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Yeah, I just never felt all that good over on CB. While MFC can have its problems, CB wasn't all that appealing to me.
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Yeah, I just never felt all that good over on CB. While MFC can have its problems, CB wasn't all that appealing to me.
I absolutely agree with this. I guess the only reason I’m less irritated by anonymous/gray users is it’s impossible to know why they have no tokens (lost job, etc.) But yes, in a perfect world, they’d all tip something, especially if they’re hanging out for the entire show.
I wonder if, since it has a more community driven feel to the entire site as well as most models' rooms, that it's just easier there to deal with the freeloader/tipper/whale situation.
Sure, there are many reasons why some users may not have tokens.
But I believe that if you have no money to spend, you shouldn't be there in the first place.
Cam-sites are a luxury, not a necessity.
I don't mind if my regulars show up when they don't have any tokens. Once or twice.
Then I start questioning them.
But yes, I'm much more tolerant to my regular supporters who show up without tokens few times a month than to some strangers who haven't spent a single token in my room before.
If those strangers aren't freeloaders, they should be in someone else's room. For example, in the room of a model they regularly support. She may or may not be tolerant to them. It's up to her but there are more chances that she is as I am to my regulars.
I'm a model myself but I'm a member too. I don't have enough time to visit models regularly. Just once or twice a month.
But I make sure to show up with tokens on my member account and actually spend if I spend more than 5 minutes in someone's room.
Even if I'm not so interested in the show. I just want to show my appreciation. If I didn't like/respect a model, I wouldn't stay in her room longer than for 5 minutes.
And I'd be ashamed to show up on the site without tokens because I know how hard we, models, work.
I'm partway there.
I think if someone only has enough $ to contribute once in a while (assuming he DOES actually pitch in here and there), I don't mind people who can't currently buy tokens hang out to enjoy my room.
But if they NEVER INTEND to buy tokens, then I think they're assholes. And if they're unable to tip that day or for a long while, they should ONLY contribute to chat in a positive friendly way. Never ask for requests, don't ask questions outside of how things work on site/how to get vids, don't irritate other members in the chat.
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Thank you, I was going to type up something very similar to this. It's very rare for me to show up without tokens, and if it is it's mostly just to pop in say "Hi, I'm still alive" or something like that and then I'm gone. Even then, I try to make sure I have a few tokens to do a tip note (5tkn minimum on MFC).
I could see if someone is new to the room, and something on the main page attracted them into the room and they check it out for a few minutes before leaving. But, if it's someone who's always in there and never tips the model, they shouldn't be there.
Yeah, this. Anyone who a member spends more than a few minutes at a time with deserves a little something after hanging out for a substantial amount of time there.
Yeah but you never know who will buy tokens someday and who won't ever buy even the cheapest package.
Btw, I once registered a member account on MFC but I haven't actually visited anyone yet (MFC is still a little strange to me). So when I give MFC a second try, I'll make sure to catch you and to show up for a few minutes and tip to show my appreciation, Amber.
Because I'm really grateful for all the wonderful work on the forum!
I wish there was the button "I love this post enough to leave a tip".
There are many models I'd love to tip but they all are on a different sites.
It bugs me a little. I don't need that many member accounts on that many cam-sites, LOL.
There are many models I'd love to tip but they all are on a different sites.
It bugs me a little. I don't need that many member accounts on that many cam-sites, LOL.
Why do you pay for the movie theater or your internet or cable ? Cause it provides you entertainment. I like cam sites cause I could not get off to normal porn anymore. Millions pay for normal porn with no interaction. This is a job for many ladies and I feel their time is valuable so I like to support just like any YouTube channel I enjoy. I get where you're coning from it can add up but only you're to blame for that and should learn impulse control and budgeting. This is why I will always prefer PVTs cause of cheapskates that use a paid site and leach off others kindness. Of course if CB had a paywall they would lose potential customers. Don't waste people's time is all I'm saying and don't act like a big shot if you ain't got the funds to back it up.
It's always been a pretty simple deal to me.
No tipping - no models, no sites.
You either want the models you enjoy to do well and stick around ... or you don't.
No tipping - no models, no sites.
You either want the models you enjoy to do well and stick around ... or you don't.
If you really do tip, I don't think anyone would have to explain it to you. Especially when tipping often gets you videos, snaps, control of toys, flashes, up skirts, extra.
What will really blow your mind. Is some times people don't have 2 hours to kill, so they just tip the whole amount to get the show. Or similarly tip to get a private show.
That's basically how freemium videos games work. Some people want the content to continue, and they give money to see that happen. Or often they just get enjoyment from perks like cosmetics, extra. Some people can only afford like a single skin. Other people buy everything.
Like anything, spending money on entertainment should be done in a responsible manor. If you can't afford it, don't do it. Don't spend money you don't have.
Yes, and also the whole free software industry.
A Bill Gates would says "I can't understand how free software could make money" and would keep it's own things expensive for sell and expend a lot to protect this.
But this was in last century, nowadays you find enough grown up customers (and the free part is not a huge thing in an advertisement budget)
all very true =) So far I have not been able to be a freeloader =) And have made it more affordable by staying out of PM =)
Yes - first one is free as we know you be back =) They were smart as 9 out of 10 people would say - people wont' pay for that - they were wrong =) Not sure how big cam industry is but must be huge $$$$
Normal porn is so boring compared to cams - I am so old I come from the 1-900 phone sex days and those lady had such sexy voices so I guess I shouldn't be surprised this business works so well. And think it was you was talking about the smaller rooms. I have gone back to those and money goes farther and is enjoyable for sure. And I don't bookmakr nothing now =) I get on - hit my favorite tag and see who catches my eye and I pop in regardless of how many there as I know with some tokens a party can be started and I can then slam bam thank you maam and off I wander =)
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I have been in rooms where a guy showed up and typed to the model that she said he could come even when not have tokens =) Maybe he testing if she loves him without his money hahah- but ya - she said Hi to him so of course all is good.
MFC is for community - is like twitch almost. I see usernames even changed to the models name - with army added etc etc - they are loyal for sure. Little bit of that at CB but not as much - more of a one night stand site maybe =)
I had a model yesterday that I like and I was the only tipper and I'm working on the goal - was too slow though - she PM'd me - said had to go - thank you for tips - and she left. Was only second hour of her show and I know the purple army will show up but yep - something came up or she just got frustrated by the room.It's a personal view of myself and not an attack towards any broadcaster/s.
The dumb part for me is when I contribute 50% or more of the goal/s and the rest of the room can barely (or don't want to) come up with the rest.
Yes it is/was my choice to contribute what I do, but I'm allowed to be silently pissed off at times towards others.... aka. Freeloaders.
And if you really are truly shocked or offended that I feel dumb at times, then I apologize for mentioning it
and wasn't baiting - was a real question - why out of 100 guys do only 5 feel compelled to pay =) I think I get it now though - 1) we have money 2) we are maybe more lonely than other guys? but??
@Herein2020 you do know you can consolidate replies instead of 7 posts in a row...
That's a good point. Everyone has a first day as a registered user on a cam site, but apart from hanging out to see what's going on, few bother to think about what they are getting into and who the girls (and guys) at the other side of the cam actually are. That they literally are the girl next door is lost on so many. Just be nice. Just be nice. Just be nice.
I used to hang out in a very small but very good room on SC/XL, where two of the (very regular!) regulars were greys and helped create a nice athmosphere in the room. One of the greys were originally quite the asshole when arriving one evening, but he was (sternly, ha ha) welcomed by the model and the rest of us and eventually turned out to be a very nice guy. Us humans are complicated.
So, "greys are assholes" is not holy writ, but the statistics aren't exactly in their favour
Isn't a guy who buys 100 tokens and tips 50 models 2 tokens a day worse than a gray, though?
Just curious about models' opinions on this. I have seen so many guys buy a few tokens (not sure how much) and they make those few tokens last for days (maybe they buy more, who knows) on multiple models, doing the same thing to each model.. 1 token tip... 1 hr later.. 1 token tip... they leave. The next day they do the same. And I see that same person doing it to 2 or 3 other models, then they are maybe doing it to even more.
I understand that "at least that person is showing appreciation", but 10 cents a day or heck, 5 or 10 cents once a week.. it's not really helping at all, is it?
So what is honestly more annoying?
Just curious about models' opinions on this. I have seen so many guys buy a few tokens (not sure how much) and they make those few tokens last for days (maybe they buy more, who knows) on multiple models, doing the same thing to each model.. 1 token tip... 1 hr later.. 1 token tip... they leave. The next day they do the same. And I see that same person doing it to 2 or 3 other models, then they are maybe doing it to even more.
I understand that "at least that person is showing appreciation", but 10 cents a day or heck, 5 or 10 cents once a week.. it's not really helping at all, is it?
So what is honestly more annoying?
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I think many viewers worry there is something wrong with tipping small. There isn't. You shouldn't expect a huge reaction on par with dropping a big tip, but of course small tips are better than no tip at all. And they add up when more people rid themselves of this silly outlook that small tips are bad.
I'm sure there are performers who will disagree with me, everyone is different. But this is how I feel about it. When I cam (on SM, so different from CB or MFC but anyway), I see so many of the same names pop in and out every. single. time. I log on. If each of them tossed me a tip every day they stopped by and parked in my chat, that would be WAY favorable over seeing the same name daily, with no spending whatsoever. When I see the same name repeatedly with no spending, it's obvious that they enjoy SOMETHING about what I am doing, so I do feel mildly annoyed that they do not feel compelled to compensate me for whatever that may be. If I see that they have spent over time, that's great and I have no negative feelings about that. If they lurk often enough without ever spending, I may block them. If they are a silent appreciative tipping viewer, they're not going to get the block.
It's like going to the bar or restaurant and asking if it's better to leave no tip, or a small tip. Of course you should leave a tip!
Yes certainly everyone likes big tips over small tips, but likely almost everyone prefers SOME tips over no tips as well. I'm kind of confused about how members get this mindset, honestly.
It all adds up in the end come payday. I appreciate any tip amount anyone gives me.
sorry - I have seen how people do that - copy and paste quotes and answer them - will do that next time - thanks
I wouldn’t want to discourage anyone from tipping, even if it’s small. But I also think tips should be sufficient (or better) in comparison to what you saw/how long you stayed.
I gotta say this has turned into an interesting discussion. I enjoy reading the different viewpoints.
You don't have to copy and paste. You can just hit reply to multiple posts in your reply. Or hit quote on multiple posts, then in your reply "insert quotes" then just place your text in between them.
A user's token spending pattern is probably not a good metric for "good" and "bad" or anything inbetween. It depends on so many other things that a discussion about that is bordering on meaningless. You can't expect users who can't afford more than 100 tokens to refrain from buying tokens and stay away from the cams altogether because their tipping isn't helping. Plus, giving away stuff just like that is a big deal for many guys.
Transactions always have two parties, but the parties may not always have the same motive for being in it.
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Transactions always have two parties, but the parties may not always have the same motive for being in it.
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I'd still rather take 10 tokens from a member who stayed 4 hours than no tokens.
Here's my thoughts on the discussion in general:
I don't like "perma" freeloaders - people with no intent to pay ever. However, I don't mind folks hanging out chatting in my room when they are unable to tip for days, weeks etc. Life happens. Right now Covid has seriously impacted many of my regulars incomes. I want them to keep coming in my room. partly cos I give a shit about them, they've shown they give a shit about me. And partly because, if they were to say.. go away for a month or two and return when they have enough to spend again, that's when you LOSE people. They get into other hobbies, the memory fades a bit. If you keep folks engaged and invested in your community when they can tip, they will.
Also, frankly, if everyone who was not able to tip that day or tip "sufficient or better" to what they saw/how long they stayed my room would be far less chatty and entertaining. There is something to be said for a positive contribution to a chatty/fun room atmosphere. I'm NOT saying it replaces an obligation to tip, it does not. But it does help me keep my room fun and helps me find new tippers.
While I understand why it can be frustrating to members to watch people freeload, I would remind them they don't know what's really going on sometimes. I have a guy that my room probably all assumes is a freeloader, but when he comes in he drops usually 4-10 1000token tips. I can make 4000-10000 tokens off him in a matter of an hour. He never wants anything for them and he tips them as a "ninja" so the room cant' see them. That's his business. I also have members who have been big tippers in the past and no longer can and they are honestly, always welcome. I understand that might be frustrating to see someone sit there and tip nothing day after day but 3 years ago that person spent over $10,000 on me when he got his inheritance. It's not something anyone but me and that person need to know but ???
And yeah im thinking of some specific situations, but the point is .. you never know what's going on between a member and a model. You don't know how much the guy tips, spends on other sites. I've had a basic hang out in chat that tell me they can't seem to get tokens on MFC (for whatever reason) But they buy shit loads of my porn on other sites. I verified it was him..
I guess I just see the big picture. I also want to mention that I am aware I'm talking about a specific type of chat room style, and that this won't apply to all cam models or sites. But that's how I approach it.
One other thing to note - I know many of my regulars financial situations. As such the guy making what I suspect is high 6 figures a year ..were he to drop a 10 tokens and stays all day.. that might be a little more insulting to me than the guy I know works at Walmart dropping 10 tokens and staying all day. I don't provide 'sliding scale' services but I do make a mental note of it in relation to their situation if I'm aware of it. If someone on a low income saves up and drops a huge tip, honestly it does mean more to me than someone for whom the big tip may be far less of a financial burden.
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