Tonight is my first library show

[PunkInDrublic]

that's a problematic attitude right there.

How so? Some models are willing to go to extremes to make money or get noticed, some keep it pretty simple.

The only reason I even made my initial post was because I knew this was the only place on the internet that would defend this type of behavior, couldn't not say it. Any other forum, people would be all "Yes of course this is classless and disrespectful behavior, the sky is also blue" but I knew some models here would try to justify and defend it.

 

[JerryBoBerry]

that's a problematic attitude right there.

How so? Some models are willing to go to extremes to make money or get noticed, some keep it pretty simple.

The only reason I even made my initial post was because I knew this was the only place on the internet that would defend this type of behavior, couldn't not say it. Any other forum, people would be all "Yes of course this is classless and disrespectful behavior, the sky is also blue" but I knew some models here would try to justify and defend it.

Speaking of Classless. Pot meet kettle.

 

[Gen]

that's a problematic attitude right there.

How so? Some models are willing to go to extremes to make money or get noticed, some keep it pretty simple.

The only reason I even made my initial post was because I knew this was the only place on the internet that would defend this type of behavior, couldn't not say it. Any other forum, people would be all "Yes of course this is classless and disrespectful behavior, the sky is also blue" but I knew some models here would try to justify and defend it.

I imagine most forums would also be more inclined than we would to see all camming as "classless". Although again I bet it'd depend on what kind of show it was. (Also obviously models here would defend it, seeing as so many do those shows...who wouldn't defend themselves against being called classless & disrespectful?)

 

[PunkInDrublic]

I imagine most forums would also be more inclined than we would to see all camming as "classless".

Maybe but I'm certain most would consider going to a library and playing with yourself is classless and disrespectful behavior whether camming is involved or not.

 

[Gen]

I imagine most forums would also be more inclined than we would to see all camming as "classless".

Maybe but I'm certain most would consider going to a library and playing with yourself is classless and disrespectful behavior whether camming is involved or not.

Okay, so you ARE talking only about shows where the girl is masturbating? I got the impression that you were talking about all library shows.

I am not a fan of public masturbation and agree that it's disrespectful, but I think painting all library shows as the same is a bit dramatic. Again, a girl smiling and undoing buttons doesn't seem like a big deal at all; I see people doing similar on Skype with their friends/boyfriends/family in the library all the time (thankfully not on the silent floor or I'd lose it).

 

[Kunra9]

When they first started up, I loved them.

There was a model back in the day, she went by many names, but it was always a variation of "blu". Asian girl. The first time I was ever in her room, she was in the college library right before closing. The place was mostly empty, she got a huge tip, threw off her dress and ran down an isle and back and put her clothes on.

It was one of the most exciting shows I've ever seen and I was instantly a fan. At that time, I had never seen a library show on camera before.
Now they're fairly common and it's become boring to me.

I have also seen girls do shows at Starbucks and was actually watching a girl on camera one time as the police arrived. Someone had called them. She killed her cam right away and logged back on later and told everyone she was cited for public indecency or something like that.

Anyway, the reason these shows appeal to people is the risk. There is a CHANCE the model will get caught. Just like plenty of people like to have sex in public places as the thrill of maybe getting caught can be a huge rush.

I think applying a blanket statement to everyone that does a show in a public place as being "classless" is really unfair, as it's very subjective and different from person to person.

Maybe one girl will have no problem flashing a nipple at a library, but thinks it's totally classless to put anything in her butt.
And then another girl has no problem fitting large random objects into her colon, but wouldn't dare broadcast in public because she feels that is classless.

Everyone is different.

Maybe you feel it's classless to broadcast in public, but I imagine plenty of people would judge you the same for going on the internet and paying girls to do various sex acts so you can get your dick hard and crank one out.

To each their own my friend.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

Okay, so you ARE talking only about shows where the girl is masturbating? I got the impression that you were talking about all library shows.

I meant in general but don't feel like I should need to explain why using a library to do shows on a porn site for dudes jacking off on the internet is disrespectful or classless.

Maybe you feel it's classless to broadcast in public, but I imagine plenty of people would judge you the same for going on the internet and paying girls to do various sex acts so you can get your dick hard and crank one out.

To each their own my friend.

I get your point friend(tho I would argue being a mfc member is not as classless as playing with yourself in any public place) and see the error in my ways. Judge not lest you be judged first-Dmx(lol)

 

[Starling]

When they first started up, I loved them.

There was a model back in the day, she went by many names, but it was always a variation of "blu". Asian girl. The first time I was ever in her room, she was in the college library right before closing. The place was mostly empty, she got a huge tip, threw off her dress and ran down an isle and back and put her clothes on.

It was one of the most exciting shows I've ever seen and I was instantly a fan. At that time, I had never seen a library show on camera before.
Now they're fairly common and it's become boring to me.

I have also seen girls do shows at Starbucks and was actually watching a girl on camera one time as the police arrived. Someone had called them. She killed her cam right away and logged back on later and told everyone she was cited for public indecency or something like that.

Anyway, the reason these shows appeal to people is the risk. There is a CHANCE the model will get caught. Just like plenty of people like to have sex in public places as the thrill of maybe getting caught can be a huge rush.

I think applying a blanket statement to everyone that does a show in a public place as being "classless" is really unfair, as it's very subjective and different from person to person.

Maybe one girl will have no problem flashing a nipple at a library, but thinks it's totally classless to put anything in her butt.
And then another girl has no problem fitting large random objects into her colon, but wouldn't dare broadcast in public because she feels that is classless.

Everyone is different.

Maybe you feel it's classless to broadcast in public, but I imagine plenty of people would judge you the same for going on the internet and paying girls to do various sex acts so you can get your dick hard and crank one out.

To each their own my friend.

Thank you. You have explained exactly what I was too angry to spell out.

 

[mutantdonut]

that's a problematic attitude right there.

How so? Some models are willing to go to extremes to make money or get noticed, some keep it pretty simple.

The only reason I even made my initial post was because I knew this was the only place on the internet that would defend this type of behavior, couldn't not say it. Any other forum, people would be all "Yes of course this is classless and disrespectful behavior, the sky is also blue" but I knew some models here would try to justify and defend it.

The original post that stated "I guess some models will do anything for money" was highly insulting to say the least and i don't find that to be necessarily true. You might as well go as far as saying, "All models sign up for cam sites and strip away their dignity & self-worth because they'll do anything for money."

Granted, models borrow various ideas for their shows, whether it be oil, raffle, spin the wheel, buy me a shot, etc, in order to figure out what works well for them along with what they're comfortable with. Many are willing to attempt different ideas to liven up their shows, for themselves and/or for their loyal regulars & nonregs alike, just to spice things up. There's also a level of creative expression behind what models would like to perform for their audience, and occasionally a model might think their nightly routine is beginning to run stale, thus trying something new. Think of it this way... Not everyone continues to do vanilla bedroom style sex. Some prefer the thrill of doing the deed in an elevator or a department store dressing room.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

Some prefer the thrill of doing the deed in an elevator or a department store dressing room.

Gonna need some better excuses to justify poor behavior because anyone who does this is wildly disrespectful and classless.

 

[Sevrin]

Some prefer the thrill of doing the deed in an elevator or a department store dressing room.

Gonna need some better excuses to justify poor behavior because anyone who does this is wildly disrespectful and classless.

As opposed to timidly disrespectful and classless?

 

[mutantdonut]

Some prefer the thrill of doing the deed in an elevator or a department store dressing room.

Gonna need some better excuses to justify poor behavior because anyone who does this is wildly disrespectful and classless.

Sigh....
So i'm actually trying to determine if my example sailed over your head or you're trying your best to prove my argument invalid by stating how things are "disrespectful" and "classless" (If neither of those, then i'm not sure). My original point being that sometimes people are willing to attempt different activities in order to spice things up, and not necessarily for monetary purposes or attention seeking as you brazenly framed it. I was not trying to justify public library shows any more than i already have. If you want another example, then give this one a shot... some people are bored with vanilla sex so they might turn to some form of kinky role play or maybe incorporate food or oils.

I swear, the continuous usage of "classless" on this thread has blown the irony meter through the roof.... seriously

 

[Josie_Sky]

If you think all library shows are disrespectful and classless, you've never seen one of kickaz's library shows.

The end.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

If you want another example, then give this one a shot... some people are bored with vanilla sex so they might turn to some form of kinky role play or maybe incorporate food or oils.

That will work. Nothing disrespectful or classless about that.

If you think all library shows are disrespectful and classless, you've never seen one of kickaz's library shows.

The end.

Briefly seen one, found it to be disrespectful and left. The end.

 

[LaceyRoyce]

PROUD to be disrespectful and classless over here.

(well as PiD defines it at least - for my own self, I have a code I stick to about what I consider disrespectful. As for 'classless' classy isn't really a compliment to me - i Like it rough, nasty and dirty....)


That said - I will own my mistakes. The show I did at the MGM was disrespectful by my standards.. (i was drinking), and I once accidentally squirted on a surface (carpet) i could NOT clean properly afterwards. That was mortifying, I felt horrible and I've learned my lesson from that.. (I don't use the toys that make me squirt)

As for the OP:

Scope out your spots. I'm wary of librarys because of the potential for kids..so uni libraries are a good choice.

If you're going to get messy, make sure you have something to put underneath you.

if you're planning on just being goofy, there's nothing illegal you're doing... but try not to disrupt others.

Don't put people in your cam (other than maybe feet going past to show theres people there) its potentially very illegal....

Cover the lights on your cam with little strips of tape so they dont attract attention.

Don't expose yourself to anyone who hasn't consented. ESPECIALLY SO in a sexual context.

If you're masturbating anywhere where children are often (like a library) be aware if you're caught the sex offender consequences could be FAR worse.. so be careful.




I'd also like people to be aware that its very possible to FAKE a show like this for the thrill of it. I'm NOT saying anyone here does, but just because a girl APPEARS to be squirting all over a booth butt naked in a restraunt does NOT mean that she doesn't OWN the restraunt and has it shut down for the night.. or that she hasn't got a standing arrangement with the owner and a private room.

Don't assume a pizza guy doesn't know what he's getting into (I always get consent first, and I don't think it ruins the show ... i tell them they're delivering pizza to a porn shoot).

Drive thru workers may be a friend.

Streaking spots may be carefully staked out. Passerbys may be friends.

I know of at least one girl who does shows from a public bar - which is actually a bar at a swingers club and nudity is allowed. They've been told they can broadcast as long as no people are shown in their cam.

There are several situations I've been in where i've gone in, spoken to a manager at a restraunt, dropped a REALLY big tip and been shown to an area where I can do something naughty.

Same goes for cab shows - I get in a cab with a known driver, who ive spoken to already about this. I drop big tips + fare.. they are OK with me doing what I do in their back seat.

...so yeah. Just remember that the thrill of public exposure/exhibitionism can be a carefully constructed fantasy... and that you may not know the details of that before you judge a model.

 

[JerryBoBerry]

Some prefer the thrill of doing the deed in an elevator or a department store dressing room.

Gonna need some better excuses to justify poor behavior because anyone who does this is wildly disrespectful and classless.

Ya know it's one thing to express your opinion on a subject, whether it's for or against. But your continued lack of good manners shows you to be a completely rude person and a total boor. You have taken that word you so vehemently wish to assign to models who do library shows and redefined it to simply describe YOU at this point. You are by far the most classless person I've seen since I joined this forum, and that includes Vlad. Get over yourself already. We get you are under the impression you don't like them. But no one really cares anymore, you've overdone it several posts ago. To quote Amber, 'STAHP' already.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

Oh darn JerryBoBerry doesn't like me.

 

[Josie_Sky]

Well, if perving on kickaz during one of her library shows is disrespectful and classless, I don't want to be right.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

Well, if perving on kickaz during one of her library shows is disrespectful and classless, I don't want to be right.

Who said anything about it being wrong to perv on models doing this? If a guy wants to watch these kinds of shows in the privacy of his own home, cool, his choice. I choose not to but don't think the guys that do are being as disrespectful. They aren't the ones using the library to get dudes off on a porn site.

I'll stop posting in this thread before Jerry throws a temper tantrum and says something like "I hate your fucking guts" to me. Yeah he seriously said that to someone on the internet before. haha not even joking, he got so mad at someone on the internet that he said that. Dudes got issues.

 

[AmberCutie]

I'll stop posting in this thread before Jerry throws a temper tantrum and says something like "I hate your fucking guts" to me. Yeah he seriously said that to someone on the internet before. haha not even joking, he got so mad at someone on the internet that he said that. Dudes got issues.

I really do hate when a differing of opinions turns into a flame match. It's pretty ridiculous.

All we have here is opposing opinions on what words should mean, what shows qualify as those words, yadda yadda. So many times when a subject is sensitive to us we jump from a constructive discussion to a fight. It doesn't need to come to that.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

Yeah and to be completely honest, I was only going to stop posting out of respect for you and not wanting to do any more feather ruffling.

 

[AmberCutie]

Yeah and to be completely honest, I was only going to stop posting out of respect for you and not wanting to do any more feather ruffling.

I appreciate that a lot, actually. I know you could go on forever. But I like the fact that while you stand your ground you usually seem to stay calm and use non-inflammatory wording. Not everyone is able to debate or argue a point without involving emotion. It's easy to jump on the defense when someone strikes the wrong chord and I think that's what happens very frequently here. If the calmer person in these situations can just pinpoint when it's time to stop and let the fire die down, it keeps things interesting enough without too many feelings getting hurt (and me having to deal with the fallout.)

 

[JerryBoBerry]

Well, if perving on kickaz during one of her library shows is disrespectful and classless, I don't want to be right.

Who said anything about it being wrong to perv on models doing this? If a guy wants to watch these kinds of shows in the privacy of his own home, cool, his choice. I choose not to but don't think the guys that do are being as disrespectful. They aren't the ones using the library to get dudes off on a porn site.

I'll stop posting in this thread before Jerry throws a temper tantrum and says something like "I hate your fucking guts" to me. Yeah he seriously said that to someone on the internet before. haha not even joking, he got so mad at someone on the internet that he said that. Dudes got issues.

I'm not mad at you in the least. Your entire existence on this earth isn't worth that much effort in my life. I was merely pointing out your extremely rude behavior since you couldn't seem to spot it yourself and kept on repeating it. It's funny you try to twist that around to someone else being angry though. Nice try.

 

[LilyMarie]

Watch out, unpopular opinion coming through.
If you do a library show, it is your job as a model to make sure no men or women (that don't have a model account on MFC) are visible on your cam.

Having them in the background isn't thrilling, fun, exciting or naughty, it just means that you're broadcasting unaware strangers onto an adult site. And that's low and disrespectful. You don't want to be the one responsible for some random dude being known as that guy who accidentally walked through a live broadcast on MFC. If you have a 3 or 4 digit number of people in your room, someone might recognize him, it's not impossible. Especially if your show gets recorded and can be watched over and over again by different people in your region, who could get to download/watch a recording despite the location block of course. And you're going to be the one who's responsible for it; not the guy. Unless he's getting creepily close to you, he won't see your webcam or your screen, and even if he catches a glimpse, it's not his job to realize in time that he's about to be seen on MFC if he accidentally moves in the wrong direction.

It's your task to protect strangers from being seen on your cam, if you decide to do any kind of show in public. I know MFC doesn't really give a shit about non-models/guys on cam as long as no faces are clearly seen, but be a good person and position yourself with your computer and cam in a way that no people can be seen walking by. I'm positive that that can be done.

When I watch a library show and I see someone in the chat saying "lol look at that guy over there", or I can clearly see a guy or girl walking by, I don't think that's very fun. I get a bad feeling instead. I know if I didn't have any connections to camming at all, I wouldn't want to accidentally be broadcast on a camming site to tons of people on the internet.

 

[candyblues_mfc]

Mfc is not a porn site. It's adult oriented yes, but I personally wouldn't consider it a porn site.

lol

whilst half the girls on MFC shove giant toys in various orifices several times a day.

This is still way more classy than going to a public place. At least they have the decency and maturity to respect others and keep that shit private.

Library shows seem like a monkey see monkey do type situation. Model A did it and made money from it so every other model does the same thing. Some models are willing to do anything for money I guess.

I didn't mean to like that.

Firstly discussing and using the word "class" to me is pretty duh hummmb. It suggests that there are wrong and right ways to show off your body, where really its just snobbishness. Though I agree that it could be seen as disrespectful to do public shows, I don't think "class" is the right word .

I actually don't think this is worth me writing as pretty much everyone has covered my points.

However, and this is a separate issue, it does make me wonder how aware of people are in their daily lives of getting caught on cam...I'm from the Uk we have cctv everywhere....Do I consent to that? No. Wheres my choice? I resent the fact I can't walk down certain streets, drink coffee or anything without being recorded.

Big fat whatever anyway.

I do public shows, I try my very best NOT to have anyone on cam. I don't want to be caught, so I try to be as sly as possible, I don't plan on exposing myself to people without consent either, I know thats creepy.

Public shows are fun, I like the rush, I like the fact I don't know how well/bad it will go. I did a train show on New Years day and I had the most fun ever. I'm not sorry if someone on a passing by train saw my boobs, meh, people should get over the shock factor.

Anyway, la la la. The classiness issue is just a big fat slut shaming word and I don't like it.

YOLO, let your bobs run free bb's just don't do nastiness in front of kids.

peace out

:handgestures-salute:

 

[Deleted member 8603]

I don't know if anyone has said this because I didn't feel like reading arguments.

But I hope the show went well for you and you had a good time! :-D

 

[AllisonWilder]

Public shows are fun, I like the rush, I like the fact I don't know how well/bad it will go. I did a train show on New Years day and I had the most fun ever. I'm not sorry if someone on a passing by train saw my boobs, meh, people should get over the shock factor.

Anyway, la la la. The classiness issue is just a big fat slut shaming word and I don't like it.

YOLO, let your bobs run free bb's just don't do nastiness in front of kids.

I completely agree with not doing anything in front of kids, obviously, but how in an uncontrolled environment, like on a train where there are other passerby trains, can you contain that? I mean, kids can be passengers on trains, yes?

I'm pretty indifferent to public shows in general, but I just don't feel like people should have to get over the shock value of random boobage in public.

 

[candyblues_mfc]

Public shows are fun, I like the rush, I like the fact I don't know how well/bad it will go. I did a train show on New Years day and I had the most fun ever. I'm not sorry if someone on a passing by train saw my boobs, meh, people should get over the shock factor.

Anyway, la la la. The classiness issue is just a big fat slut shaming word and I don't like it.

YOLO, let your bobs run free bb's just don't do nastiness in front of kids.

I completely agree with not doing anything in front of kids, obviously, but how in an uncontrolled environment, like on a train where there are other passerby trains, can you contain that? I mean, kids can be passengers on trains, yes?

I'm pretty indifferent to public shows in general, but I just don't feel like people should have to get over the shock value of random boobage in public.

Thats very true, what I meant there was more an off hand comment of WHATEVER, realistically yes their could be children on a passing train who for a milli second saw my boob. They might be scared for life. Especially if they only ever got bottle fed! Even more realistically I actually did very very little full on boobage in that particular show, I also had someone with me to make sure the chances of someone looking was unlikely.

I guess my attitude towards that comes from the fact that its "just" my boobs...I find it insulting that men can walk around in the summer topless, yet I can't. In the UK your quite likely to be hassled by the police. That offends and worries me a lot more than a child seeing a breast. This is a slightly different subject though, and not really linked to public camming, because the nature of MFC is SEXUAL. So I'm not really using that for my argument.

On that note I'll also say I do public shows mostly because a) I get bored easily and they are more fun b) they make more money. I need money. :roll:

 

[Starling]

Yeah and to be completely honest, I was only going to stop posting out of respect for you and not wanting to do any more feather ruffling.

I appreciate that a lot, actually. I know you could go on forever. But I like the fact that while you stand your ground you usually seem to stay calm and use non-inflammatory wording.

I think intentionally and openly insulting insulting an entire group of women on this forum by trying to argue that they are "classless" isn't calm and non-inflammatory. He could've opted to argue that shows like that are disrespectful, problematic, or not sexy to him. But instead, he belligerently stuck to a fallacy-mounted conclusion that the models who do library shows- as PEOPLE, not the shows we're doing- are not "classy," and desperately doing anything for money. These are character judgments, and entirely personal, arbitrary ones at that. He doesn't seem to understand that his position isn't objective, that his assessment isn't universal, or that simply repeating his point over and over without any reasoning does not an argument make. So it is very hurtful to me that you are congratulating him for his attitude while he rudely debases a big chunk of your fellow models.

Gonna need some better excuses to justify poor behavior because anyone who does this is wildly disrespectful and classless.

YOU accused an entire group of women of being decidedly lesser than everyone else. YOU'RE doing the slut-shaming, which means the burden of proof is on you and YOU need to justify your position; not the other way around. This is rhetoric 101.

The part that upsets me the most about this is that you don't seem to understand that your particular distaste for library shows could literally be replaced with any other kind of show- anal, girl/girl, etc. I've encountered people who are fine with MFC in theory but show incredible disdain toward the women who do those sorts of shows, acting as though there is something morally different about them that makes them unacceptable. It's ridiculous.

Of course, showing other people on cam, revealing yourself to unwilling participants (ESPECIALLY children), harming property that's not yours, and/or disrupting the public space of others IS disrespectful. But I do library shows, and I never do any of those things. EVER. And as Lolli mentioned, I am able to position myself such that I know I never will. This is my point. Those kinds of shows are disrespectful, sure- but extrapolating that into some universal statement about all library shows, and, moreover, the character of women who do them, is very ignorant and extremely unfair.

 

[ThePrincessLuxy]

I don't know if anyone has said this because I didn't feel like reading arguments.

But I hope the show went well for you and you had a good time! :-D

Thank you! I did have a good time.

To clarify I was in a booth/cubicle the entire time and never had anyone on cam. There was no masturbation and only flashes and being goofy down the aisles or in my seat. And I would never purposely expose myself to anyone. I did not do this for more money, considering I made about the same as I would at home (actually less!); I just wanted to try something new to see if I liked it, and to also change things up a bit for my viewers, especially since they know I am a full time university student and talk about school a lot. I think they really appreciated the effort.