I just realized I've actually PMed a model in the middle of her doing a show. I'm ashamed of myself.
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Yo Debbie could you maybe like, go shit up a different thread with your trolling/fear mongering. Schtick is already played out and you have less than 30 posts.sv89 said:
I thanked his post before looking at the username.JoleneBrody said:sv89 said:
... this is like, the first rational thing you've said and now my emotions are confused! :crybaby:
Now that guy has a "thanks" from me. :|
I want to add though that those members are especially awful if they're insisting on that in a new model's room. I've seen so many naive new models who have nothing but "rate and admire me please!" in their topic, not making tokens, wasting away precious time, because a guy (or probably a group of guys) told them their camscore will rise if only enough people rate them 5 stars and admire them. It hurts my soul.
And then when you come in the room to clear things up and explain to the girl how camscore actually works, they jump down your throat, and either tell you you're lying to her, or that you don't know how camscore works, or that you're just trying to get attention.
Members that convince models that skype is somehow bad. Skype helps out a camscore way more than a true pvt does yet few models actually use skype. And in most of the rooms if you ask about skype you either get banned or the members will harass you for asking about it.
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Members who haven't figured out how to hide their Token Count & Rewards Points and then seem flabbergasted when models continuously ban them for seemingly innocuous comments.
If I can see that a gent has zero tokens, 20 points, and his profile indicates he's been a member for 345 days AND he's blurting out erotic commentary I just can't take him seriously as a person.
It could be that he's just never found the right girl to buy tokens for, and it could be that he's fiscally responsible and has an illustrious history of "paypal for skype", and it could be that he has another premium account with a zillion rewards points and he uses his 0/20 account to psychologically vet models who are willing to take a chance on love but it also could be that he's a fucking idiot and I simply don't have time to unravel that mystery.
If I can see that a gent has zero tokens, 20 points, and his profile indicates he's been a member for 345 days AND he's blurting out erotic commentary I just can't take him seriously as a person.
It could be that he's just never found the right girl to buy tokens for, and it could be that he's fiscally responsible and has an illustrious history of "paypal for skype", and it could be that he has another premium account with a zillion rewards points and he uses his 0/20 account to psychologically vet models who are willing to take a chance on love but it also could be that he's a fucking idiot and I simply don't have time to unravel that mystery.
sv89 said:
Lolz.
Private benefits:
Model receives set amount of tokens per minute, earning more money with each second that passes.
Money earned in a private goes towards camscore.
Model doesn't have to worry about member tracking her ISP.
If it's not a true private, then there's the possibility of other members spying on said private, thus earning the model additional tokens.
Anyone just logging on to see that model will know that she's in a private and will likely be back soon.
Skype benefits:
Model receives payment upfront so even if member cuts the session short, the model still receives full payment.
Private negatives:
I got nothin'.
Skype negatives:
Model risks having her ISP tracked.
If payment is made in any currency other than tokens, then it won't benefit her camscore, and if it's PayPal, she risks losing that money altogether.
It takes her away from MFC completely, thus potentially losing her custom.
No chance for additional tokens from "spies".
If model loses track of time or member convinces her to extend the session, she risks not being paid for additional time/work.
The guys that hate on studio owners are also pretty annoying, they think they are ripping off the models but they aren't.
A studio owner has to pay rent,internet,electricity, have tech support staff. They also have to buy computers and networking equipment,furniture and decorations for the room, also lighting and video cameras.
A studio owner has to pay rent,internet,electricity, have tech support staff. They also have to buy computers and networking equipment,furniture and decorations for the room, also lighting and video cameras.
sv89 said:
Okay I have been holding my tongue when it comes to you but:
ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS?! You have to be the most annoyingly stupid idiotic prick I have run across. You have committed in numerous threads about five SERIOUS offenses that would get you for life from my room. Can I please have your MFC screenname so I can go ahead and 60-day ban you to make sure you NEVER wander in my room? I can also guarantee IF you happened to make it into my room, even my not-so-regulars would eat you alive and make you hope to never come across my room again... I'm not even going to entertain you with mentioning EVERYTHING wrong with the quoted post above and Bob hit on most of them but there are sooooo many more.
KamikaziKitty said:
Less time on for the same amount of tokens increases the camscore,when you have a higher camscore you get more people coming into your room.
To solve the issues just have a countdown clock, only accept tokens and use a vpn and only use it as an option for true pvt, but keep the reg prvt so people can spy.
sv89 said:
Just because you think someone is able to inflate a camscore with Skype doesn't mean that inflated camscore will do ANYTHING for that model. So what, she accepts the skype for tokens and is never online because she's too busy doing skypes. So how is she supposed to gain more regulars? If she's not online no one will see her anyway so it's fucking pointless. You really really really don't get MFC at all and I suggest you find somewhere else to try your bullshit. Again I want your screen name so I can go ahead and ban you now. No joke.
sv89 said:
Plus, you said yourself, you don't even buy tokens because you "want to save money" but watch shows for free. So why would your opinion on ANY matter involving tokens be important?
sv89 said:
You know people who run cam studios... Okay there's your first problem. You know STUDIO OWNERS not MODELS. You do know that half the time those studio owners tip the models to inflate the score THEMSELVES. Inflating a camscore does NOTHING for the model, especially one who hasn't figured out how to run her room the way SHE (not a studio owner) likes. Not only that, you are on a message board where I would say MOST of the models here are INDEPENDENT and not working with a studio. The one's that I have met or heard from who worked for studios HATED it for many many varying reasons. I'm going to wage a bet that these "studio owners" you know are actually you and your pipe dream of making it rich off of someone elses hard word because yes, these girls work their asses off for their camscores, paychecks, regulars and if you take a look a good portion of the girls here are incredibly successful.
Guess what, we know what we're doing. The girls who have questions go to Model's Only to get answers because people like you have a bad habit of spreading awful misinformation with no actual knowledge of how ANYTHING works...
I don't own a studio nor do I have any intention of owning a studio, and there is nothing wrong with people that do own studios. They are providing things for models that can't get it, why should they let a model keep 100% when they have alot of expenses when it comes to the running the studio.
You could have just provided given more examples of the pros and cons of skype, I'm not saying that models should do it, it was just a suggestion that should be looked into. If I was going to become a model I would be more open to ideas about increasing profits and not get an attitude when people do suggest ideas.
You could have just provided given more examples of the pros and cons of skype, I'm not saying that models should do it, it was just a suggestion that should be looked into. If I was going to become a model I would be more open to ideas about increasing profits and not get an attitude when people do suggest ideas.
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mutantdonut said:
I can only click the Thank button once but.......THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!
Related to that post, another thing that's annoying is trying to tell a model how to be a model. Examples:
"You should show more, tease us a little"
"Your countdown is a little too high, maybe lower it a bit."
"No one wants to risk their tokens on a silly game, they want to see a show"
"You won't be very successful in January anyway. People still have to pay off Christmas and stuff."
:angry4: :angry4: :angry4: :angry4:
I mean honestly how long does it take to read a profile that will answer every question you may have? One of my regs PMed me because I was getting a little peeved that no one was reading about my raffle rules. He said, "Well no one's here to read, TK." This is the same one who keeps telling me to lower my countdowns because I'm not popular enough to reach them. :hand:
(I had 5 shots of Jack Daniel's in my system)
"Do you want to get banned? Your pessimistic comments are going to get you 60 days on my shit list."
He was silent as the grave after that. Even if those comments are said with the best intentions, common sense should kick in and say, "Hey...there's a possibility she could take this the wrong way. I better be quiet."
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sv89 said:
Well until you get over your dry spell and buy some tokens in order to purchase that Skype show or private that you covet so badly......SHUT
THE FUCK UP! I'm not saying Skype is terrible, I use it for awesome regulars who have supported me to give them more privacy. If a certain model refrains from using Skype at all(it's none of your business why), you must respect that and either pony up for her time on MFC/SM/Chaturbate/what have you, or just log off and watch a video on a tube site because you are clearly not ready to interact with a live woman.
TKLovely said:sv89 said:
Well until you get over your dry spell and buy some tokens in order to purchase that Skype show or private that you covet so badly......SHUT
I'm not saying Skype is terrible, I use it for awesome regulars who have supported me to give them more privacy. If a certain model refrains from using Skype at all(it's none of your business why), you must respect that and either pony up for her time on MFC/SM/Chaturbate/what have you, or just log off and watch a video on a tube site because you are clearly not ready to interact with a live woman.
I'm going to second what TK said, I do use skype but ONLY for regulars and even then it is VERY rare that I would accept it because my regulars RESPECT my room rules. You were given more than enough examples of pro's and con's by Bob, I shouldn't need to eloborate since he said more than enough to cover it. If I was going to become a model I'd be open to ideas for increasing profits FROM OTHER MODELS, sure as hell not from a member. Go to any new model's room (with new model tag) and watch all of the "helpful members" do anything and everything they can to SCAM a new model, mostly involving paypal and skype... Hmmmmmmm are we seeing a trend here ladies and gents? and now I am hiding all posts from sv89 because I'm going to give myself a concussion with the amount of banging my head against a wall this idiot has caused.
He might have some accounts... Or just create new ones. A lot of users do this to stop having too many invitations from certain models when the member is in another room. I've done it and is pretty easy (yup, despite my main interest in cams is curiosity, I have been a very generous tipper in the past, mainly as were tips in exchange of nothing (talking, but only if some interesting conversation shows up), and really big tips). Besides I doubt he would give you his screen name... (maybe he proves me wrong now, hehe)
Heck, I even received several invitations to talk and whatever from a quite high ranked model I never interacted with. I don't know, maybe they go through a list of people with reward points or platinum status etc, and then go hunting to see if catch someone (I dunno, I just wonder)... Not criticizing it, of course.
Anyway... TK, do you then think is a wrong thing to warn (politely, and just one mention) a model that insists a lot to members (dedicating a large chunk of her time and energy in this) in this of rating and admiring the model? I ask because, as it was something that I did learn in these forums, the other day I told a model that doing that does not increase MFC camscore. Told her she could check the veracity of this info in forums or the like. (did not point her here, as I didn't felt to have the right to) She wouldn't answer, but I did not insisted nor tried to continue the conversation. I simply said bye and logged out. I saw a strong focus on that thing, both by her and the regulars, so I felt would be a good idea to at least give her the idea to research later about that, so I did not care a single bit that she did not even replied me. I would never ever do anything to "convince" a model to do something for me. Not only I hate just the idea of it, it is that if I were to want something I would tip, largely. But main point is I don't need it, neither so curious/voyeur anymore...
About the studios. I have always deeply hated the concept. If I already don't like that a model can't just mount her own site and control all the thing, even more the studios matter. But that said, I have known models (sorry, I mean, had talked to them in a friendly way since the beginning, but of course, all virtual. Call it whatever) that clearly explained me why it is so complex in certain situations to go without the help of a studio. And there's also horrible studios, and a minority that are somewhat decent. The chunk they take is large, going from 50% to 30%. Add to that what the site takes... So the member often think he/she is giving a lot of money, but often haven't got a clue on what is the model actually gaining. I would rather prefer if it would be possible for certain persons to do camming without studios. But the other money gaining options are even worse, in many situations...
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Finebrush said:
No not at all. It's not like you're trying to convince to do something for you, you're simply pointing out some misguided information. Whether she acts on that or not is clearly up to her.
Studios serve a good purpose, if you dont have the money to get the equipment how can you cam. And even with a 30-50% cut they take, its still alot higher cut you keep than in most industries. Its like if you a chef and you want to operate your own place, you need money to do it. And in order to get money you have to work for someone else who is going to pay you a fraction of what you produce.
Finebrush said:
Don't get me wrong, I am not knocking ALL studios. I have actually seen a studio in my area (specifically a camming studio for several popular cam sites) that is set up so that each model will have a private room, state of the art equipment to cam with/create vids to sell with, insane internet connection speeds, someone on site to provide technical support 24/7 (not the same person but a few people well qualified to troubleshoot or repair most of the equipment in shifts), the owners and the staff know the rules and regulations and what is/is not allowed for each site and can answer any questions quickly through the PM functions of each site, and are very on top of running a professional studio the way I would ideally like to see all studios run. They do require the models to work in shifts but there is no "quota" to meet. The girls are given a few months to get their groove and if it isn't working out for either the studio or the model there is absolutely nothing in the contract holding them to that studio for any certain amount of time. The studio take is 10% of the model's takings. Keep in mind that the owner did expect a loss at first but has been running a very successful videography and photography company for decades so he has the capital to back it up and he knows his business and when to cut his losses with certain girls. He also looks out for their actual physical and mental wellbeing.
However, for that one studio there are a bazillion others that are a creepy guy who just wants a camgirl to cam in his closet and constantly either harasses her or actually assaults her. Then you have the biggest joke of all, Virtual Studios... You know, they take 30% of what you're going to make pretty much just for signing you up. There is no technical support, you supply your own internet, equipment, etc, and now you're paying someone to fill out a form for you and nothing more. (again there are a few virtual studios that have very specific perks to them that DO benefit the model but again, those are much more rare than the former).
Now back on topic, probably the most annoying thing I've really had to deal with memberwise are the members who purposefully make multiple accounts so that they can continue to harass a model after his other account is banned. I have one who just will not go away at all. I've banned him 67 times under 67 different screen names in less than two months (by today's count). The only reason I even know it's the same member is because he announces it the moment he enters the room every. fucking. time. Honestly he wouldn't bother me that much as a troll if he didn't announce who he was first. I'd ban him and just let it go but dear god... This is getting old. I mean, I doubt I'm the only one he does this to and why does he waste so much time an energy to do this? 67 premium accounts in less than two months is pretty ridiculous.
Finebrush said:
She probably didn't believe you because her regulars have been telling her something different. It's in the MFC wiki and she could easily find out that the only things affecting camscore are tokens.
Studios, in general, aren't all bad. Studios with physical locations that girls go to work in every day deserve a percentage of her income since they're providing her with equipment, location, advice, etc., but virtual studios are the ones that are terrible. They don't provide anything for the model that she couldn't do for herself and essentially just take a percentage because she didn't know to sign up with the website directly.
Heck! There must be something against this...! I suppose it is not practical to contact the cam site (or cam sites) owners so to put a perm ban on the guy based on email address + IP + whatever they collect during registration process ? I'd be inclined to think this is considered and clearly set in the terms of any site when a member registers. That is, that if you harass someone, is the moment when the people handling the site are by written terms, allowed to use this data to actually disallow the guy to register or keep being a member anymore. I mean, 67 times. Gosh. Surely it'd be extremely helpful if you trigger (only when he arrives, as it eats cpu and overall performance) some screen recording software (there are many, and good, free ones) so to record all his offensive, trolling and harassing acts. If the site owners are active in that area, sending a pair of mails (one with the request, another with a pair or more of quite compressed videos of what happened (in case the mail filters wouldn't allow attachments of the kind, that at least they get your complaint)) might help a lot, maybe even ending with the guy needing to find some other portal and model to mess with. Of course, checking in support wikis which are the channels and methods to do this in each site might be the way to go... IMO, the guy is clearly obsessed with you. :shock: (As mentioned, I needed to make new accounts for the opposite reason, but those models were just too insistent, spammy... not harassing. )
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Wow...i really think you should contact model support and tell them about this. Because' i'm sure they'd be pissed that he was creating so many accounts and then he's harassing you on top of that.
I'm really sorry you're having to put up with this guy and kinda shocked at the level of effort he's put it..
Finebrush said:
MFC Perm bans are only based on IP+email+cookies not credit card/name/home address. They will block you from entering the site after being perm ban, but if you clear the cookies you can view the site and create a basic account but your blocked from buying tokens and going premium,and that is based on email+IP. Even if you create an account with cleared cookies,fresh IP and fresh email, go premium if you accidentally log in it with the blacklisted IP you will no longer be able to buy tokens again.
But in the payment details you can put all the same information you want and if you dont draw any attention to yourself mfc doesn't care if you are back on the site spending money. I knew someone that got perm banned after he pissed off another member so that member told the admins the person was underage, and the admins wouldn't even unban him when he offered to sent in his ID,so he had to go through a bunch of hassle to get a fresh working premium account.
The fact that you know this so well (clearly from experience, heh "you knew someone"), combined with how much you've annoyed everyone with your argumentative ways, I think it's time for you to go.sv89 said:
Das boot.
KamikaziKitty said:
If I may offer a humble suggestion. Turn this to your advantage. Don't get mad. Don't show annoyance. Instead make it a game. Every single time he enters the room laugh and announce 'The Troll is back, let's see how long he can stay this time. 100 tokens to ban the Troll, first to tip gets to be the Troll Killer of the day!'
Something like that. You can devise it however you like of course. But the gist is to turn it into a fun activity the room regulars can join in to get rid of him. Instead of an annoying time for the room it becomes a fun unifying game and in joke. You get 100 tokens every time you ban him. Someone gets the honor for that day of being the one to vanquish him. Hell, if it takes off and you're comfy with graphics, make up a nice one for the game rules and add the names of the vanquishers to the picture.
I'm betting if he sees, not only you no longer care, but are turning it around and making more tokens specifically off him coming to your room, he may just decide it's no longer worth it. And if he does persist, tokens! :lol:
+1 . Their brain or whatever is in place works like that.
Heck, if it's for a good cause, I could even help with the graphics (fast graphics, that is :mrgreen: )
I'm suddenly curious about this. Models do make hand drawn game rules like in a rol playing game in their room? :geek:
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