Bad experience with G/G show! How do you share your tokens with the other girl!

[Jesusofsuburbia]

You can tell me honestly if I'm being a bitch cause I'm really confused and would like to have 3rd opinions.
I thought sometimes I would like to make shows with another girls to bring something different for my viewers and etc.
After such a hard work alone I have hundreds of thousands of followers already and I'm considered one of the top girls of the website I work. But I felt not good everytime I tried to make G/G.

This all happened last year, months ago: One day a girl from my country that works on the same website texted me asking for some advices and asking for a show together in my account so she could get some help to increase her followers and maybe reach the top too. I said "yes" cause as I said, I like to bring different shows for my guys. Plus, she was so nice so I was like "ok maybe we can even become cam girl friends. I hope she gets successful so we can travel together, do good collabs and etc".

I didn't want to look unfair or her to think I'm a snooty who thinks is superior, so I said we could just split the tokens in a 50/50 way and promote a lot her room while we stream so the guys go follow her. Even knowing that the high number of viewers/followers/tippers/etc on the show would be there mainly because we were doing it in my account that is already grown and already reaches thousands alone.

But then when she arrived at my house, she didn't want to do the show how I expected to.
She said "Hmm I actually dont like to do too much lesbian stuff though" so we couldn't put in the tip menu stuffs like, fingering each other, licking pussy, scissors etc (that I consider its the things they most pay to see).
And I mean, I'm straight too but I don't care about doing lesbian stuff just as a work, to sell content or get tokens. And we don't even need to do it in a super hardcore way you know... just the minimum and as close to make the guys excited.

But she didn't want it at all. And I didnt insist of course but that made me feel uncomfortable during our stream because all we could do was lick boobs, kiss, tease etc. I wanted to do it at least in a way that make the guys excited but at the same time I was feeling afraid to touch her or kiss her too much and she thinks I was crossing the line. Even her kisses were super fast you know... it looks like she was always "stay far away from my pussy" and I don't like how it was looking fake for the tippers. I really like to give them a great sexy show who looks "real" and that we are enjoying even if it's fake.

Anyway... at the end we made huge number of tokens, like 100K+ BUT 80% of the tokens that day came from my regular huge tipper who is in love with me and was only tipping stuffs for me to do alone (he didnt ask for 1 single lesbian stuff).
The other 10% came from my other regulars who already used to tip me like that when I'm alone. And like 10% came from new guys because we were 2 girls and from her regulars.
And I felt upset you know, because her account was "small" but she has a few regulars who used to tip her really well daily... but only on that day, they simply got there for 10 seconds, said "hi baby" tipped only around 1k and left. While my regulars tipped like 80 times more (really). And normally hers tip her waaaay more than 1k tokens. I'm really afraid she was way smarter than me and said to his regulars to tip less because we would share the tokens while I was dumb and innocent to don't warn my whales.

So to be honest I felt it was unfair to have to send her 50% of all that huge money she never saw before in her life for appearing on my cam in a show that was in my account, only in the way she wants (she could had said she doesn't like lesbian stuff before proposing for a show together) and that the money came mainly from my guys.
And I still sent her 50% of the tokens cause we already had a deal at the beggining and I was feeling embarrassed to say I changed my mind or even afraid that maybe I'm not actually right in this situation... but to be honest I felt used. Cause if the tokens were coming due to our action together in a good vibe, with lots of new guys tipping us to do G/G, I would feel less sad. But it was a show where I could not feel comfortable at all because she asked for a G/G show where I couldn't even touch her properly.

I kind of felt used and dumb. But I don't know if I should feel this way or if I'm being wrong. That's why I would like to check your opinion here.

After that day I told to myself "ok I def dont like GG shows. I feel bad about it and I will never do this again".
But then after some days when her viewers started to decrease again, she started to ask me to do another show again but on her account this time to increase the chances for her to get viral for real on the website.
And even if I didn't want it at all. I still did it because I was afraid she and a friend we have in common could think I'm selfish for only doing it on my account and not on hers too. Or that I would refuse due to jealousy or something. So I did just to avoid any wrong thoughts. But that was really not a good experience for me at all.
And I always like to please my guys and give them everything I can, but at that day, they were making so many requests (what they normally ask in GG shows) but for everything we had to say "yeah we cant do it" because of HER and not because of me. And maybe they were thinking it was my issue.

I also had another awful case where I felt used and pressured to do a GG show but I can make another post later.

 

[mira_leo]

imo you made the right call on the 50/50 split. but i totally understand why you felt used and i would be upset too. still, 50/50 was agreed upon and it's better to take the high road.
ideally, you should have communicated that you didn't like the show together and why you didn't like it and not done a second show but i know 100% that that is easier said than done, plus the pressure of having to do a show on both accounts didnt help for sure

 

[Vixxen81]

Never, ever agree to do anything you don't want to do. It shows in your performance and can ultimately be upsetting to viewers. I would have sent her home or done a totally non-nude show after finding out she didn't want to do lesbian content, but what's done is done. (You may have dodged an STI bullet there, btw.) Stop communicating with her, what people think of you is none of your business. I know this sounds really harsh and rude but I say it with the utmost sincerity. Cut ties and get on with your life. You did the right thing by paying her out, consider it payment to make her go away.

 

[LaceyRoyce]

Yeahhhhh I've been here. I had to split a 25k tip from a reg who had been saving for months cos he decided to drop it during a gg show. Unfortunately it is what it is and you'll need to learn and move on.

Regarding splits: when i cam I either do 50/50 with the exception of tip bombs that are for my clubs. You could consider a different split but that would have to be agreed on before hand

Or we cam in both rooms. We each make what we make.

Regarding her being uncimfortable doing lesbian things- obviously her comfort and consent are paramount BUT it was apparently not what you discussed? If i had a model show up and drastically change her comfort level for a video shoot I might cancel the shoot. Nothing against her but .. its just a different thing at that point.

 

[MarieElise]

It sounds like you had an overall bad experience with her that left you suspicious and with a bad taste in your mouth. I definitely wouldn’t work with her again, and instead look for someone else to do gg show with. I would think there would be someone out there who you are on the same page as.

If you decide to do that you could explain about this experience, and make it really clear to the next person, that that is not what you are looking for going forward. I think what miss lollipop said about canceling shows where the person shows up with a sudden new plan, out of nowhere, is a good idea. You and this performer are not a good working match. But with the number of other performers out there I would hope you would fine another/ others on the same page as you.

 

[Sashacurves]

I think you're within your right to feel disappointed with your experience with her, especially as she changed her mind on what was agreed on for content in the show but you did the right thing sticking to the 50/50 you agreed on. That really sucks though, reading through this I was thinking I'd be feeling the exact same way as you.

I've not got experience with G/G shows or content sharing so someone can correct me if I'm wrong but I was under the impression that collaborations should always be with other people at a similar success level as you? That way, the income is more balanced and you avoid situations like you experienced where it was essentially you earning the majority but having to split 50/50. Or if models do collaborate with smaller models, they're doing it to help out a friend and know that they'll be essentially donating some of their earnings for the friend's benefit.

 

[MarieElise]

I've not got experience with G/G shows or content sharing so someone can correct me if I'm wrong but I was under the impression that collaborations should always be with other people at a similar success level as you?

I always thought the same thing. However I’ve had a lot of newer models contact me about shout outs etc etc when they have like 10 followers and my count is in the 1000s. In my opinion it’s extremely rude and entitled. So that would be common sense, yes. But there are some very aggressive, entitled people out there. I would never dream of contacting a model way bigger than me in such a way, because it’s basically like saying; “hey, I’d like to use social pressure so you will let me walk all over you and use you. I know you’ve been working for years at this and don’t know me from jack, but hey I need money. It’s all about me, me, me.” I tell them to fuck off, as I’m sure no one has any problem believing, given how blunt I can be. So rude (IMO).

There is definitely this blind loyalty mindset with some, in this world, where some newer models feel entitled to unpaid coaching time, and shared success. I slam that door firmly , but lots of models feel like they are indebted to strangers. To me that’s bonkers. Any other business consults etc cost big $.

 

[Sashacurves]

I always thought the same thing. However I’ve had a lot of newer models contact me about shout outs etc etc when they have like 10 followers and my count is in the 1000s. In my opinion it’s extremely rude and entitled. So that would be common sense, yes. But there are some very aggressive, entitled people out there. I would never dream of contacting a model way bigger than me in such a way, because it’s basically like saying; “hey, I’d like to use social pressure so you will let me walk all over you and use you. I know you’ve been working for years at this and don’t know me from jack, but hey I need money. It’s all about me, me, me.” I tell them to fuck off, as I’m sure no one has any problem believing, given how blunt I can be. So rude (IMO).

There is definitely this blind loyalty mindset with some, in this world, where some newer models feel entitled to unpaid coaching time, and shared success. I slam that door firmly , but lots of models feel like they are indebted to strangers. To me that’s bonkers. Any other business consults etc cost big $.

I've not been on either end of this yet but I've seen/heard that newer models often do this. I imagine it's pure naivety and ignorance of how the system works rather than deliberately trying to exploit the more successful models. But I understand it must be annoying AF to get approached like that!

This is going off topic now, but have you ever approached a model for a collab? I have too much imposter syndrome to brave it as "success" level is hard to gauge, with people having different levels of success on different platforms and different lengths of experience

 

[MarieElise]

I've not been on either end of this yet but I've seen/heard that newer models often do this. I imagine it's pure naivety and ignorance of how the system works rather than deliberately trying to exploit the more successful models. But I understand it must be annoying AF to get approached like that!

This is going off topic now, but have you ever approached a model for a collab? I have too much imposter syndrome to brave it as "success" level is hard to gauge, with people having different levels of success on different platforms and different lengths of experience

No I never have wanted to collaborate. I’m happy on my own. Too much potential drama. Plus I’m a germophobe.

 

[LaceyRoyce]

I've colabbed with folks at lots of different success levels. I didn't really have an issue with it because it was feeding the demand my room had for seeing me with different models. If the chemistry is good, that's what matters. And a newer model is more likely to let me lead and do things the way i know i like.

Even now that i just do video work the niche category I'm in loves when i "discover" a model that can do the fetish well.

I think it's about knowing what you expect the other person to bring to the table and deciding if that's enough for you. I am always getting custom requests and Skype show requests so it's helpful to have a list of models available in my area. I have a sub that loves seeing me w curvy girls, and a dude that loves girls that can act hypnotized with a snake. It doesn't matter of they're succesful or not, what matters is that they fit the customers desires. When i can book someone that does it helps me keep a customer around.

But i wouldn't ever blame a new our less successful model for shooting their shot and asking. I appreciate when they are smart enough to acknowledge the difference and pitch me on it. "I realize we are at different levels so is be willing to cover the cost of my flights and accommodation" or "id be willing to cam one extra night for free on your account" or something.

I do get a teensy bit annoyed with all the male creators on my dms asking to colab when i clearly have no b/g content. I like when folks approach having done research


I can always say no.

 

[ayamechan]

Hi, I think you made the right call. Is it fair? Probably not, but at the end of the day you held your end of the bargain and she didn't. This attitude will show in your future work and you will make more money, don't think about the tks you sent her.

When doing g/g shows it's always best to have all the details down regarding what the show will entail and how the tks will be split. Even so, you can still have unpleasant situations due to the nature of the business.

Don't let it get to you, in my experience, girls who treat this job as she did are not usually able to grow sustainably and have a success.

 

[MarieElise]

@Sashacurves thanks for pointing out it could be ignorance and naivety. You are probably right in some cases. The people who have contacted me have been very brusk, rude and almost bullying (so I guess overcompensating) in how they have worded stuff. So my experiences have never been with anyone presenting as nervous or sweet, always the opposite type. But I should keep an open mind.

ETA; it happened several times where no asking was involved. DMs just arrived basically telling me what I was going to be doing, with a schedule and no option for my consent. Like they jumped several steps, and had more a prison bitch tone, rather than a collaboration tone.

 

[LaceyRoyce]

@Sashacurves thanks for pointing out it could be ignorance and naivety. You are probably right in some cases. The people who have contacted me have been very brusk, rude and almost bullying in how they have worded stuff. So my experiences have never been with anyone presenting as nervous or sweet, always the opposite type.

I would never approach a creator that has done no colabs with girls/appears to be solo unless they were actively advertising they wanted it.

PPl should be researching the people they approach.

 

[Lilly_____]

That's such an interesting talk. As one of the less successful models I do appreciate when bigger models are willing to look further than their level of success.

A few years ago I worked shooting porn for some studios and the actors/ actresses would usually call each other outside studio hours to shoot their own content together so I did that a lot. And I had both great and awful experiences with that and most bad experiences were difinitely results of not communicating clearly enough before shooting or even just calling it off when I realized it wasn't going to be what I expected. I did mostly BG and male actors were definitely the worst because they tried to take advantage of me so many fucking times. At least I grew a really thick skin from those days.

Now I vanished from the Brazilian industry so no more collabs for me - gladly, I'd say.

 

[Sashacurves]

That's such an interesting talk. As one of the less successful models I do appreciate when bigger models are willing to look further than their level of success.

A few years ago I worked shooting porn for some studios and the actors/ actresses would usually call each other outside studio hours to shoot their own content together so I did that a lot. And I had both great and awful experiences with that and most bad experiences were difinitely results of not communicating clearly enough before shooting or even just calling it off when I realized it wasn't going to be what I expected. I did mostly BG and male actors were definitely the worst because they tried to take advantage of me so many fucking times. At least I grew a really thick skin from those days.

Now I vanished from the Brazilian industry so no more collabs for me - gladly, I'd say.

Ugh, I'm so sorry. It's disgusting and sadly not even surprising to hear that about doing B/G work. I'm solo only and I'm on the fence between @MarieElise's POV of being happy on my own/averse to potential drama, and wanting to get experience with G/G collabs and seeing where that could lead

 

[KingMarti]

I think you're within your right to feel disappointed with your experience with her, especially as she changed her mind on what was agreed on for content in the show but you did the right thing sticking to the 50/50 you agreed on. That really sucks though, reading through this I was thinking I'd be feeling the exact same way as you.

I've not got experience with G/G shows or content sharing so someone can correct me if I'm wrong but I was under the impression that collaborations should always be with other people at a similar success level as you? That way, the income is more balanced and you avoid situations like you experienced where it was essentially you earning the majority but having to split 50/50. Or if models do collaborate with smaller models, they're doing it to help out a friend and know that they'll be essentially donating some of their earnings for the friend's benefit.

I know of a couple of girls that do collabs with models with smaller followings than them. They always adjust the % split they are doing to better reflect where the income is coming from. like if one of them averages $2000 a night and the other is only doing $50 a night then they would do more like an 80/20 split on the earnings since the model that is already making more is going to be the one that has the audience that is already tipping and generating most of the income for the night. TBH I think doing it that way makes sense as long as you can both agree on a fair % split when looking at what you are actually bringing into the show.

If the show goes well and they decide to do a second show then the % rates are always adjustable to where they are both happy with what they are making.

ETA: They usually arnt random people, they are normally like a friend of a friend, camming is super common here so its not unusual the everyone knows someone thats a model.

 

[Marceline]

Op, I think you did the right thing by honoring the agreement and splitting everything 50/50. But, I’d also feel similarly to you with the situation. I had a somewhat similar experience with trying to help out a friend get into camming. I had known her for years before I ever started camming and we had discussed everything prior to streaming together. We were supposed to cam together for a few days and split everything 50/50. Right before our first stream she changed her mind about what she was willing to do. I was fine with it, I’m not going to try pushing someone to do anything they’re not comfortable with. But, she started taking shots before we got online and was walking off cam throughout our show to drink more and ended up being pretty drunk by the end of the show. She also accidentally called me by my legal name on cam. It was a nightmare. I still split everything with her, but I called off the other shows we were going to do together.

The only other person I collaborated with was someone I met through an industry type event. First time we cammed together we streamed from our own rooms and just kept what we each made without splitting anything. Second time she was going for rank, so we cammed just from her room and split everything 50/50. Both ways have their pros and cons.

With collaborations in general, in my opinion it’s always best to at least meet/hangout in person before you work together. I know it may not always be feasible if you don’t live near one another and became acquaintances or friends online, but if you meet irl for the first time the same time you’re supposed to be working together you can run into the issue of having absolutely no chemistry and having it be awkward to work with one another.

 

[Vixxen81]

I another thread I mentioned I don't play in other cammers rooms on CB and that I had my reasons. Here's the reason:

I am what I consider myself to be an OG Chaturbate Cam Model. I started in 2013 right before the site started to gain popularity and I caught the eye of another model. She was constantly sending people to raid my room but when they realized I wasn't as wild and crazy as she was with what I was willing to do they eventually left but here's what salted my experience unlike any other experience since...

She came in one night and tipped me 3000 tokens in one shot. At the time that was not normal and very much an appreciation situation. Thirty minutes later she comes back in and says "tip that back to me offline, my boyfriend is mad at me that I gave that to you."

Why was he mad? That was the money she had earned so he could re-up their stash of methamphetamine/speed/ice/tina and he had already set up the deal. So, I reluctantly gave it back, I hadn't actually earned it after all. About two hours later he comes into my room because she's passed out on the floor from too much liquor and starts telling me how bringing this 21 year old girl into his house and destroying his marriage over it was so not worth it and he missed his ex wife and he really regretted it.

She comes and leans on me again (Hampering my stream) and is like why isn't it better? So I tell her and their whole situation implodes. She left.

Not long after that, another cam model's boyfriend came to my room and hit the private show button and I declined because I knew who he was and I didn't want her money because I dislike how she presents herself.

I think there are a lot more reasons to not collab than there are to collab. Several girls on CB have reported faked STD clean results that resulted in a compromise of their own health.

 

[soy_chris]

You should always cut out the regular huge tippers, if they tip for that lesbian stuff and not to make you smile, then its a different thing...but as stated, discuss every eventualites before....like what to do in that show, what not, how to split and then use obs-multi to stream to both channels...that way both get their followers and the regular tippers can be easily filtered out with their regular tips to make a girl smile

 

[markspanker]

Why didn't you just 'audition' her off-camera before the show, to see what she was into and what her limits were? You wouldn't commit to signing up to pay for a car without taking it for a test drive first, right?

 

[LaceyRoyce]

Why didn't you just 'audition' her off-camera before the show, to see what she was into and what her limits were? You wouldn't commit to signing up to pay for a car without taking it for a test drive first, right?

Mark. That's not a thing. Unpaid "Auditions" in porn have often been used as a way to manipulate sexual favors out of newbies.

This is absolutely NOT acceptable in this industry. It's a HUGE red flag and people are not cars you test drive. Conversations and in depth questions about limits and $$$ are how we do this.

 

[MarieElise]

We get dehumanized enough in this industry thanks Mark, maybe no with the comparing us to material objects that aren't human, have no feelings, and get used and tossed aside I know it's mind blowing to think, but we are actually real living breathing people too...

"Dominant"... lmfao

 

[Nigerian Prince]

Why didn't you just 'audition' her off-camera before the show, to see what she was into and what her limits were? You wouldn't commit to signing up to pay for a car without taking it for a test drive first, right?

You can't test drive humans mark..