Where do you cam? How long have you been camming and how much do you make?

[MarieElise]

4. I work for a studio and will never stream privately, as I was homeless ~2 months ago, and the studio helped me out until i got settled with accommodation again, etc. And they are very helpful and friendly, and i have a gratitude towards them / etc etc.. How much the studio takes is a bit of a sliding scale. More i earn less the studio takes % wise.

That's a loyal person. I can relate to that. That's the same as why I exclusively stream SM. They were there for me for the toughest part of my cam career, when I didn't make much, and didn't know if I ever would. They always came through for me, so I'd never stream anywhere else. Not a lot of people are that loyal though, but it's a characteristic I admire a lot. However, I also understand it's also a character trait that can screw you over personally, and financially too. Ok, I'm really gonna stop going on. Love me a good bit of loyalty though. Loyalty porn hehe.

 

[InannahQoH]

That's a loyal person.

The 4 know i stream, and 1 made me a mod.
So yeah it can be a trust situation..
Hopefully later when i get my shit organised, I can collaborate with them for joint gains.

 

[Billyboy]

Anyway, I'll drop it too, but I've been thinking about this topic for days now, so I'm gonna continue to keep thinking about it and trying to figure it out. Like I said the cam world that gets described out here, is so different from my personal perspective of the cam world. SO the dissonance is perplexing/confusing/irritating the living crap out of me. But it looks like I'm not gonna get or be able to come up with some simplistic answer or formula here.

Below is my perception and may be completely off target.

Don't know if it helps, but possibly comes down to socioeconomic factors, average salaries and cost of living in other countries.

How do you get a model to understand that they are worth 60 tokens a minute for a private, if 15 minutes without tips (900 tokens) is the same as what they earn in 6 hours normally? It is hard for them to get their head around it. I don't think they can imagine being worth the equivalent of their rent money for a single day of work.

I guess that if Colombians earn US$12 for 12 hours working at a cafe, then US$12 - US$25 for 6 hours is a good deal, but it won't make them rich. If you asked someone in say Australia to wait tables for even $5 an hour, you'd be laughed at or end up in court. So an Australian model is going to put a higher price on her time than a Colombian model. But cost of living is accordingly higher. I'm not saying this is ethically right, but it is reality. So if the items on their tip menu are lower, it takes a lot longer to reach 1,000 or more tokens. Plus it attracts the worst kind of member, who still want stuff discounted, even though it is already basement level. It amazes my model friends (kind of, though they know me now) when I will tip the full amount for something I want, even if it is only 100 or 200 tokens. They are so used to members tipping small amounts (as little as 10 x 1 token tips) and then asking for something off the tip menu worth 10 times what has been tipped.

Case Study: One model friend from Colombia (not one of the six) is a lot more successful and might make 2,000 tokens a shift and she loves spending time in private shows. But she prices them at 6 tokens a minute and therefore sometimes has a queue of members waiting. I told her that she should be charging more per minute, but she was scared there would be no privates. I said trial 12 tokens a minute as a compromise. Give it an hour and if she had no privates, then I would tip her 720 tokens (an hour at 12/min). Turns out there was no difference in number of privates that day and she doubled her normal daily token amount. But if things are slow, she'll still drop it back to 6 tokens. It is like they have been programmed to have no self confidence to ask for higher amounts.

 

[MarieElise]

Below is my perception and may be completely off target.

Don't know if it helps, but possibly comes down to socioeconomic factors, average salaries and cost of living in other countries.

How do you get a model to understand that they are worth 60 tokens a minute for a private, if 15 minutes without tips (900 tokens) is the same as what they earn in 6 hours normally? It is hard for them to get their head around it. I don't think they can imagine being worth the equivalent of their rent money for a single day of work.

I guess that if Colombians earn US$12 for 12 hours working at a cafe, then US$12 - US$25 for 6 hours is a good deal, but it won't make them rich. If you asked someone in say Australia to wait tables for even $5 an hour, you'd be laughed at or end up in court. So an Australian model is going to put a higher price on her time than a Colombian model. But cost of living is accordingly higher. I'm not saying this is ethically right, but it is reality. So if the items on their tip menu are lower, it takes a lot longer to reach 1,000 or more tokens. Plus it attracts the worst kind of member, who still want stuff discounted, even though it is already basement level. It amazes my model friends (kind of, though they know me now) when I will tip the full amount for something I want, even if it is only 100 or 200 tokens. They are so used to members tipping small amounts (as little as 10 x 1 token tips) and then asking for something off the tip menu worth 10 times what has been tipped.

Case Study: One model friend from Colombia (not one of the six) is a lot more successful and might make 2,000 tokens a shift and she loves spending time in private shows. But she prices them at 6 tokens a minute and therefore sometimes has a queue of members waiting. I told her that she should be charging more per minute, but she was scared there would be no privates. I said trial 12 tokens a minute as a compromise. Give it an hour and if she had no privates, then I would tip her 720 tokens (an hour at 12/min). Turns out there was no difference in number of privates that day and she doubled her normal daily token amount. But if things are slow, she'll still drop it back to 6 tokens. It is like they have been programmed to have no self confidence to ask for higher amounts.

Now, this makes a lot of sense. My first year I made shit (although never as low as the amounts we are talking about here) because of my frame of mind, and the members who I was attracting. In my opinion, at that time, I was not very good at being a cam model. I had a poor mentality, as in poor/ unabundant, and lacked the confidence to charge for my time fairly. During that time, when I catered to cheaper members I got more abuse than I have ever gotten since. That didn't make any intuitive sense to me, because it doesn't seem logical to me that people would treat you like crap if you are giving them a good deal. If I'm getting a cheap deal somewhere, then personally I'm brown-nosing up their asses like there's no tomorrow. As I do, unashamedly, at my local sushi bar where I swear they hook me up with the fattest, freshest avocado rolls I've ever seen!. But that was not how it worked in the cam world (at least not for me).

This is why I highly encourage other models to cater to the type of customer you want to have, rather than the type you might already have. However, although that's my way of seeing it, I also don't want to be giving bad advice to people in situations where there are outside factors, which can't be gotten around. Mentality issues can be fixed, stuff like placement limitations based on area, etc can't really be gotten around (as far as I know). I also don't know much about studios, and the limits different studios place on their models.

For someone to win, someone else has to lose right? The decks aren't stacked equally, people aren't all starting off from the same place w the same advantages.

I would like to think and believe that there is a formula that basically any model could follow and achieve equal success, as another model, with. But is that accurate or realistic, or is that just what I want to believe because it makes the world easier to take? Honestly, I'm not 100% sure.

But there is definitely a value in not catering to people who treat you bad, out of fear of loss of their tokens/ GOLD whatever. I'm convinced that, that only leads to more of the same types of people, and less nice people visiting your room. Which then, in turn, crushes the model's spirits. But do studio models even have that much freedom? I really don't know.

 

[Billyboy]

I think some have power to change and others, perhaps not as much. The challenge is the fear of the unknown and not having a safety net. Studios set targets and expectation seems to be that that is met first. That is why a studio model who exceeds the target gets a higher percentage to take home. I am not sure whether this goes into the negative on those bad days. However, one friend is looking after her sick dad (I know), and has to pay the studio xx pesos per day she misses work. I haven't even asked how much, as a. I don't want to get pissed off and b. I don't want her to think I will bail her out by asking for a figure. So to make a change and initially take a backward step is a hard leap for them to make, even if longer term it makes sense.


And yes, if I'm getting a bargain, I make sure I'm showing appreciation, whether it's that sushi (mmmmm) or a great show (MMMMMM).

 

[Nigerian Prince]

Case Study: One model friend from Colombia (not one of the six) is a lot more successful and might make 2,000 tokens a shift and she loves spending time in private shows. But she prices them at 6 tokens a minute and therefore sometimes has a queue of members waiting. I told her that she should be charging more per minute, but she was scared there would be no privates. I said trial 12 tokens a minute as a compromise. Give it an hour and if she had no privates, then I would tip her 720 tokens (an hour at 12/min). Turns out there was no difference in number of privates that day and she doubled her normal daily token amount. But if things are slow, she'll still drop it back to 6 tokens. It is like they have been programmed to have no self confidence to ask for higher amounts.

I've made a similar bet before with a Colombian model lol. It was certainly hard to get out of that 6tk mindset because of the fear of not getting any privates, but eventually she realized it wasn't worth it.

 

[Sxmxr]

I make these days 5000-8000 tks/night and I've been streaming on Chaturbate for two months. I'd like to know if I'm making too little or above average. And how much do you make?

That’s really good, especially for just starting out. So with those numbers, you can make around $100k a year. Is it possible to make more? Yes! Find what works for you, and get an onlyfans (it takes a little time to get steady income from there but if you put the time in it’s worth it). I think successful models make between $100k-$600k+ (USD) a year.

 

[Sxmxr]

Also since we got into sob stories here let me give my 2 cents. A lot of people have rough backgrounds and family problems especially in camming.
Cam sites aren’t the best for telling your sob story. There are other platforms for that. Also it’s not a good strategy since that’s not what most of the viewers log into the site for. There are models who have had hard lives and work very hard to put on great shows for their viewers and also to help their families.

 

[Billyboy]

Also since we got into sob stories here let me give my 2 cents. A lot of people have rough backgrounds and family problems especially in camming.
Cam sites aren’t the best for telling your sob story. There are other platforms for that. Also it’s not a good strategy since that’s not what most of the viewers log into the site for. There are models who have had hard lives and work very hard to put on great shows for their viewers and also to help their families.

I agree completely. Everyone has their stories/demons. Most discussion is offline or when it's really dead. A lot of times there are only greys and anons in these rooms. But it's sad when you know the reason why a model isn't online is because she has depression (pointed to Pineapple Support).

It would probably be more enjoyable if I didn't give a shit about people, but I do. Even at work people approach me to confide in. Not sure why, not like I'm wearing a collar (priests) around my neck. Been that way for probably 30 years and I'm 52 now.

 

[MarieElise]

whether it's that sushi (mmmmm) or a great show (MMMMMM).

I have only one response to this, and I apologize in advance, but I’m gonna literally burst if I don’t say it ...

If it smells like fish DON’T eat it

 

[bamdicted]

Since you co-hijacked this thread Detective717 (@EliMarie717 ), just to give you some facts. I have worked, and work, with a lot of Romanians, and talk to them about the standard of living. In 2021 the minimum monthly wage in Romania is $350 for unskilled labor, and the average pay is $800, both numbers are take-home pay. Taking into account taxes on such, if a Romanian model makes 3000 tokens a week she makes minimum wage, and if she makes 6000 tokens she is earning the average, if she is independent.

 

[InannahQoH]

Case Study: One model friend from Colombia (not one of the six) is a lot more successful and might make 2,000 tokens a shift and she loves spending time in private shows. But she prices them at 6 tokens a minute and therefore sometimes has a queue of members waiting. I told her that she should be charging more per minute, but she was scared there would be no privates. I said trial 12 tokens a minute as a compromise. Give it an hour and if she had no privates, then I would tip her 720 tokens (an hour at 12/min). Turns out there was no difference in number of privates that day and she doubled her normal daily token amount. But if things are slow, she'll still drop it back to 6 tokens. It is like they have been programmed to have no self confidence to ask for higher amounts.

Yeah I don't really get it, how is she meant to grow her channel, when her channel is always offline (In Privates)

My thinking's been, privates should be 30+ at a min.
So then if you goto a private, and lose your room full of viewers.. Least its worth it / worth the damage.. (Not always of course / for the larger models)

And it annoys me / makes me facepalm, when a model's got a decent room viewership, then they hop in a 6 private.
And then they empty their room, for not much / not enough.

 

[Sxmxr]

I agree completely. Everyone has their stories/demons. Most discussion is offline or when it's really dead. A lot of times there are only greys and anons in these rooms. But it's sad when you know the reason why a model isn't online is because she has depression (pointed to Pineapple Support).

It would probably be more enjoyable if I didn't give a shit about people, but I do. Even at work people approach me to confide in. Not sure why, not like I'm wearing a collar (priests) around my neck. Been that way for probably 30 years and I'm 52 now.

I understand

I agree completely. Everyone has their stories/demons. Most discussion is offline or when it's really dead. A lot of times there are only greys and anons in these rooms. But it's sad when you know the reason why a model isn't online is because she has depression (pointed to Pineapple Support).

It would probably be more enjoyable if I didn't give a shit about people, but I do. Even at work people approach me to confide in. Not sure why, not like I'm wearing a collar (priests) around my neck. Been that way for probably 30 years and I'm 52 now.

yeah depression is a bitch and you’re only
human for caring.

 

[MarieElise]

Since you co-hijacked this thread Detective717 (@EliMarie717 ), just to give you some facts. I have worked, and work, with a lot of Romanians, and talk to them about the standard of living. In 2021 the minimum monthly wage in Romania is $350 for unskilled labor, and the average pay is $800, both numbers are take-home pay. Taking into account taxes on such, if a Romanian model makes 3000 tokens a week she makes minimum wage, and if she makes 6000 tokens she is earning the average, if she is independent.

Thanks. Do you happen to know the average rent in Romania for a semi decent middle of the road place?

 

[cbhours]

It is sad, but that is exactly what I am saying.

As per previous posts, I am friends with 5 models in Colombia and 1 in Russia, so cost of living is lower.



None of them are doing well and all of them have been broadcasting for over 6 months at a minimum. All are living paycheck to paycheck.

The Russian one just went independent after I helped get some equipment. But even with the #new tag, didn't really do much better. One just got sacked from her studio as she had time off with a sick 6 month old. Didn't even get payout because she was "paying off" some lingerie she bought to can with.


@EliMarie717 your calculations are spot on.


Below is what one of my friends was earning at a second job.


For those who are interested, average rent in a dingy apartment for my friends in Colombia is about 800,000 Colombian Pesos a month (about US$200). FYI, the fine for breaking curfew for Covid in Colombia is 950,000 pesos.

In Russia (not Moscow), rent for an apartment is US$270. Kindergarten fees for a 2 year old are the same.

The average colombian makes less than 250 usd a month, thats working 48 hours a week, 6 day work week. If they can even pull 200 dollars every 15 days after studio cut its still more pay for them. Yes that amount of 200 for an apartment is about right. So in 1 pay period many of them can pay a months rent, good luck paying a months rent here in the states working in some of these lower pay jobs. This is why studios have no problem recruiting girls, for them its a good paying position with the potential to be much higher.

 

[cbhours]

The Russian one just went independent after I helped get some equipment. But even with the #new tag, didn't really do much better. One just got sacked from her studio as she had time off with a sick 6 month old. Didn't even get payout because she was "paying off" some lingerie she bought to can with.

I don't know if you'll find this info useful or not but sometimes they can find a local studio with an unused room that the studio is willing to rent out. They won't help them with tech support or anything like that but some models have done this in order to go independent in situations where camming from home was impossible.

 

[cbhours]

in my previous post i should have also stated the model usually has to bring her own equipment, sorry about that, its an important detail i forgot to write.

I make these days 5000-8000 tks/night and I've been streaming on Chaturbate for two months. I'd like to know if I'm making too little or above average. And how much do you make?

Thats way above average for 2 months in, how many hours you putting in per week or month?

 

[Billyboy]

I don't know if you'll find this info useful or not but sometimes they can find a local studio with an unused room that the studio is willing to rent out. They won't help them with tech support or anything like that but some models have done this in order to go independent in situations where camming from home was impossible.

the model usually has to bring her own equipment,

This is useful, but only one of my Colombian friends has a laptop, the rest rely on the mobiles as their only piece of technology. Not sure how much a suitable laptop sells for in Colombia, but probably beyond most of them at the moment.

The other thing I was told (by a mod, so not sure) is that you can only cash out on CB once you have 10,000 tokens. While the studio pays out regardless of what was earned. Not sure how true that is.

 

[cbhours]

The other thing I was told (by a mod, so not sure) is that you can only cash out on CB once you have 10,000 tokens. While the studio pays out regardless of what was earned. Not sure how true that is.

think thats only for wire transfers

 

[Deleted member 55529]

Obviously. Then why would they stick with it if they are not very good at it, is more what I'm curious about?

ETA; absolutely none of the full-time models I talk to make that little.

I have been camming for like 8 months, I put all my energy and make that some days! And I live in South America and that's above my cost of living.

 

[Deleted member 55529]

I live in a fancy area and my rent it's less than 200 USD. That's because camming it's a good job if you live in a poor third-world country. I think social media has a bad bias of sex work. Most cam models don't even make the minimum payout. Even if you are good you haven't assured anything because of the ultra-competitive and unstable nature of entertainment-related jobs.

 

[Deleted member 55529]

Is CB like SM where there are separate pages for different countries. Like for example a model I talked to from Brazil would be listed on the first page of the Brazilian SM, but like page 14 of the US SM? Or do models from all countries have an equal chance of being page 1 on US CB? I hope I worded that to make sense.

Like on my buyers account on SM, I tipped a few Brazilian Model friends, and now it automatically takes me to the Brazilian SM front page. But the Brazilian models I talked to told me there is no money in being 1st page SM for Brazil, and that what they want to get on page 1 for the US. However, I think there is some kind of algorithm that might make it more difficult for non-US located models to get to the top of the US Page. If I am undertsanding what these ladies told me correctly anyway? Wondering if CB is similar?

I'm on Streamate Latin America and it sucks. I speak English fluently. I think the algorithm makes me earn less. I'm an independent model. No studio.

 

[Deleted member 55529]

The average colombian makes less than 250 usd a month, thats working 48 hours a week, 6 day work week. If they can even pull 200 dollars every 15 days after studio cut its still more pay for them. Yes that amount of 200 for an apartment is about right. So in 1 pay period many of them can pay a months rent, good luck paying a months rent here in the states working in some of these lower pay jobs. This is why studios have no problem recruiting girls, for them its a good paying position with the potential to be much higher.

As South American (not Colombian) I can confirm. The minimum wage it's like less than 400 USD and that doesn't cover shit. I'm about to earn more than my partner who has a master's degree and +10 years of experience...Latin America it's reallllyyyyy reallllyyy pooor and fucked up.

 

[bamdicted]

Thanks. Do you happen to know the average rent in Romania for a semi decent middle of the road place?

From $250-350 depending on where you live, they say a family of 3 can really well on $1500 a month, and 2 people can get by on $500 + rent if they don't eat out too much

 

[MarieElise]

I kinda wish I knew who some of these models are that you guys have already checked/ screened for honesty. I don’t need new models to buy porn or shows from, I’m super picky about that. But if I have an extra amount of money or do really well on a day, I do like to send other models anonymous tips. Plus I’m superstitious about keeping good $ karma flows open.

Even just $20 might mean very little to me, but sounds like it could help some of these models out, and of course have the bonus of making me feel good for giving back. I just wouldn’t want to do that for a model who is scamming people w love cons or anything. But it seems you guys know your shit, and who can be trusted.

I don’t have the time to even begin figuring out who is who for myself. But shit, just seems like $10 or $20 might be little to me, but make someone else’s day.

Sidenote: Our rent is $2500 per month. But I’m still not moving to Romania or SA that’s for sure! Although I do want to at least visit SA some day. I know a lot of people who live or have lived there, and I want to go to Carnivale some year.

 

[Billyboy]

It's interesting that once you see that side of things, you can't "un-see" it (at least I can't) and it changes how you view this industry (or anywhere that there is an in-balance).

I saw one top model on CB (can't remember her name) and in her bio, she actually requested that members take time out to view the back pages of CB and spend some tokens on those models.

Another had a link, which changed frequently, to other models to hopefully send traffic in that direction.

 

[InannahQoH]

I kinda wish I knew who some of these models are that you guys have already checked/ screened for honesty. I don’t need new models to buy porn or shows from, I’m super picky about that. But if I have an extra amount of money or do really well on a day, I do like to send other models anonymous tips. Plus I’m superstitious about keeping good $ karma flows open.

I hunt for new (to me) models often. But I rarely add any to my follow list.
I usually Select South American, occasionally East Europe.. Goto page 25..
And make my way forward, and at 100 a page its a fairly long way back.
Initial thing I look for when landing in a room is, can they communicate in English, and what is their personality.

Even just $20 might mean very little to me, but sounds like it could help some of these models out, and of course have the bonus of making me feel good for giving back. I just wouldn’t want to do that for a model who is scamming people w love cons or anything. But it seems you guys know your shit, and who can be trusted.

I don't follow many, but if you need a few CB resume's sent to you, lols.

I want to go to Carnivale some year.

I've never been that way. But they look fun.

 

[Billyboy]

Although I do want to at least visit SA some day. I know a lot of people who live or have lived there, and I want to go to Carnivale some year.

A mate and I planned to do a motorcycle tour of Colombia, but then covid hit. Now it's looking less likely because of all the protests and violence. Hopefully one day it will settle down and we can do it.

Carnivale would be great, but again, don't see it happening any time soon, though Brazil, Argentina, Chile could be another destination for a motorcycle tour if things don't improve in Colombia. At the moment, the only place us Aussies can go it to New Zealand, except for some exceptions which require government permission.

 

[Death Star]

It is sad, but that is exactly what I am saying.

As per previous posts, I am friends with 5 models in Colombia and 1 in Russia, so cost of living is lower.



None of them are doing well and all of them have been broadcasting for over 6 months at a minimum. All are living paycheck to paycheck.

The Russian one just went independent after I helped get some equipment. But even with the #new tag, didn't really do much better. One just got sacked from her studio as she had time off with a sick 6 month old. Didn't even get payout because she was "paying off" some lingerie she bought to can with.


@EliMarie717 your calculations are spot on.


Below is what one of my friends was earning at a second job.


For those who are interested, average rent in a dingy apartment for my friends in Colombia is about 800,000 Colombian Pesos a month (about US$200). FYI, the fine for breaking curfew for Covid in Colombia is 950,000 pesos.

In Russia (not Moscow), rent for an apartment is US$270. Kindergarten fees for a 2 year old are the same.

So, im gonna be in the middle of.

I work with apps - that pays lowers than cam sites (1$ a minute). And not a single model do less then 10$ a day on it. only if she is not working. The hole region thing is not an excuse. im from Brazil and i work with a lot of girls from those places. and they make 1k - 3k a week. and anything above 200$ a week will sound like a lot of money in those currencies. You can be sure that those values are not so impressive when you know how low your currency is.

Just so you know how weak are those currencies (all latin american, easten europe and russian have the samed problem), in Brazil, 1 dollar = 5,32 real, at some point of that year 1 dollar was almost = 6,00 real.

 

[Billyboy]

Thanks Ella for the response. Was a little confused, but may be due to lack of sleep. lol. The models I am following are all on CB.

The hole region thing is not an excuse. im from Brazil and i work with a lot of girls from those places. and they make 1k - 3k a week.

Is this US$1k - 3k per week? I'm not saying the region is an excuse. This was mentioned about MFC, where models are grouped by region. I am just saying the specific models I have become friends with are struggling. I have seen plenty of successful models from South America, Eastern Europe and Russia. So not everyone is making a fortune.

I have been in rooms for whole shifts and at times when I didn't have tokens at the model's request. I have witnessed first hand the lack of tips and lack of any sizeable tip. They will often have days where there are no private shows, even though they are pricing between 6 tokens and 18 tokens per minute, They may go over an hour without a tip. Since most are studio models on a set shift, they can't log off for a while and then try again later. They are all broadcasting at different times, so that doesn't seem to have a bearing.

anything above 200$ a week will sound like a lot of money in those currencies.

Agreed, but they are struggling to reach even that. 1,000 tokens = 100,000 pesos from the studio = about US$27 = US$189 if they worked 7 days. Typical shift is 6 hours, so they are making about US$4.50 per hour. Some days it is half that.

You can be sure that those values are not so impressive when you know how low your currency is.

Not sure what you mean. In theory, the lower the currency, the further US$0.05 per token goes. I'm in Australia and US$4.50 per hour would not go very far.

Just so you know how weak are those currencies (all latin american, easten europe and russian have the samed problem), in Brazil, 1 dollar = 5,32 real, at some point of that year 1 dollar was almost = 6,00 real.

Yes, I'm aware of that when I realized that 1 million pesos was not actually a huge amount of money, even though it sounds a lot. I'm sure you can provide more insight, but while cost of living is lower, things like laptops are not much cheaper than anywhere else in the world. That makes it so much harder for a model to break free from studios where camming equipment is provided.