Not tipping for countdown

[mynameisbob84]

Personally, I think saying "this tip is not for the countdown" or "this tip IS for the countdown" or any other similar way of tipping (other than say, buying a video or something) sounds too much like a member trying to control a model's room. Remember, the room belongs to the model, not you. Let her decide how to use the tip. If you like the model, tip her--don't play little games of strategy that may only serve to piss her off.

Largely playing devil's advocate here but I can see why someone might want to tip and it not come off a countdown. If a member's decided he wants to give a model a substantial tip because he likes that model and she happens to be in the middle of a countdown that's equal to or less than his tip, I can see why he might say "here's x amount of tokens but I don't want to pay for a free show for all these freeloaders - it's a gift for you and not them after all - so can it please not come off the countdown?".
It's then up to the model what she does with that tip but I don't think the member would be out of order for requesting that she doesn't take it off of her countdown, ya know? :twocents-02cents:

 

[LaceyRoyce]

Personally, I think saying "this tip is not for the countdown" or "this tip IS for the countdown" or any other similar way of tipping (other than say, buying a video or something) sounds too much like a member trying to control a model's room. Remember, the room belongs to the model, not you. Let her decide how to use the tip. If you like the model, tip her--don't play little games of strategy that may only serve to piss her off.

Largely playing devil's advocate here but I can see why someone might want to tip and it not come off a countdown. If a member's decided he wants to give a model a substantial tip because he likes that model and she happens to be in the middle of a countdown that's equal to or less than his tip, I can see why he might say "here's x amount of tokens but I don't want to pay for a free show for all these freeloaders - it's a gift for you and not them after all - so can it please not come off the countdown?".
It's then up to the model what she does with that tip but I don't think the member would be out of order for requesting that she doesn't take it off of her countdown, ya know? :twocents-02cents:

That is a good point - to clarify when I said tipping for a countdown is a good thing (especially in a quiet room) - i meant smaller tips that will not wipe out the countdown, but more encourage other contributions.

Giant tips are best given offline (yay camscore!), at the end of a show/before she logs off, or before she puts up a countdown, IMO.

 

[PlayboyMegan]

Personally, I think saying "this tip is not for the countdown" or "this tip IS for the countdown" or any other similar way of tipping (other than say, buying a video or something) sounds too much like a member trying to control a model's room. Remember, the room belongs to the model, not you. Let her decide how to use the tip. If you like the model, tip her--don't play little games of strategy that may only serve to piss her off.

Largely playing devil's advocate here but I can see why someone might want to tip and it not come off a countdown. If a member's decided he wants to give a model a substantial tip because he likes that model and she happens to be in the middle of a countdown that's equal to or less than his tip, I can see why he might say "here's x amount of tokens but I don't want to pay for a free show for all these freeloaders - it's a gift for you and not them after all - so can it please not come off the countdown?".
It's then up to the model what she does with that tip but I don't think the member would be out of order for requesting that she doesn't take it off of her countdown, ya know? :twocents-02cents:

I see both points, but if it helps her finish the countdown, and he show will produce other tips, just let her do it. Trust the model. The only times I don't count them is if a guy asks (although I really prefer he didn't) or a tip bomb. I understand when a guy tips 5,000tkns it's probably not because he wanted to treat the room to a free show.

 

[Nordling]

Personally, I think saying "this tip is not for the countdown" or "this tip IS for the countdown" or any other similar way of tipping (other than say, buying a video or something) sounds too much like a member trying to control a model's room. Remember, the room belongs to the model, not you. Let her decide how to use the tip. If you like the model, tip her--don't play little games of strategy that may only serve to piss her off.

Largely playing devil's advocate here but I can see why someone might want to tip and it not come off a countdown. If a member's decided he wants to give a model a substantial tip because he likes that model and she happens to be in the middle of a countdown that's equal to or less than his tip, I can see why he might say "here's x amount of tokens but I don't want to pay for a free show for all these freeloaders - it's a gift for you and not them after all - so can it please not come off the countdown?".
It's then up to the model what she does with that tip but I don't think the member would be out of order for requesting that she doesn't take it off of her countdown, ya know? :twocents-02cents:

I see both points, but if it helps her finish the countdown, and he show will produce other tips, just let her do it. Trust the model. The only times I don't count them is if a guy asks (although I really prefer he didn't) or a tip bomb. I understand when a guy tips 5,000tkns it's probably not because he wanted to treat the room to a free show.

Yeah, and probably the ideal would be to put in a tip note, "use this however you think is best" rather than trying to dictate it.

 

[LacieLaPlante]

Yeah, and probably the ideal would be to put in a tip note, "use this however you think is best" rather than trying to dictate it.

No one who has said, "don't use this for countdown" has ever been offended when I have said "I'd really like to do the show though, so I'm going to count it anyway". I can see how this seems "controlling" of them to put in the tip note, but I feel like we're almost splitting hairs when the guys end up not caring either way what you do with it.

Does it even freaking matter how you word the tip note? Are we as camgirls getting too touchy?!? I mean, obviously the intention of the guy was to be nice, not to control you. Jeebus.

 

[PlayboyMegan]

Yeah, and probably the ideal would be to put in a tip note, "use this however you think is best" rather than trying to dictate it.

No one who has said, "don't use this for countdown" has ever been offended when I have said "I'd really like to do the show though, so I'm going to count it anyway". I can see how this seems "controlling" of them to put in the tip note, but I feel like we're almost splitting hairs when the guys end up not caring either way what you do with it.

Does it even freaking matter how you word the tip note? Are we as camgirls getting too touchy?!? I mean, obviously the intention of the guy was to be nice, not to control you. Jeebus.

Actually, some guys purposely tip TO control the girl. They like the power.
Edit: I know a high tipper that drops bombs on many girls. He told me that once he came into a room (the guys knew him as a high tipper) and a guy PM'd him and said, "No one tip. She's getting desperate and will lower her prices and just do the show anyways." It's a sickening thought, but this does occur. Or you have the white knight tipping you to put your clothes back on (not to be silly, but to be controlling)

 

[LacieLaPlante]

Yeah, and probably the ideal would be to put in a tip note, "use this however you think is best" rather than trying to dictate it.

No one who has said, "don't use this for countdown" has ever been offended when I have said "I'd really like to do the show though, so I'm going to count it anyway". I can see how this seems "controlling" of them to put in the tip note, but I feel like we're almost splitting hairs when the guys end up not caring either way what you do with it.

Does it even freaking matter how you word the tip note? Are we as camgirls getting too touchy?!? I mean, obviously the intention of the guy was to be nice, not to control you. Jeebus.

Actually, some guys purposely tip TO control the girl. They like the power.

Yes, I know that.. but not all guys. I'm just trying to say we don't need to automatically assume they're trying to control us because they ask for the tip not to be counted. I'd be pretty offended if someone thought this of me. I just feel like we're doing too much generalization and I hate that. I'm always gonna be that person coming in and saying "Not always," because I just don't believe that this could possibly be every person's intention!!

I have guys who tip for control and they don't do anything like this.

 

[PlayboyMegan]

Yeah, and probably the ideal would be to put in a tip note, "use this however you think is best" rather than trying to dictate it.

No one who has said, "don't use this for countdown" has ever been offended when I have said "I'd really like to do the show though, so I'm going to count it anyway". I can see how this seems "controlling" of them to put in the tip note, but I feel like we're almost splitting hairs when the guys end up not caring either way what you do with it.

Does it even freaking matter how you word the tip note? Are we as camgirls getting too touchy?!? I mean, obviously the intention of the guy was to be nice, not to control you. Jeebus.

Actually, some guys purposely tip TO control the girl. They like the power.

Yes, I know that.. but not all guys. I'm just trying to say we don't need to automatically assume they're trying to control us because they ask for the tip not to be counted. I'd be pretty offended if someone thought this of me. I just feel like we're doing too much generalization and I hate that. I'm always gonna be that person coming in and saying "Not always," because I just don't believe that this could possibly be every person's intention!!

I understand there are two sides. But no guy can go wrong with letting the girl decide.

 

[Nordling]

Yeah, I was generalizing, and certainly every incident has to go on its own merits: the context at the time, how well you know that particular member, etc. I'm mostly generalizing on the feeling I got from the OP--which sounded to me like a subtle strategy to control things.

 

[southsamurai]

interjecting in a semi useless manner here, but jolene, lolli, megan and lacie have all said really good things in this thread. i've seen them all do their thing and i have to say that each of them is an amazing model, and impress the hell out of me as people outside of the framework of mfc as well. even if my opinion had been different from theirs beforehand, i do believe that those ladies would have changed my mind, just because its them. and can i add in a little something off topic? i sooo wish that more business leaders had half the intelligence, skill and depth of thought as the ladies of the cam world that i've met here and on MFC. if that were so i dont think our economy would be screwed up the way it is.

 

[mynameisbob84]

Or you have the white knight tipping you to put your clothes back on (not to be silly, but to be controlling)

I hate those guys. Those are the guys that really are trying to control the model and while I'm sure they think they're being chivalrous, the reality is they're being complete dicks. The implication is "while I'm here, you don't have to lower yourself to taking your clothes off to make money" which is offensive for a whole host of reasons.

I think Lacie's right about those guys being in the minority though. I think that most of the times somebody tips "not for a countdown" they do so in the hopes that the model can enjoy their tip and still make the money from their countdown on top of their tip. But I can also see why a model would want that tip to come off their countdown anyway and if that's what they choose to do, I don't envision it being a problem for many tippers. If a gift comes with a mandate, it's not really a gift after all.

 

[RogueWarrior]

I've said it before, but it seems apropos to reiterate in this thread.

I generally do not tip for things, but because of things. Because I like her. Because she did something I liked. Because she did something goofy. Because she made me laugh. Because they're my damn tokens and I'll tip if want to. Because (fill in the blank). Seems I'm never disappointed this way.

As for countdowns, I don't tip for a countdown, but I will tip during a countdown. I also ninja tip more often than not, always with a tip note. I never explicitly indicate that a tip not for the countdown, but the tip note will usually imply the countdown is not the reason for the tip. Sometimes models automatically apply it to the countdown, other times they will ask. If asked, I always reply that the tip is now yours, do with it what you want. If you want it applied to the countdown, by all means, do it. If you don't, then don't. The room doesn't know how much it was for anyway.

Maybe I'm strange, but, hey, it takes all kinds right?

 

[curvyredhead]

I never listen when someone says "not for countdown" reason being is that I really want to reach that goal and do that show! That's why I count ALL tips towards any show goal. Videos, pic sets, other stuff I sell. It all goes towards the goal because I thoroughly enjoy reaching a goal in a reasonable amount of time and "performing" in a way that makes me feel great! This all comes down to my mantra of only doing things I enjoy on cam! If I have a topic for an oil show and someone tips me double the count to put on pajamas and just hang out, I'm going to say no and I'm going to do my oil show. If I wanted to hang out in pajamas I would have logged on in pajamas!

I don't often have to give up on countdowns though so I guess to the OP, I can understand your point but only depending on the room.
I would think it silly if a member refused to tip while I had a countdown up, however I try my best to put on a show while working towards a show. Removing items of clothing at points in the countdown, Dancing, sometimes busting out things like the jingle belt or nipple clamps.

I recently switch to public shows after a VERY long time of not doing them. Honestly, the way I had been doing things (naked shows in public, cum in groups and privates) for so long was no longer working for me. My room counts were getting smaller and smaller, goals were getting nearly impossible to reach and I was becoming MISERABLE! I hate to say that I was starting to hate the job I once loved.
Starting public cum shows at the time that I did was one of the best career decisions I've made because honestly, I wouldn't still be camming on MFC if things were still going like they were before.
I have NEVER had as many new tippers as I get during a show. I'm sure most of my fellers can agree, having new people tipping during a show feels amazing!
I put off public shows for so long because I was afraid it would make me feel unappreciated with the high numbers and (what I assumed) would be no tipping, it's however been the opposite. Public shows have made me feel SO appreciated, I have a hard time not giggling through the whole thing.

Just my :twocents-02cents: on a few of the subjects being discussed.

This kinda makes me wana buy tokens to tip ya and demand you do not count them. DEMAND I SAY!!!!!!
Hmmmmm

 

[LadyLuna]

Any time people have tipped me and asked it not to be for a countdown, an hour later I forget that their tip was not supposed to be for the countdown and end up counting it anyway. If you want it to not go for the countdown, at least put it in the tip note to make it easier for the model to find the tip.

For this reason, I have stopped doing a public countdown. in my profile, it states that when I reach 2000 tokens for the night, I will do a show. Since I count all privates, groups, and spies towards that goal, all I have to do is compare my token total to the goal. Thus, if someone tips a "not for countdown", or requests that their private is not for the countdown, my plan is to add their tip to the goal and put that on a notepad document next to my screen. That way, I still just have to look at my token total to know "do I have it yet or not?" If it's greater than, then yes, I have it. If it's less than, then no, I don't.

This also worked for Sunday, when I logged off for my dinner break and logged back on with 0 under the tokens. Since there's no public countdown, all I had to do was pull up calculator and subtract what I'd already made from 2000, and keep that to the side. When I hit the countdown, I announce that we have reached my secondary goal, which means I'll pull a show from the hat. Then I post in newfeed and twitter that the show from a hat is about to happen, and give the minutes (till the next time the clock has a 0 or 5 at the end, min 5 mins max 9 mins). This lets the room fill up a bit before I pull the show from the hat and show it to the room.

BUT, I also warn that there is no penetration and no cumming during these shows, and that I will not be responding to pm or public chat. It seemed to work well last time.

For the record, after my return on the 20th, my camscore was almost 800 (like, 770 something). Today it's showing at about 1150. Somewhere within 200 points of average is standard for me, so my tactics might not work for models much higher or much lower.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

Agree with a lot that's been said here. Even the opposing sides.

I think if you're tipping in 10's/20's let the girl put it towards a countdown, it'll help her more in the long run. If a member, especially a regular drops a bomb then chances are it's not for the countdown and I don't really feel it should necessarily go towards it (unless there's not very much left of the countdown/they wanted it to go towards countdown).

In the past I've been struggling with a countdown before and I've got a regular to ninja tip like 10 tokens, pretend it was like 400 tokens and remove it from the countdown. The reason being say my countdown was 2000 tokens, sometimes people see that and think "oh my god! massive!" and don't tip. Once it looks like someone has tipped it down a load quite often I'll make that 1600 tokens. 1600 tokens isn't as good as 2k, but it's much better than logging off with 0! Chances are I'll make tokens after the show too so it'll probably make up for it.

 

[Ann_Sulu]

Agree with a lot that's been said here. Even the opposing sides.

I think if you're tipping in 10's/20's let the girl put it towards a countdown, it'll help her more in the long run. If a member, especially a regular drops a bomb then chances are it's not for the countdown and I don't really feel it should necessarily go towards it (unless there's not very much left of the countdown/they wanted it to go towards countdown).

In the past I've been struggling with a countdown before and I've got a regular to ninja tip like 10 tokens, pretend it was like 400 tokens and remove it from the countdown. The reason being say my countdown was 2000 tokens, sometimes people see that and think "oh my god! massive!" and don't tip. Once it looks like someone has tipped it down a load quite often I'll make that 1600 tokens. 1600 tokens isn't as good as 2k, but it's much better than logging off with 0! Chances are I'll make tokens after the show too so it'll probably make up for it.

I kinda wish I tried your ninja method the last two days. I've gotten about 150 tokens the last two days, and barely any of either of my topics I used have budged. There is something very bothersome about a topic like that, when it just keeps staring at you till you eventually have to log off or stab your monitor!

 

[DudeExtreme]

This is why I detest public cum shows. So long as they are getting it for free why would they pay. they know the regs are gonna pay it all. When I go group I get my regs but also some who weren't tipping before. I really wish girls would stop doing public cum shows. It would force guys to pay. All I get with public cum shows is about 1000 guests who suddenly fill up the room then leave. Why would anyone want to give so many people a free show???

As long as I make my goals, I don't care who's tipping for it. Yes, it would be nice if every guy in the room paid, but it's never going to happen even if public cumshows stopped.
Last night was an example of why I do public cumshows. I had a countdown of 4,000tkns for one. I knew if I reached it, I would make my lowest goal. It took me 6hours to reach, which is suuuuuuper bad for me. One of the slowest nights I've ever had. Finally I reached it and started the show. As my room number jumped past 1000, the tips increased. Within 15min I made 3,000tkns in tips. That's what it took me 6hours to make when I was just playing games!!!!
There were at least 900 guys in my room who didn't tip. Do I really care after making so many tokens in so little time??? Nope! I could never make that in group. I average 3 or 4 people at once.

It was good for me to witness the last few minutes during the cum show. There were a long yellow wall. I had tipped during the games, but I was able to "act like a freeloader" for the cum show. It was encouraging to be an observer and an not a participant this time. The guys that did tip, really pulled it together I thought.

 

[DudeExtreme]

Yeah, and probably the ideal would be to put in a tip note, "use this however you think is best" rather than trying to dictate it.

No one who has said, "don't use this for countdown" has ever been offended when I have said "I'd really like to do the show though, so I'm going to count it anyway". I can see how this seems "controlling" of them to put in the tip note, but I feel like we're almost splitting hairs when the guys end up not caring either way what you do with it.

Does it even freaking matter how you word the tip note? Are we as camgirls getting too touchy?!? I mean, obviously the intention of the guy was to be nice, not to control you. Jeebus.

Actually, some guys purposely tip TO control the girl. They like the power.
Edit: I know a high tipper that drops bombs on many girls. He told me that once he came into a room (the guys knew him as a high tipper) and a guy PM'd him and said, "No one tip. She's getting desperate and will lower her prices and just do the show anyways." It's a sickening thought, but this does occur. Or you have the white knight tipping you to put your clothes back on (not to be silly, but to be controlling)

I remembered the one time a high tipper had you get dressed. I just thought he was trying to help you because you were having a slow night finishing the countdown. I joined in and tipped to put some sunglasses on you, but I was just being silly since your eyes are my weakness. At times, I do joke that if the guys don't help you, I will tip to put clothes on you, but so far its just me being silly.

 

[HarmlessSquirrel]

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I generally do not tip for things, but because of things. Because I like her. Because she did something I liked. Because she did something goofy. Because she made me laugh. Because they're my damn tokens and I'll tip if want to. Because (fill in the blank). Seems I'm never disappointed this way.

:text-yeahthat:

I've tipped not for countdown a few times. I don't like countdowns much, but if the model is having trouble getting one moving, I probably wouldn't say not for topic then because it's not fun for anyone if the model gets frustrated. Also, I would definitely not be upset if the model told me she wanted to count a no-count tip anyway. That said, I can understand people wanting to tip not for countdown if they're one of a few who always carry the room. Probably in that situation, I wouldn't say I'd never tip for countdown, but it seems reasonable to make some other people pitch in to get a show once in a while.

Some guys may like to feel like they're in control because of their tips, but as long as they're not obnoxious and not trying to get something the model isn't comfortable with, does it really matter what their motivation is? I can think of a few legitimate reasons to tip not for topic. First, as above, you might want to tip the model but not want to give everyone else a free ride. If your tip is a "just because" tip rather than buying something instead of going for the countdown, that doesn't seem particularly selfish to me -- as a prior poster said, you might want to give something to the model but not to the people who aren't tipping. Second you might just want to say, "this is for you because you're cool, not because I want something for it." Granted, it might be better to do that when the model isn't struggling to complete a countdown. Finally, and this probably only works when tips for countdown are coming in at a pretty good rate: Assuming some people will only tip toward a goal, it might actually increase the total tips collected if some tips not for countdown come in on top of making the countdown total. Again, that only works if the countdown gets finished without counting your tips. I tried this a bit when a popular model I like was making her countdowns without a problem, and we were hoping to get her into the top 20. The reason not to leave it to the model's discretion here isn't to control the model -- it's because it would look questionable if she decided on her own not to count certain tips, but if the tipper asks for it, it's not her doing and she can keep the countdown going and collect more tips from people who only tip for a goal.

 

[JoleneBrody]

I never listen when someone says "not for countdown" reason being is that I really want to reach that goal and do that show! That's why I count ALL tips towards any show goal. Videos, pic sets, other stuff I sell. It all goes towards the goal because I thoroughly enjoy reaching a goal in a reasonable amount of time and "performing" in a way that makes me feel great! This all comes down to my mantra of only doing things I enjoy on cam! If I have a topic for an oil show and someone tips me double the count to put on pajamas and just hang out, I'm going to say no and I'm going to do my oil show. If I wanted to hang out in pajamas I would have logged on in pajamas!

I don't often have to give up on countdowns though so I guess to the OP, I can understand your point but only depending on the room.
I would think it silly if a member refused to tip while I had a countdown up, however I try my best to put on a show while working towards a show. Removing items of clothing at points in the countdown, Dancing, sometimes busting out things like the jingle belt or nipple clamps.

I recently switch to public shows after a VERY long time of not doing them. Honestly, the way I had been doing things (naked shows in public, cum in groups and privates) for so long was no longer working for me. My room counts were getting smaller and smaller, goals were getting nearly impossible to reach and I was becoming MISERABLE! I hate to say that I was starting to hate the job I once loved.
Starting public cum shows at the time that I did was one of the best career decisions I've made because honestly, I wouldn't still be camming on MFC if things were still going like they were before.
I have NEVER had as many new tippers as I get during a show. I'm sure most of my fellers can agree, having new people tipping during a show feels amazing!
I put off public shows for so long because I was afraid it would make me feel unappreciated with the high numbers and (what I assumed) would be no tipping, it's however been the opposite. Public shows have made me feel SO appreciated, I have a hard time not giggling through the whole thing.

Just my :twocents-02cents: on a few of the subjects being discussed.

This kinda makes me wana buy tokens to tip ya and demand you do not count them. DEMAND I SAY!!!!!!
Hmmmmm

 

[Just Me]

I try to maintain control over my room with the intention to have things be fair.

If I'm doing a countdown and I have one or two people do most of it, I do various mini goals of 100 or smaller tokens and if I don't get a new tipper in the time frame of 5 mins I would log off or not do what the countdown says.

This usually works most of the time. It allowed me to turn new tippers into regs and not have the old tippers being taken for granted.

How is this is fair to the ones that were tipping? Yeah, yeah I am sure it will be said that the ones doing all the tipping are regulars and would be there regardless. If they did not want their tips going to the countdown, they can certainly make that clear. Just because they are regulars and playing the good guy by tipping even when there is not a countdown doesn't mean they don't want their tips to count when there is a countdown.

Maybe I should post this part in the pet peeves section. There are no free shows, at least I have yet to see one done for free. It might be frustrating that many are watching for free but I have yet to see a model just say "fuck it" I am doing a public cum show for everyone, no tipping allowed. :lol: I think the tippers should be the ones getting more upset that there are so many watching without contributing, and while I am sure some do it tends to be the models talking about doing free shows even when the tip goals are met.

 

[LaceyRoyce]

I try to maintain control over my room with the intention to have things be fair.

If I'm doing a countdown and I have one or two people do most of it, I do various mini goals of 100 or smaller tokens and if I don't get a new tipper in the time frame of 5 mins I would log off or not do what the countdown says.

This usually works most of the time. It allowed me to turn new tippers into regs and not have the old tippers being taken for granted.

How is this is fair to the ones that were tipping? Yeah, yeah I am sure it will be said that the ones doing all the tipping are regulars and would be there regardless. If they did not want their tips going to the countdown, they can certainly make that clear. Just because they are regulars and playing the good guy by tipping even when there is not a countdown doesn't mean they don't want their tips to count when there is a countdown.

Maybe I should post this part in the pet peeves section. There are no free shows, at least I have yet to see one done for free. It might be frustrating that many are watching for free but I have yet to see a model just say "fuck it" I am doing a public cum show for everyone, no tipping allowed. :lol: I think the tippers should be the ones getting more upset that there are so many watching without contributing, and while I am sure some do it tends to be the models talking about doing free shows even when the tip goals are met.

Just to annoy you, I have done a free cum show.

What? I was horny.

 

[Just Me]

I try to maintain control over my room with the intention to have things be fair.

If I'm doing a countdown and I have one or two people do most of it, I do various mini goals of 100 or smaller tokens and if I don't get a new tipper in the time frame of 5 mins I would log off or not do what the countdown says.

This usually works most of the time. It allowed me to turn new tippers into regs and not have the old tippers being taken for granted.

How is this is fair to the ones that were tipping? Yeah, yeah I am sure it will be said that the ones doing all the tipping are regulars and would be there regardless. If they did not want their tips going to the countdown, they can certainly make that clear. Just because they are regulars and playing the good guy by tipping even when there is not a countdown doesn't mean they don't want their tips to count when there is a countdown.

Maybe I should post this part in the pet peeves section. There are no free shows, at least I have yet to see one done for free. It might be frustrating that many are watching for free but I have yet to see a model just say "fuck it" I am doing a public cum show for everyone, no tipping allowed. :lol: I think the tippers should be the ones getting more upset that there are so many watching without contributing, and while I am sure some do it tends to be the models talking about doing free shows even when the tip goals are met.

Just to annoy you, I have done a free cum show.

What? I was horny.

I am usually more careful with absolute statements :thumbleft: but I did say I have yet to see one.

 

[PlayboyMegan]

Yeah, and probably the ideal would be to put in a tip note, "use this however you think is best" rather than trying to dictate it.

No one who has said, "don't use this for countdown" has ever been offended when I have said "I'd really like to do the show though, so I'm going to count it anyway". I can see how this seems "controlling" of them to put in the tip note, but I feel like we're almost splitting hairs when the guys end up not caring either way what you do with it.

Does it even freaking matter how you word the tip note? Are we as camgirls getting too touchy?!? I mean, obviously the intention of the guy was to be nice, not to control you. Jeebus.

Actually, some guys purposely tip TO control the girl. They like the power.
Edit: I know a high tipper that drops bombs on many girls. He told me that once he came into a room (the guys knew him as a high tipper) and a guy PM'd him and said, "No one tip. She's getting desperate and will lower her prices and just do the show anyways." It's a sickening thought, but this does occur. Or you have the white knight tipping you to put your clothes back on (not to be silly, but to be controlling)

I remembered the one time a high tipper had you get dressed. I just thought he was trying to help you because you were having a slow night finishing the countdown. I joined in and tipped to put some sunglasses on you, but I was just being silly since your eyes are my weakness. At times, I do joke that if the guys don't help you, I will tip to put clothes on you, but so far its just me being silly.

Yes, I don't mind that at all. I am very good at realizing intentions f the tipper. I know you are not a controlling asshole and just a silly guy. It's fun to have people tip to put on clothes, other guys tip to have them off, and it go back and fourth. It's just that some guys (not you) dress girls because they think what they are doing is shameful and they want to cover them up. That's when it's wrong.

 

[PlayboyMegan]

I try to maintain control over my room with the intention to have things be fair.

If I'm doing a countdown and I have one or two people do most of it, I do various mini goals of 100 or smaller tokens and if I don't get a new tipper in the time frame of 5 mins I would log off or not do what the countdown says.

This usually works most of the time. It allowed me to turn new tippers into regs and not have the old tippers being taken for granted.

How is this is fair to the ones that were tipping? Yeah, yeah I am sure it will be said that the ones doing all the tipping are regulars and would be there regardless. If they did not want their tips going to the countdown, they can certainly make that clear. Just because they are regulars and playing the good guy by tipping even when there is not a countdown doesn't mean they don't want their tips to count when there is a countdown.

Maybe I should post this part in the pet peeves section. There are no free shows, at least I have yet to see one done for free. It might be frustrating that many are watching for free but I have yet to see a model just say "fuck it" I am doing a public cum show for everyone, no tipping allowed. :lol: I think the tippers should be the ones getting more upset that there are so many watching without contributing, and while I am sure some do it tends to be the models talking about doing free shows even when the tip goals are met.

Just to annoy you, I have done a free cum show.

What? I was horny.

I've done the same. I was masturbating on my own, and said, "fuck it, I can do this on MFC and at least get some tips for it!!!"
Surprisingly, I got tipped the same amount if I were to do a countdown first.

 

[GingerAnn]

I've said it before, but it seems apropos to reiterate in this thread.

I generally do not tip for things, but because of things. Because I like her. Because she did something I liked. Because she did something goofy. Because she made me laugh. Because they're my damn tokens and I'll tip if want to. Because (fill in the blank). Seems I'm never disappointed this way.

As for countdowns, I don't tip for a countdown, but I will tip during a countdown. I also ninja tip more often than not, always with a tip note. I never explicitly indicate that a tip not for the countdown, but the tip note will usually imply the countdown is not the reason for the tip. Sometimes models automatically apply it to the countdown, other times they will ask. If asked, I always reply that the tip is now yours, do with it what you want. If you want it applied to the countdown, by all means, do it. If you don't, then don't. The room doesn't know how much it was for anyway.

Maybe I'm strange, but, hey, it takes all kinds right?

You're perfect!

Lol, but really, THAT is how I wish MFC worked and how I am hoping to get it to work for me now that I've decided to no longer do cum shows. I really feel like it should be common sense, if you enjoy her, show her so with a tip. If that tip for love just SO HAPPENS to also help her reach her goal, who the hell cares?! She knows you appreciated her funny joke and she gets closer to doing something she wants to do. Why on earth do tips just because and tips for a countdown even need to be mutually exclusive?!?!

I'm still planning on doing countdowns for little shows other than cum show, but mostly I just want to be there and be entertaining and have guys tip me because they're enjoying their time in my room, rather than tipping because they want to reach some huge goal for a show. I want to be able to log off having not made a countdown, or having not even HAD a countdown at all without feeling like I'm cheating the tippers out of something. I want to feel like my company and the fun conversation we shared and my sexy topless dancing was WORTH their 20 or 200 or 500 tokens.

The whole aspect of a cum show countdown just causes so much anxiety for me and my room. Too many guys are afraid to tip if it's slow because of the chance that the show won't happen, but that thought process creates a bit of a catch 22, doesn't it? And it also means the guys who are really interested in the show are often the guys who do not tip. For me the people who DO tip just do it because they like me, not because they're dying to see me masturbate. Most of the time my larger tippers would LEAVE before the countdown for a cum show got finished and then I end up with a big group of freeloaders who bitch and whine when I log off leaving it uncompleted.

Tipping habits are not my only reason for stopping my on-cam orgasms, but the effect that these countdowns had on the room and on my self esteem (y nobody wanna see me cum?) just made it not worth it anymore.

This was just the trend in MY camroom. I don't think girls should stop public cum shows if it's working for them and for their tippers. I think it really just comes down finding a model whose camming style fits well with your tipping style.

 

[Kickaz]

I try to maintain control over my room with the intention to have things be fair.

If I'm doing a countdown and I have one or two people do most of it, I do various mini goals of 100 or smaller tokens and if I don't get a new tipper in the time frame of 5 mins I would log off or not do what the countdown says.

This usually works most of the time. It allowed me to turn new tippers into regs and not have the old tippers being taken for granted.

How is this is fair to the ones that were tipping? Yeah, yeah I am sure it will be said that the ones doing all the tipping are regulars and would be there regardless. If they did not want their tips going to the countdown, they can certainly make that clear. Just because they are regulars and playing the good guy by tipping even when there is not a countdown doesn't mean they don't want their tips to count when there is a countdown.

To this day I have never had any of them complain. I do it with the intend to keep things fair, not let my regs being taken for granted and get others to participate too. The new tippers that I want to participate don't have to tip high. It can be as low as one token to keep me going. Then my regs carry the rest of it. The small goals of 100 tokens are for everyone but one token has to be done by a new tipper and 99 by regs. Most of the time we get new tippers that contribute more. So this system has worked for me.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

First thanks for all the great replies, it gives me food for thought,and I am still struggling with this.

Since I agree and/or stated the pros let me skip those and address the cons.

Reasons why not tipping for a countdown down is a bad idea.
1. A model know her room the best.
1A. It is hard to argue with Megan, a model certainly know her room better than a member.

2. It means the member is try to control the model
2A. Perhaps for some guys, but in my case and certainly other part of our motivation is to get other members to tip more.

3. Tips encourage more tips
3A. Yes they do up to a point but at some point they become counter productive. If every time a model complains about non getting tips the regulars start tipping the non-tippers know they can sit on their tokens and still enjoy a show. The whale effect is observed in many/most rooms. Several times I've been in Megan's room when she was struggling to hit countdown and the 3-5 of us who were tipping either in public chat or PM we'd ask where is Megan's Dude. I remember one time I literally had credit card in hand was preparing to buy 900 tokens and Megan's Dude appeared in Megan's room dropped a modest tip and my card when back in my wallet and I went back to making a few 10 token tips. Oh and MD I owe you for that thanks. :handgestures-salute:

4. It is easier for a model to a do single cum show than it is multiple privates or group shows.
4A. Yes, it certainly is true for the top models. Someone correct me if I am wrong but my understanding is that Streammate models typically do multiple shows and some privates. Nor do all group shows have to involve cumming. A new model (< 2months) I have been following doesn't get naked in public. To see her naked you have to join her group shows after 30 minute she'll start to finger herself. I'd say with 3,500 camscore she is doing more than alright, and she easily can do several groups a day if she quit her day job with no risk of her pussy getting sore.

5. Not counting tips doesn't really help the model
5A. I strongly disagree that non-countdown tips don't help a model, 200 tokens is $10, a point or so on the camscore, and possibly the difference between hitting your daily goal or missing it.

6. Logistically it hard to deal with tips that don't count toward countdown
6A. Yes probably so and for somebody like Jolene who I generally only tip 10 tokens a a few times a night I don't care if they get counted or not. If however, I think I am going to tip say 500 for a models with 500 Topless, 700 Naked, 1300 cumshow countdowns. My tips would 100 when the top is off 100 when she gets naked 100 at the start of the cumshow,100 during and 100 after. Probably before they even get the next topic posted.

Ultimately tips aren't just to make a model happy, they should make also make member feel happy. Now don't get me wrong, bringing a smile to pretty girl provides satisfaction, and even more fun when the scream when they get a big tip. I enjoy helping young woman who are struggling financially get by in this sucky economy and yes I get off watch hot girls cum. What ever modest satisfaction I used to get making a good size tip that finished off a countdown has long ago faded. It has now be replace with man I just spend $40 (500 tokens) to let 300 other guys watch a girl I liked get off for free, fucking freeloaders.

 

[PinkiePixi]

Ive been doing countdowns recently, but never straight ones. Its always play a game for 25 tokens, 1000 till show! And the game plays count towards it. The main incentive for most of my guys are the game prizes - if I meet the countdown, even better! But more times than not, I dont. I put the games first, otherwise (and sometimes even still), I cant get anything at all towards a countdown. Completing a 1000tk countdown for would usually take me about 2-4 hours. Guys arent likely to tip JUST for that, because they see how slowly it moves. Once the ball gets rolling though, it usually goes faster. I have one reg who has made it a habit recently of tipping my entire countdown. Usually hell do it in small bits, and try to get others to chip in too. They dont though - and I have heard at least 2 of my other regs say something along the lines of "Yay! Hes here! Show time!" or "Why cant soandso be here?!".

Its gotten to the point that once in awhile Ill PM him and tell him that he does NOT need to tip the entire countdown, or ask if theres a specific show HE wants - since hell very likely be the one paying for it. It makes me feel horrible that everyone else takes advantage of him in that way, and it sometimes even makes me feel guilty for starting countdowns since most of the time, the only times they finished are because of him. I make sure he knows that its not expected or required of him, and I have seriously considered just giving him skype shows instead of giving all of the freeloaders the show. Its wonderful of him, but makes me feel bad sometimes. Even if a few other guys threw 10tks in - it would make me feel a lot better about it all.

Tips do bring in more tips though. Even if its 10tks - its something and it gets some momentum. Of course, not always. Board clears for instance, I do them with 6 rows of 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 - and then three 50+ spots (where anything over 50 can claim). All of the spots except for like 6 of the lower ones have prizes. Even that I have a rough time playing usually, because the visual nature of the board and the pace at which it clears is a deterrent. Even if they can get the same prizes, it makes the countdown look like the bigger objective.

For me, groups arent an option. I have never done one, and I seriously doubt I could get one going even if I tried my hardest. Otherwise, I would probably be doing them. I do know that I will not do a show without meeting my countdown though, even if its 50 tokens short - if enough time has gone by and I cant get those last 50 tks, the show isnt happening. I get enough freeloaders as it is, I dont need to encourage the act of not tipping in hopes of getting a free or cheaper show. My shows are cheap enough as it is.

 

[DudeExtreme]

Yeah, and probably the ideal would be to put in a tip note, "use this however you think is best" rather than trying to dictate it.

No one who has said, "don't use this for countdown" has ever been offended when I have said "I'd really like to do the show though, so I'm going to count it anyway". I can see how this seems "controlling" of them to put in the tip note, but I feel like we're almost splitting hairs when the guys end up not caring either way what you do with it.

Does it even freaking matter how you word the tip note? Are we as camgirls getting too touchy?!? I mean, obviously the intention of the guy was to be nice, not to control you. Jeebus.

Actually, some guys purposely tip TO control the girl. They like the power.
Edit: I know a high tipper that drops bombs on many girls. He told me that once he came into a room (the guys knew him as a high tipper) and a guy PM'd him and said, "No one tip. She's getting desperate and will lower her prices and just do the show anyways." It's a sickening thought, but this does occur. Or you have the white knight tipping you to put your clothes back on (not to be silly, but to be controlling)

I remembered the one time a high tipper had you get dressed. I just thought he was trying to help you because you were having a slow night finishing the countdown. I joined in and tipped to put some sunglasses on you, but I was just being silly since your eyes are my weakness. At times, I do joke that if the guys don't help you, I will tip to put clothes on you, but so far its just me being silly.

Yes, I don't mind that at all. I am very good at realizing intentions f the tipper. I know you are not a controlling asshole and just a silly guy. It's fun to have people tip to put on clothes, other guys tip to have them off, and it go back and fourth. It's just that some guys (not you) dress girls because they think what they are doing is shameful and they want to cover them up. That's when it's wrong.

For those assholes, it is really about control and not by a righteous code of conduct. They have a control fetish. For them going into these rooms and tipping, they end up supporting MFC which will in turn supports more nudity. Those assholes don't know that as long as I can still see your face, smile, and beautiful eyes, I will come back regardless of what they do.