Question about Unmet Goals

[MemberBlasts]

A question has been brought up to us, and we would like some input from the Models.

The subject is when Models are on cam working towards a goal (for whatever end results/shows) - but log off cam before the goal is met, either due to lack of interest/participation, or having the countdown go on too long and having other things to do, or wanting to salvage a cam-score, etc.

How often does this happen for you - logging off before completing a goal?

When it does happen - is there something you do to placate Members (like continuing the goal at a later time, or rewarding those who majorly contributed in other ways, etc.)?

At what level of frequency of this happening should a red flag be raised? (We are NOT saying we would put them on blast - but this can get problematic for Members if it happens almost every time)

 

[AmberCutie]

It happens in my room probably around once per week. Lack of participation within a proper period of time is usually to blame.

When it does happen - is there something you do to placate Members

I allow video/etc tips to count toward my topics, so those who contribute enough for those already got something to placate them. Others who chip in during the countdown are usually doing so because they're also enjoying the entertainment going on during the countdown, and many of those are regulars who would pitch in regardless of countdown. So I don't feel it necessary to do anything extra. If those members had/have any issue with that, they surely would not continue to participate like they have been for years.

If a model is doing absolutely nothing during her countdown and not giving members anything for their tips, that's not great if she bails with no show. But usually, especially in the busier rooms, there is something entertaining* happening all the while, thus creating value for tippers even if a countdown is not met.

*I and many others consider things as simple as fun chat, flirty gestures, nakedness or teasing as entertainment.

At what level of frequency of this happening should a red flag be raised?

If its during every single show, the model should realize that her counts may be set at unattainable levels and adjust them accordingly. If it seems a model is doing it on purpose in order to avoid ever doing a show and overcharging members for the basic entertainment she's providing in the room during the count... it wouldn't be unreasonable to approach her about it. But methinks if it's a recurring issue, less people will be around to participate and it should take care of itself.

 

[Magnolia]

If its during every single show, the model should realize that her counts may be set at unattainable levels and adjust them accordingly. If it seems a model is doing it on purpose in order to avoid ever doing a show and overcharging members for the basic entertainment she's providing in the room during the count... it wouldn't be unreasonable to approach her about it. But methinks if it's a recurring issue, less people will be around to participate and it should take care of itself.

Most of my show counts don't make it, but that's okay. A public show in my room is something super super special and super super rare and I love it that way. My public shows are expensive as fuck because I feel that's what I deserve, if people don't want to pay for it most of the time that's okay, I refuse to cheapen myself. But the shows I have had have all been memorable and the members in my room were more than pleased with it and fine with paying the price. Just my personal opinion, but I'm a tease/mostly non-sexual model so I don't think I'm the norm. When my shows were cheap I made shit-all off of them and it seemed like most members weren't interested after a while, making them more rare makes it a big deal in my room. Wanted to throw that out there that making your shows cheaper just so you can reach goal more often isn't always a good idea.

 

[Luckyfoxxy]

Maybe I did goals wrong but since no one eve tipped for mine. So instead I have them set on the amount I want to earn that day

A question has been brought up to us, and we would like some input from the Models.

The subject is when Models are on cam working towards a goal (for whatever end results/shows) - but log off cam before the goal is met, either due to lack of interest/participation, or having the countdown go on too long and having other things to do, or wanting to salvage a cam-score, etc.

How often does this happen for you - logging off before completing a goal?

When it does happen - is there something you do to placate Members (like continuing the goal at a later time, or rewarding those who majorly contributed in other ways, etc.)?

At what level of frequency of this happening should a red flag be raised? (We are NOT saying we would put them on blast - but this can get problematic for Members if it happens almost every time)

I was never tipped for the countdown so I just fucked the whole idea off. I use the feature to keep an eye on my earnings and my session goal.

 

[AmberCutie]

Most of my show counts don't make it, but that's okay. A public show in my room is something super super special and super super rare and I love it that way. My public shows are expensive as fuck because I feel that's what I deserve, if people don't want to pay for it most of the time that's okay, I refuse to cheapen myself. But the shows I have had have all been memorable and the members in my room were more than pleased with it and fine with paying the price. Just my personal opinion, but I'm a tease/mostly non-sexual model so I don't think I'm the norm. When my shows were cheap I made shit-all off of them and it seemed like most members weren't interested after a while, making them more rare makes it a big deal in my room. Wanted to throw that out there that making your shows cheaper just so you can reach goal more often isn't always a good idea.

I'd say you'd definitely not be the cam girl I'd aim my "maybe adjust your counts" advice to. You clearly got your gameplan and know whatch'a want.

 

[Metal_Bat]

For me the goal is more like a guideline. In the event I don't make it I still sometimes do whatever was promised but I don't take as much liberty in fulfilling chat request for the show such as alternating angles and such so it's sorta bare bones compared to if the goal had been met. My room is social so it's rare that the viewers don't feed off the energy and make it to the set goal. I'd parrot what Amber said and just focus on making it entertaining. People will want to get you there just as bad as you want to if you give them proper motivation.

 

[a_haze420]

See this has happened to me many times. As a lower cam score model it really does happen often. I have lowered and lowered counts but I refuse to go any lower as I don't feel comfortable doing a public cumshow for 10 or 15 dollars. As I already have my cumshow set to 500 tokens and still struggle to get there.

It is what it is I guess. Most people who tip in my room are tipping for a prize game video tip menu items etc so they usually are getting something out of it. So I don't feel I need to lower myself anymore because someone might be upset I don't make counts often. I always have music dancing party vibe in my room so its for sure entertaining even if I don't make counts. And have gotten comments many times about being fun

 

[a_haze420]

That being said I don't go on mfc as often anymore because I simply make more money on other sites.

 

[Springer16]

For time zone reasons, I end up contributing tips to the start of my favorite model's goals, but rarely get to see them reached on nights when she succeeds (which is only some days). As a reward for my loyalty and tips, which I provide often offline also, she provides occasional snaps of the results of the goals and generally stays in touch on social media. A good compromise, though still frustrating to miss her goals most of the time.

 

[SophiaSophia]

See this has happened to me many times. As a lower cam score model it really does happen often. I have lowered and lowered counts but I refuse to go any lower as I don't feel comfortable doing a public cumshow for 10 or 15 dollars. As I already have my cumshow set to 500 tokens and still struggle to get there.

It is what it is I guess. Most people who tip in my room are tipping for a prize game video tip menu items etc so they usually are getting something out of it. So I don't feel I need to lower myself anymore because someone might be upset I don't make counts often. I always have music dancing party vibe in my room so its for sure entertaining even if I don't make counts. And have gotten comments many times about being fun

same- except I havent finished with other sites aps- Im trying to make mfc work because I love the site but I cant even get low tips from a decent menu towards a low goal with a fun show. honestly I think Im too scattered at a bad time of year for camming.
a cpl guys that have have super kind get extra content from me- lot of free chat time out of me and I'm unbelievably patient with members who have never tipped a single token.

 

[EspiKvlt]

I give stuff for almost every tip - tip menu actions, videos, sets, friend adds, etc.

The countdown is just something that happens when enough people get those things.

I don't feel guilty if I don't reach a goal, because people got what they tipped for regardless.

 

[MDouble00]

If I'm in a room I'm going to tip. I don't really have a problem if a countdown/room dies and I've contributed. I'm mostly a weekday night visitor so many times I end up going to bed before many of my faves hit their show's.

The only thing I generally have issues with is inconsistency in the models pricing point. And that is more directed at the things they offer to contribute to the count.

Which I know it is always the models discretion. But it sucks if I was in your room Monday and Wednesday and a booty shake was 50 tokens and then Friday it's 150, and then Sunday it's 35 and then Tuesday it's 50 again.

 

[WickedTouch]

I give stuff for almost every tip - tip menu actions, videos, sets, friend adds, etc.

The countdown is just something that happens when enough people get those things.

I don't feel guilty if I don't reach a goal, because people got what they tipped for regardless.

I think this is the best kind of system to see in a room. Everyone who contributes tips for items on a model's menu list in order to hit a target... whether it be flashes, spanks, dances, song choice, teases, etc etc, has picked up something for their tips. If the final goal is missed, if it's a slower night than usual, then contributors who have tipped for something along the way will still feel rewarded and won't feel cheated.

If I'm in a room I'm going to tip. I don't really have a problem if a countdown/room dies and I've contributed. I'm mostly a weekday night visitor so many times I end up going to bed before many of my faves hit their show's.

The only thing I generally have issues with is inconsistency in the models pricing point. And that is more directed at the things they offer to contribute to the count.

Which I know it is always the models discretion. But it sucks if I was in your room Monday and Wednesday and a booty shake was 50 tokens and then Friday it's 150, and then Sunday it's 35 and then Tuesday it's 50 again.

The price variations on different weekdays are evident in a few MFC rooms and the changes are actually a sound financial move. I recall that Mycamgirl.net pitched up here with some data on member spending about 3 or 4 years back, which showed that the fewest Group and Private shows on MFC occur on a Wednesday. Basically, a core of the MFC membership have the most to spend on a weekend after being paid and by hump day their coffers are running low. Some models have realised this and have reduced prices slightly on those mid week days... Tuesday and Wednesday primarily, so tippers can still participate and tip for something. Its not that models raise prices for the weekend, but more realistically, they simply lower them a bit for the slow days, so pervs can still afford something from the menu and the model is still making some income.

It's the same kinda technique that is commonly used in most supermarkets. Here in the UK, many stores will start their runs of special offers on a Tuesday or Wednesday in order to get more shoppers spending on those traditionally slower days. Pick the good days and pick up those bargains!

 

[Nikola Tesla]

we would put them on blast

What does this mean? blast?

 

[Emberblaze]

From past experience on MFC the members most upset about me not making it to goal were always people that literally tipped nothing (Soooo sorry you won't get to see your free show, how rude of me) or people that had tipped 25 tokens for a tit flash. Generally regulars were happy with the attention that I had given them even if I didn't make it to a goal.

 

[MDouble00]

The price variations on different weekdays are evident in a few MFC rooms and the changes are actually a sound financial move. I recall that Mycamgirl.net pitched up here with some data on member spending about 3 or 4 years back, which showed that the fewest Group and Private shows on MFC occur on a Wednesday. Basically, a core of the MFC membership have the most to spend on a weekend after being paid and by hump day their coffers are running low. Some models have realised this and have reduced prices slightly on those mid week days... Tuesday and Wednesday primarily, so tippers can still participate and tip for something. Its not that models raise prices for the weekend, but more realistically, they simply lower them a bit for the slow days, so pervs can still afford something from the menu and the model is still making some income.

It's the same kinda technique that is commonly used in most supermarkets. Here in the UK, many stores will start their runs of special offers on a Tuesday or Wednesday in order to get more shoppers spending on those traditionally slower days. Pick the good days and pick up those bargains!

I follow what you're saying but that is not what I'm referring to.

I don't have problems if a model has a set price for something like 50 token spanks or 200 token videos doing half off days or some kind of special.

Or in your super market example if I know a loaf of bread is going to be say $1 to $1.50 regularly and then one week or day it's lower.

My issue in your super market scenario is if there is no regular price and it changes every day. I would never buy bread in that case.

I am strictly addressing when a model has a general token countdown, but no set tip values. So it changes regularly and they don't tell you or have it mentioned in topic.

So I tipped 75 for a flash because you said that on Monday, but when I tip 75 on Wednesday I'm met with no it's 150 for that today. And then the next time it's something else and then the next time it's another rate.
No consistency at all

 

[SMuser69]

I'm sorry if I'm not going to give a white knight response.

When I tip I WANT something for that tip. This is one reason I rarely tip for goals unless the goal is clearly going to be met shortly. I love you models but none of you are charity cases to me.

Models that combine their tip menu with their goal I have no problem with since at least I'm getting the menu stuff for the tip PLUS help toward the goal.

I think this is more an issue toward models that believe the goal is an item to itself. The must realize they're asking their members either to donate to charity or gamble on them which either case you'll have a soar member when you gamble and come up a loser.

As a member you feel models that do live by a double standard of, "I don't give away things for free but I'm fine with taking your money for nothing". Models should be conscious of the ethics of this thinking and how even if the member tells you they're ok that might just be them hiding their concerns with politeness.

 

[AudriTwo]

This is a group effort. If the group cannot make a certain goal, then it is the groups fault. You guys failed, no show. If you want a model to get her show off the ground and you are barely tipping, no room for complaining. If you carried the group by post most of the goal, I am sorry that everyone else was too selfish and lame not to contribute a few tokens. But blaming the model is silly. You can't expect someone to perform some of a show for not half their price. We aren't talking about an exchange of apples. This is a person performing sex acts for your entertainment.

A model doesn't have to offer videos if she doesn't want to. After I got some of my shit flagged by a copyright troll, I stopped offering them at higher tips. Some models may also not comfortable with it. I think it is best to pay attention to model's tip menus. If you want bidios, ask before you tip. So if the countdown fails, you will still have something.

This is why I also love Streamate. If a gold show's countdown is not met in the set time, no one gets charged and I don't get paid. I have zero bitching on failed shows, and I'm not blamed for when members can't get shows going. I don't control the tipping, you members do.

 

[AmberCutie]

So I tipped 75 for a flash because you said that on Monday, but when I tip 75 on Wednesday I'm met with no it's 150 for that today. And then the next time it's something else and then the next time it's another rate.
No consistency at all

It's important to check the model's topic for the items she's offering and at what price for that session. If someone came in assuming they knew the price of something, or assumed I was offering it at all I would be a little irked.

 

[SophiaSophia]

I give stuff for almost every tip - tip menu actions, videos, sets, friend adds, etc.

The countdown is just something that happens when enough people get those things.

I don't feel guilty if I don't reach a goal, because people got what they tipped for regardless.

this is how I set up my countdowns as well

 

[a_haze420]

this is how I set up my countdowns as well

Yup same here all tips count towards my countdown for vids or whatever

 

[MDouble00]

It's important to check the model's topic for the items she's offering and at what price for that session. If someone came in assuming they knew the price of something, or assumed I was offering it at all I would be a little irked.

I am well aware of the fact. I prefer models that have tip menus or list things in topic. My point is aimed at models that have countdowns and no set tip values ever listed.

So when I ask the first time before tipping and they tell me that price. I generally take them at their word. And maybe it is my fault for thinking if they tell you a specific price that is their price. But if it changes every time I ask that seems like a flimsy process.

Ultimately if I find models that don't list anything in topic or have a tip menu. And never have set prices I just don't ask for anything and tip what I'm feeling. If they do stuff so be it.

 

[Bubblybecky]

I give stuff for almost every tip - tip menu actions, videos, sets, friend adds, etc.

The countdown is just something that happens when enough people get those things.

I don't feel guilty if I don't reach a goal, because people got what they tipped for regardless.

Same Here. I combine my tip menu and the room goal. I feel like it makes the show go faster, as it keeps me doing something between goals (I usually run a Multi-Goal app), and it makes the guys feel like they're getting something for every tip.

 

[Ruby_Roo]

A question has been brought up to us, and we would like some input from the Models.

The subject is when Models are on cam working towards a goal (for whatever end results/shows) - but log off cam before the goal is met, either due to lack of interest/participation, or having the countdown go on too long and having other things to do, or wanting to salvage a cam-score, etc.

How often does this happen for you - logging off before completing a goal?

When it does happen - is there something you do to placate Members (like continuing the goal at a later time, or rewarding those who majorly contributed in other ways, etc.)?

At what level of frequency of this happening should a red flag be raised? (We are NOT saying we would put them on blast - but this can get problematic for Members if it happens almost every time)

A question has been brought up to us, and we would like some input from the Models.

The subject is when Models are on cam working towards a goal (for whatever end results/shows) - but log off cam before the goal is met, either due to lack of interest/participation, or having the countdown go on too long and having other things to do, or wanting to salvage a cam-score, etc.

How often does this happen for you - logging off before completing a goal?

When it does happen - is there something you do to placate Members (like continuing the goal at a later time, or rewarding those who majorly contributed in other ways, etc.)?

At what level of frequency of this happening should a red flag be raised? (We are NOT saying we would put them on blast - but this can get problematic for Members if it happens almost every time)

my shifts are 5 hours a day and I don't leave early no matter what. (unless it's an emergency) I usually meet my goals but some days you just can't help how slow your traffic is. Slow days can be frustrating but instead of resulting to my phone for boredom I run cheap gold shows where I'll do yoga, workouts, or do a naked chat that way at least I'm making something and not just sitting there like a lump on a log bored out of my mind haha Some camgirls/guys just need to accept that not every day is going to be a good $$$ day ;o

 

[marvelb0y]

In my experience, I've never seen a member contribute majorly to a countdown who didn't already like the model a lot already. This means this member is usually not tipping with any expectations except making the model happy. However, there are guys who do complain and these are the ones who tip 10 or 20 for a 5000 token goal and get unhappy if the model leaves. Of course this is all anecdotal but I would be very surprised to hear a member being unhappy with an unmet countdown if he tipped "majorly".