Any chance theres a cam modeling site that pays with PayPal?

[ReelPeese]

I don't imagine anyone knows a cam site that has made a loophole to pay through paypal? I've been working for myself finding my own clients through chat rooms and craigslist because paypal is the only way i want to accept money. I used to work on chaturbate and mfc but I want to be paid through paypal, I'm done accepting money through checks or direct deposit. Paypal is the best option for me. So if anyone knows of a site that pays with paypal I would love it. Or if you know anywhere that's good for finding private clients that'd be cool too. Thanks guys Your always super nice and always helpful. I appreciate it a lot and can't thank you all enough. :thumbleft:

 

[Jessi]

Re: Any chance theres a cam modeling site that pays with Pay

Paypal expressly forbids use for adult services. You're taking a big risk with your money by using it for that.
Its also easy to do chargebacks and find personal info through paypal. No adult site worth working for will offer paypal.

If you don't want to receive money from checks or bank transfers, consider using Payoneer. Just sign up through the link provided by MFC (you need an affiliate to make a Payoneer account, although you don't need to cam on MFC). Payoneer will allow people to pay you via credit card for a fee. There are fees associated, but you get a mastercard to use, and there is a two day hold on personal loads to prevent chargebacks, although payouts from affiliates (MFC, SM, etc) can be loaded instantly.

http://www.payoneer.com/faq.aspx

 

[Rileyster]

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And to add on, if PayPal catches wind of what you're doing, you may get blacklisted from them as well. And there are a lot of cases here where a girl will have funds in her account and PayPal froze it once they saw what was going on. You don't want to risk having to lose that money for a year or more. :twocents-02cents:

 

[ReelPeese]

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Thanks guys. I haven't really had a problem doing it through paypal, ive been doing it for 4 years, and its been my main income for the past year and ive never had any issues. I have people send me money as a "gift" so they cant take it back or make any claims or make it look like ive done something I shouldnt of for the money. It's simply "donations". I transfer my paypal money to my bank account the same time i get it so im not at risk to lose any money. Losing my account with paypal is a risk im willing to take. I've signed up with payoneer and other pay sites before but always shut them down. I'll take advantage of paypal as long as i can and figure something else out when paypal drops me. I appreciate your concerns and information. It's good the girls look after each other here Means a lot.

 

[LaceyRoyce]

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just curious as to why you dont wish to be paid with a check or direct deposit?

 

[AllisonWilder]

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Thanks guys. I haven't really had a problem doing it through paypal, ive been doing it for 4 years, and its been my main income for the past year and ive never had any issues. I have people send me money as a "gift" so they cant take it back or make any claims or make it look like ive done something I shouldnt of for the money. It's simply "donations". I transfer my paypal money to my bank account the same time i get it so im not at risk to lose any money. Losing my account with paypal is a risk im willing to take. I've signed up with payoneer and other pay sites before but always shut them down. I'll take advantage of paypal as long as i can and figure something else out when paypal drops me. I appreciate your concerns and information. It's good the girls look after each other here Means a lot.

Just so you're aware, even though the money is being sent as a gift, it can still be taken from your account. Even if you transfer it right out, it would leave you with a negative balance and since your account is verified with your bank account, your account would be frozen and you'd never be able to use that bank account (they'd blacklist it) or sign up with your name with PayPal again.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

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Thanks guys. I haven't really had a problem doing it through paypal, ive been doing it for 4 years, and its been my main income for the past year and ive never had any issues. I have people send me money as a "gift" so they cant take it back or make any claims or make it look like ive done something I shouldnt of for the money. It's simply "donations". I transfer my paypal money to my bank account the same time i get it so im not at risk to lose any money. Losing my account with paypal is a risk im willing to take. I've signed up with payoneer and other pay sites before but always shut them down. I'll take advantage of paypal as long as i can and figure something else out when paypal drops me. I appreciate your concerns and information. It's good the girls look after each other here Means a lot.

Just so you're aware, even though the money is being sent as a gift, it can still be taken from your account. Even if you transfer it right out, it would leave you with a negative balance and since your account is verified with your bank account, your account would be frozen and you'd never be able to use that bank account (they'd blacklist it) or sign up with your name with PayPal again.

Oh and they can take the negative balance out of your bank account!

 

[Marokite]

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Paypal has a very skilled legal team (they're owned by ebay afterall). They have made every effort to ensure that no matter who uses the service, be it buyer or seller, that the only one that is fully protected is Paypal. Looking at the method you're describing, the client is paying via the "gift" option for an adult-related service. You have your bank account attached and make every attempt to transfer money from your Paypal to your bank account. You believe your money is "safe". You are very lucky if you've been able to do this for 4 years.
1) Using the "gift" option for any merchandise or service is against the rules. All it takes is for a client to message Paypal saying they need a refund and you told them that they had to use the "gift" option. Paypal freezes the account and starts an investigation.
2) Paypal must not be used for an adult service. Anyone, not just that client, can contact Paypal and snitch on you. Paypal freezes the account and starts an investigation.
3)You transfer money "immediately". No transfer is immediate. You request to withdraw the money and it takes a few days for it to actually go through. Plenty of time for that transfer to be stopped.
4) Even if you can transfer the money, if Paypal discovers that the account was used improperly, they'll freeze the account and take back any funds that were transferred. I believe an account without enough funds to cover a Paypal request will pop up as an overdraft.
Basically, in almost every possible scenario, you have no rights and all the liability if using Paypal goes sour. I hope you take the other ladies' advice and use an alternate system for accepting payments.

 

[ReelPeese]

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I dunno... I've had 2 people set claims on me before and my paypal account has never been closed. Last year someone paid me by "services" through paypal and ended up setting a claim against me after our cam play and told paypal he wanted his money back because he didn't get his cam show that he paid for (which he did, he was just ripping me off as he does to the other girls as well) so after 2 weeks they refunded him his money but never contacted me with a complaint or close my account even though they knew it was for a cam show. Someone else tried to set a claim against me as well but they sent me a gift so paypal didnt refund them. But he also told paypal i was a cam model. I don't know why they havent shut me down or close my account. Like I said... its been 4 years and I don't consider it luck. They know what I'm doing for money and they've never once warned me against it. I know paypal doesn't support any adult content but they haven't done anything about my account so I dont know. Im not too worried about it, they know what im doing and they dont seem to care. I've straight out emailed them telling them what I do when people set claims against me. I tell them the guys got their show and they dont deserve a refund. Paypal never responds. .

 

[AmberCutie]

Re: Any chance theres a cam modeling site that pays with Pay

Craigslist.

 

[LilyMarie]

Re: Any chance theres a cam modeling site that pays with Pay

If you want to keep working as a camgirl and always get the money you were promised, you can't use PayPal, period. The others have explained it really well. Different camgirls have had their accounts frozen before. It happens. Why do you think guys on MFC always ask girls if they accept PayPal? Often it's because they don't want to end up spending a single $, they want to get a full refund from PayPal later.
Especially if you want to work on a cam site, forget about PayPal - there will never be a cam site that will pay you via PayPal. PayPal will start appreciating sexy ladies when hell freezes over.

 

[Evvie]

Re: Any chance theres a cam modeling site that pays with Pay

I dunno... I've had 2 people set claims on me before and my paypal account has never been closed. Last year someone paid me by "services" through paypal and ended up setting a claim against me after our cam play and told paypal he wanted his money back because he didn't get his cam show that he paid for (which he did, he was just ripping me off as he does to the other girls as well) so after 2 weeks they refunded him his money but never contacted me with a complaint or close my account even though they knew it was for a cam show. Someone else tried to set a claim against me as well but they sent me a gift so paypal didnt refund them. But he also told paypal i was a cam model. I don't know why they havent shut me down or close my account. Like I said... its been 4 years and I don't consider it luck. They know what I'm doing for money and they've never once warned me against it. I know paypal doesn't support any adult content but they haven't done anything about my account so I dont know. Im not too worried about it, they know what im doing and they dont seem to care. I've straight out emailed them telling them what I do when people set claims against me. I tell them the guys got their show and they dont deserve a refund. Paypal never responds. .

Regardless of whether or not Paypal works out for you personally, to answer the original question:

There is no reputable cam site that will use PayPal.

Even if your personal account has worked out just fine, PayPal is not going to risk being associated with pornographic sites for a few reasons.

You said you shut down your Payoneer account; I don't know if you had any issues with it or just didn't like it. You can get paid by direct deposit to your bank, get a check printed out and sent to you, get a wire transfer, or get paid by other third party companies.

Websites not allowing PayPal is generally not an issue, because there are plenty of alternatives that work just fine. It sucks to give up your comfort zone and have to start doing things in a different, less convenient way, but adding a new method to your payment system shouldn't be too hard. I would wager many models here are paid by multiple methods through multiple sites.

 

[LaceyRoyce]

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viewtopic.php?f=15&t=11091


you may find this poll interesting.
Ladies, I'd appreciate your input

 

[BettyBallistic]

Re: Any chance theres a cam modeling site that pays with Pay

I also said this in Lolli's thread, but I think it's important enough to mention here as well.

OP is obviously convinced that she is going to use paypal no matter what, which is fine. I would like to add, however, that as a seller of almost 5 years on ebay, I can tell you that my account has been frozen many times for no reason at all with no warning. This was before I started camming. Sometimes it would be frozen for months, and try as I might to reason with them, they gave me no reason and did not listen to anything I had to say. They will do with your money as they please, when they please, for whatever reason they please. Knowing this, I wouldn't dare blatantly give them a reason to do this, such as using their service for adult transactions. It's only a matter of time before something happens. Perhaps other ladies will see this and it will give them a little perspective.

 

[curvyredhead]

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Perhaps I'm just overlooking things. I am having a hard time believing that this post is even legit.

It was asked earlier---I am very curious---Why do you not want to do a check or better yet direct deposit? I understand that you have set up accounts with people like payoneer but have always shut down your account...but why?

None of this is making sense to me.

 

[Jessi]

Re: Any chance theres a cam modeling site that pays with Pay

Perhaps I'm just overlooking things. I am having a hard time believing that this post is even legit.

It was asked earlier---I am very curious---Why do you not want to do a check or better yet direct deposit? I understand that you have set up accounts with people like payoneer but have always shut down your account...but why?

None of this is making sense to me.

Bank accounts (paycheques, direct deposit) can be audited by CRA (Canada) or the IRS (USA). A "gift" with no description that just comes from Paypal is easy to explain away in the event of an audit and would be untaxed. This could be one reason some models would use it.

 

[AllisonWilder]

Re: Any chance theres a cam modeling site that pays with Pay

Perhaps I'm just overlooking things. I am having a hard time believing that this post is even legit.

It was asked earlier---I am very curious---Why do you not want to do a check or better yet direct deposit? I understand that you have set up accounts with people like payoneer but have always shut down your account...but why?

None of this is making sense to me.

Bank accounts (paycheques, direct deposit) can be audited by CRA (Canada) or the IRS (USA). A "gift" with no description that just comes from Paypal is easy to explain away in the event of an audit and would be untaxed. This could be one reason some models would use it.

In the US PayPal sends 10-99s.

 

[Jessi]

Re: Any chance theres a cam modeling site that pays with Pay

Perhaps I'm just overlooking things. I am having a hard time believing that this post is even legit.

It was asked earlier---I am very curious---Why do you not want to do a check or better yet direct deposit? I understand that you have set up accounts with people like payoneer but have always shut down your account...but why?

None of this is making sense to me.

Bank accounts (paycheques, direct deposit) can be audited by CRA (Canada) or the IRS (USA). A "gift" with no description that just comes from Paypal is easy to explain away in the event of an audit and would be untaxed. This could be one reason some models would use it.

In the US PayPal sends 10-99s.

I was thinking moreso of how it would look on a bank statement. Do they really send 10-99s for non business accounts?

 

[AllisonWilder]

Re: Any chance theres a cam modeling site that pays with Pay

Perhaps I'm just overlooking things. I am having a hard time believing that this post is even legit.

It was asked earlier---I am very curious---Why do you not want to do a check or better yet direct deposit? I understand that you have set up accounts with people like payoneer but have always shut down your account...but why?

None of this is making sense to me.

Bank accounts (paycheques, direct deposit) can be audited by CRA (Canada) or the IRS (USA). A "gift" with no description that just comes from Paypal is easy to explain away in the event of an audit and would be untaxed. This could be one reason some models would use it.

In the US PayPal sends 10-99s.

I was thinking moreso of how it would look on a bank statement. Do they really send 10-99s for non business accounts?

Yeah, it's something that just started in 2012.

 

[Jupiter551]

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Why ARE paypal such goddamn prudes anyway?

 

[Tilly]

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It's weird that Paypal has the rules against adult related stuff but when you buy pornish stuff off of ebay's adult section, you pay with paypal.

 

[MyCamgirl]

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It's weird that Paypal has the rules against adult related stuff but when you buy pornish stuff off of ebay's adult section, you pay with paypal.

eBay owns PayPal, making it an exception to the rule.

 

[Evvie]

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Why ARE paypal such goddamn prudes anyway?

"PAYPAL NOW IN BUSINESS WITH MAJOR PORN COMPANIES
Insiders say Internet money transfer company is so desperate for business that it will now work with individuals and businesses buying and selling sex online, INCLUDING PAYING FOR PROSTITUTES"

"PayPal now involved with 'adult' services and will allow people to pay for illegal prostitution, pornography, and other sexual services using their site. Can you still trust them to handle your money? Read about alternative pay services inside."

"Despite all adult-related transactions having a very high chargeback rate (and therefore being traditionally shunned by monetary mediator services), PayPal is has changed their long-standing policies against refusing those services. PayPal CFO says that this will open their company up to huge revenue potential. However, PayPal was already allowing some adult services to be traded through their parent company, eBay. Allowing international adult services to be traded through their company will likely be more of a hassle than it is worth - so what's really causing these changes?"

 

[curvyredhead]

Re: Any chance theres a cam modeling site that pays with Pay

Perhaps I'm just overlooking things. I am having a hard time believing that this post is even legit.

It was asked earlier---I am very curious---Why do you not want to do a check or better yet direct deposit? I understand that you have set up accounts with people like payoneer but have always shut down your account...but why?

None of this is making sense to me.

Bank accounts (paycheques, direct deposit) can be audited by CRA (Canada) or the IRS (USA). A "gift" with no description that just comes from Paypal is easy to explain away in the event of an audit and would be untaxed. This could be one reason some models would use it.

In the US PayPal sends 10-99s.

I was thinking moreso of how it would look on a bank statement. Do they really send 10-99s for non business accounts?

Yeah, it's something that just started in 2012.

I had a business account so I can not really speak about that.
And although I can understand the logic of not wanting to be audited...it would seem that if that were the case they would not be filling the income they make through paypal----and with assuming your not paying taxes on your paypal money...which she claims is her main source of income....

Oh man do I have some serious issues with that.

 

[LaceyRoyce]

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Why ARE paypal such goddamn prudes anyway?

"PAYPAL NOW IN BUSINESS WITH MAJOR PORN COMPANIES
Insiders say Internet money transfer company is so desperate for business that it will now work with individuals and businesses buying and selling sex online, INCLUDING PAYING FOR PROSTITUTES"

"PayPal now involved with 'adult' services and will allow people to pay for illegal prostitution, pornography, and other sexual services using their site. Can you still trust them to handle your money? Read about alternative pay services inside."

"Despite all adult-related transactions having a very high chargeback rate (and therefore being traditionally shunned by monetary mediator services), PayPal is has changed their long-standing policies against refusing those services. PayPal CFO says that this will open their company up to huge revenue potential. However, PayPal was already allowing some adult services to be traded through their parent company, eBay. Allowing international adult services to be traded through their company will likely be more of a hassle than it is worth - so what's really causing these changes?"

Evvie where did you get these quotes from?

 

[Jupiter551]

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I don't know about prostitution, but for a couple of years now Paypal has allowed SOME adult business - mostly things like sex toy stores, some porn memberships etc. Their argument is from a few areas, a) they say that the rate of chargebacks for adult services between consumers and businesses is very high especially when it's b) a virtual transaction - ie a video, a camshow. If you buy a vibrator and then try to charge it back the business can say well look, here's the shipping reciept, the tracking number, made out to this person at the address registered on paypal...etc. How do you do that with a video download, a skype show, or even a 'real world' transaction like prostitution?

I may be too charitable here but I suspect the credit card companies aren't keen on it either - frivolous and frequent chargebacks cost everyone involved money, and if it happens that often it's simply not profitable.

BTW, non-adult transactions are banned from Ebay and Paypal too I believe - like ingame items and accounts for World of warcraft etc - for the same reason. There's no "item" that can be tracked, or returned to the seller, and no proof, therefore no paypal buyer protection possible.

 

[BettyBallistic]

Re: Any chance theres a cam modeling site that pays with Pay

Why ARE paypal such goddamn prudes anyway?

"PAYPAL NOW IN BUSINESS WITH MAJOR PORN COMPANIES
Insiders say Internet money transfer company is so desperate for business that it will now work with individuals and businesses buying and selling sex online, INCLUDING PAYING FOR PROSTITUTES"

"PayPal now involved with 'adult' services and will allow people to pay for illegal prostitution, pornography, and other sexual services using their site. Can you still trust them to handle your money? Read about alternative pay services inside."

"Despite all adult-related transactions having a very high chargeback rate (and therefore being traditionally shunned by monetary mediator services), PayPal is has changed their long-standing policies against refusing those services. PayPal CFO says that this will open their company up to huge revenue potential. However, PayPal was already allowing some adult services to be traded through their parent company, eBay. Allowing international adult services to be traded through their company will likely be more of a hassle than it is worth - so what's really causing these changes?"

Evvie where did you get these quotes from?

I could be wrong, but I believe this is a hypothetical situation that Evvie is implying would happen should paypal decide to ever take adult transactions.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong

 

[Jupiter551]

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PayPal really does do some business with major porn companies, but generally not on the level of the consumer. Stuff like paying referrals to affiliates etc. Business to business stuff.

 

[bronz lazarus]

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i was always wondering why girls always posted "NO PAYPAL"
now i finally know

i know 1 site that lets you deal w/e you want...and then you make a deal with the person that contacts you so there is no midel man

 

[Pooky]

Re: Any chance theres a cam modeling site that pays with Pay

I understand I'm beating a dead horse at this point, but just to be clear.

ReelPeese, if you use Paypal and they decide to shut down your account, they can and will freeze all the money that you have in there currently. Regardless of whether or not you've slid by before, you have to remember that Paypal is a very large company and that you may have been lucky and received a billing/disputes representative who didn't care enough about their job to penalize you. Either that, or they sympathize for whatever reason. You've gotten lucky twice, with two claims.

Websites like MFC and Streamate, LiveJasmin, Chaturbate, MyGurlFund, ExtraLunchMoney, they all take care of the disputes for you. Yes, there's loops to jump through. But regardless, if you think you're being sneaky or smart, you're not. Many have done the same before you and many of them have been caught, penalized and left with their tails between their legs... simply because they know they were in the wrong.

Long story short, no. No legitimate camming website will pay through Paypal because they aren't allowed. This is the same reason you cannot pay for porn using Paypal either. It is specifically not made for adult services, for whatever reason they have.

No adult website, period, will pay or accept payment through Paypal, to be clear. They are not allowed. They will be caught and they will be penalized for it because it is against Paypal's TOS.

I don't understand why checks and direct deposit are an issue for you, nor do I care. There are services out there like Payoneer and... ipayout, or something close to that, that give you debit cards that you can use directly. Yes, things go wrong. But disputes are handled out of your hands and you can be sure that as long as you follow the rules, your money will stay in your pocket.

Say you receive 200 dollars for a show and that goes directly into your Paypal account. Paypal decides, this is enough. A rep is having a bad day and they don't like you, they freeze your account. You now have absolutely no legal upper hand here because you have violated their TOS and I can almost guarantee you have no alibi for a "legitimate" service you were providing your customer. Paypal wins, you're blacklisted [forever] and you lose anything that was sitting in your Paypal account.

Stop using Paypal and jump through the loops like the rest of us have to. I was recently sent a check from MFC for one of my last performances and because I moved, the new property owner decided to "return to sender" all of my mail. Now I need to wait until the check gets back to them, see if they contact me and if they don't contact me after 30 days I contact them and they reissue the check. It's a hoop I need to jump through... but the plain fact of the camming industry is there will always be hoops. Making fast, easy money comes at a price.

Good luck.