ACF 2012 Presidential Election Poll

[Nordling]

It amazes me that any woman would want to vote for Romney considering his party's views on women's rights. (abortion, birth control, rape) Akin's party is NOT one I would like to be part of.

Perhaps you may be amazed...

Yeah, we're amazed. Do you have a point here?

 

[Bocefish]

It amazes me that any woman would want to vote for Romney considering his party's views on women's rights. (abortion, birth control, rape) Akin's party is NOT one I would like to be part of.

Perhaps you may be amazed...

Yeah, we're amazed. Do you have a point here?

:lol:

 

[Bocefish]

Contrary to what you're saying, Obama has never "bragged" about the death of Osama bin Laden. He did report it and it's been explained by others what role a President plays in such an operation. If you choose to ignore reality, that's your issue, no one else's.

It has been explained by others what a role a President plays in such an operation?

Really?

Care to let us in on these secretive others you know of?

Did these others also say it was a good idea to use it for political gain television advertisements?

 

[Nordling]

Contrary to what you're saying, Obama has never "bragged" about the death of Osama bin Laden. He did report it and it's been explained by others what role a President plays in such an operation. If you choose to ignore reality, that's your issue, no one else's.

It has been explained by others what a role a President plays in such an operation?

Really?

Care to let us in on these secretive others you know of?

Did these others also say it was a good idea to use it for political gain television advertisements?

God forbid that a candidate would actually run on his record. :roll:

 

[Bocefish]

Contrary to what you're saying, Obama has never "bragged" about the death of Osama bin Laden. He did report it and it's been explained by others what role a President plays in such an operation. If you choose to ignore reality, that's your issue, no one else's.

It has been explained by others what a role a President plays in such an operation?

Really?

Care to let us in on these secretive others you know of?

Did these others also say it was a good idea to use it for political gain television advertisements?

God forbid that a candidate would actually run on his record. :roll:

You kinda remind me of these voters...

 

[Nordling]

Contrary to what you're saying, Obama has never "bragged" about the death of Osama bin Laden. He did report it and it's been explained by others what role a President plays in such an operation. If you choose to ignore reality, that's your issue, no one else's.

It has been explained by others what a role a President plays in such an operation?

Really?

Care to let us in on these secretive others you know of?

Did these others also say it was a good idea to use it for political gain television advertisements?

God forbid that a candidate would actually run on his record. :roll:

You kinda remind me of these voters...

You kinda remind me of someone who makes decisions based on Howard Stern. :roll:

 

[MrRodry]

Contrary to what you're saying, Obama has never "bragged" about the death of Osama bin Laden. He did report it and it's been explained by others what role a President plays in such an operation. If you choose to ignore reality, that's your issue, no one else's.

It has been explained by others what a role a President plays in such an operation?

Really?

Care to let us in on these secretive others you know of?

Did these others also say it was a good idea to use it for political gain television advertisements?

God forbid that a candidate would actually run on his record. :roll:

You kinda remind me of these voters...

You kinda remind me of someone who makes decisions based on Howard Stern. :roll:

:lol: Not only on that but on the faceless street interview used to support a comedy radio argument. Some people will vote on Obama just because he is black, unaware or taking no consideration on his VP and party projects and plans? Yes, they will. The same way, some people will vote on Romney just because he is white. I don't think that is stupid because, on a real democracy, people should be able to do whatever they want to do with their voting options.

 

[bob]

Some people will vote on Obama just because he is black, unaware or taking no consideration on his VP and party projects and plans? Yes, they will. The same way, some people will vote on Romney just because he is white. I don't think that is stupid because, on a real democracy, people should be able to do whatever they want to do with their voting options.

except not use them
:naughty:

other than that, you're absolutely right....but for a democracy (or a republic) to work...citizens must take its reins: the beauty and danger of voting is that it institutionalizes the idea of revolution....we should always be critical of those who govern, even if we voted for them.

but that demands a level of interest that suggests voting "just because the dude/dudette is....whatever" is a cop out, a virus bred in the complacency and/or ignorance of self righteousness, that infects the thought and consideration demanded by the truth of voting by abdicating the risk and the responsibility of choice.

end of rant :lol:

 

[JickyJuly]

I wish Bernie Sanders would run for President.

 

[Nordling]

I wish Bernie Sanders would run for President.

Wish he was younger and would. I listen to Bernie every Friday on Thom Hartmann's show. Love the guy.

 

[LailaBaise]

I wish Paulie Walnuts would run for President.

FIFY

 

[Paulie Walnuts]

I'm not nuts enough to take the job.

Unless I can make lying on public airwaves a federal crime. That would be a really good 1st day in office.

I'd insist on Fluffy being the First Lady. You can start a nationwide education movement... "Just swallow it".
:lol:

America will never be the same.

 

[Paulie Walnuts]

Wait you didn't really just use Howard Stern to try and prop up your political argument....
:?

 

[LailaBaise]

omgomgomgomg was that a proposal of marriage Mr Walnuts? omgomgomomg :lol:


Pm for my father's phone number.

 

[Paulie Walnuts]

Yer dad is gonna love me.

 

[DoctorVen]

Selecting the lesser of evils ...

:lol: :-D

 

[Shaun__]

Selecting the lesser of evils ...
:lol: :-D

I know who I am voting for.

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[MrRodry]

No limbs, no evil.

 

[schlmoe]

This is entirely anonymous unless you want to come out and state your reasons...

Let's keep it civil please.

Calling people who vote for a candidate you don't support "idiots", "know-it all asshole" and suggesting physical harm doesn't seem very civil. Just sayin.

ETA: some more uncivilized stuffs

When this thread started, I had a few names in mind that I thought would resort to some of those things. I wasn't wrong.

 

[morment]

If Obama had an ounce of real leadership instead of endless excuses and trying to look cool on camera while kissing everyone's ass for a vote, he might get something accomplished other than his basketball spread sheets, games, golf, vacations, TV talk shows, beer brewing and who knows what else he does besides what he was elected for.

At this point in his presidency Obama's taken less than 70 vacation days, Bush at the same point had taken over 100.
http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-18563_162-20093801.html
It's a bit outdated, but it's the newest article I could find in the brief search I did.

The economy and jobs are two of the most important issues this election and Obama's track record sucks. I've stated all of my major opinions on the upcoming election and look forward to the presidential and the VP debates. May the best candidate win. :thumbleft: :handgestures-salute:

When Obama took office the US was losing 750,000 jobs a month and in July of this year gained 163,000. Since Obama has took office there has been over 4.5 MILLION jobs added to the economy, there's been 29 straight months of private sector job growth. How is that a failure?

What kind of assholes that never served a day in the military use the killing of Bin Laden for political gain advertisements? Here's a hint... their initials are Obama and Clinton.

Obama gave the order, I don't think anyone's trying to say that he's solely responsible for it except for some on the Right that are saying it as a huge negative. Here's what Bush had to say about Bin Laden back in 2002:



And in case it's not completely clear from that I'm voting for Obama.

 

[JickyJuly]

If Obama had an ounce of real leadership instead of endless excuses and trying to look cool on camera while kissing everyone's ass for a vote, he might get something accomplished other than his basketball spread sheets, games, golf, vacations, TV talk shows, beer brewing and who knows what else he does besides what he was elected for.

At this point in his presidency Obama's taken less than 70 vacation days, Bush at the same point had taken over 100.

Who the heck gets 7-10 weeks of vacation per year? That is absurd. They should all get whatever the national average is and not a day more. Prissy bastards.

 

[Nordling]

If Obama had an ounce of real leadership instead of endless excuses and trying to look cool on camera while kissing everyone's ass for a vote, he might get something accomplished other than his basketball spread sheets, games, golf, vacations, TV talk shows, beer brewing and who knows what else he does besides what he was elected for.

At this point in his presidency Obama's taken less than 70 vacation days, Bush at the same point had taken over 100.

Who the heck gets 7-10 weeks of vacation per year? That is absurd. They should all get whatever the national average is and not a day more. Prissy bastards.

:lol: Agree, but in many cases, part of those huge numbers of days off include "working vacations." Meeting dignitaries at Camp David, coming up with strategies in a pleasant environment, e.g. The POTUS is one of the most stressful jobs in the world--notice how in a mere four years, most Presidents who start with no gray hair, suddenly have a ton. Most of the complaints are simply politics--the opposition looking for anything to complain about.

 

[Shaun__]

If Obama had an ounce of real leadership instead of endless excuses and trying to look cool on camera while kissing everyone's ass for a vote, he might get something accomplished other than his basketball spread sheets, games, golf, vacations, TV talk shows, beer brewing and who knows what else he does besides what he was elected for.

At this point in his presidency Obama's taken less than 70 vacation days, Bush at the same point had taken over 100.

Who the heck gets 7-10 weeks of vacation per year? That is absurd. They should all get whatever the national average is and not a day more. Prissy bastards.

I look at it this way. If I like the president then he needs time off for a job well done, and if I dislike the president at least he stopped screwing new things up for a few days.

 

[Nordling]

After 1,000 days in office...some comparisons.

Of course it's all pretty meaningless, since we don't know exactly what each President was doing while on "vacation."

 

[AllisonWilder]

I'm certain that Mitt Romney isn't the right guy for the job but I'm not certain that Obama is either. I know there are other people on the ballot, but it feels like I'd just be wasting my vote. I don't want to vote for 'the lesser of two evils'. Is it so wrong to want no evil?

I've seen so many 'Obama isn't the right guy for the job' posts, but for those of you supporting Romney, I ask you why? What's better about him?

 

[Nordling]

No matter who you vote for, you'll not like everything they are for or what they do while in office. But there's no way I can refer to the current President as "evil." There may be many things we all think we'd do differently, but we don't have the information he does when he made all those decisions. What I DO see is a very likeable family man with a beautiful wife, two beautiful daughters, and a man who OBVIOUSLY cares about all Americans--and that in itself is what sometimes makes it hard for us to choose him...we want him to think ONLY of us, not all those other guys. I know, I know...many of you will say, "no no! I don't look at it like that!" And that may be true, but when we distill all the information, isn't that at least a component?

The other side, though they may not be "evil" themselves, in the sense of signing a pact with Old Scratch, from what I've seen, they only care about one segment of the population, and it sure ain't us.

 

[camstory]

Wait you didn't really just use Howard Stern to try and prop up your political argument....
:?

Why not, he used Fox News earlier.

 

[camstory]

Four more years of Obama's lack of leadership is NOT what we need. He's proven how desperately low he will stoop for votes with his ads of trying to brag about Bin Laden's demise

Not so much defending Obama, but more puzzled than anything. We did catch up to dumb dead bin well into the rain of Obama, did we not? I am sure that other than saying, "yea, lets do it" he had very little to do with it, but you don't suggest he not at least bat it up in the air once or twice so everyone can see it. I'm all for humility, but humble, presidential candidates aren't. Its not the nature of the beast, there never has been one, and never will be one, who wouldn't wave it around, more or less, and the smart $'s on more.

You Know I am not politically, or otherwise educated enough to keep up with the rest of you on this. I realized that after making my first post here, (this thread), and promised myself I would not try to post above my head from now on, and instead post from my strength, - My honesty, and willingness to allow that almost anything I believe may be wrong, or if not wrong, in need of adjustment. I have quoted myself obviously BC I am pathetic, and desperate for attention, oh, and, BC it is the tiny part of my earlier post that worked.

What kind of assholes that never served a day in the military use the killing of Bin Laden for political gain advertisements? Here's a hint... their initials are Obama and Clinton.

I served an enlistment in our U.S. Navy, and am very proud of that. Less than 2 months after I reached my command, we encounter 3 small craft adrift in the South China Sea. It was about 125 NM off the coast of Vietnam, and being part of Deck Division I helped bring aboard 72 Vietnamese refugees, 71 of which lived, even though they were all badly dehydrated having been adrift for 23 days. The reason I mention all that, (other than the attention), is BC, even tho I know something as clear as this would be clear had I never spent a day in the service, it seems to make some difference to you. Well I'm telling you as a Vet, there ain't a fraction of a chance that Romney, or anyone else in Obama's place would not use the killing of Bin Laden for political gain. What's more is I'll tell you the exact same thing as someone who doesn't have his head very far up his ass, BC anyone who believes a presidential candidate would not use this, would IMO be in such a condition.

 

[Bocefish]

I served an enlistment in our U.S. Navy, and am very proud of that. Less than 2 months after I reached my command, we encounter 3 small craft adrift in the South China Sea. It was about 125 NM off the coast of Vietnam, and being part of Deck Division I helped bring aboard 72 Vietnamese refugees, 71 of which lived, even though they were all badly dehydrated having been adrift for 23 days. The reason I mention all that, (other than the attention), is BC, even tho I know something as clear as this would be clear had I never spent a day in the service, it seems to make some difference to you.

You mention that because you know something as clear as that would be clear had you never spent a day in the service, so it somehow makes a difference to me? Do you ever read the drivel you write? Are we supposed be impressed you followed orders, did your job and helped starving refugees adrift for 23 days rather than let them die? Good Job!

Well I'm telling you as a Vet, there ain't a fraction of a chance that Romney, or anyone else in Obama's place would not use the killing of Bin Laden for political gain. What's more is I'll tell you the exact same thing as someone who doesn't have his head very far up his ass, BC anyone who believes a presidential candidate would not use this, would IMO be in such a condition.

“Navy SEAL’s, Special Operations Personnel and Veteran’s across America have been outraged since Barack Obama conveniently took credit for killing Osama Bin Laden for political gain,” a statement announcing the loss of SOFA said. “The active duty military has no voice as they are forbidden to publicly engage in the political campaign process and it is career suicide for senior military leaders to speak out against the President.”

But since you're bragging about being a veteran, you supposedly know better than the rest of us and I'm the one with his head up his ass? :lol:

Real leaders don't take credit for the accomplishments of their men and and women in the field, much less Nationally brag about for political gain. The people in the field are the ones who risk their lives to complete the mission and 100% deserve the credit. Heroes don't brag, period. Think about that for a minute.

Consider again Bill Clinton’s words, “Suppose (the SEALs had) been captured or killed. The downside would have been horrible for (the President).” Actually, it would have been a wee bit more horrible for the spec op teams in the field. Presumably, what Clinton meant is that Obama’s re-election would have been imperiled if he’d made the wrong call. It's blatantly obvious Obama's political hunger far outweighs his ability to be a good CIC. Even the press calls the ad despicable, but of course, camstory knows more than all the rest of us.

 

[Mirra]

Alright, Bocefish. First you rebuke Obama for taking some credit for Bin Laden without having served in the military then you mock camstory for his service and belittle him (who admittedly rambles in many of his posts) for a less-than-clear statement. That's just brilliant. You also criticize Obama for his negative campaign. Newsflash: They're both running negative campaigns. I challenge anyone to name a Presidential candidate who has received at least 25% of the vote in the election and ran even a mostly positive campaign.

Seriously, dude, you're the most hostile person in this thread that you started by saying keep it civil. Calm down. We can disagree without mocking one another.

As for all of you mocking him for his sources, keep in mind he feels the same way about the sources you cite in support of Obama. We can all disagree and state quite simply that we question the credibility of source x or source y. Statements of "Did you really?" are the same kind of the same breed as those you've accused him of making.

I had hope for Romney at one point. Since then, he has defeated Newt and adopted most of Newts policies without quite so much ranting. I cannot support that. I am once again voting Obama. I have some beef with him but I don't feel he's hurting the country the way Dubya did and the way Romney and his current set of policies would.