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I can hear the Hallelujah chorus. :angel12:
PunkInDrublic said:
Ghahhh the previous private buyers... A more annoying thing is dudes who had a private thing with me a gazillion years ago coming to my room, sending me a bunch of pm's, maybe asking about my videos, which are often on deals, kind of leading me on for a while, then they say something like "Nah maybe another time" or "No money today" followed with "mmmm I think I'll just watch that sexy private from ages ago". Then sometimes go on to tell me in detail about their current enjoyment of said private.
To be fair on these guys, they bought a private, just like dudes who buy videos, they're entitled to watch them again as many times as they want for as long as they want. But coming to my room, freeloading for ages, taking up my time by chatting in pm and then being like "ah well, I don't have to tip you now because I can still see what I want to see whenever I like from that time ages ago! I'll just go do that now while you struggle for tips!" and then treating it like a complement... It always gives me a sour feeling.
I don't mind so much if I weren't on cam and someone dropped me a message saying how much they're still loving the vid, but when I'm clearly trying to earn and work it's a bit of a slap.
The lowering the rates thing really bugs me too, especially when it comes from dudes trying to get me to lower the price of my already super cheap vids! I sometimes sell 16 vids for 250 tokens. Several of the vids are 200 tokens each and I used to be able to sell them for that before I put the deal on. I get loads of dudes who want to just buy 200 tokens who try and get the price lowered. Some don't realise about the small token purchase option and do still buy the vids, but my god it pisses me off when dudes try and lower the price of already way underpriced vids.
Aurora said:
Sorry double post, didn't read the whole thread before posting.
This does my head in too. Parred with me mentioning anything I do in real life that a man might have been present, like for example, my driving test, which is with a professional who has teenage girls in his car probably every day, but of course in myfreecams land everyone goes on about how if I just flirt with him a bit I'll totally pass! And that clearly the guy wouldn't have been paying any attention to my driving and just the hot girl in the car!
Not all men are constantly complete perverts who are constantly obsessed with sex and cannot control themselves around women! Yes I do get checked out a fair amount by guys on the street and in bars, but I also spend a fair amount of time around guys who may or may not notice my looks but definitely don't let it effect the way they act around me. It is rare that a man will ever turn into a dribbling, leering, baboon around me.
It also bugs me when dudes think that all men regardless of age find teenage girls/20 year olds attractive and that they all watch porn. A lot of men, like most women, can appreciate young beauty without actually being attracted to people that age. A lot of men also don't find porn particularly sexy. Most guys around my age watch it, but quite a few have very little interest in it. Some might say I'm just being a silly woman in believing not all men are total animals, and that of course all men are into these things, but I think that's a horrible way to look at men. My boyfriend happens to be one of the few dudes who's really genuinely a nice guy, he hates that he constantly gets painted by the same brush as other guys. I don't always have the best image of men, but I do have faith in the male sex and I don't believe there's any excuse for being a complete arsehole.
So much agreeing with that above. But true that. Also tired about sex wars, as I see common idiotic (quite different, tho) behaviors in women as well... Anyway, in MFC and sites like that, they (some guys) feel protected by the (a bit lame) sensation that they are anonymous there. And let some low instincts come out. This tends to be a need when there's psychological repression of some sort, or some personality issue, somehow. As think it well, there's no practical use for that. Non consciously is an attempt to compensate stuff. Guys with a healthy mind, clever ones, and used to dig on stuff quite more than the usual... Rarely have a need to do the macho tribal dance... Even while I think that is also silly ignore what we have certain conditioning at biological level, of course... And think of it as evil in every case, would be idiotic, too... I mean, a guy is going to have his eyesight driven to some nice legs when he's not very aware that he's doing that, is going to appreciate beauty in many other forms. The need of demonstration to other guys is what I had always a hard time to understand. I like women. A lot. But I am thinking of some occasions where the heck if I understand some things (the macho men expressions you mention) ... When are in most cases even counter productive. Of course, anyone has the freedom to think that all men are the same, (ok, at sites like MFC, a lot are just... and many of those acting so badly, would never do so in the street. This is what makes me slightly angry. I know a guy that lacks certain social limits inside his skull, but won't fear to be so in real life. IMO is even more pathetic when ppl just use the anonymity shield) , or that women are all of certain type, and behave/react/think always the same. Both 'thoughts' are equally dumb, IMO. Anyway, the porn matter doesn't need to be bad, at all. Can be quite healthy, indeed. Any absorbing activity that wont let you carry your life schedules has the potential to be harmful, but not for being porn itself.
White-knighting with a hefty side of stubborn. Smothered in silly-sauce.JerryBoBerry said:
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I like a little silly sauce atop my member meat, RAWR! *tiger claws*AmberCutie said:
I can't recall it being called "silly sauce" before, but then I don't remember things as well as I used to.JoleneBrody said:
All these years of fapping and i've never thought of Little Winkie in those terms.JoleneBrody said:
JerryBoBerry said:
Well, totally clear then what is to be done if we find recordings out there... But... IMO a bit aggressive the replies..It puts a guy with good intentions (even if amazingly wrong in what he's trying to do) in a very defensive position. And when this happens, people hear a lot less, logically. :twocents-02cents:
Finebrush said:
I'd probably send the girl a message with the link saying "hey heads ups I found this video, not sure of you care or not; if not just lemme know and I won't send them again!". Some girls care, some girls dont, I think there's no harm in asking and she can act or not. But that way if she doesn't, you'll know to just leave it in the future.
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I don't want put words in Gen's mouth, but to me "send a message" means send MFC mail. There is no need to mention any names, but some people need everything spelled out (and even then they sometimes still don't get it)GenXoxo said:
I have seen these "messages" posted in public chat with the video link, so:
Step 1: You found a model's video. Before you go any further, ask yourself if you have what it takes to be a cool guy.
Step 2: Do not post the info in public chat
Step 3: Do not ask the model for PM privileges, if you can PM her, DON'T
Step 4: Send one MFC mail about this
Step 5: Do not expect a reply, do not pass go, do not fucking collect $200, and do not bring it up again.
Step 6: Go about your business
OR
Go directly to Step 6
Finebrush said:
Myfreecams is an example that not all men are the same. Lots of guys you hear chatting shit in the public chat are of the more moronic variety and fairly quickly end up getting banned, the guys who don't talk, well, I have no idea about what they are like. But I know that many of the guys who tip me can do so almost selflessly. Some guys want something sexual for everything they tip. Those dudes are the ones, even if they're perfectly nice people, who are part of the negative light on men. They're the ones who are thinking selfishly with their penis's. That's not an evil thing, it's ok to be selfish and be into sexual things. The guys who prove that there are men who truly are different are the ones who tip to see a girl smile, who don't care if she takes her top off. Who love the conversation without having the need to see her do more. I have seen so many true acts of kindness on myfreecams. So many of my regulars have no real reason to tip other than them just being good people.
We live in a world where men and women constantly justify men's behaviour and where we're taught it's acceptable for men to behave badly because they're "just being men", I think arsehole men tend to push this idea and justify their own behaviour as being normal and even "manly", painting negative behaviour with a positive brush. In reality there are plenty of men who don't agree with or condone this behaviour and they definitely don't act the same. We're all human so we all make mistakes and do arsehole things every now and then, that can't be helped, it's nothing to do with our sex, it's simply that it's impossible to go through life and not end up hurting a few people along the way. But that hurt should be minor and shouldn't be deliberate, consistent or justified. There's no excuse for being a selfish ass. I feel bad for some dudes who are genuinely nice guys because they get treated badly because of others.
And porn isn't a bad thing, I like porn, though I don't think it's healthy. It's about as healthy as eating a pizza. It's tasty and it'll feed you, and if you only have one occasionally it won't do much if any harm, but you should be getting most of your nourishment from other sources. Having a pizza every now and then is good for the soul, it makes you feel good, but it's definitely not something you should eat constantly. Porn is the same, it's kind of like high fat content. It has everything our perverted minds want, it can open our minds to all sorts of things we might never have thought of and allows us to enjoy perving without much obvious consequence. Masturbating is healthy, sex is much healthier, porn is a way to help masturbation for those who like visuals, but if overdosed it can mess up sex, the opening your mind to other possibilities in sex can turn into needing more extreme things to get turned on, I've spoken to some young guys who watch too much porn and they've admitted that during sex they have to imagine porn scenes to be able to cum and have to keep watching more extreme forms of porn to get the same feeling. That is not healthy. There are more and more guys who are becoming uninterested in their partners in favour of porn. You don't have to watch so much of it that you can't go to work and see friends for it to not be good for you. Many of the effects of it are after longer term viewing, like erectile disfunction, and you don't have to be obsessed with it to get those effects, you just need to watch/wank to it for a reasonable period of time.
I know that personally I'm already desensitised to porn. When I first watched it as a teenager it was super sexy and exciting, I'd barely even watched porn, maybe a couple of times, but it got old very quickly. I probably have a look at it like once every 2/3 months at most now and I rarely get turned on from it.
I would love to know what it'd be like to have lived in a time where you'd never see naked skin, so when you saw someone naked/had sex with someone it must have been incredible. Now I'm so used to seeing men and women naked/scantily clothed, though it still excites me, it's not that much of a big deal.
Anyway, tipping is giving actual money... I understand pretty well that a guy demanding something sexual after giving tokens, is not "nice" to say the least (although a whole business is mounted on top of it)... Everyone contributing so that the model can do her planned show, not so bad. But I don't think is that natural, or expected generosity to give tokens (money) for chatting. I am personally a very social person -in the not so virtual world- , I truly enjoy interacting with people, and I seem to enjoy so much talking to other persons as (most) other persons seem to enjoy talking to me (and to most people, as well). And money does not get in between. So I don't see it natural. If it is a friend who needs help, well, then my money is his, or hers, totally (if I can. People is more important than money. Sounds obvious, but in this world..). But not just every now and then, without a specific reason. Without the sexual component (or even a much softer thing of slight erotic nature) it does seem to me pretty strange to give the tips. Still, is something I have done so often, and of certain quantity, definitely not low. But almost always there was a very specific reason behind it (not sex involved). This is why I still see why others can do this from time to time, but specially that a model would be expecting it for some short chatting is what I would not be able to get (specially when one does not need chatting at all. Just having an interesting or polite conversation). I might be already too used to speak and chat without charge over the internet. I totally understand this is a business and a job, but stilll, the entrance is free, and anyway I guess nothing stops a model from banning anyone speaking to her, or even in the public chat before receiving even just some tips. Many already set a fixed initial tip for the member to be able to send a PM.
About porn... Well, I can see that happening. Still, I'm lucky, or really weird. I have watched quite, and still excites me a lot the human contact with...well, any woman I feel attracted to. Still enjoying like crazy the "typical" things as when I was a teenager and the porn didn't exist, as internet neither existed...(yeh am not even in my 30s, he he) But sure, that's something likely to happen a lot. When I said healthy I was thinking mostly about couples using it to get excited, as a game, been told about it being used quite effectively, and also cases where, well, one can consume it alone, still get super excited with actual sex. I don't know. It might be that what I really feel attracted to is to the most natural thing, and the human touch, the real thing. Specially when I really like the woman for other reasons. Still, find porn entertaining. But imo is quite a different thing. Is not even the same ball game. Confusing both things might be the issue, I guess.
About porn... Well, I can see that happening. Still, I'm lucky, or really weird. I have watched quite, and still excites me a lot the human contact with...well, any woman I feel attracted to. Still enjoying like crazy the "typical" things as when I was a teenager and the porn didn't exist, as internet neither existed...(yeh am not even in my 30s, he he) But sure, that's something likely to happen a lot. When I said healthy I was thinking mostly about couples using it to get excited, as a game, been told about it being used quite effectively, and also cases where, well, one can consume it alone, still get super excited with actual sex. I don't know. It might be that what I really feel attracted to is to the most natural thing, and the human touch, the real thing. Specially when I really like the woman for other reasons. Still, find porn entertaining. But imo is quite a different thing. Is not even the same ball game. Confusing both things might be the issue, I guess.
Finebrush said:
You're free to use MFC however you like and nobody can say it's wrong to only tip for something specific, but it is an adult entertainment site and whether there's something sexual or not going on, you're still being entertained if you're hanging out in a models room so tips for "nothing" shouldn't be considered "unnatural."
Of course they do. Speaking to someone in a PM means that they're giving that member, who may or may not tip, their direct attention as opposed to giving their attention to the whole room.
I've always found it weird that so many men seem to be totally ok with paying for sexual acts, yet when it comes to conversation they're like "nooo!!" because they don't like the feeling of paying someone to hang out with them. I understand this, but I don't understand not being ok with one and being ok with the other. Engaging in sexual acts is SO much more personal than just chatting. Surely that should be the one that you really care if the person is doing those things because they want to?
I think people get self entitled with chatting. A woman in real life might chat to them for free even though they're just being polite, whilst a woman in real life won't do sex acts with someone unless she's attracted to that person and he plays it well. I do wish dudes would stop with it being a moral thing. The amount of times I've heard this moral speech about how it's against their morals/nature to pay for someone to talk to them yet they're totally cool with paying for sex/sex acts. It's nothing to do with moral values, it's because they feel that in real life they can get something for free so they shouldn't ever have to pay for it. Kind of similar to people refusing to pay for porn because they can see it for free all over the net. I've also heard those people making out it's some kind of moral value.
A model is selling her time and attention, not her body. In a private it's still the same price if I'm just going to be chatting to someone as it is if I'm taking my clothes off. I don't care much either way, it's about time. Sure, sometimes I'm not in the mood to do sex stuff and I'm often not in the mood to go one on one with someone I've never met before, while I'm more often than not perfectly happy to chat to that person, I'm still giving them time and that should be respected.
Yes members can usually have conversations with people in real life, but they're choosing to have a conversation with a model who charges for her time, so yes, the appropriate thing to do if she's giving you her time is to tip. Remember that you're not just hanging out with a mate, the model you're chatting to isn't your friend. She is working for her living. (yes there are exceptions when someone becomes a friend, but even then, it doesn't make any difference, she's still working.) If you don't feel just chatting to a model is worth any money then you shouldn't spend any time chatting to her.
I also don't think it's a horrible thing for a member to never tip "just because" and to only spend tokens on skype, privates, groups, videos and countdowns. A member is totally entitled to spend his money how he wants. What isn't so cool is lurking around a room watching and enjoying all countdowns and enjoying the chat in the chatroom and never tipping towards a show, only spending money on privates. I think it also shows a lack of generosity in the person if they hang out with the same model repeatedly, spend time chatting to her in pm etc and never tip her in appreciation of her and the shows he's enjoying but always tip for "something extra". It's up to them what they do and where/how they spend their money, but I still think it says something about the person. Most people are selfish in general, some are very giving by nature. It's pretty easy to see who's who when you're a model, even if the members don't realise it themselves.
I think people get self entitled with chatting. A woman in real life might chat to them for free even though they're just being polite, whilst a woman in real life won't do sex acts with someone unless she's attracted to that person and he plays it well. I do wish dudes would stop with it being a moral thing. The amount of times I've heard this moral speech about how it's against their morals/nature to pay for someone to talk to them yet they're totally cool with paying for sex/sex acts. It's nothing to do with moral values, it's because they feel that in real life they can get something for free so they shouldn't ever have to pay for it. Kind of similar to people refusing to pay for porn because they can see it for free all over the net. I've also heard those people making out it's some kind of moral value.
A model is selling her time and attention, not her body. In a private it's still the same price if I'm just going to be chatting to someone as it is if I'm taking my clothes off. I don't care much either way, it's about time. Sure, sometimes I'm not in the mood to do sex stuff and I'm often not in the mood to go one on one with someone I've never met before, while I'm more often than not perfectly happy to chat to that person, I'm still giving them time and that should be respected.
Yes members can usually have conversations with people in real life, but they're choosing to have a conversation with a model who charges for her time, so yes, the appropriate thing to do if she's giving you her time is to tip. Remember that you're not just hanging out with a mate, the model you're chatting to isn't your friend. She is working for her living. (yes there are exceptions when someone becomes a friend, but even then, it doesn't make any difference, she's still working.) If you don't feel just chatting to a model is worth any money then you shouldn't spend any time chatting to her.
I also don't think it's a horrible thing for a member to never tip "just because" and to only spend tokens on skype, privates, groups, videos and countdowns. A member is totally entitled to spend his money how he wants. What isn't so cool is lurking around a room watching and enjoying all countdowns and enjoying the chat in the chatroom and never tipping towards a show, only spending money on privates. I think it also shows a lack of generosity in the person if they hang out with the same model repeatedly, spend time chatting to her in pm etc and never tip her in appreciation of her and the shows he's enjoying but always tip for "something extra". It's up to them what they do and where/how they spend their money, but I still think it says something about the person. Most people are selfish in general, some are very giving by nature. It's pretty easy to see who's who when you're a model, even if the members don't realise it themselves.
Isabella_deL said:
Kinda yes, kinda no. Take... I dunno, Dave. Dave logs onto MFC one day and sees that TitsMcJugs123 is offering cheap Skype shows. Dave is kinda horny and just happens to have the exact number of tokens the Skype show is being offered for so he tips TitsMcJugs123 and corks one out while she fondles herself and moans his name over on Skype. Dave enjoys the show, TitsMcJugs123 is a good looking girl with a cracking pair of tits (as one might expect), but Dave doesn't feel like she's the type of person he'd want to spend too much time with outside of a sexual environment. He hopes that she enjoyed the show but he doesn't think he'll be back. He knows that if it wasn't for the tokens he just tipped, she never would have fondled herself and moaned his name and he's fine with that.
Later that same day, Dave sees that MustangSally is online. MustangSally is one of Dave's favourite models. She likes the same things Dave likes, she has a similar world view as Dave, Dave always enjoys spending time in her room and he thinks of her as something closer to a friend than mere wank-fodder. She seems to like Dave too, sharing things with Dave in PMs that she doesn't feel comfortable sharing with the room, and talking to him off cam as well. A while later, Dave finds out that MustangSally doesn't really enjoy talking to Dave at all and only ever did so because he tipped. Dave is hurt by this. While Dave readily accepts that the only way he'd be able to get a girl like TitsMcJugs123 to moan his name while she fondles herself, is to pay her, Dave thought that MustangSally actually enjoyed talking to him and he's kinda bummed out to learn that the only thing she enjoyed about him was his tokens.
Dave vows to only ever tip for sexual services from now on and to never tip for conversation. That way, Dave concludes, he'll never get hurt in camland again.
Clearly Dave is wrong-headed, but I can see how he would come to conclude that tipping for sex shows = fine, tipping for conversation = problematic. There are plenty of Daves on MFC too, I reckon.
Every time this guy types, imagine whose voice I hear saying it:
Isabella_deL said:
It's not as easy as you think. You may think a member has been frequently absent, when he's actually logged in as guest, basic or on an alt-premium account you don't know about.
Also, you mustn't confused professed morality with plain old shame. North American culture is very shame-based, and it creates a kind of schizophenic pattern of behaviour. A member might feel ashamed of himself for asking a model to finger her butthole, and decide that belongs in a different compartment in his life from the one he brings out for casual conversation or polite company. The member will be one type of person with Ms.Butthole, and another toward Ms.Comicbookfan. It's why the same bible belt folks that want to pray to Jesus in schools are some of the biggest consumers of porn. My guess is that they're also among the most abusive cam-site patrons.
Well.. I know mfc since some time, and clearly the site has gained a lot of weight in terms of traffic, relevance, etc. IMO is not only just SEO and external promotion. IMHO, is a actually solidly based in the social aspect (the wiki for users is full of references to this, direct or indirect ones) . So it's pretty clear that the perception received by the users, needed to be that one, like it or not. And a huge part of its traffic (traffic, not each model's success once you get all that crazy load of people browsing internally the site), and so, the money all models gain, is due to this amazing loads of visits per day, the authority given by Google to the site, and the partly freemium (a huge part of this model owes its success to the fact that members do think they are socially interacting, specially the higher tippers) + social model, working as a great carrot for all. Not just the name my free cams has taken a big part in it, but the whole focus, site features, etc, lead to give every incoming visitor through the freemium model: You get to know the site, and even interact a little, to see if you are ok with putting money for the activities. If you think this all would work without it... Hum, no, I don't think you seriously believe that. Of course, once models do get an audience, there's this sensation that the general system (the carrot) didn't help to get there. Or that wont be needed in the long run. But IMO, that'd be wrong (in my 2c version of it. Although is not important to me, at all)
I used t tip really high (and I mean really. But who would believe it, lol). Just that specially in the late times, it was pretty random, and very rarely to contribute for a show, nor any of the usual reasons. So I guess they were more than fine with that. Consider that I was the one invited, if logged in, to the chat room (2 or 3 models, only.Now I only speak with one). Even if said in the PM message window that I was not going to give tokens. So, if the purpose was other than chatting, I would not understand... But I was indeed speaking generally, not of my case, I was using my own experience to try to understand the matter, but that's all. I don't really go through this game of tokens-shows anymore (for chatting, prefer skype friends which I know from real life. And for the other aspect of it, actual sex is better, obviously, and porn as is something I always consumed more or less)...But when it was the time I tipped, it was big quantities. I do agree this is no reason at all to expect new attention (neither need it). Of course not. But as I say, the initiative does not come from me. Probably is because I tipped a real lot in the past, maybe the thought of the chance for this, of something like that, remains, and meanwhile, I must not be super boring chatting or sth? Maybe. Is not the center of my life, anyway, lol. I mean, if there's some shadow of a possibility that it's seen with bad eyes that I chat to some model (they seem clearly bored at times, but is not that I am thinking I'm a good solution for that, lol. Just that didn't seem to be bad) , then by all means, I should not get into those rooms anymore. True that I never plan on tipping (despite if I finally tip or not), if I have tokens I give them randomly. This way, those tokens will never reach there, but well, the rules of the game (not clear, or easily accessible in any visible place in the site) , if those are clearly these, I do respect them. Anyway, as mentioned, I've no need for the place, at all.
(that said, I really hope it keeps going so well, as seems it solves a lot of personal situations (speaking only about models))
About the traffic matter... it perhaps would be curious to see what the site would be without this constant success in bringing new visitors, without that flow (and what really brings it there, and keeps it)... But well, nothing that I am particularly interested in convince anyone about (meaning the reasons why so many come, why it works so greatly in google, and why certain lot of people hang in there).
Anyway, is not that I've ever thought the friendship can be 'real' (there), or completely so. I kind of saw it more of an act of politeness, social behavior, and because, as fake as it could be, the exchange of ideas/talk happens whether or not models are acting also when speaking at certain levels and after some time. Is not that I think every person I talk to in the street and in general life are being totally open or really sincere... Maybe a 2% of those would be even a generous number, heh. But definitely, if is that generalized that is seen with bad eyes (the social aspect of it even if no tokens show up in a whole conversation) am out, the worse would be not respecting the mentioned rules, written or not.
I used t tip really high (and I mean really. But who would believe it, lol). Just that specially in the late times, it was pretty random, and very rarely to contribute for a show, nor any of the usual reasons. So I guess they were more than fine with that. Consider that I was the one invited, if logged in, to the chat room (2 or 3 models, only.Now I only speak with one). Even if said in the PM message window that I was not going to give tokens. So, if the purpose was other than chatting, I would not understand... But I was indeed speaking generally, not of my case, I was using my own experience to try to understand the matter, but that's all. I don't really go through this game of tokens-shows anymore (for chatting, prefer skype friends which I know from real life. And for the other aspect of it, actual sex is better, obviously, and porn as is something I always consumed more or less)...But when it was the time I tipped, it was big quantities. I do agree this is no reason at all to expect new attention (neither need it). Of course not. But as I say, the initiative does not come from me. Probably is because I tipped a real lot in the past, maybe the thought of the chance for this, of something like that, remains, and meanwhile, I must not be super boring chatting or sth? Maybe. Is not the center of my life, anyway, lol. I mean, if there's some shadow of a possibility that it's seen with bad eyes that I chat to some model (they seem clearly bored at times, but is not that I am thinking I'm a good solution for that, lol. Just that didn't seem to be bad) , then by all means, I should not get into those rooms anymore. True that I never plan on tipping (despite if I finally tip or not), if I have tokens I give them randomly. This way, those tokens will never reach there, but well, the rules of the game (not clear, or easily accessible in any visible place in the site) , if those are clearly these, I do respect them. Anyway, as mentioned, I've no need for the place, at all.
(that said, I really hope it keeps going so well, as seems it solves a lot of personal situations (speaking only about models))About the traffic matter... it perhaps would be curious to see what the site would be without this constant success in bringing new visitors, without that flow (and what really brings it there, and keeps it)... But well, nothing that I am particularly interested in convince anyone about (meaning the reasons why so many come, why it works so greatly in google, and why certain lot of people hang in there).
Anyway, is not that I've ever thought the friendship can be 'real' (there), or completely so. I kind of saw it more of an act of politeness, social behavior, and because, as fake as it could be, the exchange of ideas/talk happens whether or not models are acting also when speaking at certain levels and after some time. Is not that I think every person I talk to in the street and in general life are being totally open or really sincere... Maybe a 2% of those would be even a generous number, heh. But definitely, if is that generalized that is seen with bad eyes (the social aspect of it even if no tokens show up in a whole conversation) am out, the worse would be not respecting the mentioned rules, written or not.
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While that is true, these aren't the members I'm talking about. Maybe I'm alone in this, but I tend to be able to tell with members which ones are being all polite and chatty with me and aren't so much with other models. Members aren't nearly as sly as they think they are. I think that yes, some members are more sexual with certain models than others. That's totally normal. Like in Bobs little scenario some model's they might find hot but simply don't have anything in common with, meaning they don't want to spend any time chatting to that model but might want to buy her vids or take her private. Most men are fairly good at separating sex from emotions. Actually so much that when you remove sex from the picture men tend to get more emotionally involved, and will often not want to be so sexual with camgirls they feel emotionally involved with.
I'm also not talking about "professed morality", or actually I was, but in the opposite sense, that the members who profess morality tend to be the less moral ones. The ones who just hang out, tip for sexy stuff and tip for hanging out don't seem to ever talk about morals, yet I think they have far more of them.
I also completely understand the concept of members being ok with paying for sex stuff but expecting the girl they're chatting to to want to be there. I just personally think that I'd rather talk to someone who's not altogether enjoying the conversation than to have sex with/engage in sexual activity with someone who's not enjoying it and is only doing it for some money. For me that would be a bigger deal, and I guess it is for a lot of guys, but because they want the sexual activity and they know for a fact they won't get it without paying, and they care more about having that sexual action than the girl enjoying it for the same reasons. At the end of the day, whatever they say, though they enjoy the chat they put less of a value on it. There are certain things in life we always take for granted as being free, and having an enjoyable conversation with someone is one of those things. I'm not entirely sure where the concept of paying for sex/sexual activities originally came from, but it's been something people have been doing for a very very long time, so I guess people are kind of tuned into thinking that's ok and that sex is something that can be bought.
It's a classic case of members forgetting where they are and who they're actually talking to. It does happen all the time and it is ridiculously delusional. One of the reasons I like it when members will tip me for my time as well as sexual things is it shows they actually respect my time and respect that it is my job. It also shows that they're more of a friend to me as they're not always thinking selfishly.
In the scenario with the member who decides to only tip for sexual things, his excuse is it means he won't get hurt and he'll know the girl is there to talk to him for him, but really what he's doing is still paying for the stuff he knows he won't get otherwise, and then trying to get free time and attention for free, wasting her time, because he wants his cake and he wants to eat it too. The camgirl gets cheated out of time and money by putting effort into this member, he professes he cares about her as a friend, but really he doesn't at all, he wants her to care about him but is only thinking of himself so cannot care about her in return. He's not respecting her job, her time or her feelings. If he cared about her as a friend he'd respect the time she gives him by tipping for those things as well as sexual things, or he'd never engage in long pm conversations with her (even if she started it) when he has no intention of tipping for anything other than sex stuff.
Back on topic!
I find it incredibly annoying when members write ridiculously long walls of text without paragraph breaks, especially when they make very little sense.
I find it incredibly annoying when members write ridiculously long walls of text without paragraph breaks, especially when they make very little sense.
When members try to ruin your moment.
I got my highest tip beaten 2 days ago, unexpectedly. A guy who had been kind of a douche since he came into the room a few minutes before that, said "Need a hug, guywhotippedLily?"
Yes, because he feels oh so bad now. That's why he tipped me in the first place, because he knew he'd regret it after the fact.
I got my highest tip beaten 2 days ago, unexpectedly. A guy who had been kind of a douche since he came into the room a few minutes before that, said "Need a hug, guywhotippedLily?"
Yes, because he feels oh so bad now. That's why he tipped me in the first place, because he knew he'd regret it after the fact.
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Thanks, very good points. Specially agreeing about this fact that when you get to "know" (not really, of course) the model, you do not want to participate in more tipping for shows. (I got tired of the whole show thing, but that's me)
While I was speaking about the average Joe, what is right for him...Trust me, I have such a clean conscience about what I tipped. Gosh, you would not ever believe it... And was mainly to 3 models. I mean, if one guy tips you 2k or 3k (tokens) one day, for nothing in exchange, just he felt good doing it, but next day wont tip a single token (and maybe neither the day after, but perhaps yep following monday), but talks to you (only in moments that sees you are not busy), and not for long, just checking how you are, etc, I fail then to see what's wrong there. Maybe one is skipping some rules in doing so, but I think that like in any business, it also have some weight what you earn with someone in a month. If at the end of the month you sum the tips, and let's say (is just an example) that this one guy provided with 5k or 7k tokens or the like, while not tipping at all many days, just logged, some minutes, of random talk for some moments, then log out. (and in the times when speaking more, just as one sees is not interrupting any task). I my self work for customers, and need to apply lots of flexibility (if the gain balance if ok for me, of course!)
Agreeing with practically all what you said. Thank you.
Thanks, very good points. Specially agreeing about this fact that when you get to "know" (not really, of course) the model, you do not want to participate in more tipping for shows. (I got tired of the whole show thing, but that's me)
While I was speaking about the average Joe, what is right for him...Trust me, I have such a clean conscience about what I tipped. Gosh, you would not ever believe it... And was mainly to 3 models. I mean, if one guy tips you 2k or 3k (tokens) one day, for nothing in exchange, just he felt good doing it, but next day wont tip a single token (and maybe neither the day after, but perhaps yep following monday), but talks to you (only in moments that sees you are not busy), and not for long, just checking how you are, etc, I fail then to see what's wrong there. Maybe one is skipping some rules in doing so, but I think that like in any business, it also have some weight what you earn with someone in a month. If at the end of the month you sum the tips, and let's say (is just an example) that this one guy provided with 5k or 7k tokens or the like, while not tipping at all many days, just logged, some minutes, of random talk for some moments, then log out. (and in the times when speaking more, just as one sees is not interrupting any task). I my self work for customers, and need to apply lots of flexibility (if the gain balance if ok for me, of course!)
Agreeing with practically all what you said. Thank you.
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Finebrush said:
You are incredibly hard to understand. I'm going to guess English is not your first language but you are obviously pretty good at it. Maybe try keeping your posts a little more simple and too the point, because I'm fairly certain you are losing all of us in your current long worded posts.
I think I MAYBE have an idea of what your talking about but... not exactly sure.
There have been many a post lately that were so long that I couldn't understand them, and didn't even get through them at all.JoleneBrody said:
Maybe a word of recommendation (especially Finebrush and even Isabella) would be to keep posts simpler. Less wordy.
Yep. It is my second language. And I know I write too much and in a very disorganized way when I'm in a forum. I apologize.
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Yeah sorry, I've been ranting even more than usual lately! My mind is a bit fuddled because of hormones! I seem to just be going off on a rambling spree without realising I'm doing it!
From what I gathered from Finebrush's post he was talking about members tipping models loads "just because" one night then not tipping but chatting to them another night. This is fine. So long as you don't tip "just because" once and then either start demanding loads of attention/content, or never tip again and expect one on one attention for months/years afterwards then it's completely ok. You don't have to tip a model every time she's on cam. Plus, when you tipped her "just because" as you didn't buy any content with that tip in my eyes is put aside for time spent in conversation (so long as the dude isn't a complete idiot). If you only tipped for content/skypes/bought privates then expected loads of free time chatting outside what you've paid for then that's a different story.
I tend to class tipping for countdowns as "just because" tipping as I include most tips to countdowns anyway, and most of my regs don't care much about the countdown and just want to keep my room moving and fun for everyone. But it depends on how much they actually care about the end result of the countdown.
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