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Perhaps we got off on the wrong foot; if so, I'm sorry I misunderstood you, Red.
I guess what I'm wondering is why it's necessary to tell someone you don't find them attractive? You may not realize this but it comes across as very tactless (and, yes, rude.) Why say, "I'm don't find you attractive but you sure are cute!" when you could just say, "You sure are cute!" It's considered to be a back-handed compliment. Many people are already insecure enough without hearing, "Your body type is unattractive."
Can you keep your psychoses to your self please, calling the subject of this thread young and skinny is like calling water wet. A rude and hurtful opinion would be the thread title.
You mean like "Sorry doll, you're far to young and skinny for me to find you attractive, but you're still cute as all fuck though " I say things like that to cam models and my friends all the time. Its got nothing to do with manners, I reserve manners for assholes I don''t actually like.
She is a cute little thing, but far to young and skinny for me to find attractive, though obviously others do. Kick on the other hand is a adult woman of exception beauty and style even by MFC's standards
It's easy to compliment someone without giving a backhanded compliment to another. Can you imagine how it would sound to say "but far too old and fat for me to find attractive." While it might be true, some things are better left unsaid. :twocents-02cents:
Agreed. This is a girl who has people in her room mockingly asking if she has anorexia on the daily. You just said she's too [insert passive aggressive backhanded compliment here] for your taste, then talked about Kick like her beauty is objective. No beauty is objective, so really your comment had no purpose but to put Kat down, which is pretty awful IMHO because it doesn't seem she browses these forums and therefore can't even defend herself.
I may be mistaken but I think I saw recently on Kat's twitter that she was thankful that she was even number 4 after such a short time. I honestly think she just became too wrapped up in the heat of the competition because it all happened so fast. When everything calmed down, she had a moment to actually think about her situation. As stated earlier in this forum, Kat is working massive hours, and this past week she's been finding ways to entertain her room on Shark Week when she's been running a room that almost always ends with a masturbation show. She's tired and she's bound to make mistakes. If she said something uncalled for about Kick then she should be called out for it, and I do hope she apologizes if she did that, but titling the callout post "spoiled fucking brat" implies that you are in a position to judge her character, not just her outburst. You revealed yourself that you are not in that position.
I've never really been in her room before and now I have no desire to ever see her again.
A temper tantrum or anything of the sort in front of 600+ viewers is unprofessional and putting another model down is unacceptable, but sorry I just don't think your judgement is fair. Snapping and saying awful things after working ridiculous hours for several weeks and sleeping 4 or less hours a day is not brat behavior; it's what many adults would do. It was a mistake, and obviously not how she regularly acts. I just think that a model take-down post requires a really awful doing having been committed. And you shouldn't be surprised that other models are defending her or even making excuses for her because we're in a line of work where a lack of solidarity can get someone literally murdered.
I may be mistaken but I think I saw recently on Kat's twitter that she was thankful that she was even number 4 after such a short time. I honestly think she just became too wrapped up in the heat of the competition because it all happened so fast. When everything calmed down, she had a moment to actually think about her situation. As stated earlier in this forum, Kat is working massive hours, and this past week she's been finding ways to entertain her room on Shark Week when she's been running a room that almost always ends with a masturbation show. She's tired and she's bound to make mistakes. If she said something uncalled for about Kick then she should be called out for it, and I do hope she apologizes if she did that
Totally agree with you there. I honestly hope this was just a bad night and not indicative of her in general. I hope she does apologize. And I wish her well in the future.
PrincessArwen said:
but titling the callout post "spoiled fucking brat" implies that you are in a position to judge her character, not just her outburst. You revealed yourself that you are not in that position.
Uhm, no it doesn't imply what you stated. That's your twisted interpretation and it's wrong. I merely stated what I saw. People can totally be 'judged' for outbursts. Why not? And that is all defined fairly well in my OP, and in the topic.
PrincessArwen said:
A temper tantrum or anything of the sort in front of 600+ viewers is unprofessional and putting another model down is unacceptable, but sorry I just don't think your judgement is fair.
Fair enough. You're entitled to your opinion. Since you didn't see the outburst and I did, my position hasn't changed.
PrincessArwen said:
Snapping and saying awful things after working ridiculous hours for several weeks and sleeping 4 or less hours a day is not brat behavior; it's what many adults would do. It was a mistake, and obviously not how she regularly acts. I just think that a model take-down post requires a really awful doing having been committed.
People are judged for less. And they're fired every day for a lot less. A simple post on a forum is nothing.
PrincessArwen said:
And you shouldn't be surprised that other models are defending her or even making excuses for her because we're in a line of work where a lack of solidarity can get someone literally murdered.
I honestly expected it. However I haven't seen much of it. Couple posts defending her. But far less than I expected. I think sticking to the facts like i did helped. As for the making excuses for her. I ignore all of them. People can excuse away that kind behavior all day long, but that generally says more about their character than mine.
Perhaps we got off on the wrong foot; if so, I'm sorry I misunderstood you, Red.
I guess what I'm wondering is why it's necessary to tell someone you don't find them attractive? You may not realize this but it comes across as very tactless (and, yes, rude.) Why say, "I'm don't find you attractive but you sure are cute!" when you could just say, "You sure are cute!" It's considered to be a back-handed compliment. Many people are already insecure enough without hearing, "Your body type is unattractive."
And not giving them a reason why you won't be coming back to their room is better? Leaving out half the comment might leave them wondering why you didn't come back, and people will assume the worst. She is so thin and looks about 14, so its hardly going to be a surprise. One of my friends was telling me what her fiance said to her while she was dressing for an interview. "No red lipstick and heels for you, your going there on your competence, not trying to be more sexy that women 40 years younger" (she's 68 and her boyfriend 74). She said it was something of an epiphany as she didn't even realise she was doing it. She still wears heels and red lipstick when we go out though, as our perceptions are not those of a 30 something recruiter.
I worked out a long time ago that just being honest with people is a lot simpler and and less stressful. I have a lot of girl friends for that reason. I also get asked the damnedest questions because they know they are going to get a straight answer
Perhaps we got off on the wrong foot; if so, I'm sorry I misunderstood you, Red.
I guess what I'm wondering is why it's necessary to tell someone you don't find them attractive? You may not realize this but it comes across as very tactless (and, yes, rude.) Why say, "I'm don't find you attractive but you sure are cute!" when you could just say, "You sure are cute!" It's considered to be a back-handed compliment. Many people are already insecure enough without hearing, "Your body type is unattractive."
And not giving them a reason why you won't be coming back to their room is better? Leaving out half the comment might leave them wondering why you didn't come back, and people will assume the worst. She is so thin and looks about 14, so its hardly going to be a surprise
It'd be different if she messaged you and said, "Look, Red, I really want you to be brutally honest with me... why won't you be coming back to my room?" Or even if you said on here, "Yeah I like her room but her music is a little too loud for me!" Unlike your example, she cannot change what age she looks or how thin she is so criticizing her for those two things is kind of pointless and that's the reason why people think it's rude. I doubt a girl who made #3 her 3rd month on MFC is even going to care why one dude isn't coming back to her room anyhow so you could have just complimented Kick and left it at that. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I doubt a girl who made #3 her 3rd month on MFC is even going to care why one dude isn't coming back to her room anyhow so you could have just complimented Kick and left it at that. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Perhaps we got off on the wrong foot; if so, I'm sorry I misunderstood you, Red.
I guess what I'm wondering is why it's necessary to tell someone you don't find them attractive? You may not realize this but it comes across as very tactless (and, yes, rude.) Why say, "I'm don't find you attractive but you sure are cute!" when you could just say, "You sure are cute!" It's considered to be a back-handed compliment. Many people are already insecure enough without hearing, "Your body type is unattractive."
And not giving them a reason why you won't be coming back to their room is better? Leaving out half the comment might leave them wondering why you didn't come back, and people will assume the worst. She is so thin and looks about 14, so its hardly going to be a surprise
It'd be different if she messaged you and said, "Look, Red, I really want you to be brutally honest with me... why won't you be coming back to my room?" Or even if you said on here, "Yeah I like her room but her music is a little too loud for me!" Unlike your example, she cannot change what age she looks or how thin she is so criticizing her for those two things is kind of pointless and that's the reason why people think it's rude. I doubt a girl who made #3 her 3rd month on MFC is even going to care why one dude isn't coming back to her room anyhow so you could have just complimented Kick and left it at that. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
And again your tiny insecure brain is wailing away that I've insulted the girl by stating the obvious, but its ok to to do exactly the same thing by saying my opinion, amongst the hundreds of other members who like her, doesn't matter. This is also an insult, and stating the obvious, but apparently its ok to attack my self esteem. I'm expected to understand that my opinion is a minority and that I really should not dare to voice one.
No its not, but you are too up yourself to know what I was inferring, your psychoses make you assume its some sort of depreciating comment about the girl in question, when it wasn't. Your ignorance does you credit.
I reserve manners for assholes I don''t actually like.
(...) "far to young and skinny for me to find attractive"
(...) "Can you keep your psychoses to your self please"
(...) "your psychoses make you assume its some sort of depreciating comment about the girl in question, when it wasn't. Your ignorance does you credit."
(...) "How about the people who aren't attracted to someone who looks 14?"
(...) "a bunch of women who take everything as an implied slight found it rude and insulting, no matter its intent, is hardly surprising."
(...) "She is so thin and looks about 14"
(...) "your tiny insecure brain is wailing away"
Perhaps we got off on the wrong foot; if so, I'm sorry I misunderstood you, Red.
I guess what I'm wondering is why it's necessary to tell someone you don't find them attractive? You may not realize this but it comes across as very tactless (and, yes, rude.) Why say, "I'm don't find you attractive but you sure are cute!" when you could just say, "You sure are cute!" It's considered to be a back-handed compliment. Many people are already insecure enough without hearing, "Your body type is unattractive."
And not giving them a reason why you won't be coming back to their room is better? Leaving out half the comment might leave them wondering why you didn't come back, and people will assume the worst. She is so thin and looks about 14, so its hardly going to be a surprise
It'd be different if she messaged you and said, "Look, Red, I really want you to be brutally honest with me... why won't you be coming back to my room?" Or even if you said on here, "Yeah I like her room but her music is a little too loud for me!" Unlike your example, she cannot change what age she looks or how thin she is so criticizing her for those two things is kind of pointless and that's the reason why people think it's rude. I doubt a girl who made #3 her 3rd month on MFC is even going to care why one dude isn't coming back to her room anyhow so you could have just complimented Kick and left it at that. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
And again your tiny insecure brain is wailing away that I've insulted the girl by stating the obvious, but its ok to to do exactly the same thing by saying my opinion, amongst the hundreds of other members who like her, doesn't matter. This is also an insult, and stating the obvious, but apparently its ok to attack my self esteem. I'm expected to understand that my opinion is a minority and that I really should not dare to voice one.
Why don't you get out of here, Red? Honestly no one needs this shit from you when no one else has spoken like that. All Audrey has done is defend a model which is to be expected in a setting like this.
I have refrained from posting anything about this topic, but I will go ahead and give my thoughts on the matter.
First of all, the model in question is breaking out of the mold. Yes, she's doing things that are commonly frowned upon. Now, whether we agree with her insulting other models or creating drama is beside the point. What matters is that it is obviously working for her. She's making bank. Think of it as the politicians that slander their competitors' reputations. It is a shitty thing to do (in my opinion), but there's no denying that it IS profitable. The only people who it actually affects are the other models she's mentioning. And Kickaz has already stated that while she doesn't condone that behavior in her room, the other model's actions have actually favored her. There's no sense in continuing to discuss her "shit-stirring" if you don't want to promote her. If you don't like her actions, don't go to her room.
Secondly, pedophilia-related content under spoiler, just in case.
There has been talk of the model encouraging or allowing pedophilia-related conversations in her room. This is an extremely sensitive subject to most people. And while we're not going to get started on the "age-play VS pedophilia" topic, everyone should keep in mind that MFC does NOT have a rule relating to discussing pedophilia. Of course, children are not allowed on cam, but there are no rules that deliberately prohibit her (or the members) talking about sex with minors. I do, however, think that if the admins received enough complaints (with screencaps/recordings) of one person (member or model), they might end up sending a warning message or even altering the rules.
I am NOT encouraging anyone to report anything. I am merely saying that it maybe, possibly, could happen if it really bothered enough people.
I, personally, do not wish to see that kind of behavior, so I have not visited her room since the first time. I suggest you do the same if it bothers you.
Thirdly, we are all allowed to have opinions. We are all allowed to speak those opinions (yay, freedom of speech!). However, it is always best to keep in mind that your opinion might not be the same as others and that's ok. What's NOT ok is to be insulting, abusive, or hostile towards them. There have been quite a few posts in this thread alone attacking others for their opinions/statements. It is possible to state your opinion without attacking others.
This topic was started because Jerry disliked the tantrum that he witnessed. There is a difference between pointing out a behavior and insulting her physical attributes. Red, you say you weren't trying to be insulting, but this:
Red7227 said:
Kick on the other hand is a adult woman of exception beauty and style...
is exactly what makes it an insult. You're exactly right when you said that saying she was young and skinny is not an insult. It's not, it's fact. However, when paired with the sentence above, it is. Because it is saying that she is NOT a woman of beauty and style. It's all in the way you word things as to how they come across. And the majority of other people who have pointed this out to you were not insulting YOU AS A PERSON, they were explaining how to better phrase things in the future. And it is not ok to insult them back (I was going to quote your many insults to each person here, but I don't have the patience for that).
This is a very popular public forum. There is a very good chance that the model in question is already signed up here or will in the future. I'm sure we can continue this debate (if there's really a need for it after all) in a more civil manner if we all try. (I really hope that doesn't come across as condescending; I just want everyone to be able to speak their minds without being attacked.)
Can you keep your psychoses to your self please, calling the subject of this thread young and skinny is like calling water wet. A rude and hurtful opinion would be the thread title.
Why? Stating the obvious is some how offensive? How about the people who aren't attracted to someone who looks 14? If anything my comment was more an insult to the members who find this model attractive. That a bunch of women who take everything as an implied slight found it rude and insulting, no matter its intent, is hardly surprising.
This seems like a weird double standard. It somehow is vaguely ok to call a model "a spoiled fucking brat", but not ok to call her "cute little thing, but far to young and skinny for me to find attractive," :? I haven't spent enough time in Katsumi room to render an opinion about her personality, but spoiled and brat are insults. It seems a bit unfair since she isn't on the forum nor evidently are her many fans. On the other hand JBB has said the behavior crossed the line and he think she deserves to called out.
But calling her young and skinny isn't an opinion it is a fact. At 18 she is barely old enough to legally cam, and I'd be willing to bet big bucks that her BMI falls into the low end of normal weight or more likely the underweight category. Nor are they always insults, in fact I dare say most models would much rather be called young and skinny than old and fat.
There is nothing backhanded by this compliment " Kick on the other hand is a adult woman of exception beauty and style even by MFC's standards"
But if people are going be offended on behalf of other people (I practice I find damn annoying) than the let's be offended for the right reasons. Does anybody really think that if Katsumi reads this thread the thing that is going be most offensive is being called skinny and young, or even being told she has less style than Kickaz?
If I call a girl a skinny bitch, and she calls me fat asshole, skinny and fat, should not be considered the primary insult.
Plus if Kat continues get Miss MFC #3, she'll be a great example of the saying "No woman can ever be too rich or too thin"
I agree with everyone who finds backhanded comments unneccessary and hurtful of course, and that doesn't need to be repeated, but I additionally noticed this weird detail -
How was that 'obvious'? What you said about both Katsumi's and Kickaz' looks is based on personal taste. None of it is obvious. They're mere opinions. It's not like you said 1+1=2.
It's rude enough to directly state your negative opinion on a person's appearance (unless you're somebody who casts models for a living, or something like that...), but to portray it (and the opposing opinion about another person's looks) as a fact? seriously?
(Now go ahead and tell me I have a tiny brain or something, since that seems to be the only way for you to try and defend yourself at this point. :? )
And you shouldn't be surprised that other models are defending her or even making excuses for her because we're in a line of work where a lack of solidarity can get someone literally murdered.
Highly doubt that anyone who has been here a decent amount of time is surprised by this. I'm positive that some find it comically dumb but I doubt anyone is surprised by camgirls defending shitty behavior. Making excuses for shitty behavior is kinda just what many here do. Dudes can't even make a post in the annoying model thread without someone coming in and making excuses or trying to tell the dude that he shouldn't be annoyed by it. Congrats on the most ridiculous comment of the new year tho, princess.
JerryBoBerry said:
As for the making excuses for her. I ignore all of them. People can excuse away that kind behavior all day long, but that generally says more about their character than mine.
You would think that by now the simpletons here would realize how harmful and just all around ignorant the "we are on the same team, must defend her" thought process is. But no, stupid always sticks together. Hilarious seeing camgirls constantly trying to lecture dudes here about manners, as if camgirls aren't the least classy and some of the rudest people on the internet. It's ok for camgirls to say mean, rude, and hilariously stupid shit all the time and no lectures in sight. Can you imagine if members here were as classless as some camgirls and we filled the things model say that make you go wtf thread with all the pathetic begging camgirls always do or all the painfully stupid things they say on twitter or in their rooms all day. Thread would be like 1000 pages in a week. Camgirls lecturing people about manners is like homeless people lecturing others on cleanliness. It's like they expect the guys here to act the same as the half men or cuckolds(not even sure if I'm using this word right but it's a pretty hilarious word so) in their rooms but like, I don't think guys want or need the advice given most of the time. They will be quite ok without most camgirls advice on how to act.
Wow, this thread & the drama surrounding Miss MFC for Dec. has really reinforced for me how much a lot of MFC members seem to love drama. :?
This would be nothing more than some immature girl throwing shade, if not for the little birds flitting back and forth saying "SO AND SO SAID THIS ABOUT YOU" "WELL SO AND SO SAID THAT".
As a member I can't understand how anyone would want to stir the pot or care what one model says about another. If the things in this thread are true, then maybe she is a giant brat (and for the record I think the described behavior is shitty regardless of who is doing it), but I don't see what any of that has to do with any of y'all or why you should care and still be thinking about it days later. Just ignore the models you don't like and enjoy the ones you. If you enjoy apples, then enjoy your apples and don't be mad because some other guys like bratty oranges.
MFC is supposed to be fun.
You would think that by now the simpletons here would realize how harmful and just all around ignorant the "we are on the same team, must defend her" thought process is. But no, stupid always sticks together. Hilarious seeing camgirls constantly trying to lecture dudes here about manners, as if camgirls aren't the least classy and some of the rudest people on the internet. It's ok for camgirls to say mean, rude, and hilariously stupid shit all the time and no lectures in sight. Can you imagine if members here were as classless as some camgirls and we filled the things model say that make you go wtf thread with all the pathetic begging camgirls always do or all the painfully stupid things they say on twitter or in their rooms all day. Thread would be like 1000 pages in a week. Camgirls lecturing people about manners is like homeless people lecturing others on cleanliness. It's like they expect the guys here to act the same as the half men or cuckolds(not even sure if I'm using this word right but it's a pretty hilarious word so) in their rooms but like, I don't think guys want or need the advice given most of the time. They will be quite ok without most camgirls advice on how to act.
Honestly, what the hell are you still doing here? What do you get out of this forum if there's something in your brain that makes you so angry at camgirls for no reason?
Honestly, what the hell are you still doing here? What do you get out of this forum if there's something in your brain that makes you so angry at camgirls for no reason?
Honestly, what the hell are you still doing here? What do you get out of this forum if there's something in your brain that makes you so angry at camgirls for no reason?
How predictable but no, just bored and was hoping for someone to try to explain all the hypocrisy. Hilarious how you seem to think like many camgirls tho, guy says something negative about camgirls so he must be bitter about something.
How this thread is turning out reminds me of all the 4chan boys who devote entire threads to talking about how camgirls and sex workers in general have shameful jobs and are human garbage and then get on MFC and the like and worship the models. Ok, pal.
How this thread is turning out reminds me of all the 4chan boys who devote entire threads to talking about how camgirls and sex workers in general have shameful jobs and are human garbage and then get on MFC and the like and worship the models. Ok, pal.
I'm so super jealous of a group of people that for the most part struggle to even be considered middle class. Sooo salty that I don't spend my life as a shut in that masturbates for anyone willing to throw nickels at me. Good golly I'm just so pissed I can't beg all day on Twitter and tell myself it comes across as adorable or cute. I'm seriously not even sure what I'm supposed to be jealous of here haha. Like, what is it that a camgirl has that I want?
I'm so super jealous of a group of people that for the most part struggle to even be considered middle class. Sooo salty that I don't spend my life as a shut in that masturbates for anyone willing to throw nickels at me. Good golly I'm just so pissed I can't beg all day on Twitter and tell myself it comes across as adorable or cute. I'm seriously not even sure what I'm supposed to be jealous of here haha. Like, what is it that a camgirl has that I want?
Punk you can have the viewpoints you want obviously, but that doesn't work for every cammer either. The reason many of us cam isn't because we are shut ins. Yes, I happen to have social anxiety, but that isn't why I cam. The reason why is because when I worked a regular job before I cammed, I could never get enough hours. One day, I sustained an on the job injury (one in which prevented me from working). I was supposed to get a workers comp check, but didn't until 6 months later. Camming saved me. Even if I had sued it would've taken ages, and I'd have lost my home. Camming allows us to work extra hours that most jobs won't give us. If we HAVE to take the night off because our kid is sick or a tragic event happens, then yes, we will likely get tipped less the next night we're on, due to inconsistency, but we know we always have a job. If we have to move...we always easily have a job. Camming isn't reliable always, but it is something that can be done whenever the cammer can do it, which is something you can't always rely on with another job. Sure there are those who struggle, but there are plenty of those that struggle to make ends meet offline as well.
*Edit heck even when I was working another job while camming a few months ago...if I had worked there full time without camming I wouldn't have been able to afford my apartment (which is on the cheap side of apartments around here). The only way I was able to afford it was by working both in retail, while camming as long as I had to to make my bills.
I'm so super jealous of a group of people that for the most part struggle to even be considered middle class. Sooo salty that I don't spend my life as a shut in that masturbates for anyone willing to throw nickels at me. Good golly I'm just so pissed I can't beg all day on Twitter and tell myself it comes across as adorable or cute. I'm seriously not even sure what I'm supposed to be jealous of here haha. Like, what is it that a camgirl has that I want?
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" I say things like that to cam models and my friends all the time. Its got nothing to do with manners, I reserve manners for assholes I don''t actually like.
congrats man!
