Suggestions for models from members

[RogueWarrior]

Imagine this is a forum for professional , and someone who watches the olympics but has never played any of these sports in his or her life except maybe the odd local game goes up to them all and makes a post saying "What you're all doing wrong, the viewers perspective" and lists a load of ways these athletes should train, things they should do, stuff like that.

Bad analogy. Happens all day everyday. Better known as sports talk radio, ESPN, and thousands of sports columnists and bloggers. Some make tons of money giving unsolicited, uninformed opinions.

Other than that, spot on.

Well, it's not really unsolicited. Sports talk on radio and TV is PART of the business--it actually promotes the business. I saw Isabella's analogy more along the lines of an "armchair quarterback" leaving his easy chair, beer and chips and driving to an arena or the like, walking into the locker room, and expounding his "advice" directly to the pros.

Eh, my perspective is different. Probably in the very small minority here. Possibly a minority consisting of one. So be it.

 

[LadyLuna]

See, the problem is, if we were to sticky all the advice threads... half the first page of Random Discussion, the entire first page of General Camming Discussion, and the first three pages of Ask a Model would be purely stickied threads.

That's a lot to scroll through to get to the actual advice.

And Amber's tired of making subforums. So unless we go through and get all the links for her so she can move all the relevant threads, she's not going to do it. And I don't blame her. Because the public area of the forum is not here for "let's give camgirls advice". And it's not here for "let's recruit camgirls." It's here for members to interact with models in a place away from the webcam. It's here for members to give their opinions, which is different from giving advice. It's here for models to share candidly their experiences, as much as they're willing to let other members see. It here so that members can remember that the models are not sex dolls, but real people. And here so that the models can remember that the members are not wallets, but real people. That's why this place is so beautiful, and why we are all so grateful to Amber for making it.

I'm going to stop now, before I start crying. IT HURTS SO GOOD!

 

[CCRhyder]

hai gurls I gots some advices for yas!
hear me outs well yas! come on girls, hear me outs!!

edit: pls sticky this.
i gots some real good advices for yas!

 

[curvyredhead]

I think what annoys me most about this guy is that he walked right into this forum, realized he made a mistake in starting this thread, but still thinks he knows best how to run these forums telling us to sticky the advice for models threads. He must be ignoring this thread hoping Amber will delete it so we'll forget all about it.

You made a mistake. Man up and move on.

for real deal

 

[Rebecca Buck]

I searched but didn't really see a topic that addresses this kind of thing. I want to make a thread where members can make suggestions for models. If this has been done to death already then feel free to delete this, I'm new here so I'm not sure. Anyway, as a member of MFC I have some suggestions for models so here goes

• Get an HD cam. I'm not watching somebody who's blurry and neither is anybody else. Need more proof, name one girl in the top 100 who doesn't have an HD cam. You can't.
  I hear some girls say they can't afford one, but they're only about 100 dollars. These same girls probably have a 200 dollar phone that costs 80 bucks a month. If you can afford internet, and a computer, you can afford an HD cam. If you can't, stay off the site until you can.
  
  • I just want to point out, that while you may think we're rollin' in the dough because some of us have iPhones and laptops and an internet connection, that you don't have the first clue as to what we can and cannot afford. The only reason I was able to get my HD camera was because I was sitting on the last of my Christmas bonus from my previous job. I would never be able to afford an expensive piece of gadgetry such as an iPhone or laptop. In fact, the ones I own are hand-me-downs. And before I even got my cam, I was camming from my built in webcam and I STILL made enough to pay rent and eat. Not buy anything else fancy, but just to survive. But thanks for assuming that every girl out there with an internet connection can afford everything all the time
  
  When you're playing music on your laptop, you need to understand the speakers are close to the cam's mic, and the music is A LOT LOUDER for the guys watching you then it is for you. Also MFC has this weird thing where you have to reset the volume everytime you go into a new room. So the first thing I have to do every single time I go in a models room is immediately turn down the sound. It's annoying, so turn down the music. I've also noticed the top models don't seem to have this problem, I've never been blasted in the ears by some God awful dubstep crap when I go to GinnyPotter or Leas room. These girls are smart.
  
  
  • Smart models don't play music through their laptop speakers. I have external speakers. But I have to keep the music up somewhat loud or my mic will cut out and nobody can hear me. If the music is too loud, maybe ask the model to turn it down? Let her know that it is blasting you away, because, guess what, we can't accurately gauge the quality of our feeds while we're broadcasting. I much prefer someone to tell me if my music is too loud, and I will take the time to fix it as long as they bring it up politely.
  
  Don't look at your phone when you're on cam. I'm going to repeat this because it bears repeating. STAY OFF THE PHONE WHEN YOU'RE ON CAM. As soon as a girl starts texting I know she's not interested in being on cam and I leave and usually never come back.
  
  • Emergencies happen. And when I'm broadcasting and nobody is talking or tipping, I think I have every right to sneak a peek at my phone and check my texts and calls. If a model were doing nothing but texting while ignoring her room, I might understand. But I left my office job because I had a manager breathing down my neck whenever my phone was in sight, whether or not I was actually using it.
  
  Don't PM me if I don't know you. Definitely don't PM when I'm not in your room unless we're friends. It reeks of desperation and it just annoys me. It's fine if I get PM's from models who I do know, in fact it's nice. I wouldn't get upset if a friend called me at anytime of the day or night, but I'm not OK with telemarketers calling me ever.
  
  • I don't really think any of the models here are 'desperate' enough to be PMing members they don't know first. Unless it's to say hello or whatever. A lot of the time, we don't even like being approached through PM which is why we make it friends only.
  
  Don't beg for tips. Don't threaten either. It's fine if you say, well guys I'm going to get off here if we don't reach this countdown by such and such time. I understand you have a life. Hell it's probably better and more interesting than mine, so I understand if you have to be somewhere by 5, but don't say things like "Come on guys, if nobody tips I'm outta here!". That just annoys people, and makes us feel guilty. And it doesn't lead to more tips.
  
  • A model has sat in her room, dancing all sexy and being fun and lively on cam and her countdown isn't being met. It is not a threat to leave. It is simply stating "Things are slow, and I'm wasting my time, so unless you think my time is worth it, I'm going to leave." That's not a threat. A threat would be "GIVE ME ALL YOUR TOKENS OR I'LL SLIT MY THROAT" or some other insane stuff like that. What, would you rather the model just log off without a warning when it's slow? Sorry it's annoying and makes you feel guilty, but... TIP. TIP OR GTFO.
  
  You're in the customer service business, so don't come on cam if you're upset or annoyed, because it will show. I've seen so many girls, even ones I like, who were on cam when they really shouldn't have been. And they ended up taking their bad day out on the members. We've all had experience with a waiter who was upset and giving us the bum's rush when we were at their restaurant, and it sucks. But guess what, they don't get tipped very well at the end of the meal. I understand life sucks sometimes, but if you can't be on cam without the attitude, don't be on cam.
  
  
  • You don't know the first thing about our lives. But are you always happy and perky at your job? Go work retail for days in and days out with a fake happy smile and see how you like it! See how soul-sucking it can be. See if you can be a happy ray of sunshine on a day when your commission-based job gets you JACK SQUAT and your rent is due TOMORROW. Perk up! Don't let your face slip! After all you're paid to be happy and friendly, not to be a real, emotional human being with basic needs. Everyone knows camgirls are just perfect little cyber girlfriends with no needs other than tokens and empty praise.

If any other members have suggestions please respond. I also have noticed that the top models every month are rarely ever guilty of the crimes I listed. I realize they're top models because they're beautiful and interesting, but they also don't do anything that could annoy a member, and I think this adds greatly to their appeal.

My suggestion to you, is to sign up on Streamate or Chaturbate and see how much money you make by following your suggestions. Get an HD cam, don't play your music too loud, don't look at your fancy expensive phone, don't PM anybody without being PMd first, and remember to SMILE!

PS:

i have some wonderful advice for cam models... like uber1337 stuff too!

1 keep tha pimp hand strong, keep it powdered, and use it at will
2 the ban hammer is your friend.....thor has mjollnir and he aint afraid to swing it, why whould you be
3 ignore all advice from members, when they give it, refer to rules one and two
4 ignore me, because im silly, and just about useless
5 invest in real estate when possible, unlkie other investments they dont make more land
6 never get involved in a land war in Asia
7 Never go against a Sicilian when death is on the line! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha

Did you hear that? That's the sound of about twenty-fold nerdy little panties dropping to the floor in quick succession. You had me at pimp hand, and you secured your prize with a crazy Sicilian.

Anybody want a peanut?

 

[zippypinhead]

So, what, all I need to do to impress you people is quote The Princess Bride? Inconceivable! I got that shit down by heart.

 

[mynameisbob84]

I'm having second thoughts about posting my "Bob's Camming Guide: Things You Broads Should Be Doing In Order To Attain Camming Success" thread now :?

omg please do! help us quiz master.

...sorry about that, I have a really bad habit of over using the saying "quiz master", especially when it doesn't fit into context.

BAWB, WRITE A BOOK FOR US. Yours would be the only one I would read :lol: :dance:

w00t! :-D

Okay, I'll give you a free excerpt!

CHAPTER ONE, YO

So you wanna be a cam girl? You came to the right place, bbs!

This book will tell you everything you need to know about camming. There are plenty of resources readily available on the internet with advice from women who have amassed a comprehensive understanding of the profession they've excelled in. But, while these models are often happy to share with you their vast knowledge of the camming world, gleaned from first-hand experience and primary research; you would do well not to fall in to the trap of assuming these ladies are better equipped to guide you through the camming mire than someone who has never cammed a day in their life. Someone like me.

Yes, dear reader, it is true that I have never experienced what it is to be a cam girl. But that doesn't mean I'm not expertly primed to share with you the advice that will undoubtedly provide you with your best shot at attaining success in camland. My expertise in this field is unparalleled and is backed up by... lots of... stuff.

So, without further adieu, I present to you the first (and most important) lesson in camming.

ALWAYS MAINTAIN UNWAVERING, UNFALTERING, UNBLINKING EYE CONTACT WITH THE CAMERA AT ALL TIMES!

Seriously, that shit can not be overstated. Failure to do this will result in you being cast out of the profession on your first day.

Thus concludes this complimentary excerpt taken from "Bob's Camming Guide: Things You Broads Should Be Doing In Order To Attain Camming Success".

 

[southsamurai]

how about this one

imagine walking into a strip club. no money for tips, no money for even a beer. You wedge yourself beside a crowd of men, who are loving this girl on stage. They just tipped her a couple minutes earlier, and are planning on taking her away from the crowd once the song is over. You, feeling a strong sense of compassion, and pride in yourself... whisper into her ear
"hey bb, mind bending over and spredin' dem bum cheeks? All the guys would love to see that. You'll make some serious $$$"
without even throwing a bill, or showing any gratitude towards her epic moon walk on the pole or courage for being up there.
Stripper looks at you like you are crazy, dudes who have been encouraging her this whole time look at each other like "wtf is this guys deal" and bouncer decides your free ride is over, and chucks you out for being a douche bag and not paying for services you can't even afford or care to.

I don't know where I was going with that one, I got side tracked by a youtube video but you figure out the rest.

:hello2: :hello2: :hello2:

I FORGOT COAT CHECK. YOU OBVIOUSLY PAID FOR A FREE LIFE TIME PASS FOR COAT CHECK BUT THATS IT.

actually, i had to bounce more than one ass hat for exactly that! even regulars would sometimes get drunk and make an idiot of themselves using almost that exact quote

 

[southsamurai]

So, what, all I need to do to impress you people is quote The Princess Bride? Inconceivable! I got that shit down by heart.

'ello, my name is Inigo Montoya, you kill me father, prepare to die

 

[SaffronBurke]

So, what, all I need to do to impress you people is quote The Princess Bride? Inconceivable! I got that shit down by heart.

Pretty much. Men in Tights or Labryinth may work as well, FYI. >

 

[Evvie]

I think it is fair that members might point out that they notice. After all, we aren't all grunting apes with our cocks in our hands, unable to notice the details because we're too busy looking at tits.

That stated, it's the way in which we members declare our notice that makes a difference. Coming onto the models' turf and making a list of grievances without first getting to know the atmosphere of the place is a real turnoff. It's like walking into somebody's living room, and immediately insulting the decor, even if you do mean well.

See, the problem is, if we were to sticky all the advice threads... half the first page of Random Discussion, the entire first page of General Camming Discussion, and the first three pages of Ask a Model would be purely stickied threads.

That's a lot to scroll through to get to the actual advice.

And Amber's tired of making subforums. So unless we go through and get all the links for her so she can move all the relevant threads, she's not going to do it. And I don't blame her. Because the public area of the forum is not here for "let's give camgirls advice". And it's not here for "let's recruit camgirls." It's here for members to interact with models in a place away from the webcam. It's here for members to give their opinions, which is different from giving advice. It's here for models to share candidly their experiences, as much as they're willing to let other members see. It here so that members can remember that the models are not sex dolls, but real people. And here so that the models can remember that the members are not wallets, but real people. That's why this place is so beautiful, and why we are all so grateful to Amber for making it.

I'm going to stop now, before I start crying. IT HURTS SO GOOD!

This is exactly the problem!

Because while ACF has grown to be a great place for models to communicate and learn, ACF was not created to be an inter-model community and it's purpose is not an educational setting for models.

Amber created this forum to spend time with her friends! As much as we like to think it is all about us, it isn't. We are all welcome to come and spend time with each other, but this is not the 'model's turf' (in my very humble opinion).

♥ ACF has a lot of help for models. The vast majority of it is in the protected model's only forums.
♥ ACF does not exist to teach, recruit, or train models.
♥ ACF is a place where people bound by the commonality of webcam sites come to hang out.

As some of the ladies here know, I have spent many hours of my life creating massive threads on how to help models. I have used up days of my time trying to compile and share information, and I have been told by many people that I have provided invaluable help because I chose to create some FAQs and tutorials regarding common issues camgirls face. This makes me happy! But this should not confuse the fact that ACF is still not a camgirl school (and it sure as hell isn't a place for unsolicited camgirl critiques, imo). I think the availability of help that IS here (regardless of if the OP was able to find it) might trick people in to thinking that this is a camgirl forum where members are allowed. But that's silly nonsense. This is an equal-opportunity forum for everybody.

Regardless...

♥ I believe these threads are completely uncalled for. I know most people probably think my stance is a little overbearing, but considering the nature of this forum, I think it's both unnecessary and ridiculous. Imagine going in to ANY OTHER FORUM, like literally any other forum on the Internet, and having your first post be about how the people on that forum are doing stuff the wrong way and how they should do it to your preference. It represents a huge amount of social ineptitude and a disregard for the community and collective intelligence* of the people who already frequent the forum. It supports the incorrect assumption that the issues we face are easy to deal with; the OP continually suggested models "just" by expensive equipment or "just" not get online or "just" not do this or that. It supports the assumptions that there is very little more to our jobs than meets the eye, and that the only things models need to do to become "better" are superficial changes.

♥ In this original post, the OP said he couldn't find any other threads for members to tell models how to do our jobs. He may have not been able to find any, but they're out there, and they have all (for the most part) been met with the same reception. A thread was even started on model advice to members, with similar results. People do not like to be told how to behave by strangers. Perhaps if he had done a little more research he would have found threads talking about why we do not enjoy generic "bad model" lists.

♥ If you have a problem with how models behave, find them on their MFC accounts and personally send them a list of everything you don't like about them. There is absolutely no need to try and address a small community of models with generalized information, many of whom are already extremely successful. If you're too much of a pussy to contact a model whom you don't know and tell her to change her behaviors, then don't try to enlist a forum's anonymity to get away with being a dick.

* By 'collective intelligence', I don't mean the literal IQ of everyone on the forum. ACF has existed for years, and it stands to reason that if there are no active "advice to models from members" threads, that there is a good reason for it. Coming on to a very active and historied forum and assuming that it has never accumulated resources for its own population does insult our collective intelligence. That would rather be like me going on to a rabbit forum, hanging out for a day or two, and then making a big list on the basics of rabbit breeding for everyone to follow, and inviting more non-breeders to give the breeders advice (with my collective experience being that I have watched some youtube videos on it).

 

[zippypinhead]

This is exactly the problem!

Because while ACF has grown to be a great place for models to communicate and learn, ACF was not created to be an inter-model community and it's purpose is not an educational setting for models.

Amber created this forum to spend time with her friends! As much as we like to think it is all about us, it isn't. We are all welcome to come and spend time with each other, but this is not the 'model's turf' (in my very humble opinion).

I used "models' turf" more as a generalized term, since this thread has also been just as much about how users feel entitled to spout off whatever they think whenever it comes to the front of their minds, regardless of the setting, including your rooms, which are absolutely your turf. I don't think we have to spend a lot of time mincing words, Evvie, especially since we're really on the same wavelength on this, but since you do bring it up, I do think that it should be pointed out that ACF is definitely models' turf. Members may be welcome, but it's under the models' protectorate, and as this and many other threads clearly show, members come in under a certain expectation of decorum, lest they be blasted out of the water. Whatever this forum began as, it has grown into a community that serves models first, as a safe place where models can come and interact. I think that's an incredibly wonderful thing, and it's why I can't seem to stay away. I feel honored to be a welcome member here, but I'm very aware that there's a line I must toe in order to stay in the good graces of the prevailing ruling class. There are countless places on the internet where guys can go and behave like self-important, misogynistic and chauvinistic assholes. This is not one of those places.

 

[southsamurai]

hmmmm ACF as model's turf. well i don't really think so myself. it is definitely A models turf, that model being the ever lovely and sweet miss amber cutie, what she sez goes for all the obvious reasons.
the verified model section is also model's turf, and those of us who do not share our selves on cam arent allowed there, again for very good reasons. but out here in the open section? maybe i havent read enough threads yet, but other than sticking up for themselves i cant say that the models here dominate or otherwise "rule" (for lack of a better phrase). i have seen members take models to task for saying silly things as often as i have the other way around. ok, not quite as often, perhaps i should have specified that they dont do it to regular forum users an more often. the random ass hats that pop on from time to time are a different story.

now since this is a supportive and "pro" camming forum in general someone who comes in and acts like a douche tends to get blasted... by models and members both. that it tends to be males who do not cam themselves, but feel the need to spout off about the profession of cam modeling that catch the most hell is a matter of percentages more than model domination.

now, i tend to choose to not post negative things at all if i can avoid it, unless it is in the spirit of humor, but once or twice i have put the keyboard in my mouth (hard to do it with feet when you type instead of talk). i can say that i have been corrected quickly and directly, and once my ignorance was corrected the same ladies and gentlemen who tore me a new one were just as quick to accept an apology and converse in a friendly fashion on other topics

it is(as always) just an opinion of mine, but i feel that this specific forum is perhaps the most balanced and open place of communication i have seen. that includes sites and forums dedicated to therapy and self healing lol. im just super glad that miss amber lets us in to play

 

[zippypinhead]

I feel like people think I'm painting this as some sort of unfriendly and exclusive club. That's not the case. I'm talking about the culture that surrounds this forum. It is pro-model, and to me, that constitutes being "models' turf." That's all I'm getting at, here.

 

[RedHerby]

"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others"

 

[southsamurai]

I feel like people think I'm painting this as some sort of unfriendly and exclusive club. That's not the case. I'm talking about the culture that surrounds this forum. It is pro-model, and to me, that constitutes being "models' turf." That's all I'm getting at, here.

nah, didnt think you were being negative at all myself, but i didnt previously understand that that was your exact meaning lol. i suppose within that definition its true more or less

 

[IsabellaSnow]

Evvie sometimes I love you a little bit!

I used "models' turf" more as a generalized term, since this thread has also been just as much about how users feel entitled to spout off whatever they think whenever it comes to the front of their minds, regardless of the setting, including your rooms, which are absolutely your turf. I don't think we have to spend a lot of time mincing words, Evvie, especially since we're really on the same wavelength on this, but since you do bring it up, I do think that it should be pointed out that ACF is definitely models' turf. Members may be welcome, but it's under the models' protectorate, and as this and many other threads clearly show, members come in under a certain expectation of decorum, lest they be blasted out of the water. Whatever this forum began as, it has grown into a community that serves models first, as a safe place where models can come and interact. I think that's an incredibly wonderful thing, and it's why I can't seem to stay away. I feel honored to be a welcome member here, but I'm very aware that there's a line I must toe in order to stay in the good graces of the prevailing ruling class. There are countless places on the internet where guys can go and behave like self-important, misogynistic and chauvinistic assholes. This is not one of those places.

This actually I think stems down to the differences in men and women. Men physically are the dominant and stronger sex. Women have become stronger willed to compensate for this. Women are usually better with words and communication. On an internet forum men being physically stronger doesn't really mean shit, so yes I do think it is more likely that men are going to get a bit trampled. But the women on this forum also tell each other off when they step out of line. Essentially I am able to be stronger on this forum than I'd ever have the opportunity to be in in real life. In real life I have spent a lot of my life not being allowed to talk because I am female and the youngest in my family, or people instantly zoning out before I've even said anything. I do take advantage of the fact that here people do actually listen to me, and I appreciate the members and models who do so much.
I don't know how it is for other girls, but personally I've had to fight to be heard my whole life, so yes, I am probably a bit of a nazi on here where people are actually willing to listen. It's NOT because the non models on here are lesser citizens, it's because there are very few places in the world where girls are able to be the dominant sex, most women will take advantage of that.

There is also obviously the fact that a lot of girls on here will be more invested in acf than members simply because it is our job and our career, so there are a LOT of girls who make real use of this place. It also means when a model steps out of line they are more likely to back down or apologise. We've got more to lose if we get banned. Yes more members get banned and told off by models and other members alike, but as far as I can see that is because I see more members over stepping the line and refusing to back down. When I have seen models doing the same they have been told off in just the same way, either they back down or they have to go.
It's all very nice to think of it as "models turf" and in ways it is good that members think that way because it kind of humours us and gives us a safe environment where we can feel like we're in charge. But we're not. Amber is in charge, and I'd say any member, model, vip, or regular member alike who is coming to this forum with respect is on equal grounds and has the opportunity to become a part of this community. I do not see members as lesser citizens of this forum. I see them as cool guys who I can interact with, argue with, debate with and sometimes chase off a good troll with. If they fancy humouring me and acting like I've got more power than them then awesome! I do definitely like it as long as it's not as far as my ass being kissed.

 

[Evvie]

I feel like people think I'm painting this as some sort of unfriendly and exclusive club. That's not the case. I'm talking about the culture that surrounds this forum. It is pro-model, and to me, that constitutes being "models' turf." That's all I'm getting at, here.

nah, didnt think you were being negative at all myself, but i didnt previously understand that that was your exact meaning lol. i suppose within that definition its true more or less

I still don't feel that's true.

This forum is also extremely pro-member, in a world where webcam site members are often villainized, looked down upon, and treated with pity or disdain, I think this forum presents a very healthy environment for members to socialize. Even on the forums where they share stolen videos of models, the members are lying and apologizing about their involvement in webcam sites to make it seem like they don't care or aren't interested. By your definition, this forum being pro-member also makes it member's turf. The only people who don't have a section of lawn are just the asshats, really.

 

[AmberCutie]

This forum is pro-everyone! Well, pro-everyone who respects camming in general. :thumbleft:

I did create this as a place for models AND members to socialize and find common ground without being ON a camsite with all the pressure to perform and spend money. When I first started it, yes it was just me and my friends, but I did intend to grow it outside of my group just like it has. I did also intend for it to be a place helpful for models because when I first started on MFC, there was no place to go and chat with other models about our jobs that I knew of.

But I created the Models Only section for the purpose of being helpful for models. When a girl gets verified, she gets a PM with links to tons of helpful threads so she can hopefully find some useful info. Stickied threads are pointless when the entire first page of a sub-forum is entirely comprised of stickies. It looks just as disorganized as if there were none. So I try to keep stickied topics to a minimum, and depend on the veteran model-members to flag a thread or PM me with a link of one that needs to be added to the list that gets sent to the models upon arrival.

But the majority of "help" comes from other models, who have learned through experience of their own, not necessarily from the advice of members. "Advice" from members is just, in fact, "OPINIONS".

I don't think having more sub-forums is the answer, though. It's not that I'm tired of making them, or too lazy to make more. Jawbs and I review how the forum is going a couple times a year and decided if the layout needs to change, but outside of that, I don't feel a need to reorganize to that extent.

Make sense?

But anywho... this is a little bit "model's turf" in the way that if you come here with a very negative attitude or a really harpy tone to your first posts about how to do the job, you very well may be met with a "oh no he di-int!" reply. Not just from models, but from other members who just "get it."

 

[zippypinhead]

I feel like people think I'm painting this as some sort of unfriendly and exclusive club. That's not the case. I'm talking about the culture that surrounds this forum. It is pro-model, and to me, that constitutes being "models' turf." That's all I'm getting at, here.

nah, didnt think you were being negative at all myself, but i didnt previously understand that that was your exact meaning lol. i suppose within that definition its true more or less

I still don't feel that's true.

This forum is also extremely pro-member, in a world where webcam site members are often villainized, looked down upon, and treated with pity or disdain, I think this forum presents a very healthy environment for members to socialize. Even on the forums where they share stolen videos of models, the members are lying and apologizing about their involvement in webcam sites to make it seem like they don't care or aren't interested. By your definition, this forum being pro-member also makes it member's turf. The only people who don't have a section of lawn are just the asshats, really.

I buy that. Like I'd said earlier, I don't think we're really disagreeing, here. I think we're just stating it differently.

 

[DudeExtreme]

Get an HD cam. I'm not watching somebody who's blurry and neither is anybody else. Need more proof, name one girl in the top 100 who doesn't have an HD cam. You can't.
I hear some girls say they can't afford one, but they're only about 100 dollars. These same girls probably have a 200 dollar phone that costs 80 bucks a month. If you can afford internet, and a computer, you can afford an HD cam. If you can't, stay off the site until you can.

I started camming on a shitty built in cam. You know what happened? A member purchased a good one for me. For some girls, camming is the only job they can have for multiple reasons. Health issues or the fact that no one is hiring. So how can you afford a good cam, when you have no other source of making money???

Megan, if for some reason your current cam goes out, just let me know.
Malek, it does appear that you are assuming some things that may/may not be true. Until you actually knows a particular model's situation, it is best to be quiet and if you like the model, offer to buy her a webcam. I've definitely have done that, and the model I did it for, was appreciative. Action is a lot of better than giving advice.

 

[RogueWarrior]

This thread has caused me to do quite a bit of thinking, which is not necessarily a good thing.

Be forewarned, this is going to be circular in nature, some may even suggest downward-spiraling.

Usually when I see a thread with a similar title to this one, I take the advice given here numerous times and "click next" because I have a pretty good idea where it's going to wind up. However, I have been stuck at home with quite a bit of time on my hands this weekend and being bored, ventured in anyway.

Granted, the intital post was ignorant. And stupidly made as a first (or second) post on this forum. And I am in no way defending it. But let's take a step back and think through a scenario that I believe is plausible.

The initial post was not malicious. It did come across as condescending but tone is not easily conveyed in the written word by those inexperienced.

In my scenario, this is a guy who has been visiting camsites for probably less than six months. He sees some models he likes/enjoys that are not doing that well (in his opinion anyway). While perusing some of the top models he creates some generalizations about why they are successful and in his naivete, thinks that the models he likes would be more successful if they would apply these generalizations to their camming.

Not really knowing what to do with this epiphany, he somehow comes across this forum. Hey, it's filled with models. Surely this would be the place to unleash upon the cam his revelations. Being new to the forum, he doesn't really know how to use the search function very well (and to be quite honest, neither do I). So thinking this would he helpful, he shares the newfound knowledge.

I'm not defending the guy here, just setting things up to make my point.

I'm pretty easy-going, but I also have a breaking point. I can't imagine having complete strangers giving unsolicited pointers on how I could do my job better. So, yeah, I get it.

I've also said and done some stupid things either because of ignorance or without thinking things through. I've also crossed some lines from time to time. I've made both public and private apologies just for stupidity on this forum. We have moved on.

The dude made the initial ill-advised post. Was told it was a mistake. Realized it was a mistake. Apologized and asked to have the post removed (which Amber refused and for good reason).

That was his last post. He won't be back.

I am a much better member because of this forum. I have a much better understanding of what it takes for a model to be successful because of this forum. I have much more respect for all the work that is put in by models that the average member has no clue about because of this forum.

The dude wasn't a troll. I don't think he had a negative view of models. I think he was truly trying to be helpful. He was just misguided. And he seemed able to learn from his mistakes. Because of the ensuing excoriation, he now probably has a more negative view of models than before he came here.

OK. Now I'm having sarcasm withdrawals.

 

[RedHerby]

The dude wasn't a troll. I don't think he had a negative view of models. I think he was truly trying to be helpful. He was just misguided. And he seemed able to learn from his mistakes. Because of the ensuing excoriation, he now probably has a more negative view of models than before he came here.

yeah, this thread was like one of those home movies where a man does do something stupid and crushes his nuts, it's clear that he is an idiot and it is his own fault but as a fellow man you feel the pain.

 

[RoseCavilla]

I have requested that this thread be removed. Even though I have searched again, spent half an hour looking through the results and still haven't found anything remotely close to what I was trying to do however. And if there is such a topic, it should be stickied. I think the advice a model could get from a member is just as important and useful as that she could get from another model. I also wish those people who didn't like my original post had more of an explanation than snark. Edgar Allan Whoa, great name by the way, had a good response, the rest I don't understand.

For the record, nothing in here sounds like an apology to me. He doesn't apologize for his post, in fact he tries to justify it noting that he's searched for half an hour and couldn't find it. Then he has the audacity to say any threads like this one should be stickied after we just bashed him for this post. I don't think he meant advice for models in general, he meant advice for models from members should be stickied (see where he wrote, "...haven't found anything remotely close to what I was trying to do").

I know he's probably a really nice guy, but he needs to learn how to to write in a manner that doesn't mistakenly offend people. God help us if he actually TRIES to offend people.

 

[Throbbin_One]

I have requested that this thread be removed. Even though I have searched again, spent half an hour looking through the results and still haven't found anything remotely close to what I was trying to do however. And if there is such a topic, it should be stickied. I think the advice a model could get from a member is just as important and useful as that she could get from another model. I also wish those people who didn't like my original post had more of an explanation than snark. Edgar Allan Whoa, great name by the way, had a good response, the rest I don't understand.

For the record, nothing in here sounds like an apology to me. He doesn't apologize for his post, in fact he tries to justify it noting that he's searched for half an hour and couldn't find it. Then he has the audacity to say any threads like this one should be stickied after we just bashed him for this post. I don't think he meant advice for models in general, he meant advice for models from members should be stickied (see where he wrote, "...haven't found anything remotely close to what I was trying to do").

I know he's probably a really nice guy, but he needs to learn how to to write in a manner that doesn't mistakenly offend people. God help us if he actually TRIES to offend people.

You said it yourself, the Ladies are a little better at communication.

 

[Throbbin_One]

Personally, this thread is a good example of how the grass can get long on both sides of the fence if you ask me. Maybe how two wrong's don't make a right. Whatever..... I don't believe Malek was trying to be mean. It sounded like a little personal experience with a dash of antisocial, but not mean, imo. He, at least, tried to give a 2nd post in his defense, but he stayed away after that. Most trolls would come back for more, imo.

I also can't exactly disagree with what he's saying either. ie.. Im a musician, by hobby only, but I always have good speakers, etc., and it sucks when you pop into a models room for the 1st time and your speakers blow up. There are definitely SOME things that SOME models could do to make their member's stay more enjoyable. I don't see a problem if a member tries to help via a suggestion, at least in a private and nice way, like a model's forum suggestion page or something, oh wait.......

I'm kind of surprised at some of the responses he got, even with his poor delivery. I could list a bunch more things I thought were 'turn offs' that models do. I think the idea of this thread is nice. I think models want to be respected and I think members want to be respected. It'd be nice if Amber could install an emotion on/off toggle switch for this thread. Oooops, I didn't mean to make a suggestion.

 

[southsamurai]

i think this thread has run it's course, thankfully, but i did have one further thought. Since im unable to sleep and bored out of my head and playing marvel avengers alliance for a pvp tournament and need a break, here it goes:

i've messed around on cam sites for about 5 years, 4 if you count the year i took off as not counting.(no, that makes sense, read it agian ) i made a lot of the same kind of bone headed statements and questions as any noob does. after a while, for various reasons (intellectual, creative and personal) i made a sustained effort to really study the phenomenon of camming. i tracked tip amounts, averages, types of shows etc... filled 2 3 ring binders with notes on the subject. i compared the society and psychology of members and models with existing models as best i could (not having access to a full library on the subject, just my own 7 or 8 books and the internet). i even went so far as to write up a brief essay on the subject and posted it on a sociology.psychology forum i used to frequent.

here is my conclusion based on all those years of research and enjoyment: i don't know jack spit about BEING a model. and with my intellect, education and capabilities if i can't say that i do, then sure as hell no one who doesnt do it can, so nyah

 

[IsabellaSnow]

Rogue I think you hit the nail on the head on what the member was doing. He has watched some camgirls, see's they're not doing as well as some girls, maybe hears them complain or say they'd like their score to be higher, and has decided that we all need his help. Something he probably took very little time into thinking. The reason this is insulting is because he's assuming that all camgirls are total morons and cannot put together 2 and 2 on the most basic info. Yes some camgirls are stupid, some people are stupid. If that specific camgirl has bad music or a bad cam you speak to her about it and ask what you can do to help.

Taking about 10 minutes to think of a few ideas and then telling a bunch of girls who have made this their lifes work how to do everything does come across insulting. I am sure members all have a few suggestions for camgirls. Mistakes they've seen made repeatedly, they probably feel a bit sorry for camgirls with a 1000 or below camscore (even though their hourly wage is probably still loads more than theirs is). I mean jesus, when I first became a cam model and watched the top girls, I really couldn't understand what they were doing differently to me. It looked like it'd be piss easy to get to the top. If I'd never cammed before I would still think those things. Camming looks easy. If we all looked like we were working our arses off having a really hard time it wouldn't exactly be fun to watch. The reason it looks easy is because we try to make it look easy.

Not everyone can be a top camgirl. Not everyone wants to be a top camgirl. To people who are relatively new to mfc or have never cammed this probably seems ridiculous, I mean who wouldn't want to make 10k- 40k a month?!

In camming you can become successful for many many different things. One thing that always stays the same is camming is a mixture of your natural physical appearance (lets face it, whatever you do on cam, if you're naturally a popular type, you're going to have room numbers), natural personality, natural talent, often hard work, and most of all, luck.

Luck is probably one of the main things with camming. You can work your arse off in and out of your cam room to make your shows amazing, but if the right person isn't there to see them then you won't get the tips. It's luck when you get a random dude who shows up once and tips you a few thousand tokens, and it's luck when a random dude stays and becomes your regular whilst tipping loads. I tend to get about 200 people in my room while I'm naked, if my camscore were higher it'd probably be closer to 400. For my camscore to be higher I need to have members in those 200 who are willing to tip me. If I have tons of adoring fans who are poor then that's not exactly going to get me much further is it?

My mother is an author and has complained about men going up to her at events or parties and saying rather arrogantly "Well that J.K. Rowling made loads. Why don't you just write something like Harry Potter?" acting like that'd be so easy, not really realising how many books there are like Harry Potter that do not sell (my mother also writes romantic fiction so not really the same scene). Then the same man will be like "yeah... I've been writing a book myself actually. Self published." Which pretty much means he's written a load of crap that no publishing company will take. Now my mother is a best selling author, she's won plenty of awards and has written many books, all best sellers, she makes a decent living, but she's not a household name. Most people will read a few books, mainly by mainstream authors and will think they know it all. People will often assume that less known authors won't be doing that well.
With camgirls it's the same. You can be making $40 an hour on cam and guaranteed you will get a load of idiots trying to give you suggestions, trying to help you.

Personally I make more in my hourly average than most people will make in 10 hours of work, so yeah, I'm a little skeptical of people trying to give me advice. They would not make nearly the same amounts I do if they tried it themselves. No I am not a top model, but that doesn't mean I'm a delicate flower that needs to be told how to do everything. Throbbin_One, I'm sure you do have plenty of suggestions for models. Ones which I hope you will keep quiet unless it's to a specific model you are tipping.

I will also point out that member advice is often harmful. Either you will make the girl paranoid or insecure (and therefore not cam), or you will make her try and be something she's not, again making her not comfortable on cam.
I once had a suggestion for buying some lighting from a member, he did NOT offer to pay for it. He had chosen expensive studio lights which I actually couldn't afford but my current light had broken, I was new and I needed to cam so I took his advice. I put myself through financial issues paying £70 for lighting when I couldn't really afford that. The lighting was bulky and it was alright, but not great, not really the right type of light for camming. All I needed was a few plain old regular lamps.

Advice to all members- if a models music is too loud, TELL HER!!! HOW HARD IS IT TO SAY: "excuse me, your music is so loud I can't hear you/it's messing with the sound"?! How hard is it to say "have you ever thought of getting a better webcam?"?! if she says she can't afford it and you like her to say: "well I could send you some amazon vouchers to help you out with the purchase"? And if these things truly are impossible "next model". If you do not like me or the way I cam then I do not take personal offence if you click next model. I do not stay up at night crying over it. If you like me and what's going on in my room then cool if you stay and amazing if you tip! Otherwise.... no, I really don't give a crap. I earn a wage I am very happy with, more would be incredible and makes me very happy, but I'm not going to bend over backwards for someone I've never met before. I will take hints and tips, and learn from other models experiences, I will wear slightly different clothes if I notice it has a good result or a tipping regular really likes that style, I'll try out games and different shows, if they work I'll continue them, if they don't then they don't.

 

[RedHerby]

... i even went so far as to write up a brief essay on the subject and posted it on a sociology.psychology forum i used to frequent ...

Is it still online? Do you have a link?

 

[mynameisbob84]

The OP's not the devil. I don't think his post was intended to offend anyone and I'm (relatively) sure that if he was to come back and participate in threads that don't focus on pointing out all the instances where a cam girl is doing her job "wrong", then this thread would be forgotten pretty quickly.

Here be the problem(s) with these threads (bulletpoints!)

- They're unsolicited. And unsolicited advice is rude, ya know?
- They assume that they're highlighting things that the majority of cam girls are unaware of, when that's generally not the case.
- They assume that cam girls lack the ability to seek out member advice independently and must have it thrust upon them if they are to succeed, which is generally not the case.
- They assume that what one member likes and wants to see and will tip for applies to all other members, which is not the case.
- They assume that cam girls don't already have access to a veritable shit-load of advice from models and other members available to them at the click of a button, which is also not the case.

It's not that member advice isn't valuable. It is. If members don't like what a cam girl is doing, they likely won't succeed. But there's a time and place to give that advice, ya know? Which is when you're directly asked. Otherwise, just keep it to yourself and console yourself with the notion that the majority of cam girls are already well aware of whatever nugget of invaluable information you feel you've stumbled upon. :twocents-02cents: