Not tipping for countdown

[Anonymous]

When I was doing topless countdowns, I let tips for videos count towards the countdown. However, a big tip for a custom video wouldn't count. A custom video is something I have to go create at a later time (a time when I'm normally camming), so it's not the same as a pre-made video. For a pre-made video, all I have to do is send you a MediaFire link, and that's instant. No "double-dipping" (as SpexyAshleigh calls it) allowed when we're talking about a custom job.

 

[LaceyRoyce]

For those assholes, it is really about control and not by a righteous code of conduct. They have a control fetish. For them going into these rooms and tipping, they end up supporting MFC which will in turn supports more nudity. Those assholes don't know that as long as I can still see your face, smile, and beautiful eyes, I will come back regardless of what they do.

Hey Megan's dude, can you please start cloning yourself. Send one of each to every camgirl.
and you know, 2 or 3 to me.

Seriously, you're awesome

 

[JoleneBrody]

@HiGirls,
It sounds like you're getting kind of bitter, very similar to when we get burned out when things have been slower than normal for a while and we start over analyzing all the little details of MFC that annoy us. Freeloaders are the nature of the site, and putting too much though in to them, unless they are being actively disruptive, will always end badly. You tipping for a handful of freeloaders can be attributed to ANY tip really.
A smile, a dance, a flash, an orgasm. All things at least a handful of people are enjoying for free because you tipped.
However, that smile, that dance, that flash or orgasm may be what gets two or three people to say "hey, wow! I like this girl and I'm going to tip her!" If I may suggest for your own sanity, try and focus on that positive. I know exactly the feeling you're having, trust me I've had the same many many times and it's not nearly as enjoyable as the opposite.

 

[GingerAnn]

@HiGirls,
It sounds like you're getting kind of bitter, very similar to when we get burned out when things have been slower than normal for a while and we start over analyzing all the little details of MFC that annoy us. Freeloaders are the nature of the site, and putting too much though in to them, unless they are being actively disruptive, will always end badly. You tipping for a handful of freeloaders can be attributed to ANY tip really.
A smile, a dance, a flash, an orgasm. All things at least a handful of people are enjoying for free because you tipped.
However, that smile, that dance, that flash or orgasm may be what gets two or three people to say "hey, wow! I like this girl and I'm going to tip her!" If I may suggest for your own sanity, try and focus on that positive. I know exactly the feeling you're having, trust me I've had the same many many times and it's not nearly as enjoyable as the opposite.

Off topic but JJ, I am in love with you.

 

[JoleneBrody]

@HiGirls,
It sounds like you're getting kind of bitter, very similar to when we get burned out when things have been slower than normal for a while and we start over analyzing all the little details of MFC that annoy us. Freeloaders are the nature of the site, and putting too much though in to them, unless they are being actively disruptive, will always end badly. You tipping for a handful of freeloaders can be attributed to ANY tip really.
A smile, a dance, a flash, an orgasm. All things at least a handful of people are enjoying for free because you tipped.
However, that smile, that dance, that flash or orgasm may be what gets two or three people to say "hey, wow! I like this girl and I'm going to tip her!" If I may suggest for your own sanity, try and focus on that positive. I know exactly the feeling you're having, trust me I've had the same many many times and it's not nearly as enjoyable as the opposite.

Off topic but JJ, I am in love with you.

:la:

 

[IsabellaSnow]

@HiGirls,
It sounds like you're getting kind of bitter, very similar to when we get burned out when things have been slower than normal for a while and we start over analyzing all the little details of MFC that annoy us. Freeloaders are the nature of the site, and putting too much though in to them, unless they are being actively disruptive, will always end badly. You tipping for a handful of freeloaders can be attributed to ANY tip really.
A smile, a dance, a flash, an orgasm. All things at least a handful of people are enjoying for free because you tipped.
However, that smile, that dance, that flash or orgasm may be what gets two or three people to say "hey, wow! I like this girl and I'm going to tip her!" If I may suggest for your own sanity, try and focus on that positive. I know exactly the feeling you're having, trust me I've had the same many many times and it's not nearly as enjoyable as the opposite.

I really agree with this.

I've had several regulars over the years, some who haven't even been that big tippers, but they start finding it impossible to ignore the room numbers/the other people in the room, and have sometimes got upset/wanted to have goes at people in the room. What sometimes they don't realise is someone they wanted to have a go at in the room dropped several thousand tokens on me the week before. Besides the guests/basics, don't assume you know if someone's freeloading.
This is life, just on mfc it's a lot more obvious. For your sanity like JJ said, try and focus on the positive, such as a girl you like being happy that you're there/enjoying your company. If you're dropping thousands every night then it's very understandable not wanting it to all go to the countdown, especially if the girl is going to meet her countdown aims/goals anyway, then it's a bit extra on top, plus it's not good when other members assume one member will tip it all. If you're just tipping your favourite model as you enjoy her company/getting naked, if you're enjoying the result of the countdown, then I do think you should tip.

In London and probably plenty of other places there are lots of vip clubs. The standard is it's £20 to get in/a grand a year for a membership, a grand for a table and silly amounts for drinks. Yet if you go in with a promoter (and usually are a girl) you will get your table for free and your entrance/drinks for free. Those things aren't really free, someone else paid for them. That person is someone who chose to spend money in that club and paid for the overpriced drinks.
So yup, they paid extra so that someone else could pay nothing. Not that different from mfcs. Any kind of discount card/student discount is the same. They'll put their prices up so someone else gets it for cheaper. It is life, not just mfcs. The difference with mfcs is it's harder to ignore because you have all those names there.

I will also point out that I treat my good paying regulars well, whether or not they appreciate it I give them a lot of one on one time, skype chats etc. Now sure, the skype chats may not be full blown shows, but it's the same amount of time given. People often seem to think that they shouldn't have to pay unless it's a show. I have a good regular who I get along with and have spent probably about 5+ hours with in skype this month in chat, he also has had a few shows and lots of pm chat time/videos and gets to watch me/hang out with me in my room. Now I think he's getting a pretty good deal as what I give him is worth a lot more than he tips, which works out in the last 2 months as almost 8k a month, but he doesn't feel the same because freeloaders get to watch me in public. There's nothing I can do about that. None of the freeloaders get anything else from me than to see a bit of pussy, they don't get nearly the same experience, the real question is if the experience you're getting is worth anything to you.

 

[Alana Cruise]

This is why I detest public cum shows. So long as they are getting it for free why would they pay. they know the regs are gonna pay it all. When I go group I get my regs but also some who weren't tipping before. I really wish girls would stop doing public cum shows. It would force guys to pay. All I get with public cum shows is about 1000 guests who suddenly fill up the room then leave. Why would anyone want to give so many people a free show???

Probably because the girls who do large public cum shows are able to set the token goal really high and then do one show. The amount they made was high enough that they don't care about the freeloaders. This would be easier for them than doing say, 3 groups and 7 privates ALL NIGHT rather than just doing one countdown.

And not all countdowns are for masturbation shows, you can always count down for nudity, panties, oil, silly dancing, whatever.

I dont do several groups or privates. I do countdowns for nudity etc like you said BUT ONLY CUM in group that way I still make enough to maybe only do 1 or 2 groups and maybe a private if I am up for it.

 

[Alana Cruise]

This is why I detest public cum shows. So long as they are getting it for free why would they pay. they know the regs are gonna pay it all. When I go group I get my regs but also some who weren't tipping before. I really wish girls would stop doing public cum shows. It would force guys to pay. All I get with public cum shows is about 1000 guests who suddenly fill up the room then leave. Why would anyone want to give so many people a free show???

As long as I make my goals, I don't care who's tipping for it. Yes, it would be nice if every guy in the room paid, but it's never going to happen even if public cumshows stopped.
Last night was an example of why I do public cumshows. I had a countdown of 4,000tkns for one. I knew if I reached it, I would make my lowest goal. It took me 6hours to reach, which is suuuuuuper bad for me. One of the slowest nights I've ever had. Finally I reached it and started the show. As my room number jumped past 1000, the tips increased. Within 15min I made 3,000tkns in tips. That's what it took me 6hours to make when I was just playing games!!!!
There were at least 900 guys in my room who didn't tip. Do I really care after making so many tokens in so little time??? Nope! I could never make that in group. I average 3 or 4 people at once.

You may never make that in group but everyone who is in group who is watching you cum IS a paying member so yes you can have everyone pay for it and that is what group is. I get your point and I guess it works for you but for me If I have 3 or 4 people tipping the whole cum show then why not just go group and not let all the freeloaders see. It works for me. I typically make a countdown for naked around 2000tk or more then go group and make at least 3000tk total. Anytime I have tried a public cum show I get a few tippers and once the show starts I am lucky to get a few tips and all I get is 1000 freeloaders who cum then leave without ever tipping. i just dont get it. I dont get why models are ok with everyone seeing them cum for free when only a handful paid. Just my view.

 

[LaceyRoyce]

This is why I detest public cum shows. So long as they are getting it for free why would they pay. they know the regs are gonna pay it all. When I go group I get my regs but also some who weren't tipping before. I really wish girls would stop doing public cum shows. It would force guys to pay. All I get with public cum shows is about 1000 guests who suddenly fill up the room then leave. Why would anyone want to give so many people a free show???

As long as I make my goals, I don't care who's tipping for it. Yes, it would be nice if every guy in the room paid, but it's never going to happen even if public cumshows stopped.
Last night was an example of why I do public cumshows. I had a countdown of 4,000tkns for one. I knew if I reached it, I would make my lowest goal. It took me 6hours to reach, which is suuuuuuper bad for me. One of the slowest nights I've ever had. Finally I reached it and started the show. As my room number jumped past 1000, the tips increased. Within 15min I made 3,000tkns in tips. That's what it took me 6hours to make when I was just playing games!!!!
There were at least 900 guys in my room who didn't tip. Do I really care after making so many tokens in so little time??? Nope! I could never make that in group. I average 3 or 4 people at once.

You may never make that in group but everyone who is in group who is watching you cum IS a paying member so yes you can have everyone pay for it and that is what group is. I get your point and I guess it works for you but for me If I have 3 or 4 people tipping the whole cum show then why not just go group and not let all the freeloaders see. It works for me. I typically make a countdown for naked around 2000tk or more then go group and make at least 3000tk total. Anytime I have tried a public cum show I get a few tippers and once the show starts I am lucky to get a few tips and all I get is 1000 freeloaders who cum then leave without ever tipping. i just dont get it. I dont get why models are ok with everyone seeing them cum for free when only a handful paid. Just my view.

I think everyone here is OK with you doing it your way and will fight for your right to. Its all personal opinion, and we all do what we're comfortable with in this job. I don't think anyone should feel like they should go outside of it to 'fit in'.

I just don't think its fair to say models that do public cum shows are somehow 'hurting' your income.. or making MFC a bad place.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

I just don't think its fair to say models that do public cum shows are somehow 'hurting' your income.. or making MFC a bad place.

If anything it's Mfc's fault for not sticking to their rules!

 

[DudeExtreme]

For those assholes, it is really about control and not by a righteous code of conduct. They have a control fetish. For them going into these rooms and tipping, they end up supporting MFC which will in turn supports more nudity. Those assholes don't know that as long as I can still see your face, smile, and beautiful eyes, I will come back regardless of what they do.

Hey Megan's dude, can you please start cloning yourself. Send one of each to every camgirl.
and you know, 2 or 3 to me.

Seriously, you're awesome

Awwww. I've never had a very beautiful woman asked me to clone myself before. Any woman actually. Thank you so much. I think I'm awesome only because women like you make me awesome. I take any comments anyone would give me.

I have to check with PBM Laboratories and see if I can be duplicated. Personality and all.

 

[PlayboyMegan]

For those assholes, it is really about control and not by a righteous code of conduct. They have a control fetish. For them going into these rooms and tipping, they end up supporting MFC which will in turn supports more nudity. Those assholes don't know that as long as I can still see your face, smile, and beautiful eyes, I will come back regardless of what they do.

Hey Megan's dude, can you please start cloning yourself. Send one of each to every camgirl.
and you know, 2 or 3 to me.

Seriously, you're awesome

Awwww. I've never had a very beautiful woman asked me to clone myself before. Any woman actually. Thank you so much. I think I'm awesome only because women like you make me awesome. I take any comments anyone would give me.

I have to check with PBM Laboratories and see if I can be duplicated. Personality and all.

I'd be willing to clone you, but I'm not sure I'd be willing to share!!! haha

 

[PlayboyMegan]

This is why I detest public cum shows. So long as they are getting it for free why would they pay. they know the regs are gonna pay it all. When I go group I get my regs but also some who weren't tipping before. I really wish girls would stop doing public cum shows. It would force guys to pay. All I get with public cum shows is about 1000 guests who suddenly fill up the room then leave. Why would anyone want to give so many people a free show???

As long as I make my goals, I don't care who's tipping for it. Yes, it would be nice if every guy in the room paid, but it's never going to happen even if public cumshows stopped.
Last night was an example of why I do public cumshows. I had a countdown of 4,000tkns for one. I knew if I reached it, I would make my lowest goal. It took me 6hours to reach, which is suuuuuuper bad for me. One of the slowest nights I've ever had. Finally I reached it and started the show. As my room number jumped past 1000, the tips increased. Within 15min I made 3,000tkns in tips. That's what it took me 6hours to make when I was just playing games!!!!
There were at least 900 guys in my room who didn't tip. Do I really care after making so many tokens in so little time??? Nope! I could never make that in group. I average 3 or 4 people at once.

I dont get why models are ok with everyone seeing them cum for free when only a handful paid. Just my view.

Pornstars get paid a certain amount for shooting a movie. Their movies are all over tube sites and millions of men watch it for free. Do they care? Nope, cause they already got paid what they wanted.

 

[Evvie]

This is why I detest public cum shows. So long as they are getting it for free why would they pay. they know the regs are gonna pay it all. When I go group I get my regs but also some who weren't tipping before. I really wish girls would stop doing public cum shows. It would force guys to pay. All I get with public cum shows is about 1000 guests who suddenly fill up the room then leave. Why would anyone want to give so many people a free show???

As long as I make my goals, I don't care who's tipping for it. Yes, it would be nice if every guy in the room paid, but it's never going to happen even if public cumshows stopped.
Last night was an example of why I do public cumshows. I had a countdown of 4,000tkns for one. I knew if I reached it, I would make my lowest goal. It took me 6hours to reach, which is suuuuuuper bad for me. One of the slowest nights I've ever had. Finally I reached it and started the show. As my room number jumped past 1000, the tips increased. Within 15min I made 3,000tkns in tips. That's what it took me 6hours to make when I was just playing games!!!!
There were at least 900 guys in my room who didn't tip. Do I really care after making so many tokens in so little time??? Nope! I could never make that in group. I average 3 or 4 people at once.

I dont get why models are ok with everyone seeing them cum for free when only a handful paid. Just my view.

Pornstars get paid a certain amount for shooting a movie. Their movies are all over tube sites and millions of men watch it for free. Do they care? Nope, cause they already got paid what they wanted.

I think some people have the mentality of, "If someone is going to see me, they are going to pay." It's just a different style of doing things.

I think a lot of models do things out of principal. If someone is going to see me, they are going to pay. I'd rather make one dollar worth 65 cents than three dollars worth 35 cents. No preference is "correct."

But in the end, I don't think there is a real need to debate it - there is very, very little any cam model can ever do to hurt your earnings. And while it may confuse us as to what another model is doing, it must work for her

 

[southsamurai]

just a thought on the general subject matter since the word tipping is what's used for giving payment to models. if you look at it as tipping, like at a restaurant then one tips one's wait staff because of services they provide YOU, not what services they do or dont provide to other diners, nor do you not tip them if others arent tipping their wait staff. yeah i know, its not the same thing at all, but a tip in food service is considered part of the cost of dining out, its payment for services rendered, but one that can be withheld in the case of poor service, or increased for very good service. sort of like the principle of tipping a model. should everyone tip something? absolutely. does it mean you have to give gigantic tips all the time? no. and its occasionally okay to not give a tip, thought don't expect the staff to be very happy to see you on your next visit.

 

[16_bit]

I've had several regulars over the years, some who haven't even been that big tippers, but they start finding it impossible to ignore the room numbers/the other people in the room, and have sometimes got upset/wanted to have goes at people in the room. What sometimes they don't realise is someone they wanted to have a go at in the room dropped several thousand tokens on me the week before. Besides the guests/basics, don't assume you know if someone's freeloading.

I agree with you on that, you don't always know what others might have done so sometimes it can backfire.
I started getting a model e-gifts cards instead of tokens to help more directly with her bills. It was my choice and i only got one when i would have bought tokens, around every 4 weeks. I still came to her room to hang out and chat but obviously i didn't have tokens to tip anymore. People could have easily seen me as freeloading even though i was helping, just in a different way.

To the topic of tipping or not tipping for a countdown, tip for whatever you want. They are you're tokens so don't let other people affect how you want to spend them. Plus some models love making their countdown and doing the show so tipping towards it will make them happier, at least they aren't waiting around for a show they actually want to do but not getting to do it.

 

[camstory]

I never listen when someone says "not for countdown" reason being is that I really want to reach that goal and do that show! That's why I count ALL tips towards any show goal. Videos, pic sets, other stuff I sell. It all goes towards the goal because I thoroughly enjoy reaching a goal in a reasonable amount of time and "performing" in a way that makes me feel great! This all comes down to my mantra of only doing things I enjoy on cam! If I have a topic for an oil show and someone tips me double the count to put on pajamas and just hang out, I'm going to say no and I'm going to do my oil show. If I wanted to hang out in pajamas I would have logged on in pajamas!

I don't often have to give up on countdowns though so I guess to the OP, I can understand your point but only depending on the room.
I would think it silly if a member refused to tip while I had a countdown up, however I try my best to put on a show while working towards a show. Removing items of clothing at points in the countdown, Dancing, sometimes busting out things like the jingle belt or nipple clamps.

I recently switch to public shows after a VERY long time of not doing them. Honestly, the way I had been doing things (naked shows in public, cum in groups and privates) for so long was no longer working for me. My room counts were getting smaller and smaller, goals were getting nearly impossible to reach and I was becoming MISERABLE! I hate to say that I was starting to hate the job I once loved.
Starting public cum shows at the time that I did was one of the best career decisions I've made because honestly, I wouldn't still be camming on MFC if things were still going like they were before.
I have NEVER had as many new tippers as I get during a show. I'm sure most of my fellers can agree, having new people tipping during a show feels amazing!
I put off public shows for so long because I was afraid it would make me feel unappreciated with the high numbers and (what I assumed) would be no tipping, it's however been the opposite. Public shows have made me feel SO appreciated, I have a hard time not giggling through the whole thing.

Just my :twocents-02cents: on a few of the subjects being discussed.

This ^^^^^ gets my vote for ACF's Best Of. Hell, it should be the title entry. It is just so pure JJ, I love it.

 

[nervous101]

This is why I detest public cum shows. So long as they are getting it for free why would they pay. they know the regs are gonna pay it all. When I go group I get my regs but also some who weren't tipping before. I really wish girls would stop doing public cum shows. It would force guys to pay. All I get with public cum shows is about 1000 guests who suddenly fill up the room then leave. Why would anyone want to give so many people a free show???

As long as I make my goals, I don't care who's tipping for it. Yes, it would be nice if every guy in the room paid, but it's never going to happen even if public cumshows stopped.
Last night was an example of why I do public cumshows. I had a countdown of 4,000tkns for one. I knew if I reached it, I would make my lowest goal. It took me 6hours to reach, which is suuuuuuper bad for me. One of the slowest nights I've ever had. Finally I reached it and started the show. As my room number jumped past 1000, the tips increased. Within 15min I made 3,000tkns in tips. That's what it took me 6hours to make when I was just playing games!!!!
There were at least 900 guys in my room who didn't tip. Do I really care after making so many tokens in so little time??? Nope! I could never make that in group. I average 3 or 4 people at once.

You may never make that in group but everyone who is in group who is watching you cum IS a paying member so yes you can have everyone pay for it and that is what group is. I get your point and I guess it works for you but for me If I have 3 or 4 people tipping the whole cum show then why not just go group and not let all the freeloaders see. It works for me. I typically make a countdown for naked around 2000tk or more then go group and make at least 3000tk total. Anytime I have tried a public cum show I get a few tippers and once the show starts I am lucky to get a few tips and all I get is 1000 freeloaders who cum then leave without ever tipping. i just dont get it. I dont get why models are ok with everyone seeing them cum for free when only a handful paid. Just my view.

Others have mentioned it, but it is mostly a preference thing, different models do different things. According to a few posts in here, some models also seem to do better with public shows.

 

[DudeExtreme]

3. Tips encourage more tips
3A. Yes they do up to a point but at some point they become counter productive. If every time a model complains about non getting tips the regulars start tipping the non-tippers know they can sit on their tokens and still enjoy a show. The whale effect is observed in many/most rooms. Several times I've been in Megan's room when she was struggling to hit countdown and the 3-5 of us who were tipping either in public chat or PM we'd ask where is Megan's Dude. I remember one time I literally had credit card in hand was preparing to buy 900 tokens and Megan's Dude appeared in Megan's room dropped a modest tip and my card when back in my wallet and I went back to making a few 10 token tips. Oh and MD I owe you for that thanks. :handgestures-salute:

I never regret tipping Megan while most tippers in those rooms are freeloaders. Monday night, I gave modestly and it was for playing games. For the cum show, I didn't tip at all and yet there were yellow walls for Megan. One regular really stepped up his game on Monday and Tuesday and it was very encouraging for me to see his generosity and growth in that area.

A free loader today might become a regular or big tipper tomorrow. Between August 2011 and June 12, 2012, I had spent a total of 147 tokens on MFC. That was with 5 models. When I was on MFC, I wasn't waiting for a countdown--until I was in Megan's room, I didn't understand countdowns. I was just there for a few minutes and then leave. During those months, I probably didn't go into MFC no more than 10 times total. My main rooms were on other sites and I definitely wasn't a big tipper.

There are some nights that I have seen Megan struggling and I've tipped a lot and other nights I just do modest tips regardless especially if the day before a huge tip was involved. It's a community effort that one person can't always tip. Even "whale tippers" have limitations. In other words, one night, I might do well; another night, I'm struggling because I don't have the means to pay for it, or I'm waiting for the monthly credit card cycle to end so it could be put on next months bill. On the nights when I'm broke, it would be good for the other guys to step up regardless of what I've done in the past.

I have thought about not giving for countdowns in the past when one of the big tippers didn't do it for countdowns. I decided to tip whenever I want to for whatever reason. If joining a club, Megan also counts it for a countdown, I'm okay with that. It's not about me; it's about the model. If you decide not to tip for countdowns, that's fine and tip for everything else you want.

 

[Jupiter551]

I don't mind tipping for countdowns if others are helping, even though I don't often stick around long enough for countdowns to finish. What really puts me off though is feeling like I'm the only one tipping - it literally makes me feel crappy to tip for something that 300 freeloaders are going to enjoy, and gives me conflicted feelings about tipping (even though I'm not doing it FOR them).
Sometimes I feel like the best tactic is to tip for half a flash or something, that way at least someone else has to contribute as well before the crowd can enjoy their free lunch.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

This is why I detest public cum shows. So long as they are getting it for free why would they pay. they know the regs are gonna pay it all. When I go group I get my regs but also some who weren't tipping before. I really wish girls would stop doing public cum shows. It would force guys to pay. All I get with public cum shows is about 1000 guests who suddenly fill up the room then leave. Why would anyone want to give so many people a free show???

As long as I make my goals, I don't care who's tipping for it. Yes, it would be nice if every guy in the room paid, but it's never going to happen even if public cumshows stopped.
Last night was an example of why I do public cumshows. I had a countdown of 4,000tkns for one. I knew if I reached it, I would make my lowest goal. It took me 6hours to reach, which is suuuuuuper bad for me. One of the slowest nights I've ever had. Finally I reached it and started the show. As my room number jumped past 1000, the tips increased. Within 15min I made 3,000tkns in tips. That's what it took me 6hours to make when I was just playing games!!!!
There were at least 900 guys in my room who didn't tip. Do I really care after making so many tokens in so little time??? Nope! I could never make that in group. I average 3 or 4 people at once.

You may never make that in group but everyone who is in group who is watching you cum IS a paying member so yes you can have everyone pay for it and that is what group is. I get your point and I guess it works for you but for me If I have 3 or 4 people tipping the whole cum show then why not just go group and not let all the freeloaders see. It works for me. I typically make a countdown for naked around 2000tk or more then go group and make at least 3000tk total. Anytime I have tried a public cum show I get a few tippers and once the show starts I am lucky to get a few tips and all I get is 1000 freeloaders who cum then leave without ever tipping. i just dont get it. I dont get why models are ok with everyone seeing them cum for free when only a handful paid. Just my view.

I completely agree with Ursavannah here. While it is certainly true that top models can do better with public cum shows, there are also plenty of models who make a very good living reserving their best shows for paying customers. After all MFC, stands for My Free Cams not My Free Cumshows and certainly didn't start out that way. Obviously groups don't seem to work for every model. In an ideal world there'd be the equivalent of a streammates gold show on MFC. A model could specify a minimum tokens that needed to be tipped/paid to see a show. I know this doesn't exist today, but ACF could act as lobby organization/models union to help push it.

In most businesses 20% of the customers account for 80% of the revenue. In MFC ~15% of members account for 100% of the revenue,and probably less than 5% account for 80%. This is very strange business model for a product which most men want very badly. So far MFC strategy seems to be working for them. But if any of you plan on camming as a career and continue to do it for the next 5 or 10 years. You may really want consider if this is strategy is going to work well in the long term.

The term whale, as am sure most of you know comes from the casino world, and it refers to high roller who is a heavy gambler. One of the differences between MFC and casino whales, is that casino whales are treated better than MFC whales for the most part. Hot girls keep them company is part of the standard treatment on both places, but casino whales get a lot of freebies. A big difference is that great effort is made to make sure that casino whales never have to mingle with the riff-raff unlike MFC where most of time the whale and freeloaders watch the same show. One problem with both casino whales and MFC whales is plenty of them spend more than they can afford. Once the credit cards are maxed out, they cease to be valuable, rather they become a beached whale, often causing quite a stink, and their rotting carcass being difficult to dispose off.

Now MFC does a good job of bringing new eyes to their site and for every 100 new guys there will be roughly 15 whole will spend any money, a couple who will spend a lot. The thing that most amazing about ACF is there are plenty of threads about how to get members to tip more, but virtually no discussion of how to get the 85% who spend nothing to upgrade.
Whatever the current economics of public cum shows vs groups and privates, it seems obvious to me that men want to see hot girls cum. If they can see if it for free many will happily pay nothing , if however it become difficult to watch free shows, suddenly some of the guys watching for free will pay for it.

My final whale analogy is to the real, beautiful mammals. At the beginning 1800s whales were quite plentiful in the world but the end of the century there were nearly extinct. (If you ever get to Maui the Whaling museum is pretty cool). What happened is that fisherman quickly figured there was a lot more to money to be made going after one huge whales, then in trying to catch thousands of little fish. As more more fisherman started hunting whales their numbers started to drop, and the end a lot of formerly rich whalers went broke. For the most part whalers are a despised profession because of their greed and short sighted outlook. So are you a fisherman or a whaler?

 

[curvyredhead]

[/quote]I get your point and I guess it works for you but for me If I have 3 or 4 people tipping the whole cum show then why not just go group and not let all the freeloaders see. It works for me.[/quote]--ursavannah

[/quote]I completely agree with Ursavannah here. While it is certainly true that top models can do better with public cum shows, there are also plenty of models who make a very good living reserving their best shows for paying customers. [/quote]---HiGirlsRHot

I pretty much addressed all of this in my much to long post...but I will basically repeat what I said earlier in a different way.

Because one thing works for one model does not mean it is going to work for all.

--My reason for not going to group--
Yes, For the most part yes I only have 3-6 people tipping for my whole cum shows. I am unable to go group because the chance of having 3 of those people online at the same time, ready to go to group at the same time, interested in going group (which would mean not being able to buy pre-made videos, picture sets, shots etc--all of which I count towards my goal).
That being said at least 3 people would have to stay in the group for a min of 15mins for it to amount to what would be slightly above my lowest goal I would set for a cumshow (something I would normally do after I have already done at least 2 cumshows already). This is simply not going to happen to me. I have yet to keep 3 or more people in a group for even 10mins.

I am in no way shape or form even remotely close to a Top Model--I do better with public cumshows.

Sorry about fucking up on the quotes.

 

[Alana Cruise]

I agree each girl should do what works for her. I also agree it would be awesome if MFC could incorporate the gold show strategy in some way. That way it could work just like token countdowns but then only those who paid are watching and others can join in later. I mean technically it is against mfc rules to cum in public chat but they may as well take that off the rules list since no one follows it.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

Like curvyredhead I have always struggled in groups.

If I have 3 guys in group, for them to even stay I pretty much have to be masturbating the whole time. My average token earning is 26 tokens per minute for the last 60 days, so I'd be making 4 tokens more than my average that I earn while I'm chilling, chatting, hanging out, doing what I want to do and eventually masturbating for 15 minutes. The last group I did which was successful and I was lucky to have three tipping regulars there the whole time, the average was 45 tokens per minute from the group, and I was there for half an hour, playing with myself pretty much solidly.

Essentially if I had an average of people in a group which'd make me more than a private then I'd love it! I don't really understand why groups aren't 20 tokens a minute, meaning 3 people could stay in a group for the girl to make the same as a private, especially when spying on a private is 20 tokens a minute! Sometimes when I'm in private I earn a similar amount in spies as I do for the actual show, if people are willing to spend for spying, then surely they'd spend that on group!

 

[n0_0n3]

There are a few takeaways on this thread for me:

public or group shows: every model is going to find out what works for her; let them decide how to handle her own room (IMO )

tipping (or not tipping) to prove a point seems to me to be a dick maneuver. IMO, and my opinion ONLY: if you have the means, tip when your dick is hard (to be blunt), or tip when you are smiling (to be nice ). If you do not have the means, or if you have no intent to tip, STFU. By that I mean, keep your requests to yourself. Or view as a guest.

whales: I certainly do not have the means to be one, but I would sure hate to be called one. It has a negative connotation to me. What is wrong with big tipper, top supporter, etc. I think of them as great guys. Great guys because they make the models smile, and maybe she stays on longer, etc. And we all win

My final whale analogy is to the real, beautiful mammals. At the beginning 1800s whales were quite plentiful in the world but the end of the century there were nearly extinct. (If you ever get to Maui the Whaling museum is pretty cool). What happened is that fisherman quickly figured there was a lot more to money to be made going after one huge whales, then in trying to catch thousands of little fish. As more more fisherman started hunting whales their numbers started to drop, and the end a lot of formerly rich whalers went broke. For the most part whalers are a despised profession because of their greed and short sighted outlook. So are you a fisherman or a whaler?

You left out the biggest reason for the decline of whaling: technology. Technology like steam ships that allowed whalers to go after and catch the faster whales, also allowed whalers to hunt year round. Technology like cannon-fired harpoons. Technology like the smart dudes who figured out what to do with the sludge they got when drilling for brine to make salt. From this sludge came kerosene, which threatened the whale-oil monopoly for lantern fuel. The whalers used their technology to harvest more whales year round in hopes they would get their monopoly back, but what happened was over hunting from which the whale population has not recovered. What this has to do with tipping, I do not know I just felt like adding it, lol.

 

[AngelaAmazing]

You are right I should have never used the term "whale" I only did cause it is what everyone in my room refers to him as and I was sort of telling the story as it happened. Which is why I used quotations to show a bit of sarcasm. I never refer to him myself as that and have had many conversation with him on his large tipping and the effect it has had on my room. For some reason his tips put a lot of people to shame in my room and it comes up a lot. Sometimes he will tip the whole amount of my goal and say sorry guys not for the topic, or tip right before he has to leave and say enjoy the show guys. (which I know maybe wrong of me but I never really feel like doing the show after he just tipped and left...) not because I feel I already got the money and he is gone so why should I? but more cause it seems wrong and unfair.

One other girl said money is money and it all spends the same so she does not really care who/where it comes from. Which is a valid point except I have felt the effects of my largest tipper taking a vacation. My pay was less than half of what I made when he was around. So it makes me feel unsafe to know half my income can just disappear like that.

Countdowns can be a great tip motivator in the room and it lets the room know what to expect. They can also be frustrating. When is all is said and done every girl is different and she needs to know what works best for her. As for me something that worked yesterday may not work the next day.

I never know what to do with ninja tips and the countdown... did they want it the amount not to be seen or just to be anonymous.

Not tipping towards the count can go either way, cause everyone is different. Some girl might not like to be told how to run her room and be offended, others not. Some members maybe find it ridiculous to see all these tokens coming in not to help the show (which only matter if they themselves have contributed to the count). What I meant to say before was if you want to try the not countdown approach you should try ninja tipping with a note cause it seems more discreet and less controversial to me. Plus it always adds the element of mystery in the room when all the trolls are wondering how much she got Then again whatever works best for you I am not trying to tell you what to do with your tokens. Only throwing out suggestion from what has worked in my room in the past.

(again sorry for the offensive whale reference, I truly care about this regular and I am personally offended every time someone brings up his tips in my room.)

 

[Evvie]

In an ideal world there'd be the equivalent of a streammates gold show on MFC. A model could specify a minimum tokens that needed to be tipped/paid to see a show. I know this doesn't exist today, but ACF could act as lobby organization/models union to help push it.

I also agree it would be awesome if MFC could incorporate the gold show strategy in some way.

Good news, everyone. There is already a very popular and high-paying camsite that has GOLD shows. You can sign up for it today and start doing GOLD shows without having to wait and hope that MFC will start doing them!

Which, in my opinion, they won't.

MFC *already* has a mechanism where a member can pay X amount to see a show. It's called the Group Show.

The drawback to the Streamate gold show is that if a member is willing to pay and see more, he cannot; the show is cut off at a certain amount of minutes no matter what. In the MFC group show, members who are willing to stay can pay as much as they want. The MFC group show is a MUCH cheaper and more flexible version of the combined Streamate GOLD and Private settings.

To me, there is no difference between "Join my group show to see X, Y, and Z for as long as you want!" and "Join my gold show to see X, Y, and Z for ten minutes!"

Whether or not the member pays a lump sum to watch an entire show, or pays by the minute to stay as long as he wants, is minor.

Not every woman can make money through group shows, nor can every woman make money from gold shows. Regardless of what you call it, they're the same thing.

 

[Alana Cruise]

In an ideal world there'd be the equivalent of a streammates gold show on MFC. A model could specify a minimum tokens that needed to be tipped/paid to see a show. I know this doesn't exist today, but ACF could act as lobby organization/models union to help push it.

I also agree it would be awesome if MFC could incorporate the gold show strategy in some way.

Good news, everyone. There is already a very popular and high-paying camsite that has GOLD shows. You can sign up for it today and start doing GOLD shows without having to wait and hope that MFC will start doing them!

Which, in my opinion, they won't.

MFC *already* has a mechanism where a member can pay X amount to see a show. It's called the Group Show.

The drawback to the Streamate gold show is that if a member is willing to pay and see more, he cannot; the show is cut off at a certain amount of minutes no matter what. In the MFC group show, members who are willing to stay can pay as much as they want. The MFC group show is a MUCH cheaper and more flexible version of the combined Streamate GOLD and Private settings.

To me, there is no difference between "Join my group show to see X, Y, and Z for as long as you want!" and "Join my gold show to see X, Y, and Z for ten minutes!"

Whether or not the member pays a lump sum to watch an entire show, or pays by the minute to stay as long as he wants, is minor.

Not every woman can make money through group shows, nor can every woman make money from gold shows. Regardless of what you call it, they're the same thing.

making 10tk a min compared to a set amount of tokens or dollars like 3000tk or whatever....How is that the same? To me the gold show idea is similiar to the mfc concept of x amount of tokens for a show. Only when it happens only those who pay see. Why not have that but no time limit. Like why couldnt MFC have it so we can do a show set a token amount then go into another chat like group(tho you already paid) rather than just go into group and make practically nothing. I am not knocking the MFC way but saying the concept would be nice to see on MFC and in my opinion better but I guess models are expecting all their tips to come while in the show? I don't get it. I like the idea of a countdown to cum but would like it so once the goal is reached non paying members could not see. I am just thinking of ways to make it better I dont see why we cant suggest things that could be better. oh and FYI Streamate only pays 35%

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

You are right I should have never used the term "whale" I only did cause it is what everyone in my room refers to him as and I was sort of telling the story as it happened. Which is why I used quotations to show a bit of sarcasm. I never refer to him myself as that and have had many conversation with him on his large tipping and the effect it has had on my room. For some reason his tips put a lot of people to shame in my room and it comes up a lot. Sometimes he will tip the whole amount of my goal and say sorry guys not for the topic, or tip right before he has to leave and say enjoy the show guys. (which I know maybe wrong of me but I never really feel like doing the show after he just tipped and left...) not because I feel I already got the money and he is gone so why should I? but more cause it seems wrong and unfair.
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I never know what to do with ninja tips and the countdown... did they want it the amount not to be seen or just to be anonymous.

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(again sorry for the offensive whale reference, I truly care about this regular and I am personally offended every time someone brings up his tips in my room.)

I can understand why some people are offended by the term whale. Although it is not clear your regular would be among them. While there are plenty of guys like Jupiter and myself who feel crappy if we feel it is just myself or sometime me and couple of other tipping, there are others who like to do so. I've have also been in rooms when one guy drops a big tip to finish the countdown and then says enjoy the show and leaves the room. I guess these guy enjoy the clapping from the room, the same way that I guy who orders drinks for the bar (only happened once to me) like the thanks. At the end of day guys tip for different reasons and we should take their word for it. I've know casino whales and hotel whales who were proud of be considered a whale.

I do like the idea of using ninja tips if I am not tipping for countdown and will use it in the future. As long as the freeloaders don't think if they wait long enough I'll finish the countdown for them I'm happy camper.

 

[mynameisbob84]

I just dont get it but I will shut up now bc Obv people want to break the rules and have every tom dick and harry see them cum including kids

I can't help but think it's all getting a wee bit passive aggressive now. If a "kid" can get onto a computer, set up an MFC account and watch a public show then they can also get a hold of their parent's credit card, log onto SM and watch a Gold Show. If kids seeing your shows is a huge issue for you, I hate to be the one to break it to ya, but there's always gonna be the possibility of an underage kid checking out one of your shows, regardless of which site you work on.