drugs should be legal (rant)

[mynameisbob84]

I take various drugs as and when the mood takes me. Not often but sometimes.
The problem isn't drugs, it's idiots. Idiots let it rule their lives. Make idiots illegal.

Drug addiction can befall a person for any one of a vast number of reasons (or a whole batch of reasons). To say that only idiots can become addicted to something is a wee bit ignorant, yo.

 

[Red7227]

Go spend a week in a methadone clinic and try to say the things you've said. You might have nightmares for a few years after that but I promise you will learn a lot about how fragile human beings really are.

Try holding someone for 19 hours when she is having a bad day. I know ex junkies and i know what is involved in kicking it. I also work with a guy who predominantly smoked dope for his whole life. He can't even turn on a computer without help.

Everyone's addiction levels are different, just like tolerances. To say that anyone with an addiction is a moron, is beyond ignorant.

I'd be fine with weed and some other class B & C drugs decriminalized, but heroine, cocaine & meth are too addictive & dangerous IMO, not to mention everyone reacts to them differently.

:twocents-02cents:

Its funny you know, but I have seen that exact same chart with all those spots in different locations. And anyone with an addition is a moron. Take drugs because everyone else is? you are a moron, get addicted to pain killers? also a moron. I'm going to be dead within a decade because of chronic pain, probably a lot sooner than that. I'm not going to die addicted to anything, I'm going to die when and how it suits me.

 

[Bocefish]

Nice to see you have such an open mind. There are days that pain killers allow me and millions of others to function, I'm far from addicted to them. Humans shoot animals to end their pain if they're terminally suffering. Everybody is different, many would consider you to be a total fool to be so afraid of getting addicted to pain meds. Just because people have different addictive tendencies or may be genetically predisposed to an addiction does not make them morons anymore than having a mental illness does.

 

[Just_mark__]

clearly you guys mix with a better class of drug addict than im forced to.
Very few seem to get over it and strength to the arm of anyone who does.
Education in the first place is what seems to be lacking

 

[Mirra]

"Education" of the sort that might have any effect would be frowned upon by many parents seeking to "protect" their children. The kind of education that is provided is more like some sort of cutesy bullshit or a pep rally with drug awareness as the rousing cry. The problem is most kids do not KNOW how terrible drug addiction is until they've already taken the first steps towards other controlled substances. They likely tell themselves it's not going to happen to them with a fool's confidence.

My friend who became addicted to morphine found it and other opiates to be a much more effective escape from life than the alcohol he had originally used to forget the things that he didn't want to think about. The alcohol, I'm sad to say, that he had started drinking heavily near the end of middle school. I can't imagine what he felt he needed to escape from so desperately at that age but there it is all the same.

 

[Bocefish]

Chicago is the heroin capital of the USA and the dealers get everyone, including the more affluent suburb kids hooked by passing out free samples... All it takes is trying it once in a weakened state of mind to get addicted for some people.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=733_1298415410

 

[JickyJuly]

Go spend a week in a methadone clinic and try to say the things you've said. You might have nightmares for a few years after that but I promise you will learn a lot about how fragile human beings really are.

Try holding someone for 19 hours when she is having a bad day. I know ex junkies and i know what is involved in kicking it. I also work with a guy who predominantly smoked dope for his whole life. He can't even turn on a computer without help.

I'm not going to wade in too far because I think Jolene and Cassie touched on everything enough for you to get it, but I think you are confusing helping someone through the withdrawals of heroin and getting clean. Withdrawals stop. Addiction is a forever battle. My husband has been clean for over 5 years now, and still has days that are a struggle. It took him 2 times to get hooked and there's no amount of time that will pass and stop the craving completely. I'm also not sure how the inexpensive nature or heroin would be a positive to anyone? We spend substantially more on doctors, prescriptions and counselors even with insurance to fight his addiction than he'd spend on the actual drug. Did I misunderstand or do you really find that the cost of recovery being more expensive than the cost of drugging to be a good thing?

 

[RogueWarrior]

There is SO much fallacy & fantasy & misinformation in this thread. Not enough time.

Going to play the word game.

 

[AedanRayne]

:violence-hammer: ukeright: :angryfire: :argue: :angry-screaming: :angry-banghead:

 

[AllisonWilder]

I wrote a really lengthy reply to this thread, but deleted it because I don't want to argue. Opinions will always differ and I don't suppose that my post detailing my addiction struggles and other such things will sway anyone's opinion.

However, not everyone that gets addicted to something is a moron. Actually, that's a pretty moronic statement, if you ask me.

 

[LadyLuna]

I am not a moron, and I got addicted to roleplaying. I mean to the point where without it I started hallucinating and got the shakes. So yes, actually addicted.

Then again, perhaps I am a moron, for quoting instead of embedding the youtube video. x.x So here's another shot at it:



My understanding of the dangers of drug use are such:

1. overdosing
2. bad cuts
3. cost of continuing leading to crime

Now, I could be wrong on the dangers. But if those are indeed the dangers that drug users face, which of these would not be alleviated by legalizing and regulating the drug industry?

 

[spikyhaired]

There's a fine line between legalizing and decriminalizing drugs. It's time to recognize the difference.

This.

Most dangerous drugs are simply toxic compounds the consumption of which happens to produce "pleasurable" sensations in the user. I'm sure huffing chlorine might feel good for 0.1 seconds before it dry cleans the idiot's lungs.

My $0.02 is that we should decriminalize use and spend a fraction of the funds we spend on prosecution and incarceration on educating people that drugs kill.

As for drug dealers, I don't think we need to specifically criminalize each substance and try to maintain an onerous set of laws to prosecute those who push them. If a dealer tells someone it is safe to consume a toxic substance, or if he engages in conspiracy to distribute and falsely advertise such a substance, it seems to me we already have (non-drug) laws that would cover such crimes.

It seems to me there should be a rational way to remove the FUD from the political discussion of drug sales and use and focus our efforts on prevention instead of prosecution.

 

[AllisonWilder]

I am not a moron, and I got addicted to roleplaying. I mean to the point where without it I started hallucinating and got the shakes. So yes, actually addicted.

Then again, perhaps I am a moron, for quoting instead of embedding the youtube video. x.x So here's another shot at it:



My understanding of the dangers of drug use are such:

1. overdosing
2. bad cuts
3. cost of continuing leading to crime

Now, I could be wrong on the dangers. But if those are indeed the dangers that drug users face, which of these would not be alleviated by legalizing and regulating the drug industry?

Overdosing wouldn't be alleviated by legalizing and regulating drugs. It would probably help some, but it would never take away the problem. Prescription pills are legal, but just because you have a prescription and the instructions for use on the bottle, doesn't mean it's going to stop someone from taking 3 instead of 2 or from shoveling the whole bottle in your mouth or from dangerous drug interactions if someone doesn't say that they're taking something else when talking with a doctor. Same would probably go for just about everything else out there, too, I would think.

 

[LailaBaise]

 

[Poker_Babe]

Don't suppose anyone could tell me who is "make", "doesn't", and "them"? I was able to figure out everyone else in the pictures, but it's gonna drive me nuts until the others are revealed.

 

[Nordling]

Janis Joplin, Judy Garland and Kurt Cobain.

 

[Poker_Babe]

Janis Joplin, Judy Garland and Kurt Cobain.

Sorry, I meant the first "make". I recognized Kurt

 

[Nordling]

I looked at them from the bottom up. lol Yeah, I'm strange. Billie Holiday.

 

[LadyLuna]

My understanding of the dangers of drug use are such:

1. overdosing
2. bad cuts
3. cost of continuing leading to crime

Now, I could be wrong on the dangers. But if those are indeed the dangers that drug users face, which of these would not be alleviated by legalizing and regulating the drug industry?

Overdosing wouldn't be alleviated by legalizing and regulating drugs. It would probably help some, but it would never take away the problem. Prescription pills are legal, but just because you have a prescription and the instructions for use on the bottle, doesn't mean it's going to stop someone from taking 3 instead of 2 or from shoveling the whole bottle in your mouth or from dangerous drug interactions if someone doesn't say that they're taking something else when talking with a doctor. Same would probably go for just about everything else out there, too, I would think.

What about accidental overdosing from having a better cut than expected? That would certainly be eliminated by regulation.

 

[Anonymous]

And anyone with an addition is a moron. Take drugs because everyone else is? you are a moron, get addicted to pain killers? also a moron.

Wow, what a terrible thing to say.

And it's 'addiction'...not 'addition'. :whistle:

 

[Poker_Babe]

And anyone with an addition is a moron. Take drugs because everyone else is? you are a moron, get addicted to pain killers? also a moron.

Wow, what a terrible thing to say.

And it's 'addiction'...not 'addition'. :whistle:

People who have never struggled with an addiction, will never understand it. I've lived with drug addicts, alcoholics, compulsive gamblers, and even people with eating disorders. It's not a matter of being a moron, it's a matter of being sick and needing treatment. People who struggle with addiction should stop being looked down on and treated as criminals, and start being given the same compassion that you would give to any other sick person in need of medical treatment.
If a person steals to support their habit and gets caught stealing, then put that person in jail for stealing. But don't put a person in jail because they put drugs in their body. I thought this was America, so don't we own our bodies??? If you don't have the right to do what you want to your own body, that means technically someone else owns it. Ask yourself this... What are you, if you don't own yourself, but someone else does??? Yeah, isn't slavery illegal???
Women have the right by law to get an abortion all the way up into her 9th month of pregnancy here in America, under the argument of "it's my body, my choice". So why do you think abortion is legal but being able to put whatever you want into your own body isn't??? I'll tell you why, it's because keeping this ever failing "War on Drugs" is serving interests of a corrupt system run by the "Powers that Be". It works out perfect for a fascist state. Think about it... It's an un-winnable war for one. Then we fill up our prisons so the warden gets his very own indentured servants (or should I say Slave Labor) who only get paid anywhere from 8-50 cents an hour (unless your risking your life fighting fires, then you get a whole dollar an hour). And not to mention that felons don't get the right to vote either (just another food for thought). The list of interests this phony "war on drugs" serves and who's pockets it fills goes on and on.... ugh, I better stop myself now before this turns into an even bigger rant.

 

[AllisonWilder]

My understanding of the dangers of drug use are such:

1. overdosing
2. bad cuts
3. cost of continuing leading to crime

Now, I could be wrong on the dangers. But if those are indeed the dangers that drug users face, which of these would not be alleviated by legalizing and regulating the drug industry?

Overdosing wouldn't be alleviated by legalizing and regulating drugs. It would probably help some, but it would never take away the problem. Prescription pills are legal, but just because you have a prescription and the instructions for use on the bottle, doesn't mean it's going to stop someone from taking 3 instead of 2 or from shoveling the whole bottle in your mouth or from dangerous drug interactions if someone doesn't say that they're taking something else when talking with a doctor. Same would probably go for just about everything else out there, too, I would think.

What about accidental overdosing from having a better cut than expected? That would certainly be eliminated by regulation.

That's why I said it would probably help it some. Regulating it would help that aspect of it, but probably not the rest.

(I'm no expert by any means and I'm not educated enough about drugs/usage other than my own personal experiences to debate anything, this is just my opinion.)

 

[CassieRamone]

instead of more :angry4: i will post some things from the book i am currently reading that are making my brain/heart/head/experience/reality feel better/not explode. just some nom for

"Wouldn't you like to have a magic phrase that would stop arguments, eliminate ill feeling, create good will, and make the other person listen attentively? Yes? All right. Here it is: 'I don't blame you one iota for feeling as you do. If I were you I would undoubtedly feel just as you do.'"

"There is a reason why the other man thinks and acts as he does. Ferret out that reason - and you have the key to his actions, perhaps to his personality. Try honestly to put yourself in his place."

"The unvarnished truth is that almost all the people you meet feel themselves superior to you in some way, and a sure way to their hearts is to let them realize in some subtle way that you recognize their importance, and recognize it sincerely."

"There's magic, positive magic, in such phrases as: "I may be wrong. I frequently am. Let's examine the facts."

"When dealing with people, let us remember we are not dealing with creatures of logic. We are dealing with creatures of emotion, creatures bristling with prejudices and motivated by pride and vanity."

ray: that i can keep my mouth shut and not come check this thread out again. to each his own. :thumbleft:

 

[Red7227]

I am not a moron, and I got addicted to roleplaying. I mean to the point where without it I started hallucinating and got the shakes. So yes, actually addicted.

Then again, perhaps I am a moron, for quoting instead of embedding the youtube video. x.x So here's another shot at it:

There are a lot of different additions. Some you drift into, which then become embedded OCD behaviours that can be very hard to break. I am predisposed to OCD behaviour and have been trapped into that for a lot for things as stupid as a particular kind of simmer sauce to computer games. Illegal drugs are usually bad decisions made under peer pressure, that only education is going to help with. Prescription drugs are more the realm of the moron. I'm managing chronic pain with a range of different pain killers rotated regularly and used in moderation. I went over to a stoner junkie's friends place (he is in his 30s)about 3 weeks ago who manages his heroin and weed usage the same way. I also have a friend at work who's mother is in and out of jail because she can't manage her pain and is addicted to all kinds of legal and illegal drugs. I will note that apart from the addiction, his mother is as dumb as a box of hammers.

Different people have different tolerances and degrees of self control. It is the less educated that suffer more for their addictions because they are less aware of the help and solutions that can make controlling their addition possible.

 

[Rileyster]

... Not all people that take prescription pills and are addicted to it are not morons either. :roll:

 

[Bocefish]

Red's expansive medical knowledge on the subject explains a bit more about who he mistakenly describes as morons.

 

[Bocefish]

This drug is legal in many states.... and EXTREMELY addictive.

 

[LadyLuna]

Different people have different tolerances and degrees of self control. It is the less educated that suffer more for their addictions because they are less aware of the help and solutions that can make controlling their addition possible.

Ignorance and stupidity are not the same thing. Do not make the mistake of calling someone a moron just because they haven't had the same educational opportunities you did. I will admit that people who have the option but refuse to become educated are morons, but anyone without knowledge will suffer just as much as anyone else without knowledge, whether that lack of knowledge was due to circumstances or stubbornness.

To restate- the less educated that you mention fall under two categories- morons and unfortunate. Lumping the unfortunate in with the morons is wrong.

 

[Mirra]

Ignorance and stupidity are not the same thing.

I saw a sign once that basically said "Stupidity is being content to be ignorant."

 

[Poker_Babe]

This drug is legal in many states.... and EXTREMELY addictive.

Yeah I really don't know much about this. Actually, until I saw these videos, I never even knew this method of getting high existed. But I don't know... that second video seems to me like a total propaganda piece using classic fear monger tactics. I mean the way they are trying to say the man who was eating the other guy's face, was doing so because he was most likely high on bath salts; but then never give a reason why bath salts are the suspected cause in the first place... That was probably the biggest red flag I noticed.