How long is a model "obligated" to cam after token goal?

[DudeExtreme]

I see nothing wrong with feeling bad if a model you like isn't doing well--on a night, a week or a month--or even in general.

Just because it's a "business," it doesn't remove the human element from either model or member, and "business" isn't something we're born with. Yes, it can be taken to absurd extremes, but I'm with MegansDude here. If I thought models were simply performing robots and didn't give a shit about anything but the "business model" or some other buzz word, I'd lose most of the joy of entering cam chats.

I'm not saying don't feel anything. But I am saying don't get it all in your head when a favorite isn't doing well on a given day/week/month to the point where it weighs on you and you consider spending money you don't have to help her out. There's the normal empathy you should have, then there's being probably a little too involved. And to some that line can be hard to see for themselves.

So far, what I've spent I do have the money to back me up. I may sometimes spend a little more than I had planned, but it is always within my means. Thanks for the advice and concerns. I do appreciate that.

 

[DudeExtreme]

I have observed this behavior fairly often, generally among new very good looking models. In some case the seem to be able to get away with it pretty much forever.

However, I will note there is a consistent top 100 model that started her career doing exactly these type of scams. In some cases just abruptly going off cam, then coming back on cam couple hours latter fully clothed and starting the countdown over again. I even wrote to to MFC to complain.

The good news is that I've observed her recently she seems to be behaving much more responsibility lately. Giving videos when promised, providing a true cum show, and generally doing what is expected. I have no idea what cause the change in behavior complaints to MFC, peer pressure or realizing the pool of tipping suckers was rapidly being depleted. So if she is new I'd cut her some slack, but of course no tips until she changes.

Does MFC ever reply back to you when complaints are sent? I'm just curious. I've never sent a complaint in yet.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

I have observed this behavior fairly often, generally among new very good looking models. In some case the seem to be able to get away with it pretty much forever.

However, I will note there is a consistent top 100 model that started her career doing exactly these type of scams. In some cases just abruptly going off cam, then coming back on cam couple hours latter fully clothed and starting the countdown over again. I even wrote to to MFC to complain.

The good news is that I've observed her recently she seems to be behaving much more responsibility lately. Giving videos when promised, providing a true cum show, and generally doing what is expected. I have no idea what cause the change in behavior complaints to MFC, peer pressure or realizing the pool of tipping suckers was rapidly being depleted. So if she is new I'd cut her some slack, but of course no tips until she changes.

Does MFC ever reply back to you when complaints are sent? I'm just curious. I've never sent a complaint in yet.

It is somewhat random. I did get a satisfactory response to my issue with a missing private, but for everything else no not really. I didn't really expect it in this case.

 

[Zoomer]

MFC does reply at times but it does depend upon what the complaint is I think.

One time I was angry and stated that I would not buy any more tokens until the issue was resolved.
They replied within 5 minutes of the email being sent.

 

[HarmlessSquirrel]

Since I'm particularly interested in the hanging out aspect of things, I would like the answer to be "a fairly long time," or at least I'd like for the time spent in chat by the model to be a fairly long time. If that means that the goal amount is somewhat larger to account for possibly being online longer, that's all right with me.

From my point of view, a problem with the model leaving shortly after goals are met is that it's sort of a disincentive to tip early because it's just going to cause her to leave faster. I guess the opposite is true if what you want is to see the model strip or do a show -- in that case speeding things up makes sense. Naturally, on MFC, camscore is a big reason models sometime leave quickly after they're done with countdowns or goals. For this reason, I like to do some of my tipping in what otherwise might be "dead" time to help counteract the penalty to the model for hanging out afterward. I see value in that extra time, so I'm willing to tip for it.

Anyway, I don't have a specific amount of time in mind, but I do think if there's a countdown or goal amount set for a model to do something (unless it's stated as just a flash), the appropriate thing for her to do would be to be around for a while (i.e., more than just a few minutes) when the amount is reached. Also, I include going to group or private after the countdown as "leaving" in this sense since for the room in general, the model is effectively gone when that happens. I'm not nuts about it when there's a countdown for nude at which point there will be a group. It doesn't make me mad because it's usually stated up front, but, unless I'm planning to do group, which is only a once in a while thing for me, it does tend to sap my enthusiasm for reaching the goal.

As the OP stated, of course the model never HAS to do anything, but sticking around for a while after reaching her goal will tend to result in happier customers.

 

[LadyLuna]

As a member, I would be dissappointed if a countdown that is over 500 tokens leads to a show that's less than five minutes, and over 1000 tokens I feel should result in a 10 minute show. How long she stays after that, well, that's up to how the model feels. If she's done with all her countdowns, and has little hope of private or tips, I will not be offended if she leaves right away, as long as she gives a proper goodbye.

I myself have had times where I just really need to get to sleep, but finally reach the countdown at the very end of the shift. My countdown is actually not stated in the room, though it's listed on my profile. I give a minimum of 15 minutes, because while it is a 2000 token countdown, I'm not getting tips specifically for it, and I include every token I get in the countdown, unless specifically asked not to include a certain member's tokens.

In fact, when my countdown was 500 tokens, I still made it a min of 15 mins for every time I reached it. There was one night where they kept me on for an extra hour, tipping 500 within those 15 mins x.x I had to make a corollory that I wouldn't stay on more than half an hour past log-off time unless it was a private, because I need my sleep.

 

[LaceyRoyce]

There are little exceptions to this I feel.

I do a "STRIP NUDE" on my porch countdown (usually 500-900tks) sometimes a little extra that will include a streak to my - very exposed mail box. This is not a 'nude' show but a daring... quick.. naked exposure out by the street. I've never had a complaint yet...

However in the case you're describing OP I too think she will learn quickly that it's not good practice to mislead guys this way.

 

[HarmlessSquirrel]

There are little exceptions to this I feel.

I do a "STRIP NUDE" on my porch countdown (usually 500-900tks) sometimes a little extra that will include a streak to my - very exposed mail box. This is not a 'nude' show but a daring... quick.. naked exposure out by the street. I've never had a complaint yet...

This seems perfectly fine because it's more of a creative variant of a flash than a countdown to have you hang around naked for a while. If I understand what you're saying, the point of the countdown is to have you do a somewhat public exposure and dash, with no expectation that you're going to stand around like that afterward. I'm not surprised there are no complaints because it isn't misleading.

 

[LaceyRoyce]

There are little exceptions to this I feel.

I do a "STRIP NUDE" on my porch countdown (usually 500-900tks) sometimes a little extra that will include a streak to my - very exposed mail box. This is not a 'nude' show but a daring... quick.. naked exposure out by the street. I've never had a complaint yet...

This seems perfectly fine because it's more of a creative variant of a flash than a countdown to have you hang around naked for a while. If I understand what you're saying, the point of the countdown is to have you do a somewhat public exposure and dash, with no expectation that you're going to stand around like that afterward. I'm not surprised there are no complaints because it isn't misleading.

Well, if i were to put 'strip nude countdown' in my topic indoors, and immediately covered up after a short strip .. I feel like I'd have a few members complain. So I think CONTEXT is a big part of it... they understand theres cars passing, Im out on the street... and they're paying the amount for the danger/daring!

I guess that was what I was trying to say... not dissagreeing really with anything said in this thread, j ust providing some food for thought

 

[Zoomer]

Context is a massive part of it. A streak is something presenting a risk or chance. Sitting naked in your own home does not have anything remotely similar unless it's "my room-mate may bust me and they've never seen me naked". The tips are more for the desire to see you taking that risk then a desire to see you naked.

 

[ComicOzzie]

This thread reminds me of the episode of Seinfeld where Jerry gets chastised for throwing away a birthday card after a few days and wonders how long he is obligated to display it.

 

[Anonymous]

This thread reminds me of the episode of Seinfeld where Jerry gets chastised for throwing away a birthday card after a few days and wonders how long he is obligated to display it.

And since 1987, his grandmom sent him a birthday card with a $10 check inside. So he had a pile of cards with checks inside that had never been cashed...lol.

I kinda cheated and looked up the episode info on Google just now, but I did see the episode before.

 

[ScarletVixen]

This thread reminds me of the episode of Seinfeld where Jerry gets chastised for throwing away a birthday card after a few days and wonders how long he is obligated to display it.

And since 1987, his grandmom sent him a birthday card with a $10 check inside. So he had a pile of cards with checks inside that had never been cashed...lol.

I kinda cheated and looked up the episode info on Google just now, but I did see the episode before.

Gah, uncashed checks, it boggles the mind! :shock: :lol:

 

[LadyLuna]

I really don't understand unchashed checks, unless they're something like 5 cents (seriously, I have one share of Disney stock that sends me about 35 cents a year, and sometimes I just forget to cash the thing.)

I mean, those things have expiration dates! I think it's 3 months if it's a personal check, and 6 months if it's a company check, but either way, if you don't cash it for a long time, it's not good anymore.

 

[Kunra9]

This thread reminds me of the episode of Seinfeld where Jerry gets chastised for throwing away a birthday card after a few days and wonders how long he is obligated to display it.

And since 1987, his grandmom sent him a birthday card with a $10 check inside. So he had a pile of cards with checks inside that had never been cashed...lol.

I kinda cheated and looked up the episode info on Google just now, but I did see the episode before.

It gets better because Kramer convinces Jerry to cash them. So he does, which then drains his Grandma's checking account and checks start bouncing.

One of my favorite TV shows ever! (I'm 33, give me a break)

 

[Kunra9]

Just to show an example of the other side of this and how stupid members can be...

So tonight Stacy Doll was on for quite awhile, ended up getting naked and doing a cum show.

It gets late, a few straggler tips here and there but nothing to be excited about. There is no topic set for any kind of show at all.

So she announces that she is going to log off. A bunch of dudes start flipping out on here telling her to show various things before she logs off. One guy who had tipped her 20 tokens 2 minutes prior says "last time I ever tip you."

She looks confused and even says "what did I do wrong??"

Guys make more demands for her to show stuff. So she actually gives in and stands up, shows tits, ass and pussy, then says "Ok I'm going to bed"

One guy makes a comment about her "taking tokens and not showing anything"

She literally is like "excuse me??? I just did a CUM SHOW! What more do you want??"

Which ofcourse was a mistake because every freeloader had suggestions "bj show, finger ass" etc etc.

Out of frustration she stands again, shows her entire body again, then logs off. And people were still bad-mouthing her after she was gone.

So it just goes to show that even if a model does everything and then some, there will always be somebody demanding more.

 

[UncleThursday]

Plus it's almost 6 AM where Stacey is, so I don't blame her for logging off if it's slowed down.

Plus, she did a show, if the late comers missed it, it's not her fault. I knew she was naked a while, but I never opened her cam, so I guess I missed it too. Should I be all upset that I missed it because I didn't open her cam? I mean, I tipped her 30 tokens or so the other night, where's my reciprocation? AMIRITE?

There are definitely some stupid members on MFC, no doubt. Some of them have spent a lot of money, some have spent just enough so that they never get muted ($20 basics). Stupidity knows no bounds, though. Even in the lounge 10k you read some of the most idiotic shit, and some of the stupidest pimps, too; so, like I said, it's not limited to people who have made a MFC career of freeloading.