E-cigs/Vaping

[adorkabelle]

I buy disposable e hookah's semi-regularly.
I used to have an e-cig, but I'm lazy. Sooo these are easier. It says it's good for 600 puffs and I believe it. The last one lasted me about 6 months. But then I only occasionally smoke.

I do want an e-pipe, but really only because I think they look cool.

 

[Jupiter551]

Not sure if you knew but I too am a vaper :mrgreen:
I've ordered most of my liquids through tastyvapor.us, my favourite is one called Geoff's Blend which is a kind of cinnamon/juicy fruit gum type thing, sounds weird but it's fantastic!

I also have German Chocolate Cake, Brownies, Bananas Foster, Banana Cream Pie, Coconut Cream Pie, Lemon Tart, Chocolate Covered Cherry, Cafe Mocha, Caramel Macchiato, Rainbow Sherbet, Atomic Cinnacide, Butter Rum, Vanilla, Cherry Cola, Chai, Tiger's Blood, Pixie Dust, Blueberry, Blackcurrent, Melon, and a bunch of Camel/Marlboro/Mild 7 type tobacco flavours.

Also Tastyvapor lets you pick up to three flavourings to combine in your own mixtures, so far I've got one that's Cherry/Caramel/Coconut and one that's Dark Chocolate/Jamaican Rum/Coffee.


Throat hit - the problem is not the liquid, it's the Ego. Egos are a great starter e-cig but they run at only about 2.7v. My Provari runs from 3-6v depending on how I set it. Basically I can adjust it depending on the flavour and how much throat I want. I believe Joye just came out with a variable voltage e-cig too that is a bit cheaper than the provari http://www.joyetech.com/product/eVic.php.

Lastly, you'll notice on e-juice there will be listed PG/VG ratio. This is the base liquid that the flavour and nicotine is suspended in. PG offers more throat hit, VG offers more vapour (and is also thicker, more viscous). Some places will allow you to specify the PG/VG ratio you prefer (tastyvapor does), 80/20 is the most common ratio used, but some people prefer 60/40, 90/10 or even 100% PG. Takes a bit of trial and error to figure out what you like.

 

[Jupiter551]

Not sure if you knew but I too am a vaper :mrgreen:
I've ordered most of my liquids through tastyvapor.us, my favourite is one called Geoff's Blend which is a kind of cinnamon/juicy fruit gum type thing, sounds weird but it's fantastic!

I also have German Chocolate Cake, Brownies, Bananas Foster, Banana Cream Pie, Coconut Cream Pie, Lemon Tart, Chocolate Covered Cherry, Cafe Mocha, Caramel Macchiato, Rainbow Sherbet, Atomic Cinnacide, Butter Rum, Vanilla, Cherry Cola, Chai, Tiger's Blood, Pixie Dust, Blueberry, Blackcurrent, Melon, and a bunch of Camel/Marlboro/Mild 7 type tobacco flavours.

Also Tastyvapor lets you pick up to three flavourings to combine in your own mixtures, so far I've got one that's Cherry/Caramel/Coconut and one that's Dark Chocolate/Jamaican Rum/Coffee.


Throat hit - the problem is not the liquid, it's the Ego. Egos are a great starter e-cig but they run at only about 2.7v. My Provari runs from 3-6v depending on how I set it. Basically I can adjust it depending on the flavour and how much throat I want. I believe Joye just came out with a variable voltage e-cig too that is a bit cheaper than the provari http://www.joyetech.com/product/eVic.php.

Lastly, you'll notice on e-juice there will be listed PG/VG ratio. This is the base liquid that the flavour and nicotine is suspended in. PG offers more throat hit, VG offers more vapour (and is also thicker, more viscous). Some places will allow you to specify the PG/VG ratio you prefer (tastyvapor does), 80/20 is the most common ratio used, but some people prefer 60/40, 90/10 or even 100% PG. Takes a bit of trial and error to figure out what you like.

Ahh, this stuff is 70/30. I wondered what difference that made! Thank you for that, and i am going to go check out the adjustable...right meow!

You can also buy bottles of PG and VG (flavourless, no nicotine) to self adjust mixes, they're cheap any ecig place will sell them.

 

[Jupiter551]

I worry that I might poison myself. I already get super paranoid when the liquid touches my skin. See viewtopic.php?f=12&t=11138

Well you definitely won't poison yourself from nicotine free eliquid of any kind - the flavourings and liquids are commonly used in food. Nicotine itself IS poisonous but unless you drink a bottle of it you'll be fine, I promise. I spilled almost an entire bottle of concentrated nicotine liquid 48mg on my hands (the nozzle popped off as I was mixing it with doubler) and the worst consequence was a) losing the liquid and b) constantly having to chase my cat away from wanting to investigate as I cleaned up.

 

[Jupiter551]

How do you know what you end up with as far as the nicotine levels?

When mixing? if I have 48mg concentrate, I fill bottle 1/4 with nicotine liquid, rest with nicotine free, so mixed together it's 12mg (25% of 48mg). 16mg mix would be one third nic, 2 thirds doubler, 6mg 1 part nicotine 7 parts doubler etc.
If you want to measure out a slightly non-standard amount syringes can be helpful to measure.

 

[uhohtrouble]

This is a great thread I have been thinking about getting my roomie and I one so she can start smoking and I don't start again.

 

[Jupiter551]

just ordered one of these rebuildable tank/atomisers for my provari, I can't wait :hello1:

 

[TashaDutch]

just ordered one of these rebuildable tank/atomisers for my provari, I can't wait :hello1:

couldn't help hearing...


haha omg like in every other sentence
i know that wasn't the point... but mkay

ok.. on topic i have one of these http://www.utvgecig.com/flavor_vapes.html
and after having a really sucky one.. i really like it... but i'm fucking weak.. i can't get rid of my tabacco craving

 

[Bocefish]

That dude inhales for like 9 seconds. :? Is that normal to get a good hit?

I'm intrigued though. I've only just started experimenting with e-cigs and seems like I cough up the disgusting liquid nicotine every so often. I also have to draw really hard to get a good hit which quickly heats up the liquid nicotine and burns it sometimes which results in a crappy burned flavor.

Thanks for all the posts and info so far which I haven't completely read, so holding off on probably redundant questions.

 

[Jupiter551]

That dude inhales for like 9 seconds. :? Is that normal to get a good hit?

Depends what he has his voltage set at, how he's positioned the air hole I guess, and with that z-atty the guy that makes them recommends a slow draw. I'm currently using the same PV with a different tank and I just tested I quite comfortably draw for 7 or 8 seconds sometimes - it probably just tastes really fing good lol.

Getting a mouthful of ejuice sucks, which is why I moved to a tank system - I've never had that issue since and I switched about 6 months ago, these things:

this is what I currently run, the provari (the bottom part) is amazing. It's pricey but as you can see from my sig, even after buying that, 4 liquinators, and spending $$ a week on e-juice and cartomizers I'm still saving about $100/month (I broke even in mid september).

 

[Jupiter551]

oh and as for not getting a decent hit or burned flavour, all I can say is something like the provari is to e-cigs as a disposable camera is to like a high end DSLR, ie you get more flavour, more hit, and it doesn't burn.

 

[TashaDutch]

That dude inhales for like 9 seconds. :? Is that normal to get a good hit?

I'm intrigued though. I've only just started experimenting with e-cigs and seems like I cough up the disgusting liquid nicotine every so often. I also have to draw really hard to get a good hit which quickly heats up the liquid nicotine and burns it sometimes which results in a crappy burned flavor.

Thanks for all the posts and info so far which I haven't completely read, so holding off on probably redundant questions.

that's what suprised my about the one i have... i don't have to do all kinds of difficult shit.. and it still smokes decent, even made me cough the first time :shock:
and i can trow it out when it's done.. i like that

 

[Bocefish]

Looking for starter kit recommendations, preferably in the U.S. I'm not planning on quitting for a while, but sick of tobacco cigs, the carcinogens and all the other nasty crap associated with them. Pros and cons about what you use would be helpful too.

The Provari is leading the list so far, just not sure which way to go.

 

[Jupiter551]

Looking for starter kit recommendations, preferably in the U.S. I'm not planning on quitting for a while, but sick of tobacco cigs, the carcinogens and all the other nasty crap associated with them. Pros and cons about what you use would be helpful too.

The Provari is leading the list so far, just not sure which way to go.

If you can afford the initial outlay, it will save you money over time. It's extremely solid (stainless steel in fact), easy to use and the only way to understand why it truly is so good is to take a puff. You can get an optional endcap for another $20 that allows you to use larger batteries for extended time but these last for 6 hours and charge back up in less than 1 so I don't bother with the endcap. I always have one battery charged long before the one in the PV is empty. If you get the endcap you want to select the 18650 battery, otherwise the 18490.
http://www.provape.com/ProVari-Variable-Voltage-p/provaristarter.htm
Just read the customer reviews below the product.


What you attach to the provari is a different kettle of fish, as I said above I use a tank, and the rebuildable tank/atty above I mentioned is arriving today, but all you really need to start is a base unit (ie the Provari) and a couple packs of these http://www.madvapes.com/boge-refillable-510-cartomizers-3-2-ohm.html (pack of 5, $7.99, these are the same as the pack of 5 in the provari starter kit) they;re disposable, each one should last you at least two days some people seem to get longer out of them but I prefer to taste the flavour, then grab some eliquid and your only ongoing costs are liquid and cartomizers.

You'll also want one of these, basically a mouthpiece that slots on the end of the carto http://www.madvapes.com/pv-parts/dripper-tips/510-808-901.html

I get my liquid shipped over from http://www.tastyvapor.us but the choices are virtually endless.

How you fill cartos

 

[Jupiter551]

I just got my Z-atty pro and it is amazing, will have to mix my juice a little softer though because it really vaporises it well, strong throat hit, strong flavour

 

[Jupiter551]

for sure

 

[Jessi]

I'm kinda lost and don't know where to start. All I know is I want something

- Refillable
- Rechargeable
- Non-nicotine flavors available
-small enough to put in my pocket

I think I'd like to have one smokey-thing and swap different flavoured cartridges (?) out when I wanted.

I stopped smoking after high school but I have horrible chewing/eating/nail biting habits and I ALWAYS want something in my mouth (HURR HURR DURR). Ive found the disposable ones from the drugstore really enjoyable but they only last me a day and you can only get a good drag off them at the beginning

I'm looking at these ones:

http://www.ecigcharleston.com/Vision-Sp ... ack-kt.htm
This one looks neat: http://www.blucigs.com/premium100-starter-kits
http://www.pandaecigs.com/Electronic-ci ... s-s/21.htm
http://esmokercanada.com/e-cigarette-st ... tarter-kit

I really have no idea

 

[Spiceworks]

I'm kinda lost and don't know where to start. All I know is I want something

- Refillable
- Rechargeable
- Non-nicotine flavors available
-small enough to put in my pocket

I think I'd like to have one smokey-thing and swap different flavoured cartridges (?) out when I wanted.

I stopped smoking after high school but I have horrible chewing/eating/nail biting habits and I ALWAYS want something in my mouth (HURR HURR DURR). Ive found the disposable ones from the drugstore really enjoyable but they only last me a day and you can only get a good drag off them at the beginning

I'm looking at these ones:

http://www.ecigcharleston.com/Vision-Sp ... ack-kt.htm
This one looks neat: http://www.blucigs.com/premium100-starter-kits
http://www.pandaecigs.com/Electronic-ci ... s-s/21.htm
http://esmokercanada.com/e-cigarette-st ... tarter-kit

I really have no idea

This is going to sound a lot like Jupiters opinion from before but here it is anyway....

http://www.provape.com/ProVari-Variable ... tarter.htm

That is the full size provari, I would take that kit and use it for what you need and get a provari mini instead of the full size. It is more pocket sized.

I started vaping with a starter kit from a company called K2 and I thought it was pretty good, I had no clue what I was missing. After being annoyed at battery limitations of the cigarette look alikes I did some research and went with a Provari for my next purchase, I haven't looked back. I am now a year analog free(real cigs). I own a full size and mini, and just purchased another mini and 2 z-atty-pro v2.1 Wednesday.

I get my juice from http://www.tastyvapor.us they just came out with tropical punch which is just like vaping Kool-Aid.

You will regret spending money on a cheapo starter kit.

For tanks or cartomizers I would start with something like this and decide how you want to go.
http://www.myvaporstore.com/MINI_Vision ... s-mvnp.htm or http://www.myvaporstore.com/510_Boge_Ca ... 10bgct.htm

 

[Jessi]

Are all the cigarette style ones bad? I will admit I like the aesthetic of the long skinny ones.

 

[rexcode]

Are all the cigarette style ones bad? I will admit I like the aesthetic of the long skinny ones.

I'm really happy with my KR808D1, which is skinny like a regular cigarette. It's cheap, too... the starter kit with two rechargeable batteries, a charger, and 6 prefilled cartridges is only $30. I've tried both the automatic and the pushbutton batteries, and they are both fine but I do like the automatic (draw activated) ones the best. The carts that come with the kit do have nicotine, but you can also buy blanks and fill with zero-nic juice. I like the PG based import solution. I've tried VG based juice and it doesn't produce as much vapor and tends to clog the carts faster. Lately I've been cutting back on my nicotine by adding fruit punch flavored zero-nic juice and tobacco flavored medium strength juice in various ratios.

I get my stuff at http://myvaporstore.com. They have among the best prices, and ship fast. Also (and I have no affiliation with them other than being a satisfied customer), you can get 5% off your order with coupon code 5ecf.

If you decide to go with the KR808D1, this easy refill trick works great: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUIyIKISGJc

Whatever you get will beat old-fashioned combustibles, that's for sure! Enjoy!

 

[Jupiter551]

I get my juice from http://www.tastyvapor.us they just came out with tropical punch which is just like vaping Kool-Aid.

Nice I will have to try that. I order most of my stuff from tastyvapor, their rainbow sherbet is really good and sounds kinda similar to that. I wish they'd bring back Geoff's Blend.

Jessi, for the size you want and as a starter kit I'd just get a 5 pack of those refillables I linked you on twitter, then whatever battery you like - probly an Ego 510 battery from an Ego-T or something to start with. Get a mouthpiece and some juice and you're good to go for probly about $25

 

[LilianaXO]

Bumping because I need help choosing an electronic cigarette! I have no idea what I'm doing

*I've been smoking for 10 years, about a pack a day and I smoke Camel Turkish Silvers.
*I'm looking for something like a starter kit, that's affordable. I'm ballin on a budget! :lol:
*The V2 is attractive because they have a "Sahara" flavor that I heard is similar to the Camels I smoke now.http://www.v2cigs.com/products/electronic-cigarette-kits#.UesaOI3rzVo
*I'm wanting to get an e-cig that looks like a traditional cigarette, but the Volcano Inferno in pink looks really cool and they have TONS of flavors http://www.volcanoecigs.com/inferno-kit.html
*Are all liquid refills universal?

ANY advice on which starter kits are the best will help me out in my search! ray:

 

[rexcode]

Bumping because I need help choosing an electronic cigarette! I have no idea what I'm doing

*I've been smoking for 10 years, about a pack a day and I smoke Camel Turkish Silvers.
*I'm looking for something like a starter kit, that's affordable. I'm ballin on a budget! :lol:
*The V2 is attractive because they have a "Sahara" flavor that I heard is similar to the Camels I smoke now.http://www.v2cigs.com/products/electronic-cigarette-kits#.UesaOI3rzVo

I started with V2. Then I found out it was KR808D1, rebranded, and sold for quite a bit more than most places sell it for (see my previous post). The Sahara flavor is good, but I don't think it tastes much like a Camel. I smoked Camel Lights (box version) for years. It has a kind of hazelnut undertone to it, not really a pure tobacco flavor. Unfortunately, I've never found any ecig that tastes like a Camel. You're really lucky if you can find something that tastes like a genuine cigarette that not your (or anyone else's) real brand.

The myvaporstore Kent prefilled KR808D1 carts are good. More like a real cigarette than V2's Sahara (and 30% cheaper).

*I'm wanting to get an e-cig that looks like a traditional cigarette, but the Volcano Inferno in pink looks really cool and they have TONS of flavors http://www.volcanoecigs.com/inferno-kit.html

Looks interesting! I'm not sure I'd recommend that as a starter ecig, though. Even if you move up to it, it's nice to have a cheaper ecig system for out and about. If you lose it somewhere, it won't be too painful. Also, the tank systems sometimes leak if they aren't kept upright and are better used at home for that reason.

*Are all liquid refills universal?

Yes. If the cart/tank can be refilled, any liquid brand will work. On that note, the Joytech Tobacco liquid is the closest I've found to a real cigarette.

ANY advice on which starter kits are the best will help me out in my search! ray:

See my previous post. I recommend the KR808D1 basic starter kit, which comes with two batteries, a charger system, and a random pack of prefilled carts. It's only 30 bucks. Probably I'd pick up a couple more 5 packs of carts at the same time ($7.50 a pack), maybe some liquid (I think the import PG is better than the US VG from there), and maybe an 808 compatible "drip tip"... makes it a little nicer to vape out of.

Hope this information is helpful. Enjoy!

 

[LilianaXO]

Bumping this wonderful thread, yet again! :lol:

I had my KR808D1 for about 7 months and it was a great inexpensive starter kit, but it has gone to heaven now and I'm wanting to upgrade! http://www.myvaporstore.com/KR808D1_Starter_Kit_AUTO_Switch_p/kr808d1-ka.htm

I have a plethora of e-juice from http://www.tastyvapor.us/ and am currently satisfied on that front, but nothing to put it in anymore! *I go for the traditional 80/20 non tobacco blends, currently on a vanilla kick*

Here's a list of things to help me choose a device:

*I'm looking for a tank style this go around, but want a "pen style" e-cig as I'm still learning and I find them more attractive and easier to carry around. (tired of cartridges too)
*I also have no idea about voltages or wattages, if that helps any experienced vapors with my quest.
*I smoke a pack of cigarettes a day and am wanting to replace half of that with e-cigs, to start.
*I like to smoke my e-cig while camming to minimize chain smoking (because I'm known to do it)
*I am looking to spend around $100 for start up kit + accessories.
*With my price point in mind, I am looking for something that'll last at least a year.
*I have no idea about tank styles except that they are 3 piece systems as opposed to the 2 piece I'm used to, so I don't know what upkeep or replacement parts will be needed.
*I'm looking for something that isn't known to leak, I heard tanks tend to.
*I vape mostly from home, but I am able to take an e-cig out and keep it upright because my purse is awesome.
*Long battery life, at least longer than my KR808D1 had!
*I want something that produces good vapor AND throat hit, mostly vapor production.
*Elegance. I want something pretty.

~I know I won't be getting this as the reviews are horrible, but this is quite elegant looking (to give an idea): http://www.ploom.com/modeltwo/

~Still kinda stuck on this because it looks pretty (pink and purple!) and seems to have what I'm looking for. I haven't looked at too many reviews though: http://www.volcanoecigs.com/inferno-kit.html

Any advice is appreciated! :text-thankyoublue:

 

[Jupiter551]

I have a plethora of e-juice from http://www.tastyvapor.us/ and am currently satisfied on that front, but nothing to put it in anymore! *I go for the traditional 80/20 non tobacco blends, currently on a vanilla kick*

agree, I really liked their juices too when I vaped I have a bunch left over now. And yeah their Ultimate Vanilla is great

 

[RosalieDay]

Ooh I love e-cigs. I recommend Joyetech.

Mine is a battery and atomizer, two pieces.

Doesn't leak unless I fill it up too much, even then it's incredibly rare. They have an option to turn them on/off as well, which is nifty so you don't accidentally hold the button down while in a pocket or purse (experience with that )

I can charge the battery using the USB cord plugged into my laptop and vape at the same time, and it charges fast. The USB charger is included in most of the kits. The batteries, when fully charged, will last me more than a day and I chain vape. And my battery hasn't bitten the dust yet.

The atomizer I replace every few months, which is good considering that last brand I used, I was needing a new one every couple weeks. So the upkeep on accessories is really liquid and atomizer.

The atomizer's they have are not a cartridges, but a clearomizer type. You fill it up, vape until it gets low on juice, and repeat.

They have different size batteries, pen/slender size or gigantic tank size, so there are a lot of options.

I don't know about wattage or voltage, I'm no help there.

I absolutely will not use an e-cig if I don't get a lot of vape or feel it in my throat. Joyetech has satisfied both of those needs.

They have a range of colors, but I don't see them on the actual website. I do have a purple one with a matching purple atomizer, but I bought mine in a local vape shop.

Do you have a vape store near you? I would say going in and take a look and even talking to the people who work there, see if they have a selection of Joyetech. Also, I spent about 80 bucks for two batteries kits (battery, charger) and two atomizers, but on the website it seems a bit more pricey. But in the end they are worth it because they work well and last a long time.

Hope you can take something away from what I've written

 

[Jupiter551]

I got a joyetech starter kit when I started - for a heavy/smoker that enjoys smoking I would say sure go ahead and get a starter kit like that but I won't be surprised if you upgrade to something with more oomph before long. That said it's not a bad buy and you do have to try stuff before you can figure out how you'd like it.
One of the best things about vaping, and also one of the most difficult, is that everyone would like their perfect smoke a little different from how others would - and vaping can give you your perfect "smoke" experience, even better than a cigarette ever did, but it takes a measure of trial and error to get it that way.

Technology of course exists now whereby if you wanted to vaporise loose-leaf tobacco you could. I think it would be more expensive than vaping liquid nicotine, but I have two vaporisers - and there are several more around - that would vaporize the nicotine in tobacco simply by blowing hot air through it at a high enough temperature.

Both the volcano for plug-in home use and the rechargable, hand-held pax by ploom will vaporize tobacco efficiently and safely (and cannabis, and tea or in fact any herb with an active ingredient released by heat).

 

[Sevrin]

You can buy e-cigarettes here in Canada, but you can't use nicotine with them. I'm sure that it wouldn't be that hard to find black-market ones, but I haven't looked into that option yet.

I quit smoking a couple of weeks ago and bought a disposable e-cig for S&G just to see. It was only $10, and the experience has been predictably underwhelming. If anything, I found it more irritating than inhaling smoke, but that was probably because you had to inhale so deeply to get any kind of sensation. Without nicotine, there was very little point, in any event.

Technology of course exists now whereby if you wanted to vaporise loose-leaf tobacco you could. I think it would be more expensive than vaping liquid nicotine, but I have two vaporisers - and there are several more around - that would vaporize the nicotine in tobacco simply by blowing hot air through it at a high enough temperature.

Vaporising tobacco sounds a lot like approaching the result of burning tobacco outright. I don't see how you can heat the nicotine in tobacco to a sufficiently high temperature without also heating all those other substances you quit smoking to avoid.

 

[LilianaXO]

hand-held pax by ploom will vaporize tobacco efficiently and safely (and cannabis, and tea or in fact any herb with an active ingredient released by heat).

I'll be getting the Ploom for a cannabis smoking friend as a birthday present in a few months!

I think since the Joytech and Volcano Inferno are basically the same thing, I'm going to go ahead and get the Inferno. It's a step up from the KR808D1 and I'm still learning. Plus, IT'S PURPLE! :lol:

 

[Jupiter551]

Vaporising tobacco sounds a lot like approaching the result of burning tobacco outright. I don't see how you can heat the nicotine in tobacco to a sufficiently high temperature without also heating all those other substances you quit smoking to avoid.

Not really. Basically it's the concept that very hot air will vaporize active ingredients in plant matter long before the point of combustion.

There's no comparison, one combusts, the other doesn't. One leaves ash as remains, the other will just leave the plant matter, but dried through and essentially air-roasted. Takes the chemical (nicotine) out and leaves the vegetable matter behind, thereby avoiding the tar that is in the smoke of burned tobacco, the burned carbon that is carcinogenic.