Best/Most Satisfying Private

[Evvie]

Alcon...Well, online friendships in general are not like offline friendships...but that doesn't invalidate them as real. Yeah, some models may be like androids and are unaffected by mutual interaction. But most models I've talked with are way more than that...not just "real humans" putting on an act but real, caring individuals who simply are constrained by limits...and that limit has to do with personal security. As long as you keep the model's feelings about personal security in mind, and get out of your mind that they're just pumping you for bucks, you might find an entirely new level (for you) of human to human experience.

But it's more than just personal security, it's a transfer of tokens. I'm not saying that real friendships can't develop on MFC. But once it becomes a real friendship, then it'll happen outside MFC, private shows, and paid Skype shows. It'll happen for free.

Do you also to to restaurants and get mad and order the waitresses around like servants because they're "objectifying" you?
Same thing.

I don't get mad at camgirls, I obviously don't see anything wrong with it, as I patronize MFC. At the same time, I don't consider waitresses and servants my friends or buddies. I consider them the people who bring me food. That doesn't stop me from treating them with respect as people. But whether they get personal pleasure out of bringing me food is none of my concern, as long as I will make sure to leave them a generous tip if the service was decent. This is exactly analogous to camming.

Wow... I sure would never want to do a show with you.

 

[Alcon]

Alcon...Well, online friendships in general are not like offline friendships...but that doesn't invalidate them as real. Yeah, some models may be like androids and are unaffected by mutual interaction. But most models I've talked with are way more than that...not just "real humans" putting on an act but real, caring individuals who simply are constrained by limits...and that limit has to do with personal security. As long as you keep the model's feelings about personal security in mind, and get out of your mind that they're just pumping you for bucks, you might find an entirely new level (for you) of human to human experience.

But it's more than just personal security, it's a transfer of tokens. I'm not saying that real friendships can't develop on MFC. But once it becomes a real friendship, then it'll happen outside MFC, private shows, and paid Skype shows. It'll happen for free.

Do you also to to restaurants and get mad and order the waitresses around like servants because they're "objectifying" you?
Same thing.

I don't get mad at camgirls, I obviously don't see anything wrong with it, as I patronize MFC. At the same time, I don't consider waitresses and servants my friends or buddies. I consider them the people who bring me food. That doesn't stop me from treating them with respect as people. But whether they get personal pleasure out of bringing me food is none of my concern, as long as I will make sure to leave them a generous tip if the service was decent. This is exactly analogous to camming.

Wow... I sure would never want to do a show with you.

So you think members have the obligation to guarantee your pleasure and consider you a personal friend on top of paying you tokens? That is just absurd. In any case, let's move this discussion somewhere else, it's off topic.

 

[Deleted member 8603]

Alcon...Well, online friendships in general are not like offline friendships...but that doesn't invalidate them as real. Yeah, some models may be like androids and are unaffected by mutual interaction. But most models I've talked with are way more than that...not just "real humans" putting on an act but real, caring individuals who simply are constrained by limits...and that limit has to do with personal security. As long as you keep the model's feelings about personal security in mind, and get out of your mind that they're just pumping you for bucks, you might find an entirely new level (for you) of human to human experience.

But it's more than just personal security, it's a transfer of tokens. I'm not saying that real friendships can't develop on MFC. But once it becomes a real friendship, then it'll happen outside MFC, private shows, and paid Skype shows. It'll happen for free.

Do you also to to restaurants and get mad and order the waitresses around like servants because they're "objectifying" you?
Same thing.

I don't get mad at camgirls, I obviously don't see anything wrong with it, as I patronize MFC. At the same time, I don't consider waitresses and servants my friends or buddies. I consider them the people who bring me food. That doesn't stop me from treating them with respect as people. But whether they get personal pleasure out of bringing me food is none of my concern, as long as I will make sure to leave them a generous tip if the service was decent. This is exactly analogous to camming.

Wow... I sure would never want to do a show with you.

So you think members have the obligation to guarantee your pleasure and consider you a personal friend on top of paying you tokens? That is just absurd. In any case, let's move this discussion somewhere else, it's off topic.

You're the kind of guy almost no girl wants to do a show for.

You're not obligated to be our friend, but you can have some human decency.
We are NOT robots. We're real people who want to enjoy our jobs.

I used to be a waitress and the people who spoke to me like a servant were the worst.
People who would say "thank you" and "please", but still obviously didn't give a flying fuck if I died on the way home that night. That's treating someone like they're not HUMAN, which, in my opinion, is far worse than being rude in many cases.
Then there were people who greeted me with real smiles and made my job easier and more enjoyable.
So yes, it still is relatable to waitressing, and you're the kind of person I didn't want to serve as a waitress, either.

If you think we're such cold little sex machines, why in the hell did you join a forum full of us?

 

[JoleneBrody]

Alcon.
I really like my barista that serves me coffee everyday. I sit and chat with her every morning and she makes me kick ass coffee, I don't expect to get free coffee now because we enjoy each others company. I'm still enjoying her company in her place of business. In fact I tip her well above average for a coffee tip because I enjoy my coffee visits just a bit more than a standard cup o' jo.
Everyone is entitled to their own view of life but I'm not sure why you treat MFC any differently than you would treat any other business you are a regular of? If romance developed, yeah, that makes sense! But friendship?

On my own personal note, I'm hard to take private because I'm choosy about who I'll go with. I like to enjoy my time and feel comfortable with the person I'm with. It doesn't matter how many tokens a member has, if I don't enjoy my time with them I'm not going private with them.
As much as MFC is my place of business, I still reserve the "no shoes, no shirt, no service" type policy. "no orgasms, no manners, no private."

 

[Evvie]

Alcon...Well, online friendships in general are not like offline friendships...but that doesn't invalidate them as real. Yeah, some models may be like androids and are unaffected by mutual interaction. But most models I've talked with are way more than that...not just "real humans" putting on an act but real, caring individuals who simply are constrained by limits...and that limit has to do with personal security. As long as you keep the model's feelings about personal security in mind, and get out of your mind that they're just pumping you for bucks, you might find an entirely new level (for you) of human to human experience.

But it's more than just personal security, it's a transfer of tokens. I'm not saying that real friendships can't develop on MFC. But once it becomes a real friendship, then it'll happen outside MFC, private shows, and paid Skype shows. It'll happen for free.

Do you also to to restaurants and get mad and order the waitresses around like servants because they're "objectifying" you?
Same thing.

I don't get mad at camgirls, I obviously don't see anything wrong with it, as I patronize MFC. At the same time, I don't consider waitresses and servants my friends or buddies. I consider them the people who bring me food. That doesn't stop me from treating them with respect as people. But whether they get personal pleasure out of bringing me food is none of my concern, as long as I will make sure to leave them a generous tip if the service was decent. This is exactly analogous to camming.

Wow... I sure would never want to do a show with you.

So you think members have the obligation to guarantee your pleasure and consider you a personal friend on top of paying you tokens? That is just absurd. In any case, let's move this discussion somewhere else, it's off topic.

That was a misthank.

And do you seriously believe that I demand members act like my personal friend and ensure my personal enjoyment? That's just ridiculous.

However, your philosophy delegates models to a subhuman status where you literally do not care if they are upset or unhappy, you just want to pay in and use their bodies. You believe that models are heartless whores who are only there for money; you admit that you could never find an actual connection, because once a connection appears, it instantly becomes void when money is involved. You are a member that dislikes cam models and believes we should be used like mindless robots.

 

[UncleThursday]

This is just me, but I never expect the model to get sexual pleasure out of the private. I do view it as a rather cold transactional sense. I think it's great of the model enjoys it too, but if I wanted a genuine experience where both sides are really having fun, it makes no sense that one party is sending money to other party.

So...

Why do you watch cam models at all, then?

My own pleasure (both sexual and social).

Even though you believe the majority of models don't want to interact with you and they only do it for money?

That's what I believe, in my case. I interact with plenty of women off of MFC, so I'm fine with that.

Now, I am hardly the epitome of the most god awful gorgeous and rich man on earth that most models would be trying to get into repeat privates... but most models I have taken private really seem to enjoy themselves and want me to take them private again. And not just for the money.

There's ways to make the model truly enjoy herself, while still letting the member enjoy his or her self. It's not hard.

Treat her with respect. Let her know what you like, let her let you know what she likes. Try and make sure you're both comfortable with each other. Don't take her private just long enough for you to get off then immediately end it. Make her feel sexy. Let her know if you enjoyed yourself afterwards, and find out if she did too.

It doesn't matter if the model is in a relationship or single, she can get her own sexual satisfaction from the right kind of private. I know one married model that completely gets off when we're in private; and she has no intention of cheating on her husband or anything like that. She just likes feeling wanted, she likes feeling sexy to the eyes of men besides her husband. She likes the fantasy time of privates.

However, if you treat a private as simply a business transaction that allows you to get your rocks off, then it's a fair bet that most models won't enjoy themselves in the private, but only do it for the money (if they even accept a repeat private from you in the future). If you leave it up to the model to make it enjoyable for herself, then she isn't going to think you're enjoying the private and she actually won't enjoy herself.

The only regular poster in this forum that I have taken private is PlayboyMegan. And I don't expect her to remember our private from over a year ago, but if she does, the thing she might remember the most is that it was freezing here, and I had on long thermal underwear. :lol: But, that's ok with me. She seemed to enjoy the private at the time and she's never taken me off her friends list, even though I don't get to see her much now that she cams in the daylight hours. So, obviously I did something right.

 

[Albert_1]

Alcon...Well, online friendships in general are not like offline friendships...but that doesn't invalidate them as real. Yeah, some models may be like androids and are unaffected by mutual interaction. But most models I've talked with are way more than that...not just "real humans" putting on an act but real, caring individuals who simply are constrained by limits...and that limit has to do with personal security. As long as you keep the model's feelings about personal security in mind, and get out of your mind that they're just pumping you for bucks, you might find an entirely new level (for you) of human to human experience.

But it's more than just personal security, it's a transfer of tokens. I'm not saying that real friendships can't develop on MFC. But once it becomes a real friendship, then it'll happen outside MFC, private shows, and paid Skype shows. It'll happen for free.

Um, why would being a models friend mean you get free cum shows? I talk to and hang out with my friends not masturbate with them. If you're friends with a model (I have a few I think of as friends) you've still got to pay them for sexy time. Just like if you're friend is a plumber, expecting them to fix your toilet for free is a dick move on your part. :twocents-02cents:

 

[UncleThursday]

Alcon.
I really like my barista that serves me coffee everyday. I sit and chat with her every morning and she makes me kick ass coffee, I don't expect to get free coffee now because we enjoy each others company. I'm still enjoying her company in her place of business. In fact I tip her well above average for a coffee tip because I enjoy my coffee visits just a bit more than a standard cup o' jo.
Everyone is entitled to their own view of life but I'm not sure why you treat MFC any differently than you would treat any other business you are a regular of? If romance developed, yeah, that makes sense! But friendship?

On my own personal note, I'm hard to take private because I'm choosy about who I'll go with. I like to enjoy my time and feel comfortable with the person I'm with. It doesn't matter how many tokens a member has, if I don't enjoy my time with them I'm not going private with them.
As much as MFC is my place of business, I still reserve the "no shoes, no shirt, no service" type policy. "no orgasms, no manners, no private."

Just remember the bra hat if I ever try to take you private, JJ.

Also, one of my best friends started out as my waitress at a local diner. Now we celebrate birthdays together (she is 6 days older than I am), go out to our favorite bars when we have the time, etc. And, like JJ, I tipped her extremely well when she was my waitress. We used to joke I bought her a car with all my tips. But it didn't change the eventual friendship that evolved over 15 years ago.

 

[Alcon]

You're the kind of guy almost no girl wants to do a show for.

You're not obligated to be our friend, but you can have some human decency.
We are NOT robots. We're real people who want to enjoy our jobs.

I used to be a waitress and the people who spoke to me like a servant were the worst.
People who would say "thank you" and "please", but still obviously didn't give a flying fuck if I died on the way home that night. That's treating someone like they're not HUMAN, which, in my opinion, is far worse than being rude in many cases.
Then there were people who greeted me with real smiles and made my job easier and more enjoyable.
So yes, it still is relatable to waitressing, and you're the kind of person I didn't want to serve as a waitress, either.

If you think we're such cold little sex machines, why in the hell did you join a forum full of us?

You are putting words into my mouth. I never said A) you are "robots", B) you are not "real people who want to enjoy [your] jobs", C) I did not give a "flying fuck" if my waitress died on the way home, or D) you are "sex machines". Of course I care if you die and I hope your job is easy and enjoyable! I have a heart of course.

All I am saying is that, as a member, I can't take responsibility in a private show for whether the model is enjoying herself or not. How do I even know if she is enjoying herself? She may act like she is, but then again it's her job to act like it. She may act happy on cam because it's her job, laugh at jokes she thinks are not funny, or refrain from calling out a rude member who tips her 1 token, because she wants to maintain a positive atmosphere in her room. She may even fake orgasm if she thinks the member wants to believe that, but maybe she already came multiple times that day and she is tired. It's the model's job to manage relationships, build regulars, and keep people happy and coming back to her. It's her job to create a fantasy, for some members it's an illusion of an ideal relationship that we can't get in real life. So all the interaction is affected by the fact the blur between genuine pleasure and what she needs to do to do her job. Of course, your mileage will vary. Some models have other jobs and really do just come on MFC for fun, they don't need the money or tokens. Other models don't have another source of income and the money is really important. From the member's perspective though, I don't know what a model's personal finances and life situation is like. But I assume you are all there for the money at least to a large extent, because if you just want to meet guys there are a lot of other social sites that you can go to, that don't involve money changing hands.

 

[Evvie]

Alcon...Well, online friendships in general are not like offline friendships...but that doesn't invalidate them as real. Yeah, some models may be like androids and are unaffected by mutual interaction. But most models I've talked with are way more than that...not just "real humans" putting on an act but real, caring individuals who simply are constrained by limits...and that limit has to do with personal security. As long as you keep the model's feelings about personal security in mind, and get out of your mind that they're just pumping you for bucks, you might find an entirely new level (for you) of human to human experience.

But it's more than just personal security, it's a transfer of tokens. I'm not saying that real friendships can't develop on MFC. But once it becomes a real friendship, then it'll happen outside MFC, private shows, and paid Skype shows. It'll happen for free.

Um, why would being a models friend mean you get free cum shows? I talk to and hang out with my friends not masturbate with them. If you're friends with a model (I have a few I think of as friends) you've still got to pay them for sexy time. Just like if you're friend is a plumber, expecting them to fix your toilet for free is a dick move on your part. :twocents-02cents:

Yes... none of us can enjoy spending time with a member, because if we DID we would give him hundreds of dollars worth of shows for free. Tautologically brilliant!

 

[Alcon]

Alcon.
I really like my barista that serves me coffee everyday. I sit and chat with her every morning and she makes me kick ass coffee, I don't expect to get free coffee now because we enjoy each others company. I'm still enjoying her company in her place of business. In fact I tip her well above average for a coffee tip because I enjoy my coffee visits just a bit more than a standard cup o' jo.
Everyone is entitled to their own view of life but I'm not sure why you treat MFC any differently than you would treat any other business you are a regular of? If romance developed, yeah, that makes sense! But friendship?

On my own personal note, I'm hard to take private because I'm choosy about who I'll go with. I like to enjoy my time and feel comfortable with the person I'm with. It doesn't matter how many tokens a member has, if I don't enjoy my time with them I'm not going private with them.
As much as MFC is my place of business, I still reserve the "no shoes, no shirt, no service" type policy. "no orgasms, no manners, no private."

Jolene,
I never said that I don't really like any models, I do. I also never said that I don't tip well above average for some models because I like them, I do. I do enjoy some models company and yes, I believe some of them enjoy mine. I also never said that, real friendships (or real romances for that matter!-however exceedingly rare) can't develop on MFC. However, if you only know someone solely through the place of work, and only interact with them in that setting, then I don't really consider it a 'friendship'. To me, a true friendship also extends beyond the person's job. Also, I don't pay my female friends to have sex with me. I don't think of them in that way. I think if I brought up such a thing, it would get in the way of the friendship, if not end it entirely. Heck, if I saw a female friend of mine who I know in real life on MFC, I don't think I would ever pervert on her/tip her for sexual acts/look at her private parts. I just wouldn't feel right. I understand that others may differ.

 

[Evvie]

You're the kind of guy almost no girl wants to do a show for.

You're not obligated to be our friend, but you can have some human decency.
We are NOT robots. We're real people who want to enjoy our jobs.

I used to be a waitress and the people who spoke to me like a servant were the worst.
People who would say "thank you" and "please", but still obviously didn't give a flying fuck if I died on the way home that night. That's treating someone like they're not HUMAN, which, in my opinion, is far worse than being rude in many cases.
Then there were people who greeted me with real smiles and made my job easier and more enjoyable.
So yes, it still is relatable to waitressing, and you're the kind of person I didn't want to serve as a waitress, either.

If you think we're such cold little sex machines, why in the hell did you join a forum full of us?

You are putting words into my mouth. I never said A) you are "robots", B) you are not "real people who want to enjoy [your] jobs", C) I did not give a "flying fuck" if my waitress died on the way home, or D) you are "sex machines". Of course I care if you die and I hope your job is easy and enjoyable! I have a heart of course.

All I am saying is that, as a member, I can't take responsibility in a private show for whether the model is enjoying herself or not. How do I even know if she is enjoying herself? She may act like she is, but then again it's her job to act like it. She may act happy on cam because it's her job, laugh at jokes she thinks are not funny, or refrain from calling out a rude member who tips her 1 token, because she wants to maintain a positive atmosphere in her room. She may even fake orgasm if she thinks the member wants to believe that, but maybe she already came multiple times that day and she is tired. It's the model's job to manage relationships, build regulars, and keep people happy and coming back to her. It's her job to create a fantasy, for some members it's an illusion of an ideal relationship that we can't get in real life. So all the interaction is affected by the fact the blur between genuine pleasure and what she needs to do to do her job. Of course, your mileage will vary. Some models have other jobs and really do just come on MFC for fun, they don't need the money or tokens. Other models don't have another source of income and the money is really important. From the member's perspective though, I don't know what a model's personal finances and life situation is like. But I assume you are all there for the money at least to a large extent, because if you just want to meet guys there are a lot of other social sites that you can go to, that don't involve money changing hands.

Yeah. None of that changes the fact that you believe all your interactions with models are cold transactions (your words) and that you don't believe you ever experience genuine enjoyment with a model (your words) and that models only objectify you (your words) and that you are only treated like a human vending machine (your words) and that models are only "servers" who bring you a service (your words) like waitresses (your words) and that if a model ever is your friend she should give you sexual services for free (your words).

It sounds like all your time spent with models is cold, heartless and empty, and then you joined a forum with models in it just to enjoy more of the same emotionless objectification?

 

[Deleted member 8603]

You're the kind of guy almost no girl wants to do a show for.

You're not obligated to be our friend, but you can have some human decency.
We are NOT robots. We're real people who want to enjoy our jobs.

I used to be a waitress and the people who spoke to me like a servant were the worst.
People who would say "thank you" and "please", but still obviously didn't give a flying fuck if I died on the way home that night. That's treating someone like they're not HUMAN, which, in my opinion, is far worse than being rude in many cases.
Then there were people who greeted me with real smiles and made my job easier and more enjoyable.
So yes, it still is relatable to waitressing, and you're the kind of person I didn't want to serve as a waitress, either.

If you think we're such cold little sex machines, why in the hell did you join a forum full of us?

You are putting words into my mouth. I never said A) you are "robots", B) you are not "real people who want to enjoy [your] jobs", C) I did not give a "flying fuck" if my waitress died on the way home, or D) you are "sex machines". Of course I care if you die and I hope your job is easy and enjoyable! I have a heart of course.

All I am saying is that, as a member, I can't take responsibility in a private show for whether the model is enjoying herself or not. How do I even know if she is enjoying herself? She may act like she is, but then again it's her job to act like it. She may act happy on cam because it's her job, laugh at jokes she thinks are not funny, or refrain from calling out a rude member who tips her 1 token, because she wants to maintain a positive atmosphere in her room. She may even fake orgasm if she thinks the member wants to believe that, but maybe she already came multiple times that day and she is tired. It's the model's job to manage relationships, build regulars, and keep people happy and coming back to her. It's her job to create a fantasy, for some members it's an illusion of an ideal relationship that we can't get in real life. So all the interaction is affected by the fact the blur between genuine pleasure and what she needs to do to do her job. Of course, your mileage will vary. Some models have other jobs and really do just come on MFC for fun, they don't need the money or tokens. Other models don't have another source of income and the money is really important. From the member's perspective though, I don't know what a model's personal finances and life situation is like. But I assume you are all there for the money at least to a large extent, because if you just want to meet guys there are a lot of other social sites that you can go to, that don't involve money changing hands.

1-I don't fake orgasms
2-I'm friends with many guys that come in my room, and they still pay for shows.
3-This is my only job
4-I make more than a lot of people
5-I don't let people come into private again if I didn't enjoy their first show with me

I cam as a job because I LIKE to cam. I'd have to take two jobs to make up my income, and would have no time for camming if it weren't my main job.

 

[Deleted member 8603]

Also, to be on topic, my best shows are the ones where I have a GOOD dom.
Not some douchey "bend over, bitch" guy.
But one that tells me I've been a good girl when my ass is spanked red or makes me wait to cum and say "thank you" afterwards.

Orrrr...
Guys who will say really dirty things the whole time

Orr...
Guys who will joke and laugh with me while we're masturbating.

Orrr...
subs who really get off on me being as mean as possible

 

[Alcon]

You're the kind of guy almost no girl wants to do a show for.

You're not obligated to be our friend, but you can have some human decency.
We are NOT robots. We're real people who want to enjoy our jobs.

I used to be a waitress and the people who spoke to me like a servant were the worst.
People who would say "thank you" and "please", but still obviously didn't give a flying fuck if I died on the way home that night. That's treating someone like they're not HUMAN, which, in my opinion, is far worse than being rude in many cases.
Then there were people who greeted me with real smiles and made my job easier and more enjoyable.
So yes, it still is relatable to waitressing, and you're the kind of person I didn't want to serve as a waitress, either.

If you think we're such cold little sex machines, why in the hell did you join a forum full of us?

You are putting words into my mouth. I never said A) you are "robots", B) you are not "real people who want to enjoy [your] jobs", C) I did not give a "flying fuck" if my waitress died on the way home, or D) you are "sex machines". Of course I care if you die and I hope your job is easy and enjoyable! I have a heart of course.

All I am saying is that, as a member, I can't take responsibility in a private show for whether the model is enjoying herself or not. How do I even know if she is enjoying herself? She may act like she is, but then again it's her job to act like it. She may act happy on cam because it's her job, laugh at jokes she thinks are not funny, or refrain from calling out a rude member who tips her 1 token, because she wants to maintain a positive atmosphere in her room. She may even fake orgasm if she thinks the member wants to believe that, but maybe she already came multiple times that day and she is tired. It's the model's job to manage relationships, build regulars, and keep people happy and coming back to her. It's her job to create a fantasy, for some members it's an illusion of an ideal relationship that we can't get in real life. So all the interaction is affected by the fact the blur between genuine pleasure and what she needs to do to do her job. Of course, your mileage will vary. Some models have other jobs and really do just come on MFC for fun, they don't need the money or tokens. Other models don't have another source of income and the money is really important. From the member's perspective though, I don't know what a model's personal finances and life situation is like. But I assume you are all there for the money at least to a large extent, because if you just want to meet guys there are a lot of other social sites that you can go to, that don't involve money changing hands.

Yeah. None of that changes the fact that you believe all your interactions with models are cold transactions (your words) and that you don't believe you ever experience genuine enjoyment with a model (your words) and that models only objectify you (your words) and that you are only treated like a human vending machine (your words) and that models are only "servers" who bring you a service (your words) like waitresses (your words) and that if a model ever is your friend she should give you sexual services for free (your words).

It sounds like all your time spent with models is cold, heartless and empty, and then you joined a forum with models in it just to enjoy more of the same emotionless objectification?

No, you're using parts of my words and then twisting their meaning. I never said if a model if my friend she should give me sexual services for free. I said that *friendship* is free. Friendship is distinct from sexual services and has nothing inherently to do with MFC or private shows. If a member is coming on MFC looking for friendship, he is looking in the wrong place. The comparison between models and waitresses was brought up by someone else, not me, and yes, models are workers who are doing a job and provide a service in exchange for money. I absolutely stand by that. I believe that there is an element of objectification in every commercial transaction, whether it is a model, a waitress, or anything else. It is just a fact of life under a capitalist society, it doesn't mean that I hate people who I do business with. It just is, the way it is. And I never said I don't experience genuine enjoyment with a model, just that I can't know if a model is experiencing genuine enjoyment, as long as money is being exchanged.

 

[Deleted member 8603]

:roll:

I'm done, guys.

He just can't get it.
I guess some people can't understand simple concepts.

 

[OpheliaChan]

Just FYI, Alcon: You're wrong. I had a member put me into the most amazing sub space in a private last week, and I haven't gone there in probably months upon months. That also happened to be my only private. So, yeah, you're wrong. I'm sure there are models out there who aren't enjoying themselves and put on sour faces during your privates but if you find that to be the case, switch it up a bit? I could list a dozen of girls that actually enjoy doing what they do. I don't know where your initial assumptions come from but you're really, really wrong.

Something tells me that you're just clinging to these false beliefs to make yourself feel better about freeloading or something. :twocents-02cents:

Either way, the stuff coming out of your mouth is single-handedly THE most ridiculous stuff I've heard all day. The fact that "friends" should get goods/services from each other for free is absolutely ridiculous. My mother is a real estate broker, so she technically provides a "service" and probably 60% of her very lucrative income comes from friends, family, referrals. She's also made friends with clients and continues to charge them fees - because, you know, any polite, sane, respectful person usually understands that this is her job - and even if she is enjoying herself - it's still taking time, work, effort.

So yeah, you could be bestest friends forever with a model but if it's her job to get nekkid on cam for you, it's her job. And it's still possible to enjoy a job, y'know. I don't understand where this "lol i'm a friend so i get things for free" stuff comes from. If you worked as a painter and we were friends, I wouldn't barge into your gallery and demand a free painting, now would I? It's your income. Replace painting with whatever.

I'm sorry if I'm late, that was just mind-boggling and rage inducing.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

All my private shows are usually very similar. About ten minutes spent introducing myself, getting to know the model, letting her know I don't like to rush/wont immediately bounce after I'm done, just basically trying to get the model comfortable with me. Followed by about ten minutes of teasing/checking out different outfits and then teasing in them, and slowly stripping. Then about 5 minutes of closeups and different butt views. Then about 5 minutes on a blowjob and ending with about 5 minutes saying thanks, hope to see ya again, etc. I never have a plan going into private shows but most of the shows go like that. It gets a little more hardcore when it's multiple visits while kinda staying the same. I've never felt bad or had a cold transaction feeling when using the models for sexual pleasure/entertainment and I hope they don't feel bad for using me for money. Most seem to be enjoying themselves as much as me so I don't see the harm in two consenting adults using each other for what they want.

Only a few things can keep a show from being awesome for me. When the model immediately gets naked when I enter private before I even say hello. I understand why they do it, but it can ruin the slow reveal and teasing parts of the show. Models working multiple sites or models that seem busy elsewhere. I get why they work multiple sites but in comparison to a show from a model whose giving you her full attention, rarely as fun/good. Some studio models are extremely good about not letting the multiple sites and noises affect their attention, but it can still be distracting. Along with bad audio or bad cam quality, that's about it.

 

[AmeliaArcana]

I'm super new and haven't done a lot of privates yet, but the ones I have done have all been great with the exception of one, where a guy took me to private, asked to see my bush, and then closed the window? I guess it wasn't bushy enough. heh.

My favorites are roleplay. I'm a switch and use a lot of roleplay in real life, so it comes naturally to me on camera. I like when a guy tells me what he wants to get out of the private rather than saying "whatever you want." Because, well, if you leave it up to me, I'm actually going to do whatever I want, which is usually to fuck myself in some way and get off!

I did a really fun secretary roleplay private last week where I got to wear a blazer and glasses and deal with my mean boss. The guy was super clear about what he wanted without giving me a script, and he let me act and ad-lib (cuz I super get into it) and we both had a blast.

 

[LadyLuna]

Alcon, let's see if I understand what you are saying:

-you prefer to keep the friendship separate from the sexy-times.
-you feel that if a model was friends with you, she would talk with you outside work, but not give you free shows.
-you are not worried if a model enjoys the private, as long as she does what you want from her within that private. But you don't go out of your way to make her not enjoy it either.

I feel like all of those are valid points. I think it's just the WAY that you say it which makes people uncomfortable. I admit, I was uncomfortable with some of the posts you made, but some of the others I don't mind.

So let me say this:

-as long as you treat me like a human, and not a cumbot, I will probably enjoy the private. If I don't enjoy it, then it's my own damn fault for not putting the effort in that would make me enjoy it.
-by treating me like a fembot, I mean simply giving orders, without the "hi, how are you, I'd like to see ___"

I've had a private, where the gentlman in question was very polite, and not treating me like cumbot. He asked how many fingers I can fit, and I said "I can fit all of them up to the knuckles, but it's not very comfortable." His response was "frankly my dear, I don't care." I said "fair enough!" and did it. Afterwards, I thanked him for it. Why? because he was treating me like a human, and the private like a transaction. Which I'm fine with. Did I enjoy the private? Yes and no. I didn't get off on it, but I'm happy that I was able to give him his money's worth. As far as I know, I haven't seen him again, and that's fine. If I have, that's fine too.

There's one gentleman who kept taking me farther and farther outside my comfort zone. We hit a private after which I said "never again", and he was okay with that. The first couple privates, he made sure afterwards that I was happy with what happened, but after that, he stopped doing so. At that point, it started feeling like a transaction. If he had kept up with that, and made sure that the aftercare was there after the goal of hte privates had been reached, I might have continued to do the sorts of privates he was interested in.

So, my point here, is that treating it like a transaction, I'll be willing to do things that won't get me off, but not anything that I feel emotionally/mentally uncomfortable with doing (physical discomfort is fine though). But if you treat me like an almost-friend, and bring that into the privates, my comfort zone is actually going to be farther out. I'll be more willing to do things for you that make me emotionally/mentally uncomfortable, because I know that after the private, you'll be there to help me through the mental stuff.

There are a very few people from MFC who have my personal skype. Those people could ask me things in private that I wouldn't do for anyone else. Because I'm THAT comfortable with them.

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I think, if you want to treat it like a transaction, Streamate is probably a better site for you.

 

[Shameless4U]

I’m fairly new to the forums, but I have been a Platinum Premium Member for a while now and I thought I would chime in on this topic. I’ve taken a few models and I can tell you I like to talk to models before I even think about taking her private. I know it’s a little weird, but its kind of nice to have a normal conversation with a model so you can really get to know her.
I know there has been a lot of talk in previous posts about becoming “friends” with models. While I talk to a couple of models on MFC I would consider “friends,” I also understand MFC is a job and while I would love to think these models consider me “friends,” I am not naïve enough to fall into that fantasy world, as much as I would love to ☺. All of my model friends do treat me very special and I can hope they feel like I treat them just as special. I may get a few perks here and there but as a “friend” I take pride in being able to contribute. Much like if I had a friend who was a server at a bar/restaurant, I would tip a little more because I know them and maybe they slip me a free drink or two, but nothing is expected, that is just one “friend” doing something nice for another “friend.”
Sorry to get off topic, back to best private. I had been in this certain models room for the first time back in July 2012. Great conversation, lots of interaction with everybody in her room, absolutely beautiful, gorgeous eyes, which I am sucker for and great music. At the time I was not on her friends list and she was very upfront about only doing privates with friends. I had absolutely nothing wrong with that especially know there are lots of 100 token private members out there lol.
After that first time seeing her on cam, we exchange occasional pleasantries on twitter, when we are both on I would usually find my way into her room, she would always remember me, which was nice and made me feel extra special. Just so happens we end up both being on the night she celebrates her birthday on cam. Tips for shots of alcohol and birthday game, which I end up being the big winner of the night, which never happens to me ☺ I tip to be added to her friends list and we PM and I catch her on cam every now and then. More great conversation and its just the little things models do to make us members feel special. Like being the first to PM you, so you don’t feel like you are bothering them.
Over the next couple of months we PM and tweet back and fourth, but one night in December during a group where she was really teasing me and just so sensual, we actually had about 15 minutes where it was just she and I in group so we had a little one on one time talking and typing it was really very sensual, lots of interaction. All of this while she is only topless so you can imagine my anticipation. During our conversation we talk about both loving to be teased and how we both love the buildup before anything sexual, and how sad she gets when guys take her private and just want to get right to it. To each their own. Prior to us going group she did have a request but decided to do the group first, so before the group ends I let her know to PM me when she is done with the other private as I would love to tease he some more.
We PM back and fourth and she tells me a friend text her drunk and needs a ride home. I think no big deal, we can do a private some other time, but she tells me she can wait, she was safe and we should continue the tease.
First couple of minutes of the private we talk about her friend and how she is ok and not in a jail cell somewhere. We have a good laugh; we start talking about both loving to be teased and about how she wants to tease me more. The way she talks to me, how she looks in the cam and how she touches herself is just mesmerizing. I decide to see how much teasing she can take. I just want he to do her thing, please herself any way she wants, but the only rule was she couldn’t cum until we agreed we couldn’t take anymore. She breaks out her toy. Lots of sexy soft moans, she tells me how much she loves being teased. She begs me to please let her cum, which just drives me crazy 7 minutes, from what I can tell she is thoroughly enjoying being teased and not being able to cum. She seems to be bringing herself right to the point where she is just about to explode and she backs off and slows down. Rubbing and stroking. She says I'm so mean, but I know down deep she loves it. She tells me how close she is getting and just stops. 10 minutes in, I don’t think this has been teased like this before. I wonder how much more she can take. At one point in time she has to take her hands off her toy and resort to rubbing herself because she is right on the edge. I’m loving it and it appears she is too. I’m typing naughty things to her. I ask how much more she can take. She says not much more. She swears she has been good and I should let her cum. I tell her maybe a couple more times. She gives me a pouty face and says she hasn’t been that bad. I continue to type and tease her. She says she has to be careful and swears that its torture and asks me very nicely to please let her cum. I finally comply and become witness to one of the most intense displays I have ever seen in my life. It was truly amazing to be able to make her cum like that. She tells me “That was good.” She said it was “different” cause she didn’t usually deprive herself like that. Lots of smiles and she seemed really genuine. Its nice to have a model say you were different, in a good way. 18:27 later, we both leave smile and I hope satisfied. It was really awesome and since our first private we have had one once a month for the last couple of months. Each one has been better and better.
To say I’m a regular or a fan is an understatement. She has been nothing but genuine and a sweetheart to me. It’s the little things she does that really do make the difference. When someone takes the time to make you feel that special knowing that she probably deals with hundreds of guys a day is really what makes any interaction “The Best.” I’m usually optimistic but I can tell you that over the year there are some models that have soured me on MFC, but last couple of experiences with this particular model has restored my faith.
Not bad for my first post! Thanks for the read ☺

 

[JerryBoBerry]

But it's more than just personal security, it's a transfer of tokens. I'm not saying that real friendships can't develop on MFC. But once it becomes a real friendship, then it'll happen outside MFC, private shows, and paid Skype shows. It'll happen for free.

Do you also to to restaurants and get mad and order the waitresses around like servants because they're "objectifying" you?
Same thing.

I don't get mad at camgirls, I obviously don't see anything wrong with it, as I patronize MFC. At the same time, I don't consider waitresses and servants my friends or buddies. I consider them the people who bring me food. That doesn't stop me from treating them with respect as people. But whether they get personal pleasure out of bringing me food is none of my concern, as long as I will make sure to leave them a generous tip if the service was decent. This is exactly analogous to camming.

Something tells me Alcon has gotten a LOT of spit in his food by waiters and waitresses whom he has 'respected.'