Very strange Camscore going ons

[goneDude1]

A_Von_Tease camscore increased 81,666 in one day to 94,654, a few hours later it's dropped 5,987 to 88,667.0

I'm baffled as back in may her camscore had jumped to 107,742 and one day later was down to 11,317

Any idea's anyone ?

 

[LailaBaise]

I think it may have something to do with tokens. Don't lose too much sleep over it.

 

[Wendsor]

eh a big tip and not so many "online hours"?

 

[Wendsor]

* I can't edit my post that's why I post again"


I count like 10 hours online in the last 6 months.

a few hours more online and the ratio's change quickly that's why you see the drop so fast.

just a guess though

 

[goneDude1]

I think it may have something to do with tokens. Don't lose too much sleep over it.

Never

I don't give a monkeys about her camscore just curious at such huge increase and decrease over a 24hr period and yes I'm fully aware of tokens against time online :mrgreen:

Was just thinking it must be a record mfc tip or record multiple tips

 

[AmberCutie]

In the actual camscore thread, she and her camscore fluctuations have been discussed at pretty great length.

viewtopic.php?p=169411#p169411

For girls like her, I've sort of trained my eye to ignore her and any crazy camscores. We know it's not earned the usual way, so to ignore it/her is best.

 

[goneDude1]

Didn't see that particular post Amber :whistle:

Delete this thread if need be

 

[Evvie]

It was always my impression that after she falsely inflated her camscore, it was reset to something quite a bit lower by the admin.

I was also under the impression that this happened some time ago? Or is she at it again?

 

[js423]

She's worked less than 10 hours this month, but has enough tokens to be #45...so probably at least 325,000 tokens? Earning ~32,500 tokens/hr does wonders for cam score.

 

[Jessi J]

it was a glitch in the matrix, now move along! :whistle:

 

[MyCamgirl]

It was always my impression that after she falsely inflated her camscore, it was reset to something quite a bit lower by the admin.

I was also under the impression that this happened some time ago? Or is she at it again?

Yes, she did. But before her camscore gradually increased over 6 months from ~5,000 up to 107,742, when it dropped to ~11,000 in one day. Now she gained 81,657 points in one day.



Is she taking advantage of this? She has on average 146 people in her room. Girls with lower camscores have more people.

 

[AmberCutie]

She's worked less than 10 hours this month, but has enough tokens to be #45...so probably at least 325,000 tokens? Earning ~32,500 tokens/hr does wonders for cam score.

I doubt she's at that amount right now. A bit less than that for rank 45 with a few days to go in the month.

 

[Evvie]

If she's stupid enough to inflate her camscore again, it's just going to go down again. I think MFC is perfectly happy to absorb those extra tokens while slashing her score over and over.

 

[Lounge20K]

I've read few members asking if models tip themselves, is that how it is done? Just for the sake of increasing the cam score they would actually loose half of their own earnings???

 

[Evvie]

I've read few members asking if models tip themselves, is that how it is done? Just for the sake of increasing the cam score they would actually loose half of their own earnings???

Models can tip themselves through their own premium account, yes. Or they can have dedicated regulars give big offline tips.

The more tokens you buy, the less they cost. As far as I know the least amount of money you can spend on a token is 7 cents, is that correct? So a model is not necessarily losing half of EVERYTHING she makes.

AspenRae has a camscore of 22000 right now and yesterday I saw her doing a cumshow countdown for 10,000 tokens. If she took one day's earnings, bought tokens and tipped it all back to her account, she would only be losing 2-3 cents per token and possibly inflating her camscore a great deal. (I'm not saying AspenRae does this, I'm just saying that high camscore models can potentially make a ton of money, so the benefits of having your name at the top of the page can far outweigh the cost.)

Even buying tokens for 10c/token, if you spent $600 you could get 6000 tokens, and if you tipped it all back to yourself, got online for two minutes and logged off, you only lost $300 and your camscore could jump by around 15,000 points. That is a huge deal to some models and I would not be surprised if camscore inflation happens on a smaller scale all the time.

 

[Crazydidi]

I've read few members asking if models tip themselves, is that how it is done? Just for the sake of increasing the cam score they would actually loose half of their own earnings???

iv heard that to... I do not doubt that its true, this is a full time job for some and I think a lot of girls are a little to committed to it, for me even if I wanted to do it I dont really have the money to! I need more tip's first to tip myself :-D

 

[Littlegringo]

I've read few members asking if models tip themselves, is that how it is done? Just for the sake of increasing the cam score they would actually loose half of their own earnings???

Models can tip themselves through their own premium account, yes. Or they can have dedicated regulars give big offline tips.

The more tokens you buy, the less they cost. As far as I know the least amount of money you can spend on a token is 7 cents, is that correct? So a model is not necessarily losing half of EVERYTHING she makes.

AspenRae has a camscore of 22000 right now and yesterday I saw her doing a cumshow countdown for 10,000 tokens. If she took one day's earnings, bought tokens and tipped it all back to her account, she would only be losing 2-3 cents per token and possibly inflating her camscore a great deal. (I'm not saying AspenRae does this, I'm just saying that high camscore models can potentially make a ton of money, so the benefits of having your name at the top of the page can far outweigh the cost.)

Even buying tokens for 10c/token, if you spent $600 you could get 6000 tokens, and if you tipped it all back to yourself, got online for two minutes and logged off, you only lost $300 and your camscore could jump by around 15,000 points. That is a huge deal to some models and I would not be surprised if camscore inflation happens on a smaller scale all the time.

In a way, what Evvie described is pretty similar to companies doing search engine optimization. Like an advertising cost. Businesses that want to get ranked high in searches often pay for dedicated seo each month, to get up there and stay up there. To get up in the rankings on MFC, you need more tips. While it may be underhanded? a model paying for tips to herself is essentially putting money into her seo/advertising. The difference is, paying for SEO is an accepted business practice, while this is frowned upon.

 

[Swirl]

I've read few members asking if models tip themselves, is that how it is done? Just for the sake of increasing the cam score they would actually loose half of their own earnings???

Models can tip themselves through their own premium account, yes. Or they can have dedicated regulars give big offline tips.

The more tokens you buy, the less they cost. As far as I know the least amount of money you can spend on a token is 7 cents, is that correct? So a model is not necessarily losing half of EVERYTHING she makes.

AspenRae has a camscore of 22000 right now and yesterday I saw her doing a cumshow countdown for 10,000 tokens. If she took one day's earnings, bought tokens and tipped it all back to her account, she would only be losing 2-3 cents per token and possibly inflating her camscore a great deal. (I'm not saying AspenRae does this, I'm just saying that high camscore models can potentially make a ton of money, so the benefits of having your name at the top of the page can far outweigh the cost.)

Even buying tokens for 10c/token, if you spent $600 you could get 6000 tokens, and if you tipped it all back to yourself, got online for two minutes and logged off, you only lost $300 and your camscore could jump by around 15,000 points. That is a huge deal to some models and I would not be surprised if camscore inflation happens on a smaller scale all the time.

7575 Tokens for $599.99 (less than $0.08 per token) seems to be the most common package most people with a decent amount of rewards points can buy...still pretty close to 8 cents per token. I imgaine you can email them for better deals though if you are a really high roller.

 

[sorrowfool]

What's the purpose of the camscore, anyway? Do other camsites have similar systems? The only reason I can see is to determine position on Homepage, but there's got to be a less exploitable way to do that.

 

[Littlegringo]

What's the purpose of the camscore, anyway? Do other camsites have similar systems? The only reason I can see is to determine position on Homepage, but there's got to be a less exploitable way to do that.

It lets you know when the mob has laundered some money?

 

[Evvie]

What's the purpose of the camscore, anyway? Do other camsites have similar systems? The only reason I can see is to determine position on Homepage, but there's got to be a less exploitable way to do that.

I think they had a good idea for camscore, but now that standard is either corrupted or the site has grown to a point where it can't be stable.

Camscore encourages girls to make the most possible money online, and get offline if they aren't making money. This makes sense to cut bandwidth costs. However, just because a model is making the most per hour doesn't mean she's making the most overall; If you stay online for two hours and make 1000 tokens per hour, your camscore will be higher than the model who stays on for eight hours and makes 500 tokens an hour. In essence, many models who make a lot of money have low camscores - it punishes the models who are willing to spend the most time on the site.

Their ambiguity about how camscore works also makes it easy to "adjust" as they please. In another thread somewhere, more than a couple models have pointed out that as soon as they started filming pornography with brand-name pornographers, their camscore magically jumped by a couple thousand points. Other people have noted that when a popular pornstar signs up on the site, their score seems to increase more than it would seem possible. Or, if a model pisses off the admin, she might see her score slowly start to spiral downwards.

Many companies have bothersome transparency policies that force them to explain why things are happening. MFC is held back by no such agreements. They are quite upfront that camscores are not something they will talk about.

And at this point, many of their highest earning models also do have the highest camscores. I would not want to risk having a few top twenty models (whom I think we've agreed make like $50,000 if they're high enough in Miss MFC) decide to move on - and take their fans elsewhere - if the camscore that kept them at the top was suddenly removed.

 

[Lounge20K]

Models who make a lot of money have low scores but are high ranked in the monthly contests.

What Evvie just described is scary.

I think that a model tipping herself for the sake of increasing her camscore is just not fair :angry4:

 

[AmberCutie]

What's the purpose of the camscore, anyway? Do other camsites have similar systems? The only reason I can see is to determine position on Homepage, but there's got to be a less exploitable way to do that.

I think they had a good idea for camscore, but now that standard is either corrupted or the site has grown to a point where it can't be stable.

Camscore encourages girls to make the most possible money online, and get offline if they aren't making money. This makes sense to cut bandwidth costs. However, just because a model is making the most per hour doesn't mean she's making the most overall; If you stay online for two hours and make 1000 tokens per hour, your camscore will be higher than the model who stays on for eight hours and makes 500 tokens an hour. In essence, many models who make a lot of money have low camscores - it punishes the models who are willing to spend the most time on the site.

Their ambiguity about how camscore works also makes it easy to "adjust" as they please. In another thread somewhere, more than a couple models have pointed out that as soon as they started filming pornography with brand-name pornographers, their camscore magically jumped by a couple thousand points. Other people have noted that when a popular pornstar signs up on the site, their score seems to increase more than it would seem possible. Or, if a model pisses off the admin, she might see her score slowly start to spiral downwards.

Many companies have bothersome transparency policies that force them to explain why things are happening. MFC is held back by no such agreements. They are quite upfront that camscores are not something they will talk about.

And at this point, many of their highest earning models also do have the highest camscores. I would not want to risk having a few top twenty models (whom I think we've agreed make like $50,000 if they're high enough in Miss MFC) decide to move on - and take their fans elsewhere - if the camscore that kept them at the top was suddenly removed.

While I don't agree and won't say that MFC has special arrangements for porn girls or whatnot**, I totally agree with the rest of this post.

I believe that the camscore works well for MFC's business model in that they want the girls who are making the most per hour to be in the limelight, and to encourage girls who aren't making much per hour (and thus wasting space/bandwidth) to log off and try again another time.

I do also think that some people have learned well how to manipulate it and maybe now that MFC has grown so big and popular that we will occasionally see this issue like with the model mentioned in OP. Though in the end, I don't believe that the models/studios that manipulate it really end up with more tokens overall than the girls who just earn it and work hard for a top20 ranking do.

**(I just think that the porn girls have this huge star-struck thing going for them which creates a huge hype around them and creates a high tokens-per-hour phenomenon that adjusts their camscore the same way that the scamscore tip-themselves-girls does. We haven't seen any new porn girls in the last 6 months or so start up an MFC account with a high camscore anyway so I think any previous discussions about this are a bit moot now.)

 

[sorrowfool]

What's the purpose of the camscore, anyway? Do other camsites have similar systems? The only reason I can see is to determine position on Homepage, but there's got to be a less exploitable way to do that.

I think they had a good idea for camscore, but now that standard is either corrupted or the site has grown to a point where it can't be stable.

Camscore encourages girls to make the most possible money online, and get offline if they aren't making money. This makes sense to cut bandwidth costs. However, just because a model is making the most per hour doesn't mean she's making the most overall; If you stay online for two hours and make 1000 tokens per hour, your camscore will be higher than the model who stays on for eight hours and makes 500 tokens an hour. In essence, many models who make a lot of money have low camscores - it punishes the models who are willing to spend the most time on the site.

Their ambiguity about how camscore works also makes it easy to "adjust" as they please. In another thread somewhere, more than a couple models have pointed out that as soon as they started filming pornography with brand-name pornographers, their camscore magically jumped by a couple thousand points. Other people have noted that when a popular pornstar signs up on the site, their score seems to increase more than it would seem possible. Or, if a model pisses off the admin, she might see her score slowly start to spiral downwards.

Many companies have bothersome transparency policies that force them to explain why things are happening. MFC is held back by no such agreements. They are quite upfront that camscores are not something they will talk about.

And at this point, many of their highest earning models also do have the highest camscores. I would not want to risk having a few top twenty models (whom I think we've agreed make like $50,000 if they're high enough in Miss MFC) decide to move on - and take their fans elsewhere - if the camscore that kept them at the top was suddenly removed.

While I don't agree and won't say that MFC has special arrangements for porn girls or whatnot**, I totally agree with the rest of this post.

I believe that the camscore works well for MFC's business model in that they want the girls who are making the most per hour to be in the limelight, and to encourage girls who aren't making much per hour (and thus wasting space/bandwidth) to log off and try again another time.

I do also think that some people have learned well how to manipulate it and maybe now that MFC has grown so big and popular that we will occasionally see this issue like with the model mentioned in OP. Though in the end, I don't believe that the models/studios that manipulate it really end up with more tokens overall than the girls who just earn it and work hard for a top20 ranking do.

**(I just think that the porn girls have this huge star-struck thing going for them which creates a huge hype around them and creates a high tokens-per-hour phenomenon that adjusts their camscore the same way that the scamscore tip-themselves-girls does. We haven't seen any new porn girls in the last 6 months or so start up an MFC account with a high camscore anyway so I think any previous discussions about this are a bit moot now.)

That last paragraph is pretty much what I always figured happened with porn stars on MFC.

I guess camscore does make quite a bit of sense from a business standpoint, it just sucks that models that like to chill and talk even when they aren't getting tipped get punished for it.

 

[AmberCutie]

I guess camscore does make quite a bit of sense from a business standpoint, it just sucks that models that like to chill and talk even when they aren't getting tipped get punished for it.

I know, and many of us girls will agree that if it didn't work this way, we'd happily lay around half-clothed or naked and chatting with our favorite members for many more hours a day/week and squee for any tips that came in if the current camscore scenario weren't in play.

But we can understand why MFC doesn't want that. They have a business to run, and parameters in which it's best to run it in. 1000's of girls doing as I described above would be more resource-wasting than profit-generating. I understand, even if I wish it was different.

 

[Evvie]

Models who make a lot of money have low scores but are high ranked in the monthly contests.

What Evvie just described is scary.

I think that a model tipping herself for the sake of increasing her camscore is just not fair :angry4:

It is not particularly honest, but I think in a lot of cases it doesn't matter.

Models who have a high "natural" camscore have a lot of fans and regulars who tip them big bucks to maintain that score.

Models who artificially inflate their score don't automatically get an increase in their fanbase, regulars, or tippers. The only good this does them is that it will be more likely for people to pass through their room. A lot of models and studios are perfectly happy with this, as they seek to attract the customer that is clicking "next model" searching for a hot lady to jerk it to. There's nothing wrong with that business model. It's just not what some of us are looking for.

I think we see A_von_tease with her 85,000 camscore and it just clicks in the back of our minds that a high camscore = tons of money. But that's not how it works. Our own EvaLee has been in the top 20 the majority of the month. She could probably afford the down payment on three new houses, and her camscore is floating around 15k right now. A_von_tease's camscore is 5x of EvaLee's, and yet she is far behind her on the top 100.

Someone with an artificially inflated camscore is only given more exposure. If you're an amazing fantastic model who was just held back by a bad start, then that exposure can indeed further your career. But A_von_tease is definitely not a new model and her original camscore was definitely well above average. For her, artificial inflation will do nothing, as with her 10k-ish camscore she would likely already be in the first or second row no matter when she got online. Essentially, this kind of promotion has no benefits for someone who is already established, and women who aren't established and could use this to put themselves well ahead of other models probably can't afford it on a large scale.

I've considered that it's possible she just stopped camming but someone is tipping her huge amounts offline. But I don't know enough about the situation to say.

 

[js423]

There are very few "porn stars" who have what would be considered high cam scores. In fact I think in general porn stars don't do particularly well on MFC. Sammi Rhodes does ok, but not as well as one might expect and if you see her room does not get tipped out of the ordinary. Some of the bigger name porn stars who've been on MFC eventually moved on because apparently they didn't do as well as they thought they would.

One thing that cam score is useful for is showing that models can make money in different styles. you can target making a lot per hour (high cam score, for example GingerBanks), making a lot overall (sexxybunny) or both (Jalyn). All are hard of course, but are all possible by what in the real world would be considered "normal" girls...

 

[Evvie]

There are very few "porn stars" who have what would be considered high cam scores. In fact I think in general porn stars don't do particularly well on MFC. Sammi Rhodes does ok, but not as well as one might expect and if you see her room does not get tipped out of the ordinary. Some of the bigger name porn stars who've been on MFC eventually moved on because apparently they didn't do as well as they thought they would.

There was a rather charged thread a little while ago about how pornstars suck at camming.

I agree that to an extent, the creation of pornography is not similar to the camming process, and I think a lot of successful or experienced pornstars think that they will naturally do well in a crowd of relative "amateurs". I think a lot of these ladies would be more successful if they were on a different site instead of MFC.

I do doubt, however, that someone who is talented at filming pornography has a natural fault at camming. I think it's just incorrect expectations that lead to a lack of success.

 

[MilaMilan]

The cam score yet again .....Evvie explains it very well and in my eyes 99.99% correctly.

There is no transparency what so ever in the cam rate ...I dropped from my highest cam rate of 26.000 in February 2010 to about 7000 nowadays ...Still I am not making much less money then I was making back then. The times have changed and so has the calculation of the cam rate.

Manipulating it is quite easy ...Just open an account for a new model , buy lots of tokens and get the income back from the model ...You pay $2000-3000 nett for every 100.000 tokens , throw the tokens in the account and do that 10 days in a row with 10.000 and don't go online > Boom huge cam rate ....nice visible position on page 1 and you have the Atteneri ( A von Tease ) construction .....

Marketing wise the cam rate is a stroke of pure brilliance on behalf of Leo and his team ... and has made MFC even more successful and even top models from other sites are attracted by the exposure ......including the presence of stars like Sunny , Monique and Sammie ....

Evvie is right when it comes to A. von Tease she has been on cam sites a long long time and comes out of the V....... corner .. The question is WHY the hell would someone who loves this girl soooo much pay 35% to MFC to proof that love when she is not going for prizes or position?

Why not pay the girl the money direct because she does not play a role on MFC in miss MFC nor will she ever , even tips in the 100.000+ range will not help her there ...

So why does her benefactor/pimp/studio/organization/ pump that money into her account ? Well in my logic 1+1= 2 and not 3, 4 or 5 ...I only see only one reason for them to do that personally ...because throwing money at MFC is nice of the people behind A. von Tease ( and other similar highly inflated cam scores) and Leo will be thankful for the gesture but where is the sense in all of this if the model is not going for a super porn career (She is over that age ) or even for a top 5 position on miss MFC ?

I will not set myself up for another line of threats like I got last year ....so I will leave it to you to make your own conclusions ...
This problem I am referring to is by the way in no way solely a MFC problem ..it is a problem on each and every cam site ...On MFC it is only much more visible because of the cam rate ...... and has increased after the federal crackdown on online gambling ...

So now I will wait for the comments from N.P and C.O. defending the rights of the innocent ....Remember gentlemen I know more then you think and also know where you get your sponsored time from ...so lets keep it friendly and factual....

 

[goneDude1]

Well she just did it right now 20:14 GMT, logs on with cam, not her just empty chair 60 seconds later gone. Bet she wont back.

As Mila says what the hell you need to do this when your camscore is that high. Is it a ego thing ?