ACF 2012 Presidential Election Poll

[Mirra]

What if that unborn child of rape would have found the cure for cancer, but the pregnancy was aborted?

"I steal from children but one of them one day might use the injustuice as inspiration for starting a charity or something that will help people"

I like this one but why stop there? They could become a crime fighting super hero! I mean it doesn't seem we're terribly concerned with the likeliness of a scenario using the logic in this argument.

 

[schlmoe]

What does he mean by "passport information"?

Does he want to know everywhere Obama has traveled during his presidency, everywhere Obama has traveled during his life, or is this about where his passport was issued, what he is listed as being, and what his personal information (like birthday and such) is?

I can understanding wanting to know what the President has done with his time while he is President, but as to the rest of what it might show, why is that even relevant?

His passport info would answer a lot of questions about his dual-citizenships along with some other discrepancies about timelines and his Pakistan travel dates. There's a few theories floating around about that. I also suspect his school transcripts and written papers may show some anti-America or other radical type stuff along with a less than stellar GPA.

If there's nothing to hide, why are they sealed?

The question that needs to be asked...snipped for brevity

http://www.wnd.com/2012/08/why-did-obam ... anscripts/

It boggles my mind (although it shouldn't) why the question exists. So now the microscope is on things (travels, etc) that occurred when Obama was a child? Things that he had little control over? Going on to speculation on his grades in college, and maybe how his parents massaged the system to get him a scholarship. MAYBE? Unless he lied and cheated his way through several colleges, and fraudulently obtained more than one college degree...does any of this really matter? The correct answer is...no. Were his parents "scam artists"? Who knows. Now that's Obama's fault? Get real.

I don't know about you, but I'm more concerned on what he's doing lately...and NOW. It may be valid to question his activities, jobs, etc. from the time he entered adulthood, or from the time he entered public life. And if we're going to do that, where are Romney's entire tax returns? I also think questions about Romney's behavior at Bain are more valid than questions concerning the President on activities that occurred from ages 2-20.

People complain that we can't get good candidates. This is a major reason why we can't. No humans are perfect from birth onward.

 

[MrRodry]

:lol: By the way, Stephan Colbert has trumped Trumps offer... He's offering Donald Trump one million dollars (from Colbert's Pac) if Trump will let Stephan dip his balls into Trump's mouth. He figures this would make everyone happy to see something go into Trumps mouth instead of coming out for a change.

from: http://sandandglass.tumblr.com/post/34290101854

Interesting, I believe there is some balls in Trump's court now.

:lol:

 

[Bocefish]

@Schlmoe... all those documents boil down to citizenship discrepancy questions from what I understand. Again, if there's nothing to hide, $5 million is on the table for charity.

As far as Mourdock and the rape into baby issue. Isn't there a morning after pill that would nullify all this even being an issue? His religion is based on saving the life of an innocent baby that had nothing to with the crime, consent or anything else, right? Obama is the one reducing women down to voting with their lady bits or whatever his slogan is.

 

[schlmoe]

@Schlmoe... all those documents boil down to citizenship discrepancy questions from what I understand. Again, if there's nothing to hide, $5 million is on the table for charity.

The only people who have "citizenship discrepancy questions" are the 'birthers". For myself and millions of others, the birther controversy has been successfully debunked. Maybe I'm just dense, but Obama was born in the US to a US citizen. He is a "natural born" citizen of the US. End of story. If his parents made some puzzling or conflicting entries on a grade school application, OR advised him to claim a "more favored" status on a scholarship application, I do not see this as an issue. One more time: why are we questioning activities that may have occurred when he was a child/juvenile?

I am not sure how this is a "citizenship discrepancy question". Unless Obama repudiated his US citizenship, he's a citizen. And how could a minor accomplish that? Total non issue for millions of people in the US. But go ahead and beat a dead horse in the ground

As far as Mourdock and the rape into baby issue. Isn't there a morning after pill that would nullify all this even being an issue? His religion is based on saving the life of an innocent baby that had nothing to with the crime, consent or anything else, right? Obama is the one reducing women down to voting with their lady bits or whatever his slogan is.

I hate to even dignify this with a response, but you are really showing your ignorance of your or your buddy's viewpoints. Most pro-life advocate considers the morning after pill as an abortifacient.

Not going to quote that garbage here, but feel free to read at your convenience: http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_emer2.htm

 

[Bocefish]

As far as Mourdock and the rape into baby issue. Isn't there a morning after pill that would nullify all this even being an issue? His religion is based on saving the life of an innocent baby that had nothing to with the crime, consent or anything else, right? Obama is the one reducing women down to voting with their lady bits or whatever his slogan is.

I hate to even dignify this with a response, but you are really showing your ignorance of your or your buddy's viewpoints. Most pro-life advocate considers the morning after pill as an abortifacient.

Not going to quote that garbage here, but feel free to read at your convenience: http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_emer2.htm

My point was that it doesn't matter wtf Mourdock thinks about rape because the morning after pill is available and always will be. How is that an ignorant viewpoint?

 

[Bocefish]

@Schlmoe... all those documents boil down to citizenship discrepancy questions from what I understand. Again, if there's nothing to hide, $5 million is on the table for charity.

The only people who have "citizenship discrepancy questions" are the 'birthers". For myself and millions of others, the birther controversy has been successfully debunked. Maybe I'm just dense, but Obama was born in the US to a US citizen. He is a "natural born" citizen of the US. End of story. If his parents made some puzzling or conflicting entries on a grade school application, OR advised him to claim a "more favored" status on a scholarship application, I do not see this as an issue. One more time: why are we questioning activities that may have occurred when he was a child/juvenile?

I am not sure how this is a "citizenship discrepancy question". Unless Obama repudiated his US citizenship, he's a citizen. And how could a minor accomplish that? Total non issue for millions of people in the US. But go ahead and beat a dead horse in the ground

Again, if there's nothing to hide, then there should be no problems producing the documents for charity's benefit.

 

[mynameisbob84]

@Schlmoe... all those documents boil down to citizenship discrepancy questions from what I understand. Again, if there's nothing to hide, $5 million is on the table for charity.

The only people who have "citizenship discrepancy questions" are the 'birthers". For myself and millions of others, the birther controversy has been successfully debunked. Maybe I'm just dense, but Obama was born in the US to a US citizen. He is a "natural born" citizen of the US. End of story. If his parents made some puzzling or conflicting entries on a grade school application, OR advised him to claim a "more favored" status on a scholarship application, I do not see this as an issue. One more time: why are we questioning activities that may have occurred when he was a child/juvenile?

I am not sure how this is a "citizenship discrepancy question". Unless Obama repudiated his US citizenship, he's a citizen. And how could a minor accomplish that? Total non issue for millions of people in the US. But go ahead and beat a dead horse in the ground

Again, if there's nothing to hide, then there should be no problems producing the documents for charity's benefit.

It's more about the principle. You wouldn't walk up to a stranger on the street and demand to see their latest phone bill. "If you've got nothing to hide it should be no problem" probably wouldn't wash there and it shouldn't wash here.

 

[tubby556]

Seriously, dood. What the poop? By that logic you can justify anything.

Shows how the pro life side of things can be just as ridiculous as the pro choice side of things when they try to justify their choices. That was my point. I don't give a shit what a pregnant woman does with her pregnancy. That's her business, not mine, not yours, and certainly not the governments.

 

[AllisonWilder]

Yeah, give the choice to the host...the potential mother.

Yes I agree. Either choice should be made by the woman and without public funds. If my personal choices in life were paid for by taxpayers, I'd like a 54 room mansion with a redheaded midget to suck me off when I brush my teeth in the morning and a Real Doll made based on AmberCutie's body for me to violate the rest of the day.

This is the stupidest thing I've ever read. Essentially what you're saying is that if I get raped, then the financial burden should be on me to carry to term and if I don't like that idea well then I can abort, but I can't ask for public assistance with something I didn't ask to be done to me in the first place?



Also, as far as the morning-after pill, sure it will still be available but without Planned Parenthood being funded there will be a lot of women that just don't have access to it because it's ridiculously expensive.

 

[Bocefish]

It's more about the principle. You wouldn't walk up to a stranger on the street and demand to see their latest phone bill. "If you've got nothing to hide it should be no problem" probably wouldn't wash there and it shouldn't wash here.

People who run for public office are not the same as a stranger on the street. For someone who has bragged about transparency, he sure likes to hide a lot of his past.

 

[tubby556]

Sorry, but trying to compare a rape victim to your little jizzball fantasy is stupid.

It was not a comparison between those. It was a comparison between taxpayer funding based on choices.

And a woman being raped/impregnated (which now forces her to make a difficult decision) isn't her personal choice. :roll:

Of course it's not her choice to get raped. I never said it was her choice to get raped. The choice is about her getting an abortion or giving birth to the child. That is the choice she must make. Either choice should be on her dime, not on the taxpayer. It's her choice and her decision, not the taxpayers' decision. Just because something happens to someone doesn't mean the taxpayers should foot the bill for the victim. Should taxpayers start paying for funerals of murder victims?

You come across as an insensitive little prick. I don't know why I bother reading any of your posts anymore.....

I don't use emotion when making decisions.

 

[AllisonWilder]

Sorry, but trying to compare a rape victim to your little jizzball fantasy is stupid.

It was not a comparison between those. It was a comparison between taxpayer funding based on choices.

And a woman being raped/impregnated (which now forces her to make a difficult decision) isn't her personal choice. :roll:

Of course it's not her choice to get raped. I never said it was her choice to get raped. The choice is about her getting an abortion or giving birth to the child. That is the choice she must make. Either choice should be on her dime, not on the taxpayer. It's her choice and her decision, not the taxpayers' decision. Just because something happens to someone doesn't mean the taxpayers should foot the bill for the victim. Should taxpayers start paying for funerals of murder victims?

You come across as an insensitive little prick. I don't know why I bother reading any of your posts anymore.....

I don't use emotion when making decisions.

Taxpayers foot the bill for rape kits done in the ER. By your logic, that should stop, too, right? :roll:

 

[Bocefish]

Also, as far as the morning-after pill, sure it will still be available but without Planned Parenthood being funded there will be a lot of women that just don't have access to it because it's ridiculously expensive.

I have no idea how expensive it is, but apparently they hand them out like candy to whoever wants one in some New York high schools.

ETA; Just looked it up.

How Much Does the Morning-After Pill (Emergency Contraception) Cost?
The cost of emergency contraception varies a great deal. It may cost anywhere from $10 to $70. If you are not 17 and need a prescription, the health center visit may cost up to $250, depending on where you live.

Family planning clinics usually charge less than private health care providers and drugstores.

 

[tubby556]

This is the stupidest thing I've ever read. Essentially what you're saying is that if I get raped, then the financial burden should be on me to carry to term and if I don't like that idea well then I can abort, but I can't ask for public assistance with something I didn't ask to be done to me in the first place?

Explain to me why taxpayers should pay for someone else's personal medical choice. There's a lot of shit that happened to me that I never asked to be done to me and I still don't think taxpayers should have to pay for any of it. The issue is being clouded by the crime of rape. The issue is public funds for elective personal medical procedures.

Also, as far as the morning-after pill, sure it will still be available but without Planned Parenthood being funded there will be a lot of women that just don't have access to it because it's ridiculously expensive.

Supply and demand.

 

[tubby556]

Taxpayers foot the bill for rape kits done in the ER. By your logic, that should stop, too, right? :roll:

The rape kits in my area aren't taxpayer funded.

 

[AmberCutie]

Sorry, but trying to compare a rape victim to your little jizzball fantasy is stupid.

It was not a comparison between those. It was a comparison between taxpayer funding based on choices.

And a woman being raped/impregnated (which now forces her to make a difficult decision) isn't her personal choice. :roll:

Of course it's not her choice to get raped. I never said it was her choice to get raped. The choice is about her getting an abortion or giving birth to the child. That is the choice she must make. Either choice should be on her dime, not on the taxpayer. It's her choice and her decision, not the taxpayers' decision. Just because something happens to someone doesn't mean the taxpayers should foot the bill for the victim. Should taxpayers start paying for funerals of murder victims?

You come across as an insensitive little prick. I don't know why I bother reading any of your posts anymore.....

I don't use emotion when making decisions.

I can't believe we got along once upon a time ago.

 

[tubby556]

I can't believe we got along once upon a time ago.

Perceptions of people change when politics are discussed. Doesn't mean anything to you, but I still adore you. :hello2:

 

[Anonymous]

The choice is about her getting an abortion or giving birth to the child. That is the choice she must make.

Guess what? She wouldn't have to make that choice if some asshole hadn't raped her in the first place.....

 

[mynameisbob84]

I can't believe we got along once upon a time ago.

Perceptions of people change when politics are discussed. Doesn't mean anything to you, but I still adore you. :hello2:

Surely empathy should transcend political leanings.

And you say it shouldn't fall to the taxpayer to pay for this stuff. But what does mean for the taxpayer in real terms? How much of your paycheque is actually going to be helping women who have had the misfortune of being raped? Fractions of a cent?

 

[AmberCutie]

I can't believe we got along once upon a time ago.

Perceptions of people change when politics are discussed. Doesn't mean anything to you, but I still adore you. :hello2:

Some of your posts sound a lot more like personal gripes than politics, and a lot of it is reprehensible. I haven't noted an ounce of human compassion or empathy in any of your words since you've returned to this forum.

Hell, I don't agree with a lot of what Bocefish has posted in this thread, but the way he has posted hasn't made me feel as ill as your posts to the point where I don't want to associate with him anymore.

Your Social Darwinist comments have almost made me sick to my stomach.

 

[Nordling]

For a lot of people in this country, the idea that being selfish, thoughtless and totally lacking in empathy is a virtue is commonplace. One source of this "ideology" of hate is one person: Ayn Rand. For those who haven't read her shitty, overly long novels, here's an abridged version of her masterpiece:

ATLAS SHRUGGED: THE ABRIDGED VERSION (with spoilers)

AYN RAND Hello, I'm Ayn Rand. I wrote a novel based on my Objectivist philosophy called The Fountainhead, but I don't think 700 pages was quite enough to get my point across, so I will write the exact same novel, only it will take 1100 pages this time.

READERS Hey, great.

HEROINE I'm Dagny Taggart. I am a railroad tycoon, woman-in-a-man’s-world, stunningly beautiful heroine. I am the only person capable of running this railroad. I am the only woman in the universe worth a damn. I am also the only woman in the universe with a real job. I am basically the only woman in this novel.

LOVE INTEREST #1 I have worshiped you, the only woman in the universe worth a damn, from afar for my whole life.

HEROINE That's nice.

LOVE INTEREST #2 I have worshiped you, the only woman in the universe worth a damn, naked on the forest floor. Yet I will nobly step aside in the name of noble idealism, despite the fact that I love you and want you, the only woman in the universe worth a damn, desperately.

HEROINE Okay.

LOVE INTEREST #3 I worship you, the only woman in the universe worth a damn. Let us have creepy rape fantasy sex now. I will not ask permission to do all these kinky things to you, but luckily you want to be forced into all the kinky things, you dirty biatch.

HEROINE This is clearly true love! Stick it in me.

ALL Who is John Galt?

AYN RAND I am not telling. Instead, please listen to someone pontificate about my Objectivist philosophy for a while.

SOMEONE [Pontificates]

VILLAINS There are many of us, but we are all exactly the same. We are caricatures of evil socialists and embodiments of pure evil. Let us create a perfect socialist world order ruled by the inept! We all suck! Socialism sucks! Ha ha!

HEROES We are all exactly the same. We are noble and perfect and have very angular and insolent faces. We can read each other's minds and the minds of everyone else in this novel, leaving less room for misunderstanding and more room for pontificating. And we are all in love with Dagny Taggart, the only woman in the universe worth a damn.

ALL Who is John Galt?

VILLAIN [Threatens hero.]

HERO [Flips coin] If it's heads, I will gaze apathetically. If it's tails, I will laugh heartily.

VILLAIN Although these are the only two things any of you heroes have done for the past 800 pages, I am shocked at this response! How could you! How dare you!?!

HERO I will now pontificate about Ayn Rand's philosophy. It has been at least 50 pages since you've heard it.

AYN RAND It is so convenient that all of my heroes are in perfect agreement about my philosophy so that their pontificating is so interchangeable.

ALL Who is John Galt?

JOHN GALT Hello. In this, the culmination of all the pontificating, I will explain Ayn Rand's philosophy for a full 57 pages. No, I am not kidding. This one monologue will last for 57 pages. Oh and also, I love Dagny.

DAGNY I love you too. Man, this is really going to suck for Love Interest #3.

LOVE INTEREST #3 Despite my passionate love for you and enjoyment of our rape sex, and the fact that there is no other woman on earth worth a damn, and the fact that I sacrificed my life's passion on your behalf, and that I spent my entire fortune to get a divorce to be with you, I will now nobly step aside in the name of noble idealism.

DAGNY Great! I will miss our creepy rape sex. Farewell.

LOVE INTEREST #3 Bye.

READER Wait, what?

ATLAS [Shrugs] THE END

 

[tubby556]

The choice is about her getting an abortion or giving birth to the child. That is the choice she must make.

Guess what? She wouldn't have to make that choice if some asshole hadn't raped her in the first place.....

Of course. Now that the situation changed, she has a choice to make while law enforcement does their job.

I wish I could prevent all rapes, murders, assaults, etc but that isn't reality.

 

[Anonymous]

It was not a comparison between those. It was a comparison between taxpayer funding based on choices.

Given the seriousness of rape, your comparison remark was disgusting and inappropriate.

 

[JickyJuly]

... reducing women down to voting with their lady bits or whatever his slogan is.

This is actually a great point out, imo. Both sides discuss their opinions of women's health in such a way as to bully women into having to vote with their health in mind. A candidate's ideas on how women should treat their bodies should not be relevant to the job especially at Federal Government level. It's completely infuriating that any of them feel they have the right to comment at all. Candidates should be made to stay on topic with things they can actually do for our country instead of fear mongering all sides with limiting health care and taking away the rights of adults. If they spent as much time talking about crime and actual murder as they've spent discussing rape babies and unwanted pregnancy, maybe something could improve. It's all just a distraction from the fact that neither of them knows what the crap they're doing but just want to win anyway.

 

[Nordling]

... reducing women down to voting with their lady bits or whatever his slogan is.

This is actually a great point out, imo. Both sides discuss their opinions of women's health in such a way as to bully women into having to vote with their health in mind. A candidate's ideas on how women should treat their bodies should not be relevant to the job especially at Federal Government level. It's completely infuriating that any of them feel they have the right to comment at all. Candidates should be made to stay on topic with things they can actually do for our country instead of fear mongering all sides with limiting health care and taking away the rights of adults. If they spent as much time talking about crime and actual murder as they've spent discussing rape babies and unwanted pregnancy, maybe something could improve. It's all just a distraction from the fact that neither of them knows what the crap they're doing but just want to win anyway.

So the candidate that believes that women should have the right to choice should stfu about it...to avoid the danger of appearing that he's pandering? I have to disagree. While it's true that many men talk way too much about things they have no clue about, I do think that since MOST politicians are male, I'll vote for the one who supports women's rights.

 

[jackie_O]

Also, as far as the morning-after pill, sure it will still be available but without Planned Parenthood being funded there will be a lot of women that just don't have access to it because it's ridiculously expensive.

I have no idea how expensive it is, but apparently they hand them out like candy to whoever wants one in some New York high schools.

ETA; Just looked it up.

Just for the benefit of personal experience, I'll say buying it at the drug store earlier this year in the great state of Alabama cost me $54. For one little pill.

 

[AllisonWilder]

Off-topic, but I don't care.

LOVE INTEREST #1 I have worshiped you, the only woman in the universe worth a damn, from afar for my whole life.

HEROINE That's nice.

LOVE INTEREST #2 I have worshiped you, the only woman in the universe worth a damn, naked on the forest floor. Yet I will nobly step aside in the name of noble idealism, despite the fact that I love you and want you, the only woman in the universe worth a damn, desperately.

HEROINE Okay.

LOVE INTEREST #3 I worship you, the only woman in the universe worth a damn. Let us have creepy rape fantasy sex now. I will not ask permission to do all these kinky things to you, but luckily you want to be forced into all the kinky things, you dirty biatch.

This feels like a day in the life of a camgirl.

Also, lulz.

HERO [Flips coin] If it's heads, I will gaze apathetically. If it's tails, I will laugh heartily.

:lol:

 

[JickyJuly]

... reducing women down to voting with their lady bits or whatever his slogan is.

This is actually a great point out, imo. Both sides discuss their opinions of women's health in such a way as to bully women into having to vote with their health in mind. A candidate's ideas on how women should treat their bodies should not be relevant to the job especially at Federal Government level. It's completely infuriating that any of them feel they have the right to comment at all. Candidates should be made to stay on topic with things they can actually do for our country instead of fear mongering all sides with limiting health care and taking away the rights of adults. If they spent as much time talking about crime and actual murder as they've spent discussing rape babies and unwanted pregnancy, maybe something could improve. It's all just a distraction from the fact that neither of them knows what the crap they're doing but just want to win anyway.

So the candidate that believes that women should have the right to choice should stfu about it...to avoid the danger of appearing that he's pandering? I have to disagree. While it's true that many men talk way too much about things they have no clue about, I do think that since MOST politicians are male, I'll vote for the one who supports women's rights.

Oh no, that's NOT where I meant to go with that. I just think it's sad that ANY CANDIDATE (that's why I took Obama out of Boce's quote and replaced it with dots) gets to speak on their women's rights or gay rights in a way that pretty much forces us to stop right there and know who we're voting for. Straight, white men in America get the benefit of looking at all the issues while Women can either vote against themselves or vote for the candidate that's not trying to claw at her ovaries. It's a bad set up. You know I'm all about Team Ladyparts, Nord! :mrgreen:

 

[Jupiter551]

The choice is about her getting an abortion or giving birth to the child. That is the choice she must make.

Guess what? She wouldn't have to make that choice if some asshole hadn't raped her in the first place.....

Of course. Now that the situation changed, she has a choice to make while law enforcement does their job.

I wish I could prevent all rapes, murders, assaults, etc but that isn't reality.

Really cos I could have sworn you were going to suggest that if she calls the police, why should taxpayers pay to hunt this "alleged" rapist, that it should be on her dime if she wants something done about it.