Model Scam

[rockingharder]

Hello, I'm sorry if this is the wrong forum to post this, but I really wasn't sure where to go. I paid a model through paypal for a show, and I did not receive one. Is there any way I can dispute this and get a refund? She won't contact me back and I fear that paypal will ban me.
Thank you

 

[Sevrin]

I'm not sure there *is* a right forum to post this. There's no BBB regulating cam shows. Thank you for not mentioning the model by name though, as that never ends well. I trust that you have made several attempts to sort this out with the model? Anyway, bummer.

If you report her, I have no idea what will happen to your account, but hers will probably get closed unless they have changed their policies recently.

 

[Diana Blake]

Another big thing with this...are you sure you spoke to the actual model? Most models don't accept PayPal simply because guys can contact PayPal support and get their money back after the show; the model loses out and the member ends up with a free show. Because so many models won't use PayPal shady dudes will pretend to be models and request PayPal for a show, secure in the knowledge that the actual model doesn't have an account. Just make sure you weren't catfished.

Otherwise it is pretty easy to contact support and explain what happened, just keep in mind that for a busy model it may take up to a week to schedule and respond to a show request.

 

[Jessi]

Otherwise it is pretty easy to contact support and explain what happened, just keep in mind that for a busy model it may take up to a week to schedule and respond to a show request.

Just wanted to echo this ^^^ did you actually hear back from her and confirm the appointment? Before you do anything make sure to try talk to her, could be a misunderstanding or fuckup on her part. It could be something as simple as not noticing the email.

Paypal is NOT adult content friendly.
We've heard a lot of stories of cam models being ripped off because of guys charging back after the show. The account in question is usually shut down and her assets frozen for up to a year. Ive never heard of Paypal siding with the model because of the adult nature.

I have no idea what would happen to your account though.

IF you wanted to make a claim you don't HAVE to say the Skype was sexual in nature.
You could try emailing MFC support just to give them a heads up, they probably won't do anything but if they get many complaints about the model they may do something.
If she carries on like this, she will fuck her own shit up eventually.

Thank you for not flipping out or trying to start a blacklist thread.

And as always, for members and models, do everything you can through the camsite! accepting payment outside the site is against the rules anyway.

 

[rockingharder]

Sorry I did not make this clear:

We were doing the show on Skype, and the majority of the time, she was just messaging other people, and included about 3 min of an actual show. Also, she "false advertised" to me what she offered, which was very annoying. So there was no schedule for a later appointment.

The problem is that when I make a dispute on Paypal it has two options - one that I did not authorize, and a problem with the item I purchased. Since I probably can't do the unauthorized purchase route, I opted for the problem one. Paypal says "We're sorry, but this transaction cannot be disputed because it is not a purchase of goods or services. Please contact the recipient directly."

Thanks a lot for the help

 

[Shaun__]

It sounds like you got your show, as bad as you may have thought it was. I would just avoid that model in the future, the same way I would a model I did not have fun with in a private.

 

[Jessi]

It sounds like you got your show, as bad as you may have thought it was. I would just avoid that model in the future, the same way I would a model I did not have fun with in a private.

Yeah, if she actually skyped with you and gave you her time in exchange for the money...
The show may have sucked, she might be a shitty model, but like Shaun said, sometimes you get a dud and you move on. IF she genuinely is bad at camming, she will hurt her own business anyway. Find another model you do like and do PRIVATES with them. Get to know them a bit before doing a show and communicate clearly before and during.

Your original post made it seem like she took the money and then stopped talking to you.

 

[NeveahMae]

Sorry I did not make this clear:

We were doing the show on Skype, and the majority of the time, she was just messaging other people, and included about 3 min of an actual show. Also, she "false advertised" to me what she offered, which was very annoying. So there was no schedule for a later appointment.

The problem is that when I make a dispute on Paypal it has two options - one that I did not authorize, and a problem with the item I purchased. Since I probably can't do the unauthorized purchase route, I opted for the problem one. Paypal says "We're sorry, but this transaction cannot be disputed because it is not a purchase of goods or services. Please contact the recipient directly."

Thanks a lot for the help

Usually when it comes to virtual items and trying to claim a refund on PayPal it can be a problem as PayPal can't really verify whether you received the virtual service or not. That seems to be the stance they take of late from what I've heard, but as usual with PayPal things may have changed.

While you may not have received what you had hoped for it might be safer to chalk this up to a lesson learned and walk away from the situation as bad as it was. Disputing the issue with PayPal could backfire and you might also end up with either a freeze on your account or in some cases a temporary hold on the account that limits certain purchases (e.g. instant debit services are not accepted due to anti-fraud holds).

It sucks, but this is why the sites vehemently urge members to stick to using their payment services to tender transactions.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

Just out of curiosity how much did you even pay for this show? Actually it's not that important that we know, but what is important is to bear in mind that if you paid rock bottom prices then you get a rock bottom show. A 3 minute show with me would set you back about $21. That's the price for a true private on myfreecams. If you were hoping for a 10 minute show with me then that'd cost you about $70.

Now hey, I don't know how much you paid, but did you barter the price down? Was it already a cheap deal? Or did you spend more like $70 for a shitty show? If it were closer to $21 then come on dude, you got what you paid for, you got some time with a model and as you said, she did 3 minutes of actual show. Maybe she told you she'd do some kind of crazy penetration show, I don't know, which yeah is wrong if she genuinely said that.

I've been around myfreecams for long enough to know that loads of members who think they've been ripped off have actually just had unrealistic expectations or have assumed that x and x is going to happen and call out scammer when it doesn't, even if their assumption wasn't based on real information.

I'm sorry but you go to a cheap fast food joint and see a special burger offer and go "wow! A whole burger for just 50 cents! I'll have that!" and of course, when they give you the burger it's tiny, you haven't been ripped off or scammed, you just were being cheap and believed something too good to be true and are pissed off that you actually got what you'd paid for rather than getting more than you paid for.

I wouldn't try to get a refund or call her a scammer. I'd just not take her in a show again and keep in mind for next time that the "too good to be true" phrase is always around. Private shows are expensive. If you want them then they are something you have to fork out for. Now of course if you did actually pay the usual price then I think that really sucks that you got a shit show and I hope you have better luck in the future.

 

[RedHerby]

Just out of curiosity how much did you even pay for this show? Actually it's not that important that we know, but what is important is to bear in mind that if you paid rock bottom prices then you get a rock bottom show. A 3 minute show with me would set you back about $21. That's the price for a true private on myfreecams. If you were hoping for a 10 minute show with me then that'd cost you about $70.

Now hey, I don't know how much you paid, but did you barter the price down? Was it already a cheap deal? Or did you spend more like $70 for a shitty show? If it were closer to $21 then come on dude, you got what you paid for, you got some time with a model and as you said, she did 3 minutes of actual show.

I don't think that it is related to the amount of money that is involved, 200 tokens for 10 minutes Skype is a very normal price in the 500-200 cam score regions, most of models there just want to do their job good and give you a good show.

Ok, maybe it is because I ask for 'soft' Skype shows, teasing, playing with hair, close up of lips, kisses to the cam, sexy/dirty talk/chat, slow striptease, eye contact in cam2cam. Of course naked is good, but as part of the teasing, boobs that are 90% of the time covered by the long hair of the model is 10 times more hotter then just seeing them continue. A pussy? so good in real life, but on a computer screen it is just a ugly thing, no close up of that please, thank you. And I'm the one who masturbates, not the model, paying someone to masturbate, that's nuts imho, they can do that in their own time, not when I'm are paying. A Skype pvt is about MY orgasm not the model's one.

Talking about this in pm before the actual pvt is already be fun, models are happy/surprised that no inserting of things in holes is needed. Ok, I'm not always believing that, telling to the member that he is special and that they like this kind of pvt's is something a good model does do, that is not lying, that is the art of sale.

Sometimes it goes wrong, not because the model is a scammer, but it's to intense for the model to handle, the eye contact and so. Masturbating as a robot is much easier to do. This happens more with younger models, models around 30 years old are good in this kind of pvt's.

But yeah, if you go to soon to Skype, without knowing the model a little bit (read, you are to horny), then it can happen what did happen to the OP, a model who sucks at her job. Then it's you that did make the mistake, you did make a judgement error by buying something from a bad seller, happens in real life to, on the market or so.