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Kylie_Kennedy

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So the Senate just passed FOSTA.

Here's what it is.

How will this impact camming? Craigslist already shut down their entire personals section and dozens of subreddits on Reddit have been deleted... basically anything that allows you to exchange any kind of information is now off-limits. I know cam sites try really hard to verify the age of every user, but this is a really, really hard crack-down on the online industry.

Thoughts?
 
No more date raffles.
 
No more meeting people (which I do not care about) and eventually people will have to pay extra for there ISP and it will be whatever they feel like charging on top of age verification on any devices purchased. So guys who purchase shows/clips won't be able to access those sites without paying a fee per month or 1 time (once all the bills pass)

slowly our freedom of speech will be taken away. This is the first of many things about to fuck us.
 
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/115-2018/s60

Two Nay votes in Senate. Two.

When I posted about this when it passed the House, I had just watched a Representative speak about what a wonderful achievement it was, and idk if it was hypocrisy or delusion I was listening to, but she made me want to vomit.
 
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I get wanting to protect against illegal sex trafficing. But, when it is voluntary, why punish/prohibit?

Charge when a crime is committed, not for innocent adult behaviour (which most of these fuckers are guilty of themselves)
 
I did my monthly google images search of username and unlike previous times, my images did not pop up first. That is until I added the streaming site I'm on, then they came up right away. It seems like Google is trying to avoid getting charged under FOSTA. While I think it is BS that FOSTA is amalgamating sex work and sex trafficking, TBH I'm kinda happy my images aren't the first to pop up.
 
@Naomi_R94 that's really interesting, makes me wonder what else (unrelated to this topic) Google is already censoring.

A lot. During elections, they will change search results to how they feel politically. They've been caught doing a lot of shady stuff.

Google and Facebook are two of the worst offenders for data collection, disregarding user rights and for steering political matters.
 
I did my monthly google images search of username and unlike previous times, my images did not pop up first. That is until I added the streaming site I'm on, then they came up right away. It seems like Google is trying to avoid getting charged under FOSTA. While I think it is BS that FOSTA is amalgamating sex work and sex trafficking, TBH I'm kinda happy my images aren't the first to pop up.
Google has been cracking down on adult content for a long time.
https://www.webpronews.com/google-preventing-u-s-users-from-disabling-safesearch/amp/
https://www.dailydot.com/debug/bing-porn-search-engine/
 
I don't think I would ever win a date raffle no matter how hard I try. It would be like winning the lottery, so I guess I can give a care.

That doesn't mean models can't do date raffles anymore if some sort of legislation is passed. It just means that people tipping for a date raffle will probably not win? Am I right?

I don't think I've ever seen a date raffle winner or model post here about anything concerning a date raffle. I'm guessing it isn't even worth promoting as it must have been a not so great experience (shit, I know if I showed up to meet a model it would be horrible: I know my pants are too big and I have a shirt that is probably not ironed and my hair is a mess and I would be sweating profusely and probably have to excuse myself to urinate a lot and check on my hair and curse my wrinkled shirt and pants and then when I get out of the bathroom it would seem like I farted in there even though I didn't and I would probably have some toilet paper stuck to end of my shoe which I wouldn't notice, and maybe a booger and probably some food in my teeth as I made my way back to the table with the model to talk about my life and dreams).

As much fun as a date raffle sounds, I guess I would go if I won, but you know, I don't think I would win.
 
I'm getting a little off topic here, but hopefully this helps everyone on here - does this mean the US can tap into US citizen's data whenever they want, too? I want to make sure I'm understanding this 100%
@JerryBoBerry would probably be better at explaining it than I would.
 
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No more snapchat, kik, skype... selling anything. But maybe I'm paranoid.
My gut feeling is that these ideas are too drastic. Yes maybe a little paranoid.
 
I just deleted my FB acct yesterday after downloading my data and saw what was being collected. Fuck. that.

Yeah, I deleted my accounts ages ago. The sad part is that they technically won't delete it. Also, this new round of Zuckerberg saying he's changing rules, etc for better privacy will be bullshit. He might crack down now. Then, once the heat is off and people forget (as they always do), he'll open security policies again that collects more data and lessens privacy. I'm slowly backing away from social media entirely and less online in general. Tired of many of the games companies/websites/gov't play, as well as all the drama that people put out there. Just don't need it
 
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I deleted my personal Facebook and Instagram 2 weeks ago. I was tired of everyone's crap on social media and just want to use social media for business. I was missing my personal social media but now it looks like it was a great idea to delete them.

The government is always doing something, shutting things down, or making things harder.

As people we either fight it or find a way around it.
 
I'm getting a little off topic here, but hopefully this helps everyone on here - does this mean the US can tap into US citizen's data whenever they want, too? I want to make sure I'm understanding this 100%

5 Eyes. Utah Data Center. Parallel construction. William Binney, Diane Roark (both had FBI raids on their homes). On and on it goes.



Collect it all...

...land phones, your cellphones, your emails, your texts, your Skype, your chats, your webcam, your social media postings, the FBI loves them. Postal mail...business records other than communications...all local, state, and federal government records...basically every transaction you ever make...

...emails; texts; social media; video conference; drivers licenses; passports; visas; private webcams; videos, including a large amount of sexual pornography. There is no subject, and no means, too intrusive for them. There is no content that is off limits. Their motto is "collect it all" as shown in the Snowden documents; and what they told me before I left was "we are going to own the web." And they do...

Now the administration has argued not to worry, not to worry; there are a lot of protections, and you know, you are just fine unless you are doing something wrong. And that's not true at all.

Do you understand now?
 
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Well, sex work has never been easy. One has to expect this kind of thing, when one works in an industry that nearly every country in the world is uncomfortable with, feels is immoral, and to some extent has made illegal (primarily for the women who dare to make a profit) at one point or another in history.


It's not actually "free speech" to be able to show your naked va-j-j on camera for money, nor to be able to arrange "dates" for money, etc. The ability to do so has varied greatly depending on who is interpreting the law at any given time. "Obscenity" is not protected by a free speech clause, and it has been left to generational (and sometimes regional) variances to determine what counts as an "obscenity." It's also not a right to be able to use whatever random social media/dating site might be affected by this - they are all private businesses that can run or not run whatever platforms and forms of moderation they see fit to curb their financial risk.


Also, is it actually news to anyone that FB and other social media platforms, Google, etc. collect personal data for profit? That has been well known for at least a decade. This is not news. That's why they will sometimes do random mass freeze-outs of accounts, and then demand photo ID/passport to reinstate the accounts - think about it, why in the world would FB need your home phone number, your passport, etc. just to verify an online social media account?? It was never about "security", "transparency," or "protecting the user." All of them also have ad tracking. And unless you have careful blocking scripts on your computer, whether you use social media or not, you're being tracked for marketing info every time you use the internet.


Child sex trafficking is a very serious and unfortunately common problem. Whether this legislation will have any positive impact is questionable. But I guess at least it's good someone is talking about it as an issue, whereas it was not addressed much previously in history, as a matter of major public discussion. It will make the less savvy child porn producers and pimps/traffickers quake in their boots and rethink what they're doing, which is good. It will unfortunately force the more sophisticated ones to go even deeper underground than they were already, and become even more powerful and dangerous.
 
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Law enforcement uses personal ads to help identify potential sex trafficking victims. FOSTA will only make their job more difficult. I wouldn't get too worried yet. With the free speech implications for legitimate parties, there will undoubtedly be court challenges.
 
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I feel like it's going to destroy things, quickly. Any potential interaction could lead to the exchange of information, which is exactly what this bill is prohibiting. No more snapchat, kik, skype... selling anything. But maybe I'm paranoid.


Totally agree, and glad you posted this. I tried to raise the alarm in the mfc lounge and was laughed/trolled out. It's serious, and the backers are feminist Dems and conservative Repubs, who agree on this. Our orange perv prez would love to sign it given his porn star troubles.
 
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Also, IMHO, it's pretty hard to make a case that everyone in a Colombian studio gangbang on CB signed up versus working at a McDonald's. The guys are rarely smiling and I don't think I would be after cumming 15 times per shift. If you're paying people to perform live sex acts with someone, it's pretty close to the p word, moreso than regular porn.

CB should get ahead of the inevitable by cutting groups immediately and MFC should go further by banning studios, especially in Colombia, Kazakstan, Romania and dear old Mother Russia. Better to cut loses now than jeopardize the whole operation.
 
Well, sex work has never been easy. One has to expect this kind of thing, when one works in an industry that nearly every country in the world is uncomfortable with, feels is immoral, and to some extent has made illegal (primarily for the women who dare to make a profit) at one point or another in history.


It's not actually "free speech" to be able to show your naked va-j-j on camera for money, nor to be able to arrange "dates" for money, etc. The ability to do so has varied greatly depending on who is interpreting the law at any given time. "Obscenity" is not protected by a free speech clause, and it has been left to generational (and sometimes regional) variances to determine what counts as an "obscenity." It's also not a right to be able to use whatever random social media/dating site might be affected by this - they are all private businesses that can run or not run whatever platforms and forms of moderation they see fit to curb their financial risk.


Also, is it actually news to anyone that FB and other social media platforms, Google, etc. collect personal data for profit? That has been well known for at least a decade. This is not news. That's why they will sometimes do random mass freeze-outs of accounts, and then demand photo ID/passport to reinstate the accounts - think about it, why in the world would FB need your home phone number, your passport, etc. just to verify an online social media account?? It was never about "security", "transparency," or "protecting the user." All of them also have ad tracking. And unless you have careful blocking scripts on your computer, whether you use social media or not, you're being tracked for marketing info every time you use the internet.


Child sex trafficking is a very serious and unfortunately common problem. Whether this legislation will have any positive impact is questionable. But I guess at least it's good someone is talking about it as an issue, whereas it was not addressed much previously in history, as a matter of major public discussion. It will make the less savvy child porn producers and pimps/traffickers quake in their boots and rethink what they're doing, which is good. It will unfortunately force the more sophisticated ones to go eve




I had a huge thing written out. But no. That's not how this will work. It will not make pimps shake in their boots. It will ostracize and isolate victims of trafficking even more. No , this isn't something we just have to put up with. It's a dangerous and harmful thing.

If you really think that this was to keep actual trafficking victims safe and not just whorephobia than you have some serious learning to do about the government.
 
If you're paying people to perform live sex acts with someone, it's pretty close to the p word, moreso than regular porn.

Maybe I'm just obtuse, but what "p word"?
 
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