Annoying things members do

[JoleneBrody]

I like the model but I like saving up money, and I dont want to get addicted to tipping, mfc designed the tip system to be addicting.

And I quote.

 

[schlmoe]

Your point is good but completely unrelated to this situation and therefor pretty pointless.
I'm not going to light you on fire today, but I will point out that all of your points are about a person being afraid to use his card online, and there was zero mention of that in his post.

He actually specifically said he doesn't not like to tip because he prefers saving his money. I'm only working off of the facts here.
Then again I am also a believer that if you are so paranoid about using a credit or debit card on a site like MFC, but are not interested enough in exploring the alternatives yourself (which any reasonable human who actually WANTS to tip would) then again... you probably shouldn't be spending time on a site like MFC.

Sorry you didn't like my response but mine was a little more seated in reality than yours.

I did not dislike your response one bit, in fact agree. 99.999% of the *I only have paypal* excuses ARE BS. And I agree with your rebuttal.

I was just trying to give another viewpoint from a dudes point of view. Things (excuses) that I have heard in the lounge, from dudes I know IRL, etc.

"Can't use the CC because the wife might find out" In a similar vein, "the wife keeps a close eye on my spending" (excuse on why he doesn't buy gift card). And I have heard from a IRL friend "what if my bank finds out that I went to splooge.com?"

There are going to very few dudes coming here to tell these stories (whether true or not), because it will make them look like a wuss. So maybe the *paypal* excuse is trotted out so very often is to avoid looking like a wuss. Anybody who's been on MFC more than once or twice knows you can't buy tokens with paypal. They say it anyway because they are too stupid or naive that they don't realize they look like a scammer or freeloader, or they don't care. As long as they are not a wuss.

In the end, we agree more than we disagree. If you can't pay, don't expect to play. If you want to play, you'll find a way to pay. I think that sums it up.

 

[sv89]

But why don't models want to be sent money directly, Like out of 1,000 tokens a model gets $50, and mfc gets like $30. So why not send $51.28 to cover the paypal fee and the model gets the same and you save about $28.71.

If you put payment of IT services (as reason its being sent) paypal will not think its for something adult related.

 

[MintyFlowers]

people who bitch about others tipping non nude models.

Why are you so mad about how other people spend their money?

 

[NoelleBright]

But why don't models want to be sent money directly, Like out of 1,000 tokens a model gets $50, and mfc gets like $30. So why not send $51.28 to cover the paypal fee and the model gets the same and you save about $28.71.

If you put payment of IT services (as reason its being sent) paypal will not think its for something adult related.

Models don't take paypal because it is too easy to get scammed.
It is so easy to get a payment reversed on paypal, its almost unbelievable. The model is then out all of that money and her paypal account will also blacklisted, meaning not only can she no longer receive any payments at all for any reason, she also won't be able to buy anything from a website that uses paypal to process payments.

Not to mention, being sent money directly doesn't help her camscore in any way, etc.

 

[mutantdonut]

But why don't models want to be sent money directly, Like out of 1,000 tokens a model gets $50, and mfc gets like $30. So why not send $51.28 to cover the paypal fee and the model gets the same and you save about $28.71.

If you put payment of IT services (as reason its being sent) paypal will not think its for something adult related.

Cut and pasted from another site
Why PayPal is a Bad Option for Adult Cam Models
1. Paypal is notoriously anti-adult work. They go to great lengths and use very complicated algorithms to find users that are breaking this rule. You may think you’re smarter than them, but you’re not. Your account will be shut down.
2. Not only will your account be shut down, you will be permanently banned from Paypal. Forever. This means no Ebay! No paying for other things from sites that accept Paypal, either!
3. Your funds will be frozen or seized altogether. They can and will keep your money. Don’t think they won’t. If they decide to give it back, it will be released to you after (I think) 180 days. That means they keep your money, interest-free, for 180 days.
4. Many guys that pressure models into accepting Paypal have already been banned from big box cam sites because they’re timewasters, scammers, or just degenerates.
5. YOU ARE GIVING AWAY YOUR PERSONAL INFORMATION TO THE CUSTOMER. Even if you have a merchant account. Your name and address is displayed to the customer.
6. Paypal always sides with the buyer. This means that even if you did a show exactly the way he requested, he can still rip you off and get his money back. Not only that, Paypal will be more likely to ban you if you have a lot of disputes.
7. Paypal reports to the IRS. Anything over $20,000 and 200 transactions per year is reported. You better be reporting your indy camming income, or you’ll get audited.
8. If someone rips you off, you’re screwed. Not only are you out your main payment processor, you’re out the money lost from the show. You have no one to help you ease the blow.
9. It’s damaging to other models. You may not care, but while you’re accepting Paypal, we are building loyal, trustworthy customers that will keep coming back to us. Paypal is the webcam equivalent of “wham-bam-thank-you-maam”.
10. Other models can even report you. It’s a cutthroat business. If you’re advertising that you accept Paypal, you’re risking that another girl could turn you in.

http://www.cammodeldirectory.com/why-pa ... am-models/

 

[sv89]

If it counts, the members that go to anon to make about stuff about a cam model or models to try to hurt her and get her regs to stop liking her are the most annoying.

But people can just as easily scam models with a stolen credit card as they can with paypal.

@ mutantdonut

Its not that hard to get around Paypal's no adult services, if you put a false invoice or say the payment is for something else and you don't have any links to paypal on your adult profiles. And paypal bans are also not 100% permenant, they only ban legal entities, that means if you get banned and you create an llc you can get a new paypal account under the llc same thing with google adsense. And if you use a postal box a person will not know your real location. Whats the big deal if paypal reports to the IRS so does banks and Myfreecams.

 

[MintyFlowers]

If it counts, the members that go to anon to make about stuff about a cam model or models to try to hurt her and get her regs to stop liking her are the most annoying.

But people can just as easily scam models with a stolen credit card as they can with paypal.

@ mutantdonut

Its not that hard to get around Paypal's no adult services, if you put a false invoice or say the payment is for something else and you don't have any links to paypal on your adult profiles. And paypal bans are also not 100% permenant, they only ban legal entities, that means if you get banned and you create an llc you can get a new paypal account under the llc same thing with google adsense. And if you use a postal box a person will not know your real location. Whats the big deal if paypal reports to the IRS so does banks and Myfreecams.

Are you serious right now? You literally didn't read anything anyone said.

 

[NoelleBright]

If it counts, the members that go to anon to make about stuff about a cam model or models to try to hurt her and get her regs to stop liking her are the most annoying.

But people can just as easily scam models with a stolen credit card as they can with paypal.

@ mutantdonut

Its not that hard to get around Paypal's no adult services, if you put a false invoice or say the payment is for something else and you don't have any links to paypal on your adult profiles. And paypal bans are also not 100% permenant, they only ban legal entities, that means if you get banned and you create an llc you can get a new paypal account under the llc same thing with google adsense. And if you use a postal box a person will not know your real location. Whats the big deal if paypal reports to the IRS so does banks and Myfreecams.

No, they can't.
I've had someone tip me with tokens they bought using a stolen credit card number back when Brazzer's user data was compromised. I got 1,700 tokens from that guy, and even though the charges got reversed on the card (it was a premium friend who actually had the account hacked into, once he got it back he told me the charges had been reversed) MFC did NOT take those tokens away from me at any point. MFC doesn't hit its models with any chargebacks that occur.

Stolen credit cards also aren't as easy to come by as it is for someone to send a quick complaint to Paypal and say they had been ripped off, and then get all of their money back.

 

[AllisonWilder]

If it counts, the members that go to anon to make about stuff about a cam model or models to try to hurt her and get her regs to stop liking her are the most annoying.

But people can just as easily scam models with a stolen credit card as they can with paypal.

@ mutantdonut

Its not that hard to get around Paypal's no adult services, if you put a false invoice or say the payment is for something else and you don't have any links to paypal on your adult profiles. And paypal bans are also not 100% permenant, they only ban legal entities, that means if you get banned and you create an llc you can get a new paypal account under the llc same thing with google adsense. And if you use a postal box a person will not know your real location. Whats the big deal if paypal reports to the IRS so does banks and Myfreecams.

Quoting because this is probably one of the most annoying things members do.

You can type until your fingers fall off about ways to get around PayPal's TOS, but that doesn't make any models want to accept PayPal anymore than they already did. In most cases, we *want* to be paid via the site we're working on. It helps boost our averages on other sites and camscores on MFC.

 

[Finebrush]

Anyway, I don't see the issue, you can pay with Ukash or Paysafecard if you really, really don't want to use a credit card. And yep, tokens is what makes camscore go up, so...

 

[JoleneBrody]

Not to mention MFC deserves the cut they take for the work they do. Without MFC and the site your tokens help pay for, you wouldn't have met that model in the first place.

 

[Finebrush]

It is waaay a generous cut, IMO.... :mrgreen:

But I agree, is successful for many models, so, don't fix it if ain't broken. Still, is a huge cut... When I have seen places to upload my 3D models, or 2d designs, etc, and they charge like 30% to 60%, depending on how famous the site is, yep, I know, you pay for a traffic and exposure you wouldn't get, not even knowing well your stuff in SEO matters, as people will go to the authority site, the well known by everybody, etc. But I always think the same: Is too much. They are making an amazing business out of this. And ok, in the case of a cam site, there's more reason behind it: the video streaming surely eats loads of bandwidth, still, not sure how is that handled, as MFC doesn't store anything, (is not a Youtube) is the model's home or studio who is broadcasting, and the member receiving it... But I have no clue there. Even so, in bandwidth usage, download highend poster resolution photographs or bloated zips (like the stock art places do, or where you sell your shows videos, that clip 4 sale site) surely eats a lot of bandwith, too.

I think all these places could do very well with getting a 30% instead of that huge 50. Several portals of other business do apply these huge percentages, while it's fully other people's (artists, etc) work... But is the only option for a model.

 

[KristinaReapsMe]

If it counts, the members that go to anon to make about stuff about a cam model or models to try to hurt her and get her regs to stop liking her are the most annoying.

But people can just as easily scam models with a stolen credit card as they can with paypal.

@ mutantdonut

Its not that hard to get around Paypal's no adult services, if you put a false invoice or say the payment is for something else and you don't have any links to paypal on your adult profiles. And paypal bans are also not 100% permenant, they only ban legal entities, that means if you get banned and you create an llc you can get a new paypal account under the llc same thing with google adsense. And if you use a postal box a person will not know your real location. Whats the big deal if paypal reports to the IRS so does banks and Myfreecams.

I'm not as eloquent as any of these other people, I'm as blunt as a spoon so I'm just going to say this:

Your constant attempts at trying to sing the praises of Paypal are not convincing anyone. No MFC model with proficient common sense(or ANY model, for that matter) will risk having her income revoked because some jackass(not necessarily saying it's YOU, but it's commonplace enough that people are aware of it) develops buyer's remorse and tries to reverse the charges. The cons of Paypal far outweigh the pros, so stop it. Just...stop. If you're an MFC regular, you know tokens make the cam world go 'round so your constant attempts to circumvent that is making you look like a jerk. I do believe there will be a polar vortex in Hell before a model actually takes you up on your "generous" Paypal offers. Now to my final point:

Either buy tokens or jog on. Some of us have work to do. :twocents-02cents:

 

[LilyEvans]

It is waaay a generous cut, IMO.... :mrgreen:

But I agree, is successful for many models, so, don't fix it if ain't broken. Still, is a huge cut... When I have seen places to upload my 3D models, or 2d designs, etc, and they charge like 30% to 60%, depending on how famous the site is, yep, I know, you pay for a traffic and exposure you wouldn't get, not even knowing well your stuff in SEO matters, as people will go to the authority site, the well known by everybody, etc. But I always think the same: Is too much. They are making an amazing business out of this. And ok, in the case of a cam site, there's more reason behind it: the video streaming surely eats loads of bandwidth, still, not sure how is that handled, as MFC doesn't store anything, (is not a Youtube) is the model's home or studio who is broadcasting, and the member receiving it... But I have no clue there. Even so, in bandwidth usage, download highend poster resolution photographs or bloated zips (like the stock art places do, or where you sell your shows videos, that clip 4 sale site) surely eats a lot of bandwith, too.

I think all these places could do very well with getting a 30% instead of that huge 50. Several portals of other business do apply these huge percentages, while it's fully other people's (artists, etc) work... But is the only option for a model.

Well, keep in mind that MFC does need to produce a profit, not just break even. There's nothing wrong at all with them making money. They work at it like anyone else.

They deserve the cut they take because they provide things models would otherwise have to pay for themselves, which would cut down the number of models able to cam at all significantly. MFC's "cut" pays for...

* Advertising. The most advertising I have to do is on Twitter, but even if I didn't I would still get traffic. Which leads me to...
* Traffic! Because of their advertising thousands of people pour into the site every day. These people would never know where to find LilyEvansHasTits.com, especially if I couldn't afford to advertise it, but MFC is super easy to get to.
* A website! I don't have to code a darn thing if I don't want to. Boom, I have a profile without lifting a finger. Of course I am able to edit the profile as I like but if I didn't have any know-how at all it wouldn't really matter. With the website comes...
* Picture hosting. I can upload galleries full of photos, and then password protect them (or not.) Along with this, they DO in fact store private videos as well.
* Bandwidth. Even if I was able to afford my own domain, advertising, and all that, it's unlikely I'd be able to support any huge amount of traffic in addition to streaming live cams and all.
* Legal support. When I find a video of myself on PornHub or RedTube or whatever I send MFC an email and they take care of it. More than that, they own the right to my likeness, so DMCAs come from MFC, not from [MyFirstName][MyLastName] which protects my privacy and safety.
* Credit Card processing. That crap can get expensive, not to mention complicated. Ain't nobody got time for that.
* Probably so much else that I cannot even begin to think of.

Basically what I am saying is that everyone has a choice. You'll be paying for all those services one way or another. For most models the best way to pay for them is to let MFC or SM or whomever take their cut before you even get the tokens. If you choose to decide that they don't deserve as much as they are taking or you could do better, that's totally fine-- by all means no one will stop you from setting up LilyEvansHasTits.com. :dontknow:

 

[JerryBoBerry]

by all means no one will stop you from setting up LilyEvansHasTits.com. :dontknow:

It's available too!

 

[Finebrush]

Actually, I find Paypal extremely useful, for other things. I pay hostings and domains with it, but also, for practically any other service or product that one sells, staying out of their no-go policy, I have found it to be incredibly useful and fast. Specially when well configured and all. I had my Paypal blocked once, as I made a mistake, and set badly a personal data of mine. It seems that changing it, somehow triggered their extreme heuristic system, and bang, the bank account could never ever be used again for that. Needed to make a new Paypal account, and link to a different bank account. The key thing with Paypal is, stay functioning in their terms, and... heck, retire always funds, even if it's just 20 $. I have it in a way it costs zero to me. So I have it most of the time with zero funds. For erotic sites, it is a no way. But... I don't see the danger of models going paypal massively. I have seen lots of them setting even in their topic "paypal accepted". But is a minority compared to the mass of models not using it. It's not worth for them, so it wont get anywhere.

And if you want the point of view of an user, those of us knowing how easily a Paypal account gets blocked when mixing it with erotic matters, wont risk it. It's too important. For some of us, to sell stuff. For others, to buy on amazon, ebay, hosting services, etc.

Well, keep in mind that MFC does need to produce a profit, not just break even. There's nothing wrong at all with them making money. They work at it like anyone else.

I agree with your points. But I know of sites that give even more expensive service and charge less %. But anyway, I agree, all seems fine.

I worked long years as web designer, SEO grunt, among several other things, and know one can cook himself almost all what you list, and you would get a larger cut, specially once you are more or less already known. But even so it would be a huge risk, I know.

Mostly, the fact that probably bandwidth would be one of the biggest issues. Although nothing that a dedicated server couldn't solve (it's still a machine in the hosting company, but is not a "shared" hosting), and is no that expensive per month (way way less than the 50% with the most modest models). The key point here to me is not all this. Is mostly a model rarely would have already the skills acquired to design a cross browser compatible well designed site, manage a server, do SEM/SEO (one of the things that brings you traffic), etc. Even those that can, then wouldn't have the time and energy to do actual camming and become these community managers (btw, is a job profile quite going up, lately) that I seem to realize is what a lot of them evolve to, actually...The legal part is nice, I didn't know they went that far. The credit part is one of the biggest issues, yep. Although there are a lot of merchant companies that make it really easy for any user. But I agree. The sum of it all is such a hassle. I would cook it myself, but certainly not with this kind of business. (I just know 30% will still be a lot of money . But its good so.)

In other activities, mounting your own thing is usually better (in the long run and trusting on luck! or having an special ability for making things viral ), if you plan on dedicating 50% of the time and effort on promotion. But I have learnt with the time that every activity has its clever approach. It did not work for example with flash games (you really needed to join forces with portals, big sites, etc. Your own promo could do little) And this world seems to be similar in that.

 

[ComicOzzie]

people who bitch about others tipping non nude models.

Why are you so mad about how other people spend their money?

I actually had a model ban me once for tipping a non-nude model. I was like WTF?

 

[KayleePond]

If it counts, the members that go to anon to make about stuff about a cam model or models to try to hurt her and get her regs to stop liking her are the most annoying.

But people can just as easily scam models with a stolen credit card as they can with paypal.

@ mutantdonut

Its not that hard to get around Paypal's no adult services, if you put a false invoice or say the payment is for something else and you don't have any links to paypal on your adult profiles. And paypal bans are also not 100% permenant, they only ban legal entities, that means if you get banned and you create an llc you can get a new paypal account under the llc same thing with google adsense. And if you use a postal box a person will not know your real location. Whats the big deal if paypal reports to the IRS so does banks and Myfreecams.

I'm not as eloquent as any of these other people, I'm as blunt as a spoon so I'm just going to say this:

Your constant attempts at trying to sing the praises of Paypal are not convincing anyone. No MFC model with proficient common sense(or ANY model, for that matter) will risk having her income revoked because some jackass(not necessarily saying it's YOU, but it's commonplace enough that people are aware of it) develops buyer's remorse and tries to reverse the charges. The cons of Paypal far outweigh the pros, so stop it. Just...stop. If you're an MFC regular, you know tokens make the cam world go 'round so your constant attempts to circumvent that is making you look like a jerk. I do believe there will be a polar vortex in Hell before a model actually takes you up on your "generous" Paypal offers. Now to my final point:

Either buy tokens or jog on. Some of us have work to do. :twocents-02cents:

I will add that it would be INCREDIBLY lame of you to continue to ask any model to accept Paypal, especially after this discussion. There are newer models who haven't done as much research and don't realize all of the issues with accepting Paypal for adult services. You may or may not scam them, but you might convince them to use that as a payment method and then they could continue to use it, end up losing lot of money and having their Paypal account shut down! I'm not saying that the model isn't responsible for his/her actions but to be completely honest I find any person who insists on Paypal rather despicable. It is one thing if they don't know the issues of Paypal for us, but most do and if they persist after I say "No" I am likely to never trust them or really engage them again. This isn't just playtime for me, this is my job and I take it very seriously and so do many other models.

 

[JoleneBrody]

Any member who argues that MFC doesn't deserve the cut they take because of how successful the site is now.
The cut has never changed since they started, the only things that HAS changed is their success... Fuck anyone who tells a successful business they no longer deserve it once they get rich.
That's what happens when you have an idea, kick ass at it and become hugely successful. YOU GET RICH! THAT'S THE FUCKING POINT! When you have a great ass idea that becomes hugely successful I'll expect you to constantly lower your prices to counteract the growth to ensure your income stays the same. :roll: That not counterproductive to the very basic rules of economics or nuthin...
SRSLY! Biggest fucking pet peeve ever. And MFC even takes a smaller cut than every other successful camsite.

MFC's cut, SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT IT AND BE GOD DAMNED GRATEFUL THEY EXIST!

 

[Greggory]

Any member who argues that MFC doesn't deserve the cut they take because of how successful the site is now.
The cut has never changed since they started, the only things that HAS changed is their success... Fuck anyone who tells a successful business they no longer deserve it once they get rich.
That's what happens when you have an idea, kick ass at it and become hugely successful. YOU GET RICH! THAT'S THE FUCKING POINT! When you have a great ass idea that becomes hugely successful I'll expect you to constantly lower your prices to counteract the growth to ensure your income stays the same. :roll: That not counterproductive to the very basic rules of economics or nuthin...
SRSLY! Biggest fucking pet peeve ever. And MFC even takes a smaller cut than every other successful camsite.

MFC's cut, SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT IT AND BE GOD DAMNED GRATEFUL THEY EXIST!

I think the best way to put this is in the numbers....and how MFC could make hardly anything for every token spent.
Assuming $0.08 per token
62.5% (0.05) goes to the model
Guessing 2% from the transaction (Credit card companies take a cut from every online transaction, and MFC uses a third party billing...so I wouldn't be surprised if it was more)
So their cut is 35.5% excluding any running expenses.

Just a guess at running expenses
1 hour of streaming is roughly 0.35GB (guess a guess based on visiting 1 model's room...any "HD" would increase the number)...that means if you have 1 model, 4 members and 5 guests/basics they are using roughly 3.5GB an hour (at amazon hosting rates, that would be 18 cents at least, or 60 cents at most). This doesn't include all the archives they need to keep...just by going off this estimate though they could be facing 7 to 21 tokens an hour break even for every 10 people watching (100 person room needs 70 to 210 tokens...guests and basics count towards a person). And also remember this scales across all models (even to those who pull in a lot less tokens)
Add in the cost of verifying models, support, admins and general IT folk to maintain the servers and the running costs can get quite high.
Also add in the cost of fraudulent charges (MFC eats the cost, which many sites wouldn't do) and a team of people to remove copyrighted works
Finally you have things such as advertising, BAF's, being at AVN, and Miss MFC (Miss MFC btw is $15350 a month in expense...for them to "break even" 540,492 tokens bought)

So with the amount that MFC offers, I am surprised they still manage to give Models such good percentage. While MFC might make quite a bit of money, I have to tip my hat to them for making a profit...as I would imagine that based on their user size they are making considerably less than most other companies would (give the same sized user base)

 

[mutantdonut]

If it counts, the members that go to anon to make about stuff about a cam model or models to try to hurt her and get her regs to stop liking her are the most annoying.

But people can just as easily scam models with a stolen credit card as they can with paypal.

@ mutantdonut

Its not that hard to get around Paypal's no adult services, if you put a false invoice or say the payment is for something else and you don't have any links to paypal on your adult profiles. And paypal bans are also not 100% permenant, they only ban legal entities, that means if you get banned and you create an llc you can get a new paypal account under the llc same thing with google adsense. And if you use a postal box a person will not know your real location. Whats the big deal if paypal reports to the IRS so does banks and Myfreecams.

At the end of the day, no matter what you'll say in attempt to convince otherwise.... You can't forcefeed something that's not even a requirement nor will you change anyone's mind on the matter. The people have spoken....

 

[Finebrush]

Not sure if the GB usage in their streaming applies exactly as you say... (I'm a web designer (css,html, js and some jquery), but almost no clue about backend, database, php, streaming, or deep server stuff) Because I think there's thousands of models, and many rooms do have often like 40 guys at a given moment, many rooms like that... Or think about the Lounge, and Lounge1000...super crowded... following those numbers, Lounges would be not only wasteful, but also not very clever, as is giving those users the extra chance of having the usual models' windows plus Lounge (more load added). Does not sound like the thing is so tight, then. I don't know what setup do they have, but to me one point is very clear: If they keep at it, is because it really worths it. I've read stuff about the founder, and is not someone likely to stay in a business not producing . Not criticizing the site, it's been a clever thing, and it is helping a lot of models.

The bandwidth thing, I don't know the internals, but most successful cam sites do have a lot of rooms running at same time (think of cam4, cams.com, livejasmin, streamate... Is not like MFC is the only one allowing thousands of simultaneous streams...). There must be good tech ready and available for all this. And surely server packages that allow it being an actual business model! . Dunno if it is that streaming in certain kind of billing is not charged like you say, there's some deals of huge amount of it per some flat bill, there's technical tricks to drastically minimize bandwidth usage, or other tricks. Because there are loads of sites attending that much streaming. :twocents-02cents: <--- Have a right for this, if being respectful! :mrgreen: :roll: :roll: :handgestures-salute:

 

[sv89]

You forgot to mention the costs of paying affiliates, they make ~ 8.9% of the money spent by people they refer.

MFC is most likely leasing/renting a servers with dedicated 1Gbps lines and not using a rip off service such as amazon. As for sending DMCA notices its actually very easy to do, 1 person can easily send 20,000 a week with minimal effort, there's a guys scamming webmasters at GFY with his service by claiming he needed so much money to operate when he was using a virtual office and other shady things to appear bigger. Once you get the DMCA template you can send alot of them and most of the time a filelocker will delete it since they are afraid of being shutdown like what happened to Kim's site 2 years ago.


I never said I had a problem with MFC making money, and I dont have a problem with them making money.

 

[CharlotteLace]

(Back on topic)

Any regular who points out the fact he's never spent a dime on me, AND also points out that he must be on my shit list for always asking for free flashes. Somehow this dude flew under my radar. Thanks for pointing it out, dude. Especially during a Gold Show countdown. Welcome to my ban list. Don't worry, you have plenty of company. :lol:

For the record, I don't care about silent freeloaders, or people who come into talk but don't ask for free stuff. But this dude? Yeah, fuck him. :-D

 

[Finebrush]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[sv89]

Members that keep insisting rating a model's profile and liking her increase the camscore.

 

[JoleneBrody]

Members that keep insisting rating a model's profile and liking her increase the camscore.

... this is like, the first rational thing you've said and now my emotions are confused! :crybaby:

 

[JerryBoBerry]

Members that keep insisting rating a model's profile and liking her increase the camscore.

... this is like, the first rational thing you've said and now my emotions are confused! :crybaby:

 

[mutantdonut]

Some more annoyances...

Members who ask questions when the answer is clearly written in the topic or if they take some time to read the damn model profile first

Members who make terrible assumptions on any particular model or incredibly bad generalizations on all models based on shallow face-value observations (i.e. "oh these girls are all golddiggers looking for money")

Anyone who comes on to ACF believing this is a 4-1-1 forum on who certain models are....
like these guys below....
https://www.ambercutie.com/forums/viewt ... 15&t=16206
https://www.ambercutie.com/forums/viewt ... 15&t=16176
https://www.ambercutie.com/forums/viewt ... 28&t=15944
https://www.ambercutie.com/forums/viewt ... 15&t=16295