What is the most annoying thing a model can do?

[LacieLaPlante]

May as well drift off slightly, but cropping up on my MFC Twitter feed a lot lately seems to be some sort of FinDom fad. I don't get it, but know some guys get off on the idea of having someone control their money. But surely the model has to be more dominant in their own right? The ones I'm seeing post up, hashtaging things like #paypigs etc certainly come across more as submissive.

Is this just the latest model craze to try and make money for minimal effort?

Paypigs is in reference to the guy being her paypig, not the other way around!

Oh, I'm aware of that. Evidently just missed the comma after the etc. Just that I find the models who I follow that have just started doing this are more submissive when I've seen them on cam, and as such the whole concept seems rather false to me.

Will edit the comma into the original post

The reason they do it is because they are more submissive on cam.. I'm rather mind mannered on cam, so when I tweet about my finsubs who like to say I wasted their money and time, I add findom to the end so that people know WHY I tweeted that. It's part of a careful domination with a sub. Not making your regulars who are not into it comfortable with what you're saying.

 

[LilLitaRose]

Re Paypigs:

Before I became a sex worker, and I was on a really bad kink site, I noticed that was a trend. But I did notice that some males enjoy it. It's kind of the same thing as a Sugar Daddy, but more on the submissive side.
When I did phone sex, I offered Fin Domme services. But to me, Fin Domme wasn't taking all their money, but controlling what they spent. I would have them give me info about their budgets, their paychecks. It was a way for me to make sure they were spending correctly, and allotting some money to spoil me.
And on Cam, I call myself more of a bottom than submissive. Most of my high roller regs are Tops, and enjoy seeing me being edged or spanked. It all depends on the crowd I suppose.

And in my opinion, the girls who just expect to get tons of money and not do any work, are not very good findommes. There's a saying in the kink world, "Don't break your toys".

Hope this helped!

 

[NataliaGrey]

Just because a girl seems submissive in public chat doesn't mean she always is. I'm submissive in public chat, but in True Privates I will very happily be dominant if asked. I do it this way because most of the members who I attract are dominant themselves, or they're just not into kink, and I feel like it would be offputting to them if I showed them my dominant side. They know I'm a switch and that it exists, but they don't really want to see it. It's a branding thing.

 

[Misono]

Re Paypigs:

Before I became a sex worker, and I was on a really bad kink site, I noticed that was a trend. But I did notice that some males enjoy it. It's kind of the same thing as a Sugar Daddy, but more on the submissive side.
When I did phone sex, I offered Fin Domme services. But to me, Fin Domme wasn't taking all their money, but controlling what they spent. I would have them give me info about their budgets, their paychecks. It was a way for me to make sure they were spending correctly, and allotting some money to spoil me.
And on Cam, I call myself more of a bottom than submissive. Most of my high roller regs are Tops, and enjoy seeing me being edged or spanked. It all depends on the crowd I suppose.

And in my opinion, the girls who just expect to get tons of money and not do any work, are not very good findommes. There's a saying in the kink world, "Don't break your toys".

Hope this helped!

Think that's probably the best description. Financial domination to me is more controlling spend, then getting a bit for yourself. All I see from these new people is "Give me money for nothing".

 

[SexySteph]

Re Paypigs:

Before I became a sex worker, and I was on a really bad kink site, I noticed that was a trend. But I did notice that some males enjoy it. It's kind of the same thing as a Sugar Daddy, but more on the submissive side.
When I did phone sex, I offered Fin Domme services. But to me, Fin Domme wasn't taking all their money, but controlling what they spent. I would have them give me info about their budgets, their paychecks. It was a way for me to make sure they were spending correctly, and allotting some money to spoil me.
And on Cam, I call myself more of a bottom than submissive. Most of my high roller regs are Tops, and enjoy seeing me being edged or spanked. It all depends on the crowd I suppose.

And in my opinion, the girls who just expect to get tons of money and not do any work, are not very good findommes. There's a saying in the kink world, "Don't break your toys".

Hope this helped!

Think that's probably the best description. Financial domination to me is more controlling spend, then getting a bit for yourself. All I see from these new people is "Give me money for nothing".

What she has describes is ONE kind of financial domination, but there are many kinds. For example, some men like orgasm denial paired with "you're disgusting and I won't let you cum unless you pay me more". Some men sincerely get off on being told how shitty they are and the only way they can talk to a beautiful woman is by spending money on her. So the "money for nothing" thing IS part of the fetish. If you gave some of these guys "something" in return it wouldn't be as good for them. (But do be clear, they do get something. Humiliation, respect for their kink boundaries, shaming, oftentimes orgasm control, etc)

It might not be your fetish, but it's as valid as any other.

 

[LilLitaRose]

Re Paypigs:

Before I became a sex worker, and I was on a really bad kink site, I noticed that was a trend. But I did notice that some males enjoy it. It's kind of the same thing as a Sugar Daddy, but more on the submissive side.
When I did phone sex, I offered Fin Domme services. But to me, Fin Domme wasn't taking all their money, but controlling what they spent. I would have them give me info about their budgets, their paychecks. It was a way for me to make sure they were spending correctly, and allotting some money to spoil me.
And on Cam, I call myself more of a bottom than submissive. Most of my high roller regs are Tops, and enjoy seeing me being edged or spanked. It all depends on the crowd I suppose.

And in my opinion, the girls who just expect to get tons of money and not do any work, are not very good findommes. There's a saying in the kink world, "Don't break your toys".

Hope this helped!

Think that's probably the best description. Financial domination to me is more controlling spend, then getting a bit for yourself. All I see from these new people is "Give me money for nothing".

What she has describes is ONE kind of financial domination, but there are many kinds. For example, some men like orgasm denial paired with "you're disgusting and I won't let you cum unless you pay me more". Some men sincerely get off on being told how shitty they are and the only way they can talk to a beautiful woman is by spending money on her. So the "money for nothing" thing IS part of the fetish. If you gave some of these guys "something" in return it wouldn't be as good for them. (But do be clear, they do get something. Humiliation, respect for their kink boundaries, shaming, oftentimes orgasm control, etc)

It might not be your fetish, but it's as valid as any other.

Rawr, I think I didn't clarify something, and I'm sorry for that. I guess what I meant by "expect to not do any work" are the ones who don't even continue contact, but expect the finsub to continue to send money.
You're right, all kinks are valid.
Sorry again ^^

 

[mynameisbob84]

Do you ever get the reverse? Like, women who want to be financially dominated by men? I'm guessing you must do, but I've never seen it.

Incidentally, if any women here (or men for that matter) want their moneys spent by someone else, hit me up, yo :thumbleft:

 

[SexySteph]

Do you ever get the reverse? Like, women who want to be financially dominated by men? I'm guessing you must do, but I've never seen it.

Incidentally, if any women here (or men for that matter) want their moneys spent by someone else, hit me up, yo :thumbleft:

I think it's a lot less common. From what I understand part of the kink comes from, psychologically, is the fact that most men are constantly in control of everything (particularly Type A personality types) so findom is this world where they can feel not in control anymore. (Particularly in the findom situations where guys will give girls their CC info and go shopping together).

It's less common in women because the overwhelming feeling of being the one in control all the time is less common in women and when it does exist the fetish that manifests from this manifests differently (*consensual* rape fetish, being a little, etc). Also, just due the the economy it's more common for men to be wealthy with more money than they know what to do with than it is for women.

I had a guy who saw the findom tag on my profile once and asked me if I was into being findommed and he suggested that I perform a cumshow for free and then hang out online with no tips till my camscore fell. It was weird...

 

[Misono]

Annoyingly, and because I've had good sessions with this one before the change, I opted for a private tonight. Completely sprung it on me that she'd act differently to how she had in other privates, and just left me like

 

[LacieLaPlante]

Annoyingly, and because I've had good sessions with this one before the change, I opted for a private tonight. Completely sprung it on me that she'd act differently to how she had in other privates, and just left me like

This is kinda vague.. What did she do before that she doesn't do now? Or.. how does she act now that she didn't before?

 

[Misono]

Annoyingly, and because I've had good sessions with this one before the change, I opted for a private tonight. Completely sprung it on me that she'd act differently to how she had in other privates, and just left me like

This is kinda vague.. What did she do before that she doesn't do now? Or.. how does she act now that she didn't before?

Was basically trying to FinDom me during a private show, refusing changes of position etc because "I do what I want". It just made for uncomfortable viewing for me, and was a complete change in character to someone who I've had many fun privates with in the past.

 

[NataliaGrey]

Annoyingly, and because I've had good sessions with this one before the change, I opted for a private tonight. Completely sprung it on me that she'd act differently to how she had in other privates, and just left me like

This is kinda vague.. What did she do before that she doesn't do now? Or.. how does she act now that she didn't before?

Was basically trying to FinDom me during a private show, refusing changes of position etc because "I do what I want". It just made for uncomfortable viewing for me, and was a complete change in character to someone who I've had many fun privates with in the past.

That doesn't sound anything like FinDom to me... She was still masturbating, right? Many girls don't take requests even in privates. A lot of girls can't cum except in certain positions. It really does suck that you had experience with her and she didn't tell you that she was changing her style until after you were in private, though! Were you requesting something you hadn't asked her for before? Maybe that particular thing was a no-go for her.

 

[mynameisbob84]

Do you ever get the reverse? Like, women who want to be financially dominated by men? I'm guessing you must do, but I've never seen it.

Incidentally, if any women here (or men for that matter) want their moneys spent by someone else, hit me up, yo :thumbleft:

I think it's a lot less common. From what I understand part of the kink comes from, psychologically, is the fact that most men are constantly in control of everything (particularly Type A personality types) so findom is this world where they can feel not in control anymore. (Particularly in the findom situations where guys will give girls their CC info and go shopping together).

It's less common in women because the overwhelming feeling of being the one in control all the time is less common in women and when it does exist the fetish that manifests from this manifests differently (*consensual* rape fetish, being a little, etc). Also, just due the the economy it's more common for men to be wealthy with more money than they know what to do with than it is for women.

I had a guy who saw the findom tag on my profile once and asked me if I was into being findommed and he suggested that I perform a cumshow for free and then hang out online with no tips till my camscore fell. It was weird...

That makes a lot of sense. The findom psychology stuff that is. Not the idea that you'd want to do free shows until your camscore tanked because you have 'findom' in your tags

 

[KelliAutumn]

Findom is my biggest fetish (it turns me and the sub I take on, on!) but in my main chat I don't like to mention it much. Many people (and the majority of my MFC regulars) aren't really aware that financial domination is a fetish and the last thing I wan to do is scare them off with talk of paypigs/money slaves/etc. I don't want people to take it the wrong way that are ignorant to the subgenre of sub/dom fetish.

I am a very dominate person, but I chose to behave more submissive because female domination appeals to a very small % of men and it's easier to attract more people without a dominate title attached to it.

Granted yes, I think some do it simply because many subs are willing to send money/gifts easily without much effort of the girl. But, I personally never ever allow a sub to do anything for me until I decide I want to take him on. It's a two way street. He treats me like a goddess, I treat him back by controlling him (it turns him on!).

:handgestures-thumbsup:

 

[SexySteph]

Annoyingly, and because I've had good sessions with this one before the change, I opted for a private tonight. Completely sprung it on me that she'd act differently to how she had in other privates, and just left me like

This is kinda vague.. What did she do before that she doesn't do now? Or.. how does she act now that she didn't before?

Was basically trying to FinDom me during a private show, refusing changes of position etc because "I do what I want". It just made for uncomfortable viewing for me, and was a complete change in character to someone who I've had many fun privates with in the past.

That doesn't sound anything like FinDom to me... She was still masturbating, right? Many girls don't take requests even in privates. A lot of girls can't cum except in certain positions. It really does suck that you had experience with her and she didn't tell you that she was changing her style until after you were in private, though! Were you requesting something you hadn't asked her for before? Maybe that particular thing was a no-go for her.

Another possibility is that she has actually been uncomfortable in your past privates and she hasn't felt comfortable bringing it up so when you ask for something she doesn't like doing instead of doing it like she used to she refused.

Sometimes as camgirls we'll do something that we're not comfortable with before our boundaries are set and then it ends up being a common thing because we don't want to tell that person "no, I'm not comfortable with that, actually, I know I pretended I was, but I'm not". Some girls will continue doing it even though they hate it, some will just subtly try to not do that thing, etc. I'm guess that may have been the case for her.

 

[KelliAutumn]

Annoyingly, and because I've had good sessions with this one before the change, I opted for a private tonight. Completely sprung it on me that she'd act differently to how she had in other privates, and just left me like

This is kinda vague.. What did she do before that she doesn't do now? Or.. how does she act now that she didn't before?

Was basically trying to FinDom me during a private show, refusing changes of position etc because "I do what I want". It just made for uncomfortable viewing for me, and was a complete change in character to someone who I've had many fun privates with in the past.

That doesn't sound anything like FinDom to me... She was still masturbating, right? Many girls don't take requests even in privates. A lot of girls can't cum except in certain positions. It really does suck that you had experience with her and she didn't tell you that she was changing her style until after you were in private, though! Were you requesting something you hadn't asked her for before? Maybe that particular thing was a no-go for her.

Another possibility is that she has actually been uncomfortable in your past privates and she hasn't felt comfortable bringing it up so when you ask for something she doesn't like doing instead of doing it like she used to she refused.

Sometimes as camgirls we'll do something that we're not comfortable with before our boundaries are set and then it ends up being a common thing because we don't want to tell that person "no, I'm not comfortable with that, actually, I know I pretended I was, but I'm not". Some girls will continue doing it even though they hate it, some will just subtly try to not do that thing, etc. I'm guess that may have been the case for her.

I think a lot of times we don't mind pushing our boundaries, but some days we just can't and it can be hard/embarrassing to express that we don't want to do something in fear of angering our viewers/regulars.

 

[Leon_Omega]

Many people (and the majority of my MFC regulars) aren't really aware that financial domination is a fetish and the last thing I wan to do is scare them off with talk of paypigs/money slaves/etc. I don't want people to take it the wrong way that are ignorant to the subgenre of sub/dom fetish.

Yeah, it's a fine line to walk in public chat. It can be really good if this is your one "main" fetish that you're into much more than any other because over time you'll stat building a group of regulars that are all into the fetish as well. On the other, it's easy to get hate from people who don't understand the fetish, or just happen to wander in at the wrong time and hear you domming without proper context.

Sometimes as camgirls we'll do something that we're not comfortable with before our boundaries are set and then it ends up being a common thing because we don't want to tell that person "no, I'm not comfortable with that, actually, I know I pretended I was, but I'm not". Some girls will continue doing it even though they hate it, some will just subtly try to not do that thing, etc. I'm guess that may have been the case for her.

This sounds a bit strange to me. I'd always kind of imagined camming as one of those industries where it would be relatively easy to talk about how you were uncomfortable doing something and just stop doing it in the future. Maybe that's just because most of you guys seem really on top of things and in control of the situation you're in at any given time, but it seems silly for a camgirl to continue doing something that makes her uncomfortable. You may lose out on a few customers because of it, but in the long run they will be replaced by others who don't blatantly ovestep the boundaries you guys have been constantly mapping and exploring throughout your careers.

 

[SexySteph]

Many people (and the majority of my MFC regulars) aren't really aware that financial domination is a fetish and the last thing I wan to do is scare them off with talk of paypigs/money slaves/etc. I don't want people to take it the wrong way that are ignorant to the subgenre of sub/dom fetish.

Yeah, it's a fine line to walk in public chat. It can be really good if this is your one "main" fetish that you're into much more than any other because over time you'll stat building a group of regulars that are all into the fetish as well. On the other, it's easy to get hate from people who don't understand the fetish, or just happen to wander in at the wrong time and hear you domming without proper context.

Sometimes as camgirls we'll do something that we're not comfortable with before our boundaries are set and then it ends up being a common thing because we don't want to tell that person "no, I'm not comfortable with that, actually, I know I pretended I was, but I'm not". Some girls will continue doing it even though they hate it, some will just subtly try to not do that thing, etc. I'm guess that may have been the case for her.

This sounds a bit strange to me. I'd always kind of imagined camming as one of those industries where it would be relatively easy to talk about how you were uncomfortable doing something and just stop doing it in the future. Maybe that's just because most of you guys seem really on top of things and in control of the situation you're in at any given time, but it seems silly for a camgirl to continue doing something that makes her uncomfortable. You may lose out on a few customers because of it, but in the long run they will be replaced by others who don't blatantly ovestep the boundaries you guys have been constantly mapping and exploring throughout your careers.

It's more of an issue in privates than in public chat. In public chat it's easy to just say "no" or not do it. For example I used to do gyno view public cumshows. Those felt uncomfortable and cheap to me so I now only do groups and privates and never gyno style. It was easy for me to make that change because there didn't need to be any one on one conversation about it.

But privates/skypes with long term regs are different. Boundaries changing often mean a one on one conversation and that can be uncomfortable or ego-damaging. Imagine you've been a regular of this girl for ages, since her 2nd week on MFC and you've been getting regular privates with her. You both enjoy each other's company and on top of that you're also a high contributor to her. She always did cam to cam with you because when she first started out she thought it was expected and you really like it, but secretly it's uncomfortable for her because it feels to intimate. Or imagine it's something else. She pretended she loved this one toy you bought for her and always uses it in private with you but it actually is painfully large for her or something. Privates are pretty expensive so many times it feels like you should give the member what he wants even if you don't LOVE it because he's spending so much on it. Maybe a girl REALLY doesn't like being told "okay, now flip over and put your pussy in the cam" "can you put your ankles by your head for me" etc, but they might do it because it'd feel weird mid private to be like "hey, I really enjoy cumming with you, but is it okay if I go at my own pace? Being directed doesn't do it for me". A lot of guys would probably call them scammers or at the very least end the private. And sometimes it's an ego thing. Cam to cam maybe makes a girl uncomfortable because it feels to personal but it feels like it might be insulting to say "I really don't want to do cam to cam anymore in our privates".

I don't see it as guy overstepping boundaries. It's often just a case of being unaware of where the boundaries are and the girl not comfortable possibly upsetting a friend by changing the boundaries they'd become accustomed to. I've been lucky, the majority of my privates are the "I just want to watch you cum" variety and most don't make me uncomfortable. But if I had a long term reg who I'd pretended I enjoyed something when I started out that I really didn't I'd feel weird being like "Hey, I lied, I hate that." unless it was physically painful for me or something. It feels a lot like saying "all those orgasms we enjoyed together I faked because I was uncomfortable with 'x thing you enjoy so much'"

 

[Gen]

There's loads of reasons girls will do things they aren't the comfortable with - they need money and can't afford to turn it down, they work for a studio, he's a high tipper and they don't want to piss him off. Maybe she's done it before and then realized she didn't like it, but didn't know how to say it (this has happened to me before). Maybe she likes it sometimes but this guy is just pushy or weird about it.

I love the idea that most camgirls are empowered and able to set their boundaries super clearly, but I don't think it's realistic in all cases. Not all camgirls are career camgirls trying to find their brand and whatever, lots of girls just want to make a buck while they can.

That said - obviously I have no idea what happened between Misono and his model! Just expanding on what you were saying. I think most ACF models are more vocal and have clear boundaries, and want to do shows that they enjoy.

 

[mynameisbob84]

Many people (and the majority of my MFC regulars) aren't really aware that financial domination is a fetish and the last thing I wan to do is scare them off with talk of paypigs/money slaves/etc. I don't want people to take it the wrong way that are ignorant to the subgenre of sub/dom fetish.

Yeah, it's a fine line to walk in public chat. It can be really good if this is your one "main" fetish that you're into much more than any other because over time you'll stat building a group of regulars that are all into the fetish as well. On the other, it's easy to get hate from people who don't understand the fetish, or just happen to wander in at the wrong time and hear you domming without proper context.

Sometimes as camgirls we'll do something that we're not comfortable with before our boundaries are set and then it ends up being a common thing because we don't want to tell that person "no, I'm not comfortable with that, actually, I know I pretended I was, but I'm not". Some girls will continue doing it even though they hate it, some will just subtly try to not do that thing, etc. I'm guess that may have been the case for her.

This sounds a bit strange to me. I'd always kind of imagined camming as one of those industries where it would be relatively easy to talk about how you were uncomfortable doing something and just stop doing it in the future. Maybe that's just because most of you guys seem really on top of things and in control of the situation you're in at any given time, but it seems silly for a camgirl to continue doing something that makes her uncomfortable. You may lose out on a few customers because of it, but in the long run they will be replaced by others who don't blatantly ovestep the boundaries you guys have been constantly mapping and exploring throughout your careers.

It's more of an issue in privates than in public chat. In public chat it's easy to just say "no" or not do it. But privates/skypes with long term regs are different. Imagine you've been a regular of this girl for ages, since her 2nd week on MFC and you've been getting regular privates with her. You both enjoy each other's company and on top of that you're also a high contributor to her. She always did cam to cam with you because when she first started out she thought it was expected and you really like it, but secretly it's uncomfortable for her because it feels to intimate. Or imagine it's something else. She pretended she loved this one toy you bought for her and always uses it in private with you but it actually is painfully large for her or something. Privates are pretty expensive so many times it feels like you should give the member what he wants even if you don't LOVE it because he's spending so much on it. Maybe a girl REALLY doesn't like being told "okay, now flip over and put your pussy in the cam" "can you put your ankles by your head for me" etc, but we do it because it'd feel weird mid private to be like "hey, I really enjoy cumming with you, but is it okay if I go at my own pace? Being directed doesn't do it for me". Alot of guys would probably call them scammers or at the very least end the private. And sometimes it's an ego thing. Cam to cam maybe makes a girl uncomfortable because it feels to personal but it feels like it might be insulting to say "I really don't want to do cam to cam anymore in our privats".

I don't see it as guy overstepping boundaries. It's often just a case of being unaware of where the boundaries are and the girl not comfortable possibly upsetting a friend by changing the boundaries they'd become accustomed to.

I think (hope) most guys would much rather know when they're asking a model to do something they're uncomfortable with than not. I'd much rather be told "hey, can we do not do x any more, I'm not as comfortable with it as I might have made out I was" than continue to tip for something that I thought a model had no problem with but actually wasn't comfortable doing it at all.

 

[Alexandra Cole]

Was basically trying to FinDom me during a private show, refusing changes of position etc because "I do what I want". It just made for uncomfortable viewing for me, and was a complete change in character to someone who I've had many fun privates with in the past.

FinDom is very specific. What you're describing sounds like someone who's just asserting herself. Maybe she's tired of taking direction.

You could always ask her.

 

[AmberCutie]

The couple times I tried to play with a financial sub or a humiliation sub in public chat it weirded out a lot of regulars and likely turned away a lot of lurking members.

These sort of things are best done offline or in trueprivate, I've learned. Unless your whole MFC persona is about being a domme, then you may be able to pull it off as common place in public chat.

 

[SaffronBurke]

My :twocents-02cents: on a few topics mentioned here:

A prime example of camgirls thinking that something is expected or required of them would be all the girls who've posted here this year asking if they can cam without doing penetration. It feels like an expectation if you've spent any amount of time on a camsite, as it seems like every model is doing public cum shows with dildos. However, there are several successful non-penetration models, as not every viewer is looking for or prefers penetration. Yes, they seem to be slightly in the majority, but only barely - for every two guys who want to see me use a dildo, one prefers clit play only. The same goes for using toys - for every two who want to see a dildo or vibe, one is more than happy to see me just using my fingers. Many girls are not aware of this, however, and may end up using toys and/or doing penetration even though they're not comfortable doing it, because they weren't aware that there's a decent profit to still be made without those options, and they're doing what they think they HAVE to do in order to earn money. When they later learn that they can get off however they want and guys will still be happy to watch it, it may be easy to make the transition, or it may alienate regulars. It can be a tough choice.

Personal example:
I've done a show I was mildly uncomfortable with before because I needed the money, and mid-show decided that, once the show was over, I would never do that again. It was a play session on KinkLive, which is like a gold show on Streammate, so I couldn't end the show or I wouldn't get paid, but he was way too bossy for far to little money. He was one of the oh-to-familiar Internet "doms", who enters a chat and instantly begins barking orders, and calling the model slut/whore/slave. There are folks out there who don't realize that just because I am A submissive, it does not mean that I am YOUR submissive, and you need to earn my respect before you start to command me. I did one thing for him in free chat, then told him that if he wanted more, he'd have to take me private. Instead, he proposed the play session, which I normally would not have acquiesced to, but it was just what I needed to reach payout on that pay period, which ended that day, and I had a bill that I needed to pay with that check. During the show, and after it, I decided that, in the future, sacrificing my self-worth just for a paycheck isn't worth it, and going forward, I would only do shows like that in private, where I'd be properly compensated for what I'm worth for dealing with that behavior - if I even feel like dealing with it at all that day. My asshole tolerance is very low, and some days it barely exists, but I can usually manage to be polite about it.

On to seeming-submissives doing dominant things: I can be one of those. When it comes to physical kink, I prefer to be the one being tied up and beat on. I love it. When I try to physically top others, I don't really succeed because I'm uncomfortable. But when it comes to the mental side of kink - humiliation, control, and the like - I far prefer to be the dominant there, though there are situations that I'd enjoy being the submissive with someone I trusted. My sexuality is pretty mentally based, so knowing that what I'm saying is turning someone on is incredibly arousing to me, and if what I'm saying is mean, it's resulting in a strong reaction and adding to my enjoyment of doing it - kinda like being a bully, but only if the target likes it. I'm usually pretty sweet and friendly on cam, so it can surprise people when they learn that the other side of me exists, but that doesn't make any aspect of my personality more or less me.

 

[Leon_Omega]

Many people (and the majority of my MFC regulars) aren't really aware that financial domination is a fetish and the last thing I wan to do is scare them off with talk of paypigs/money slaves/etc. I don't want people to take it the wrong way that are ignorant to the subgenre of sub/dom fetish.

Yeah, it's a fine line to walk in public chat. It can be really good if this is your one "main" fetish that you're into much more than any other because over time you'll stat building a group of regulars that are all into the fetish as well. On the other, it's easy to get hate from people who don't understand the fetish, or just happen to wander in at the wrong time and hear you domming without proper context.

Sometimes as camgirls we'll do something that we're not comfortable with before our boundaries are set and then it ends up being a common thing because we don't want to tell that person "no, I'm not comfortable with that, actually, I know I pretended I was, but I'm not". Some girls will continue doing it even though they hate it, some will just subtly try to not do that thing, etc. I'm guess that may have been the case for her.

This sounds a bit strange to me. I'd always kind of imagined camming as one of those industries where it would be relatively easy to talk about how you were uncomfortable doing something and just stop doing it in the future. Maybe that's just because most of you guys seem really on top of things and in control of the situation you're in at any given time, but it seems silly for a camgirl to continue doing something that makes her uncomfortable. You may lose out on a few customers because of it, but in the long run they will be replaced by others who don't blatantly ovestep the boundaries you guys have been constantly mapping and exploring throughout your careers.

It's more of an issue in privates than in public chat. In public chat it's easy to just say "no" or not do it. For example I used to do gyno view public cumshows. Those felt uncomfortable and cheap to me so I now only do groups and privates and never gyno style. It was easy for me to make that change because there didn't need to be any one on one conversation about it.

But privates/skypes with long term regs are different. Boundaries changing often mean a one on one conversation and that can be uncomfortable or ego-damaging. Imagine you've been a regular of this girl for ages, since her 2nd week on MFC and you've been getting regular privates with her. You both enjoy each other's company and on top of that you're also a high contributor to her. She always did cam to cam with you because when she first started out she thought it was expected and you really like it, but secretly it's uncomfortable for her because it feels to intimate. Or imagine it's something else. She pretended she loved this one toy you bought for her and always uses it in private with you but it actually is painfully large for her or something. Privates are pretty expensive so many times it feels like you should give the member what he wants even if you don't LOVE it because he's spending so much on it. Maybe a girl REALLY doesn't like being told "okay, now flip over and put your pussy in the cam" "can you put your ankles by your head for me" etc, but they might do it because it'd feel weird mid private to be like "hey, I really enjoy cumming with you, but is it okay if I go at my own pace? Being directed doesn't do it for me". A lot of guys would probably call them scammers or at the very least end the private. And sometimes it's an ego thing. Cam to cam maybe makes a girl uncomfortable because it feels to personal but it feels like it might be insulting to say "I really don't want to do cam to cam anymore in our privates".

I don't see it as guy overstepping boundaries. It's often just a case of being unaware of where the boundaries are and the girl not comfortable possibly upsetting a friend by changing the boundaries they'd become accustomed to. I've been lucky, the majority of my privates are the "I just want to watch you cum" variety and most don't make me uncomfortable. But if I had a long term reg who I'd pretended I enjoyed something when I started out that I really didn't I'd feel weird being like "Hey, I lied, I hate that." unless it was physically painful for me or something. It feels a lot like saying "all those orgasms we enjoyed together I faked because I was uncomfortable with 'x thing you enjoy so much'"

Ah, I getcha, I forget that I only really see what goes on in public.

I pretty much meant exactly what you said regarding overstepping boundaries - the guy crossing them being (partially) unaware that he's doing so whilst not noticing the shift in body language that would show your discomfort. I had a girlfriend once who was naturally both quite submissive, but that also extended to her not being clear about what she wanted and more importantly, what she didn't want. That relationship ended badly because of the fact that she couldn't voice her objections until it was far too late and ever since then, I've tried to pick up on these cues should they pop up.

Whenever I take a girl private, my main concern is to have her get off because that is a huge turn-on for me. Because of that, I usually try to hammer out whichever details there are beforehand and make sure that she's both comfortable with that and aware that I'm open to suggestions if she isn't (that only ever really came into play because I'm not as big a fan of as some of the camgirls I've done privates with). though I suppose that doesn't come up as much because my tastes lean a lot more toward the softcore side than most. What I'm getting at is that many of us get off on your reactions to various (sexual) stimuli. I would personally feel more hurt by the revelation that I had been asking you to do things you weren't comfortable with/enjoying for a long time than the fact that you would have been "faking it for my enjoyment" (though I can certainly see how some members and models might see that differently).

And of course I understand that sometimes you can't really afford to pass up on the money you could make from doing something that makes you (slightly) uncomfortable. I can only hope that those situations don't pop up too often.

 

[SexySteph]

I would personally feel more hurt by the revelation that I had been asking you to do things you weren't comfortable with/enjoying for a long time than the fact that you would have been "faking it for my enjoyment" (though I can certainly see how some members and models might see that differently).

You phrased that bit better than I did. That's essentially what I meant. I'm guessing finding this out later might make a guy feel skeevy or guilty. When that's not the intention. Which is why some might abruptly change it up without warning the guy that she won't be doing x y or z anymore.

 

[Misono]

For this private session, we'd had a discussion before hand. I don't go for anything out of the norm, and I've always been respectful. What got to me was that, as soon as we got in there, she started acting difficult. This is just your standard cum show, not your "Put 18 butt plugs in you at once whilst balancing on one leg and singing songs from Les Miserables" type show.

It was the comments directed at me that made the show uncomfortable. Everything was a complete change to our usual shows, and when I did question it, I got "Being submissive didn't make me money, so now I'm going to dominate people". It was pretty much sprung on me, made worse by the fact we had discussed the show content prior.

I left a message afterwards, just stating that I didn't enjoy it as much as others. I don't expect to get a reply, but felt a bit of constructive criticism wouldn't go amiss.

I can see why other guys enjoy it, but to me I just do not see the appeal, and it's a complete turn off.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

For this private session, we'd had a discussion before hand. I don't go for anything out of the norm, and I've always been respectful. What got to me was that, as soon as we got in there, she started acting difficult. This is just your standard cum show, not your "Put 18 butt plugs in you at once whilst balancing on one leg and singing songs from Les Miserables" type show.

It was the comments directed at me that made the show uncomfortable. Everything was a complete change to our usual shows, and when I did question it, I got "Being submissive didn't make me money, so now I'm going to dominate people". It was pretty much sprung on me, made worse by the fact we had discussed the show content prior.

I left a message afterwards, just stating that I didn't enjoy it as much as others. I don't expect to get a reply, but felt a bit of constructive criticism wouldn't go amiss.

I can see why other guys enjoy it, but to me I just do not see the appeal, and it's a complete turn off.

It seems to me the most logical explanation is she is trying to make more money. Can't blame the woman for trying, but it is also sounds like she lost a good regular.

 

[Starling]

Being submissive didn't make me money, so now I'm going to dominate people".

:? bscene-sexualdoggy:


:text-nocomment:

 

[Kunra9]

Being submissive didn't make me money...

What a thing to say.

My response would have been "Well suddenly treating me like a sub isn't going to get MY money" and ended the show.

That's just bad form.

If there had been a discussion before hand that she was changing things up, then fine, so be it. But this guy had enjoyed her shows in the past exactly as they were. He was a regular who wanted another show.

If their shows in the past made her uncomfortable, good for her on eliminating that from her life. But warn a guy.

 

[Alexandra Cole]

Everything was a complete change to our usual shows, and when I did question it, I got "Being submissive didn't make me money, so now I'm going to dominate people".

Sounds like she's going to tired herself out.

You can't really dominate someone who hasn't been inspired to submit.