Tips for premium MFC members (how to be great!)

[mynameisbob84]

Plus, is the foundation for any dom/sub relationship not respect? Respect for one another's boundaries, likes, dislikes, safety etc. Without the mutual respect, it would just be an abusive relationship, surely.

 

[Evvie]

Men try to come in to my room at treat me with disrespect every day, because they know about my role in the lifestyle and they think that it is "appropriate". I end up banning a lot of guys exactly like flr who think that because they watch a little bondage porn and spend time in bdsm chatrooms that they have a free pass to disrespect submissive women. This kind of behavior makes all of us look bad and, quite frankly, is laughable.

Some girls like public humiliation. I don't understand it and it is not my thing but it is there. Just because you do not like it does not mean there are girls out there who do not... as for expecting a client who may be paying $30.00/minute to thank a girl who can make $19.00+/minute to do a fetish scene for her services... give me a break. It's not enough that some of these guys go out and get a second job to help you pay your rent? isn't that thanks enough? They have to bow down and thank you for making their wallet lighter?

Normally btw.. it is the client who is thanked in the real world - esp. if they may potentially dish out that much cash.

-f

i love public humiliation. i love being called a whore, cunt, fuck doll, slut, cum dumpster, fuck toy, etc. i'm also a submissive in real life, have been on Fetlife for years, live with my Dominant, and enjoy public play.

In my mfc chat room, i enjoy being used and humiliated within my boundaries in public chat. With all of that said, when someone calls me those names without getting to know me politely first, i ban them. In my opinion (which i know is shared by many), dominants should be respectful and make sure they have your consent to degrade or humiliate you first before doing so, on cam and in person. Just please be careful when you're taking the temperature of a room. Even if the model is enjoying being talked down to, it may only be by people who have proven their worth first.

I was thinking about you and Lolli when I made that post up thar :whistle:

You said exactly what I was trying to, Sophia.

There is a big difference between a lady engaging in humiliation *within her boundaries* and a man trotting up and saying, "well goodness, here's a submissive lady, I guess it's time to treat her like a sub-human" without any further consideration.

I follow the blog of a pornographic model who engages in what I would consider to be VERY degrading, humiliating, and objectifying activities. Someone sent her a message saying, "what's the most degrading sex you've ever had?" she replied, "sex never degrades me."

There is a difference between what is felt within play periods and boundaries, and walking up to a model and disrespecting her. I can feel used, humiliated and even worthless during a play scene - but I would never feel comfortable playing with a person who doesn't respect me as a person. There is a difference between, "I see that you are a submissive lady, so here is some dominant talk," and, "I see you are a submissive lady, so fuck you, you don't deserve respect like a normal human being does."

 

[flr666]

Re: This that all premiums should know

and that you are proud to say you would never pay a cam model, why are you even here?

Poser? lol. I was comparing chat room to chat room.. not chat room to rl like you were. As for your opinion on my sexual history I personally don't care.

As for what I am doing here? Research for a contract. Rigging a cam studio to be precise. I am doing due diligence.

And I do not expect a 'please' or 'thank you' from my client - I expect to get paid. That is thanks enough for me!

 

[Jessi]

Re: This that all premiums should know

and that you are proud to say you would never pay a cam model, why are you even here?

Poser? lol. I was comparing chat room to chat room.. not chat room to rl like you were. As for your opinion on my sexual history I personally don't care.

As for what I am doing here? Research for a contract. Rigging a cam studio to be precise. I am doing due diligence.

And I do not expect a 'please' or 'thank you' from my client - I expect to get paid. That is thanks enough for me!

I feel so sorry for any girls who end up working for someone with so little respect for them.

 

[flr666]

In my mfc chat room, i enjoy being used and humiliated within my boundaries in public chat. With all of that said, when someone calls me those names without getting to know me politely first, i ban them. In my opinion (which i know is shared by many), dominants should be respectful and make sure they have your consent to degrade or humiliate you first before doing so, on cam and in person. Just please be careful when you're taking the temperature of a room. Even if the model is enjoying being talked down to, it may only be by people who have proven their worth first.

I never said anything about barging into a chat room hurling insults at models.... WOOOAAAAH lol. I also explicitly stated it is best to lurk and idle for awhile before saying ANYTHING. But srsly bebe.. what would really think of a guy who thanked you after a performance?

-f

 

[VeronicaChaos]

In my mfc chat room, i enjoy being used and humiliated within my boundaries in public chat. With all of that said, when someone calls me those names without getting to know me politely first, i ban them. In my opinion (which i know is shared by many), dominants should be respectful and make sure they have your consent to degrade or humiliate you first before doing so, on cam and in person. Just please be careful when you're taking the temperature of a room. Even if the model is enjoying being talked down to, it may only be by people who have proven their worth first.

I never said anything about barging into a chat room hurling insults at models.... WOOOAAAAH lol. I also explicitly stated it is best to lurk and idle for awhile before saying ANYTHING. But srsly bebe.. what would really think of a guy who thanked you after a performance?

-f

That he was respectful, and not so cheap/poor that he had to end the private as soon as he came. The guys that say "thank you" tend to also be the guys that allow me to masturbate on my own and do whatever gets me off best without instruction, and they generally have a higher working knowledge of sex and anatomy.

Edit: At least in my experience.

 

[Evvie]

In my mfc chat room, i enjoy being used and humiliated within my boundaries in public chat. With all of that said, when someone calls me those names without getting to know me politely first, i ban them. In my opinion (which i know is shared by many), dominants should be respectful and make sure they have your consent to degrade or humiliate you first before doing so, on cam and in person. Just please be careful when you're taking the temperature of a room. Even if the model is enjoying being talked down to, it may only be by people who have proven their worth first.

I never said anything about barging into a chat room hurling insults at models.... WOOOAAAAH lol. I also explicitly stated it is best to lurk and idle for awhile before saying ANYTHING. But srsly bebe.. what would really think of a guy who thanked you after a performance?

-f

I would think, "wow, a polite man. How nice!"

You seem to think that courtesy is a sign of weakness.

Courtesy is actually just... courtesy. That children are taught. It's not a hard concept.

I both like polite men more and am more willing to do shows with them in the future. Regardless of how much a man pays me, I would rather spend my time with a regular man who doesn't treat etiquette as a battleground.

 

[flr666]

Re: This that all premiums should know

I feel so sorry for any girls who end up working for someone with so little respect for them.

I have plenty of respect for her. That is why I do not expect her to say 'please' or 'thank you'.

I don't pay cam girls hun. They pay me. I have plenty of respect for the craft but I am not about to blow the $$$ they pay me on other camgirls... helloooo?!?!?

And if any of you whiners have a better photo than the one to the left I would love to see it.

Part of being a professional is not expecting to be 'thanked'. If you get asked to do it again - that IS a 'Thank You'

-f

 

[LaceyRoyce]

Re: This that all premiums should know

and that you are proud to say you would never pay a cam model, why are you even here?

Poser? lol. I was comparing chat room to chat room.. not chat room to rl like you were. As for your opinion on my sexual history I personally don't care.

As for what I am doing here? Research for a contract. Rigging a cam studio to be precise. I am doing due diligence.

And I do not expect a 'please' or 'thank you' from my client - I expect to get paid. That is thanks enough for me!

I am lucky enough to be able to afford to pick and choose my clients. I have built my reputation and fanbase enough that I can demand respect from them. And if they don't wish to give it, they can move along and I am none the poorer. Actually, I do better. I once allowed a 'dominant' who had large tips to disrespect and bully me for several months. MFC is a social site, and because I was not comfortable, my room was no longer a comfortable place to hang out. I felt like, as long as he was paying me large tips, I didn't have the right to demand that he treat me differently or leave. I lost fans, the vibe was off..and when it eventually escalated and I finally banned him, my room picked up and I made more money than ever before.

I have learned that lesson well.


I can't really think of any privates that have not thanked me afterwards? Except negative ones that were bad experiences, which will not be repeated.

 

[LaceyRoyce]

Re: This that all premiums should know

I feel so sorry for any girls who end up working for someone with so little respect for them.

I have plenty of respect for her. That is why I do not expect her to say 'please' or 'thank you'.

I don't pay cam girls hun. They pay me. I have plenty of respect for the craft but I am not about to blow the $$$ they pay me on other camgirls... helloooo?!?!?

-f

... good luck with your studio, with that attitude.
I would not work for you.

 

[flr666]

Re: This that all premiums should know

... good luck with your studio, with that attitude.
I would not work for you.

It is a personal studio. No one is working for me. i work for the girl.

Your loss anyway.. I have 30 years in the movie industry. I guess a lot of my 'attitude' stems from actually being a professional.

 

[mynameisbob84]

Did I miss some kind of "manners ain't cool" cool kid edict or something? Since when have the most basic of manners been something to eschew in accordance with this hip, new code of conduct I'm only just hearing about?

 

[flr666]

Did I miss some kind of "manners ain't cool" cool kid edict or something? Since when have the most basic of manners been something to eschew in accordance with this hip, new code of conduct I'm only just hearing about?

There is nothing wrong with manners. DEMANDING a 'please' and 'thank you' from a high paying client is amateur.

Also, rude imo.

-f

 

[Evvie]

Re: This that all premiums should know

I feel so sorry for any girls who end up working for someone with so little respect for them.

I have plenty of respect for her. That is why I do not expect her to say 'please' or 'thank you'.

I don't pay cam girls hun. They pay me. I have plenty of respect for the craft but I am not about to blow the $$$ they pay me on other camgirls... helloooo?!?!?

And if any of you whiners have a better photo than the one to the left I would love to see it.

Part of being a professional is not expecting to be 'thanked'. If you get asked to do it again - that IS a 'Thank You'

-f

:text-nocomment:

(and he calls himself professional :lol: )

 

[mynameisbob84]

Did I miss some kind of "manners ain't cool" cool kid edict or something? Since when have the most basic of manners been something to eschew in accordance with this hip, new code of conduct I'm only just hearing about?

There is nothing wrong with manners. DEMANDING a 'please' and 'thank you' from a high paying client is amateur.

Also, rude imo.

-f

Who is demanding things?

And what relevance does your avatar have to this discussion?

 

[Anonymous]

All together now!

 

[flr666]

Plus, is the foundation for any dom/sub relationship not respect? Respect for one another's boundaries, likes, dislikes, safety etc. Without the mutual respect, it would just be an abusive relationship, surely.

Yeah the Subby is the real Dom. They are very demanding - which is why I do not date girls like that any more ;-)

'Tie me up! Tie me down!'

blah

-f

 

[Jessi]

You attract more flies with honey than with vinegar. This person has to be a troll, there is no way anyone actually thinks this like this- thanking someone is rude? Theres just no way. Oh, and we're ugly too, so that has something something to do with our opinions.

 

[VeronicaChaos]

In my experience, the guys that don't say thank you are usually not high paying customers lol. Guys with money have enough to spend a dollar to type "thanks".

 

[LaceyRoyce]

Plus, is the foundation for any dom/sub relationship not respect? Respect for one another's boundaries, likes, dislikes, safety etc. Without the mutual respect, it would just be an abusive relationship, surely.

Yeah the Subby is the real Dom. They are very demanding - which is why I do not date girls like that any more ;-)

'Tie me up! Tie me down!'

blah

-f

What you're describing is generally defined as a "bottom". A bottom, could be a dominant who likes pain.

As a 24/7 slave, after 2 years of slowly going deeper into submission to my Master, we are now without limits or safewords ... I sincerely beg to differ. I have systematically been giving up all control.

In a situation where I'm working on cam, I 'top from the bottom' with almost all my regulars without shame. I am not interested in giving any real control to members on the site. Over time trust has grown with one or two to where I can do so.

Professionals have a respectful way of phrasing things (like the way I've been speaking to you this whole time). You don't.

 

[flr666]

And what relevance does your avatar have to this discussion?

It is an example of my work and why I do not pay models ;-) I work tirelessly to make women gorgeous on camera and I really do not need to be lectured on 'respect' for models - esp. if they have shitty pictures.

As for my 'attitude' it is my birthday. It's my birthday so I can troll if I want to. I only have 20 years experience as an internet troll lol.

 

[flr666]

You attract more flies with honey than with vinegar. This person has to be a troll, there is no way anyone actually thinks this like this- thanking someone is rude? Theres just no way. Oh, and we're ugly too, so that has something something to do with our opinions.

Of course I was trolling a bit. I am not trying to attract anyone. I am exclusive to my client.

But I do think it is silly to expect a client to say 'please' and 'thank you' not only silly but unprofessional in the extreme.

-f

 

[Evvie]

And what relevance does your avatar have to this discussion?

It is an example of my work and why I do not pay models ;-) I work tirelessly to make women gorgeous on camera and I really do not need to be lectured on 'respect' for models - esp. if they have shitty pictures.

As for my 'attitude' it is my birthday. It's my birthday so I can troll if I want to. I only have 20 years experience as an internet troll lol.

A badly framed, badly lit, badly edited photo of a woman holding a toy gun to the side like a gangsta does not constitute "gorgeous", my friend.

You are an immature kid who just turned 20 and thinks that his amateur photography is an excuse for bad behavior. Suck it up, sweetheart. You aren't all that.

 

[mynameisbob84]

And what relevance does your avatar have to this discussion?

It is an example of my work and why I do not pay models ;-) I work tirelessly to make women gorgeous on camera and I really do not need to be lectured on 'respect' for models - esp. if they have shitty pictures.

As for my 'attitude' it is my birthday. It's my birthday so I can troll if I want to. I only have 20 years experience as an internet troll lol.

Shit me, I've got so much to learn...

*whips out notepad and pen*

Being able to set up a lighting rig and photograph a person to a competent standard precludes having respect for anybody who posts an image of themselves to the internet that wasn't photographed by a professional

Being a professional means that basic manners are beneath you

Okay, I'm learning...

 

[Nordling]

And what relevance does your avatar have to this discussion?

It is an example of my work and why I do not pay models ;-) I work tirelessly to make women gorgeous on camera and I really do not need to be lectured on 'respect' for models - esp. if they have shitty pictures.

As for my 'attitude' it is my birthday. It's my birthday so I can troll if I want to. I only have 20 years experience as an internet troll lol.

A badly framed, badly lit, badly edited photo of a woman holding a toy gun to the side like a gangsta does not constitute "gorgeous", my friend.

You are an immature kid who just turned 20 and thinks that his amateur photography is an excuse for bad behavior. Suck it up, sweetheart. You aren't all that.

Thanks! The picture was so shitty I couldn't even figure out what that was. lol

 

[Shaun__]

And what relevance does your avatar have to this discussion?

It is an example of my work and why I do not pay models ;-) I work tirelessly to make women gorgeous on camera and I really do not need to be lectured on 'respect' for models - esp. if they have shitty pictures.

As for my 'attitude' it is my birthday. It's my birthday so I can troll if I want to. I only have 20 years experience as an internet troll lol.

Two quick questions. Why didn't you use a real gun? Why does the link on your profile lead to a spam type site.

 

[Evvie]

And what relevance does your avatar have to this discussion?

It is an example of my work and why I do not pay models ;-) I work tirelessly to make women gorgeous on camera and I really do not need to be lectured on 'respect' for models - esp. if they have shitty pictures.

As for my 'attitude' it is my birthday. It's my birthday so I can troll if I want to. I only have 20 years experience as an internet troll lol.

Two quick questions. Why didn't you use a real gun? Why does the link on your profile lead to a spam type site.

He mistyped the URL.

It's supposed to lead to a blog that features mostly reblogged stuff about artists, and what I really really really really really hope isn't his "professional" work that's clearly taken with a $20 Walmart camera that timestamps photos like it's 1995.

 

[VeronicaChaos]

He typoed tumblr.. :lol: This is his amazing photography: http://malezia.tumblr.com/ :?

Edit: Evvie beat me to it! And laid down better smackdown than me.

I'mnotworthy!

 

[Jessi]

I'm going to start neglecting manners in my day-to-day interactions. Because I'm not trying to attract anyone. I'll get back to you all on how this serves me professionally and in the real world.

 

[LaceyRoyce]

Heh, this guy just pmed me with a link to an IMDB profile that he states is his (with his real name) with a list of high profile movies he's worked as an electrician on.

Either: Trolling with a fake profile.
or... a little reckless to associate his real name with comments like the ones he's been making.

*washes her hands of this icky character*