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So I've decided that yeah, I'm going to get a pure bread lab. I want to avoid hip and eye problems, sorry.


I've never done anything with a breeder before and am looking up stuff online, but does anyone have a personal experience?

Is there anything I should watch out for?


I won't be able to get a dog for 3-6 months but I've been looking forward to it for years, and it's almost time. So I thought I'd ask.
 
Re: Looking for my next Dog - Tips to watch out for on Bread

I used to have a pure bread black lab, he was stunning.

The one thing I can't stress enough is to make sure that you look into the health of the parents. Pure bread labs I know are pron to eye/hip and seizer issues as they grow older.

We put my lab down when he was about 5 or 6 because of hip and seizer problems :( He'd have an attack once every 3-4 days and its terrible, there's nothing you can do about it really, and it takes a dramatic toll on their bodies
 
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Check out the pups parents for health and temperament. Any breeder worth their salt will provide a health guarantee against genetic issues and provide the dogs pedigree. The best breeders will provide a LIFE TIME guarantee against genetic issues. It's up to you have picky you want to be. Most will only provide a 6-month to 3 year guarantee. They should be very knowledgeable on the breed. Ask lots of questions. Also they should have no problem showing you around where the dogs were raised.
Your a smart girl so I'm sure you've done your research but just in case... Labs are VERY high energy work dogs and need lots of exercise and mental stimulation. A friend of mine got one and it destroyed their house. It literally chewed and clawed through the drywall in their house. They started crating it and then it broke its teeth trying to get out. I wasn't around enough to see what was going on but I can guarantee you it was under exercised and bored.

GL :) Labs are fantastic dogs.
 
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Almost all of the dogs I've owned are labs, so I know they fit in with my life well.

Alright, check the health stuff.

And I'll make sure it's not a cage breeder of course.

Anything else?
 
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Protip, dogs are evil, get a cat.
 
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i have a labradoodle and love her. We purchased her from LoneStar Labradoodles. They raise the dogs in their homes. They might be able to suggest a lab breeder.

I know several people who have purchased through them and have been pleased.
 
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blasphemy! Dogs are the enemy, get a cat!
 
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Keep in mind what size you want. Someone I know just got a male chocolate and he is huge.
 
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No I don't name my dogs until they're about 3-6 months.

But no worries! I know the size range of labs, this won't be my first one :p



I like cats and dogs. I've had several of both. But right now in my life, I need a dog. If I am able when I move I might look into both.
 
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FifthElephant said:
AlexLady said:
So I've decided that yeah, I'm going to get a pure bread lab. I

Brown, white, or whole-grain?

Hehe, I was thinking this too.

But it does inspire me to ask... which color lab would you most prefer? I love yellow labs the best.
 
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I've had brown and black, but I don't think I'll care. I've never been about looks when it comes to a dog other than the size and coat length.

I'll just visit a few and see which one would fit with me the best.
 
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Yes, it's also a good idea to visit the breeder often and even unexpectedly sometimes just to make sure they're on the level. Pups should not be scared of humans if they're being cared for well. Ask lots of questions and if they're good breeders they will ask you a lot of questions too. There's tons of advice sites on the webz for choosing your next pup. Good luck and hope to see pics...everybody loves puppies!
 
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Ask for PennHip, OFA, TVD and CERF health testing on parents and grandparents, since recessive genetics can skip a generation. Any kind of show results, whether it be obedience, trailing, therapy, show ring/conformation, service dog, agility or (rare for Labs) schutzhund/protection as this can help gauge the "train-ability" and easy of training and socializing of the litter. Make sure they have at least 2 sets of shots and not leave the mother until around 8 weeks of age. Ask for vet and owner references. Ask for a copy of a contract/puppy agreement AHEAD of time so you can review the legalities. People can say what ever they want on paper, but IF you get a puppy that ends up having genetic issues and the breeder "says" they guarantee, and there is no legal standing, your stuck with a lemon pup. BTW- most states have an actual "Lemon Puppy Law" where you can have a pup vet checked within 72 hours and if it is deemed "poor quality/health" other than what was stated on you "paperwork" then you can return the pup to the breeder for a refund or 2nd pick. Also, most good breeders will accept a pup/dog back ANYTIME in its life if anything happens where you can't keep the dog, so as to prevent their pups ending up in shelters. If you need any more info or have questions, let me know. I have been training,showing,rescuing, and occasionally breeding dogs of different breeds since I was 16 (so about 12 years) ;)
 
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Eva_ChangeN said:
Make sure they have at least 2 sets of shots and not leave the mother until around 8 weeks of age.

Awesome advice for most people... but I believe AlexLady handraises her dogs. If I've read her forum posts correctly.
 
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LadyLuna said:
Eva_ChangeN said:
Make sure they have at least 2 sets of shots and not leave the mother until around 8 weeks of age.

Awesome advice for most people... but I believe AlexLady handraises her dogs. If I've read her forum posts correctly.

She does, but I think the advice is still good, at least for other people. Once I find a place to buy, and have settled in, I want a dog too. Just not as big as Alex's, or as small as Amber's. Mine is going to be an inside dog, but not an ankle biter.
 
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It is all the general advice I suggest to anyone who is looking for a pet, and a good reminder to others who raise or breed their own as to what is commonly accepted as good animal husbandry. I pretty much took that out of an email I send to alot of people who email my dog's myspace asking for advice........yes....my pitbull has her own myspace lol
 
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Good luck! From reading this post it sounds like you know what you are getting yourself into with a lab so just do your research (which I am sure you will) and pick your perfect pup!

LoL I am sorry I really have no advice to give but I HAD to post here because I just got a yellow lab over the summer and she's AWESOME! Definitely high energy though but I take her on the treadmill before her walks, it really helps. Also, I have an off leash dog park close by which is great so she can socialize. Good luck with your pup, look forward to seeing pics if you post em.

I chose a lab because they are great with kids and I have a little one. They are just so cute I am excited for you... good luck!

Next on my list... a chihuahua... then I'm done. I think ;)
 
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KaylaMarie said:
Next on my list... a chihuahua... then I'm done. I think ;)

Heehee, good luck...had one, never again LOL even with all my experience, Chi's are extremely hard to socialize and potty break. I have a couple friends who show theirs and they can ONLY be touched in the ring or by their "Mommy" and will only potty inside on small rugs thru out the houses. I can''t handle dogs who potty in house. In defense of the breed, I think alot of it is due to breeding/pedigree and early life training. My Chi was a rescue and I rehomed it with one of the said friends LOL I gotta have bigger dogs in general anyways, but the hubby wants a smaller dog (uh huh, like he's gonna train it)
 
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Oh but I have had one in my lifetime and he was exactly what I want in a breed! He was our family dog when I was growing up and we had him from a pup. I thinks that makes a HUGE difference and you mentioned that as well. I have been doing a lot of research lately on Chihuahuas and have heard that it is important to train early. That is important with all breeds of course but especially so with Chihuahua's. And yes they tend to cling to one person, that's the kind of dog they are but I am fine with her clinging to me... because I also to spend a lot of time socializing her with classes and such... like with our lab.

It was so cute the other day at the dog park to see this lady with her big standard poodle and her chihuahua. The chihuahua followed the poodle playing with all the big and small dogs and totally held it's own. I was so impressed. And this pup was so cute I just had to ask if I could hold her even though I knew there was a chance the lady would say no (being that Chihuahua's tend to cling to one person as their owner and may not be so open to strangers) BUT she was totally okay with me holding her. I fell so much in love I wanted to run off with her haha. Chihuahua's have a bad rep because of what they can be but if they are handled correctly they can be the most loyal loving pets.

Anyway every dog has their challenges, god knows my lab does but I love her to death! I think the biggest thing with any dog is... start training early and don't expect it to be a walk in the park because it's not LoL.

Eva_ChangeN said:
KaylaMarie said:
Next on my list... a chihuahua... then I'm done. I think ;)

Heehee, good luck...had one, never again LOL even with all my experience, Chi's are extremely hard to socialize and potty break. I have a couple friends who show theirs and they can ONLY be touched in the ring or by their "Mommy" and will only potty inside on small rugs thru out the houses. I can''t handle dogs who potty in house. In defense of the breed, I think alot of it is due to breeding/pedigree and early life training. My Chi was a rescue and I rehomed it with one of the said friends LOL I gotta have bigger dogs in general anyways, but the hubby wants a smaller dog (uh huh, like he's gonna train it)
 
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That is true, being that I have been around Pitbulls, Chows, and poodles my whole life (among other) it is sooo true that what the human tolerates and teaches influences the dog sometimes more than breed. Like I said, it might have been a previous issue with that Chi I had, but also my personal pref is BIG dogs. I want a Caucasian Mastiff, but hubby wont let me LOL, and he wants a boston or frenchie...so thats why we have a pitbull and a beagle. We meet in the middle for now. Wish there was a dog park close by so I could get me some pupper luvins.
 
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I don't think I could train a small dog, even though I've even leash trained people's cats.

But as much as the people have an influence on the dog, everyone should always look into what breeds would fit with them; even if they're getting a lovable mutt. Labs can be independant, either really smart or really stupid, love the water, and can be lazy but when they have energy or get to go out they are full of energy. They think like a puppy for years, and many people can't handle this. Personally I love it; they don't want to grow up. That and they're instant friends with anyone, but they always have a special bond with someone.

Labs fit right into my lifestyle, granted, it'll be more so once I start going to the beach semi-regularly or if I move back to Arizona.


"I has a bucket, ands I loves it."
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Eva_ChangeN said:
Ask for PennHip, OFA, TVD and CERF health testing on parents and grandparents, since recessive genetics can skip a generation. Any kind of show results, whether it be obedience, trailing, therapy, show ring/conformation, service dog, agility or (rare for Labs) schutzhund/protection as this can help gauge the "train-ability" and easy of training and socializing of the litter. Make sure they have at least 2 sets of shots and not leave the mother until around 8 weeks of age. Ask for vet and owner references. Ask for a copy of a contract/puppy agreement AHEAD of time so you can review the legalities. People can say what ever they want on paper, but IF you get a puppy that ends up having genetic issues and the breeder "says" they guarantee, and there is no legal standing, your stuck with a lemon pup. BTW- most states have an actual "Lemon Puppy Law" where you can have a pup vet checked within 72 hours and if it is deemed "poor quality/health" other than what was stated on you "paperwork" then you can return the pup to the breeder for a refund or 2nd pick. Also, most good breeders will accept a pup/dog back ANYTIME in its life if anything happens where you can't keep the dog, so as to prevent their pups ending up in shelters. If you need any more info or have questions, let me know. I have been training,showing,rescuing, and occasionally breeding dogs of different breeds since I was 16 (so about 12 years) ;)

^ This is great advice! :clap:

I've worked in the animal field for 5 years, and I have been a Veterinary Technician for 2 of those. If I were you, I would contact your future veterinarian prior to finding a breeder. You should schedule a consultation before adopting a puppy to discuss all of your options. During this consultation, you should be able to ask the staff at the animal hospital to contact their clients who own labs for references to trusted breeders. Also, don't be afraid to ask your veterinarian what questions you should be asking the breeder. They are there to help you find the healthiest puppy to adopt.

A great breeder will cover the cost of 4 sets of vaccinations (6, 8, 12, & 16 weeks old), deworming, flea & tick preventative (at least for one month), fecal testing to check for intestinal parasites, and the full cost of spay or neuter (at least they do in Texas & Florida). A great breeder will allow you to bring the puppy into the Veterinarian the day of the adoption to confirm that it is healthy. You should be able to bring the puppy back to the breeder if it is not healthy in any way (Eva said something about this - check with your Vet about laws in your area). They shouldn't have anything to hide, and if they avoid this step... Don't do business with that breeder!

A good breeder will take a puppy into the vet immediately if they have any of the issues that I state below as these are common signs to bigger problems in puppies. Also, they would not adopt it out during treatment of any illnesses. So, do not adopt the puppy if it has any of the following (probably common sense to you, but I want to cover everything):

- Heart murmur (a patient of mine was adopted with a heart murmur only to have heart surgery, and died on the table of the operating room. They can correct themselves over months, but why take the risk with a new pup?)
- Nasal & Eye Discharge (sign of upper resp inf, distemper, etc)
- Wheezing / Coughing (sign of kennel cough, distemper, pneumonia, etc.)
- Any kind of weird twitching or signs of seizures (sign of distemper, neurological disorders, rabies (rare), etc.)
- Diarrhea, vomiting, & anorexia (sign of worms, malnutrition, parvo virus, etc.)

If you're feeling uneasy, you can run a blood work panel during the puppies first visit ($75-$150 depending on the clinic) to check for signs of infection, anemia, dehydration, malnutrition, etc. Basically, you're seeing how the puppies organs are functioning. The results will most likely be no significant findings, but it will be great to have before the puppy is spayed / neutered as their Pre-Op bloodwork. Our panels would be good for 3 months before any surgery.

As I am sure you know, labs are prone to obesity. You increase the risk of hip dysplasia if they are overweight. This is something you will have to monitor throughout their life!! So, talk with your veterinarian about a food that is appropriate for breeds who tend to get fat, and watch how much you feed your lab especially after it's neutered (metabolism slows down after neuter). Also, increase activity after your dog is neutered (walks, dog park, run, etc.). Slowly switch your puppy to an adult food around 8 months old as puppy food is very fatty.

Talk to their doctor about Glucosamine & Chondroitin for your lab. Ask them when it'll be best to start administering this medication to help prevent orthopedic problems. Usually we'd have our clients start once they were a year old. A lot of large breed puppy foods have Glucosamine in them. :) http://www.vetinfo.com/effects-glucosamine-dogs.html

Sometimes we'd do radiographs on larger breeds like labs around a year old to have a baseline photo of their hips / pelvis / knees. This will most likely run you anywhere from $120-$175 depending on the clinic. The vet I worked for would advise the owner to take them throughout the years to monitor the dog for hip dysplasia. This is very important when your dog reaches his/her senior years (7+ years). This might be a good option for you and your dog if you're really concerned about hip dysplasia.

Well... damn... I wrote you a book. >.< Don't be afraid to ask me anything if you have any questions. I still have a good relationship with my previous boss and can ask them any animal related questions if you need help. :dance: I hope I didn't bore you too much...
 
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