Respect to all the cam girls out there!

[AmberCutie]

Ehhhhh this is pedantic enough to not really warrant all the energy you're dumping into it, you're kinda dying on this hill over a technicality in phrasing. My claims are quite generalized, but they are based in evidence and anecdotal experiences from many people. It is Extremely rare to the point of insignificance that a cam model would genuinely want to meet, fall in love with, and marry a viewer with no ulterior motives, or outside of a sugaring/escort situation.

There's also the larger ethical issue of trying to dissuade poor thirsty saps from thinking there's a chance so they don't try to initiate unwanted romantic relationships with models or fall for scams.

This is exactly it.

 

[schruti]

There's also the larger ethical issue of trying to dissuade poor thirsty saps from thinking there's a chance so they don't try to initiate unwanted romantic relationships with models or fall for scams.

I perfectly understand the desire to educate members.

I won't educate them by lies. I won't agree to those people who declared her friend an escort. She met a member and they neither fell in nor made love nor married.

If a member reads through this thread, I trust he is ready to understand messages of more than ten words. I trust he understands an expression like “chances are extremely low”, and I even trust he prefers a true message over a simple lie.

 

[THE MOLLIE MARIE]

@schruti the true message would be, it's so incredibly unlikely and you're better off ignoring the possibility of them choosing you out of their thousands of daily viewers, because it would happen organically on the performer's terms *IF* it ever did, so don't hold your breath and maybe just enjoy cam sites the way they are intended to be used: Get your jollies and log off.

As you may have noticed, members who are prone to these kinds of interactions will look for any whiff of an idea of an inkling of a chance that she might be in ~love~, even while every obvious piece of information points to the opposite.

I think it's also worth noting that, in the age of FOSTA-SESTA, some platforms will ban accounts over the mere mention of meeting up. I find it plain disrespectful to bring it up at all. If you respect the performer, don't do anything that could risk their livelihood.

Don't educate them with lies, sure, but don't feed delusions either.

 

[GraysonDrake]

I perfectly understand the desire to educate members.

I won't educate them by lies. I won't agree to those people who declared her friend an escort. She met a member and they neither fell in nor made love nor married.

If a member reads through this thread, I trust he is ready to understand messages of more than ten words. I trust he understands an expression like “chances are extremely low”, and I even trust he prefers a true message over a simple lie.

Dude, nobody lied. You're just having a black and white approach to this situation. My statement doesn't make me a liar or invalidate anyone else's experiences. The problem isn't what anyone said, it's in your interpretation of the information being presented.

 

[schruti]

You're just having a black and white approach to this situation.

Funny you say that, as I am the one refusing the black and white approach that considers all models who meet members to be escorts.

You might have missed the fact meanwhile most participants agree to apply quantifiers like “most”, not “all” or “the” - which was my whole point.

 

[GraysonDrake]

Funny you say that, as I am the one refusing the black and white approach that considers all models who meet members to be escorts.

For your purposes, they might as well be. Also what yummybrownfox was talking about is still within the confines of a parasocial relationship and not anything like what OP was talking about, so it's still well within the spirit of my argument.

You might have missed the fact meanwhile most participants agree to apply quantifiers like “most”, not “all” or “the” - which was my whole point.

Honestly I have no idea what your actual point was, and I don't think you do either anymore. The level of fixation here is perplexing to me.

 

[schruti]

Honestly I have no idea …

And you won't, as you refuse my patient attempts to teach you logic for being pedantic fixation.

As you reliably reject any insight and everybody else understands the topic, I am out of that.

 

[AudriTwo]

And you won't, as you refuse my patient attempts to teach you logic for being pedantic fixation.

As you reliably reject any insight and everybody else understands the topic, I am out of that.

wow you are condescending. i love when people act like the arbitrator of logic but really are just major fucking assholes that nobody likes.

 

[englishmuffins]

Hmmm… This thread is just a smorgasbord of really good advice and a very picky eater.

 

[GraysonDrake]

And you won't, as you refuse my patient attempts to teach you logic for being pedantic fixation.

Ah yes, it's terribly ungrateful of me to throw away such a valuable opportunity, my apologies. Also I can't tell if you mean "confuse" instead of "refuse" because the grammar in that sentence makes no goddamn sense.

As you reliably reject any insight and everybody else understands the topic, I am out of that.

M'kay lil buddy, guess I'll just have to be talked down to by some other Dunning–Kruger addled dudebro protecting his ego.

 

[schruti]

i love when people act like the arbitrator of logic but really are just major fucking assholes that nobody likes.

I respect your proficiency regarding that delicate area.

Being much simpler in mind, I rather focus on truth and validity.

Several people in this thread personally know webcam models who met their members without being escorts. A few comments claimed that models who meet their members are escorts. These claims would imply the mentioned models are escorts, which is false. Thus the claims are false. The mentioned models might even consider them insulting.

These insulting claims won't become true just because hundreds of models wish to educate visitors of webcam pages.

There are lots of ways to educate by true statements. I proposed some of them myself.

I won't accept lies and insults for the sake of education.

 

[AudriTwo]

I won't accept lies and insults for the sake of education.

im all for education, but when you act like an asshole doing so, you get what you get.

ever since you showed up here, your behavior/tone has been incredibly condescending and overall assholeness.

 

[schruti]

major fucking assholes that nobody likes. … asshole … assholeness.

Apparently I lack your social skills.

Still, I reject lies and insults even when used for the sake of education.

Luckily, that point seems to be settled, and I won't discuss the topic you keep digging in.

 

[GraysonDrake]

I respect your proficiency regarding that delicate area.

You should respect everyone's proficiency in general, most of the people here have a wider skill set than you do and twice the life experience.

Being much simpler in mind, I rather focus on truth and validity.

You keep using that word, I don't think it means what you think it means....

Several people in this thread personally know webcam models who met their members without being escorts. A few comments claimed that models who meet their members are escorts. These claims would imply the mentioned models are escorts, which is false. Thus the claims are false. The mentioned models might even consider them insulting.

Don't white knight for people who can speak for themselves, or be offended on behalf of them.

These insulting claims won't become true just because hundreds of models wish to educate visitors of webcam pages.

There are lots of ways to educate by true statements. I proposed some of them myself.

No you didn't, you're just word vomiting. The rest of us are trying to have an actual level-headed conversation about this.

I won't accept lies and insults for the sake of education.

You aren't educating anyone though, you're talking down to people who are already more capable than you are at following a coherent conversation and trying to act like you're doing us a favor. No one is lying, and no one is being insulting but you.

I might be making assumptions here but it seems like this unfortunate cocktail of whorephobia and casual sexism to me, like you can't really fathom the idea of sex workers already being logical, intelligent, and competent people so you have to save us from ourselves because clearly disagreeing with you and calling you out means we're stupid.

 

[AudriTwo]

Apparently I lack your social skills.

Still, I reject lies and insults even when used for the sake of education.

Luckily, that point seems to be settled, and I won't discuss the topic you keep digging in.

let me educate you on some social interactions because some people just suck at interacting with other people.

when someone lets you know you are acting like an asshole, and you dont want to be an asshole, apologize and change your approach. maybe try to put yourself in that person's shoes why they would have the reaction they are having so you can understand and learn. dont continue being an asshole.

 

[schruti]

… asshole.

I still won't follow you into that area, nor will I rebut the nonsense in some other posts if I already know that won't cause any insight.

I stand my ground regarding true and false claims. I prefer truth, and I won't apologize for pointing out the difference, nor for your swear words.

Most participants actually agree in dropping claims about all models when the desired message can be conveyed using true statements which involve quantifiers like “most”.

I pity the amount of wasted recycled electrons used to rant about my lack of social skills. I focus on the topic, not on me.

 

[GraysonDrake]

I still won't follow you into that area, nor will I rebut the nonsense in some other posts if I already know that won't cause any insight.

I stand my ground regarding true and false claims. I prefer truth, and I won't apologize for pointing out the difference, nor for your swear words.

Most participants actually agree in dropping claims about all models when the desired message can be conveyed using true statements which involve quantifiers like “most”.

I pity the amount of wasted recycled electrons used to rant about my lack of social skills. I focus on the topic, not on me.

Those are certainly words, yes

 

[Smoothie]

You know how often I hear people say non-literal things like “I never have any fun” or “I constantly eat junk food?” It happens a lot. That’s how normal people talk.

I know they don’t actually eat 24-7. I know they’ve probably enjoyed doing SOMETHING, at some time, dating back to their births. But I don’t call them out for lying, because I get the point that they’re making. And it would be intellectually dishonest of me to pretend I took them literally. If I stopped all of my conversations to litigate each occurrence of non-literal speech, I’d have no more conversations and probably a lot fewer friends.

Understanding non-literal speech (without getting irrationally worked up about the non-literal part) is key to social communication.

 

[THE MOLLIE MARIE]

I focus on the topic, not on me.

No you are continuously making it about you by trying to be more right than everyone else who is also right. It's really grating. We all get it, precise communication is important to you. But you are taking away from the conversation by dragging it back to that over and over, not adding substance.

 

[AudriTwo]

 

[schruti]

Understanding non-literal speech (without getting irrationally worked up about the non-literal part) is key to social communication.

Thanks for your analysis, as always.

I prefer adding a word like “most” and I did not expect that echo, though most participants agree.

 

[MarieElise]

Holy shit how long has this argument/ debate been going on now?

... nvm since about July 26th.
Lol, what the fuck?

 

[AmberCutie]

Luckily, that point seems to be settled, and I won't discuss the topic you keep digging in.

As you noted, your input is no longer needed, it's settled. So since this following statement is very true:

ever since you showed up here, your behavior/tone has been incredibly condescending

I am requesting you to please bow out of the thread now.

 

[AmberCutie]

You know how often I hear people say non-literal things like “I never have any fun” or “I constantly eat junk food?” It happens a lot. That’s how normal people talk.

I know they don’t actually eat 24-7. I know they’ve probably enjoyed doing SOMETHING, at some time, dating back to their births. But I don’t call them out for lying, because I get the point that they’re making. And it would be intellectually dishonest of me to pretend I took them literally. If I stopped all of my conversations to litigate each occurrence of non-literal speech, I’d have no more conversations and probably a lot fewer friends.

Understanding non-literal speech (without getting irrationally worked up about the non-literal part) is key to social communication.

Exactly. The semantics and rude tone are just unnecessary. Everyone's moving on.