.

 

[NoelleBright]

You are still missing my point.
This is the last that I'm going to say on the matter because this thread is annoying and not the type of thing I'm here for.

Models DO appreciate member input, but like everything there is a time and a place for it.
If someone cannot discern when giving their advice would be appropriate versus when it would not be, then maybe they're not as qualified to be giving it as they think.

 

[JordanBlack]

I seriously don't mind any suggestions, advice coming from members, BUT (I love bullet points):

- coming on a forum as a member, failing to use the search function to see if the subject was discussed before
- making your first post sounding so condescending
- not realizing that models that are part of an established community, such as ACF, have never discussed tips & tricks about the business ever (not only on the model side, but here on the public side of the forum)
- implying that your personal preference(s) should be generalized to all mfc members

^...it's just rude!

:twocents-02cents:

(btw it took me one year of reading every thread on this forum, before I started jumping giving advices, or even posting for that matter).

 

[Throbbin_One]

You are still missing my point.
This is the last that I'm going to say on the matter because this thread is annoying and not the type of thing I'm here for.

Models DO appreciate member input, but like everything there is a time and a place for it.
If someone cannot discern when giving their advice would be appropriate versus when it would not be, then maybe they're not as qualified to be giving it as they think.

I guess that's what I meant by this quote:

Let's keep things in perspective, we're on ACF, in a thread called "Suggestions for models from members". We're not in someone's room being an idiot and suggesting stupid stuff. I hope that everyone views these two things differently as I do.

Which can be found here:

http://www.ambercutie.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=12523&p=310730#p310620

 

[Evvie]

 

[NoelleBright]

You are still missing my point.
This is the last that I'm going to say on the matter because this thread is annoying and not the type of thing I'm here for.

Models DO appreciate member input, but like everything there is a time and a place for it.
If someone cannot discern when giving their advice would be appropriate versus when it would not be, then maybe they're not as qualified to be giving it as they think.

I guess that's what I meant by this quote:

Let's keep things in perspective, we're on ACF, in a thread called "Suggestions for models from members". We're not in someone's room being an idiot and suggesting stupid stuff. I hope that everyone views these two things differently as I do.

Which can be found here:

http://www.ambercutie.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=12523&p=310730#p310620

Did you miss the entire first page, where the original post was deemed inappropriate to begin with?

 

[Evvie]

 

[AmberCutie]

http://imgur.com/

 

[Throbbin_One]

You are still missing my point.
This is the last that I'm going to say on the matter because this thread is annoying and not the type of thing I'm here for.

Models DO appreciate member input, but like everything there is a time and a place for it.
If someone cannot discern when giving their advice would be appropriate versus when it would not be, then maybe they're not as qualified to be giving it as they think.

I guess that's what I meant by this quote:

Let's keep things in perspective, we're on ACF, in a thread called "Suggestions for models from members". We're not in someone's room being an idiot and suggesting stupid stuff. I hope that everyone views these two things differently as I do.

Which can be found here:

http://www.ambercutie.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=12523&p=310730#p310620

Did you miss the entire first page, where the original post was deemed inappropriate to begin with?

Nah, I don't usually miss much. In my 1st post about this thread I made mention a little:

Personally, this thread is a good example of how the grass can get long on both sides of the fence if you ask me. Maybe how two wrong's don't make a right. Whatever..... I don't believe Malek was trying to be mean. It sounded like a little personal experience with a dash of antisocial, but not mean, imo. He, at least, tried to give a 2nd post in his defense, but he stayed away after that. Most trolls would come back for more, imo.

I also can't exactly disagree with what he's saying either. ie.. Im a musician, by hobby only, but I always have good speakers, etc., and it sucks when you pop into a models room for the 1st time and your speakers blow up. There are definitely SOME things that SOME models could do to make their member's stay more enjoyable. I don't see a problem if a member tries to help via a suggestion, at least in a private and nice way, like a model's forum suggestion page or something, oh wait.......

I'm kind of surprised at some of the responses he got, even with his poor delivery. I could list a bunch more things I thought were 'turn offs' that models do. I think the idea of this thread is nice. I think models want to be respected and I think members want to be respected. It'd be nice if Amber could install an emotion on/off toggle switch for this thread. Oooops, I didn't mean to make a suggestion.

http://www.ambercutie.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=12523&start=60#p309822

In my next post I made my main point, as I stated above:

However, some of the models here are generalizing as much as the OP did. A member doesn't know 'our' industry. I think this is a little naive, imo. I think some models assume that all members are idiots, and treat Women badly. Heck, I'd be willing to bet I've been a member of MFC longer then anyone in this thread.

viewtopic.php?f=15&t=12523&start=90#p310310

Then, in the next post, I concluded this:

Having looked around a little, I've concluded that Malek probably would have been better to post here:

http://www.ambercutie.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=12523&start=90#p310337

 

[JordanBlack]

I guess its time for ponies :dance:

 

[Throbbin_One]

Well, thanks for the debate Ladies, hope I didn't ruffle your feathers too much. I have to admit I enjoyed it a little. I never take anything personal, for the most part, on the net, and hope no one else does either. I definitely learned something about the cam models perspective. I've always made fun of some of the stuff your saying to my MFC model friends, so it's interesting being on this side of things. Anyhow, I wish you all the best!

 

[AnaVictoriaXO]

Well, thanks for the debate Ladies, hope I didn't ruffle your feathers too much. I have to admit I enjoyed it a little. I never take anything personal, for the most part, on the net, and hope no one else does either. I definitely learned something about the cam models perspective. I've always made fun of some of the stuff your saying to my MFC model friends, so it's interesting being on this side of things. Anyhow, I wish you all the best!

 

[PunkInDrublic]

Might not be as awesome as ponies but still a cool pic.