What is the most annoying thing a model can do?

[Falke]

Re Camming at Work: If it's someone "pretending" to be at work, to do some kind of sexy secretary stuff, I have no beef. But 'm super big into not putting people on cam whom may not know they are on cam.
I think that just comes from being into the BDSM scene for so long.

Yeah, that is what bothers me most as well. Random customers or library users haven't consented to being part of a cam show, but the sometimes models make them part of the show as a point of focus and the butt of the joke (like in BrokenFace's examples). Shows that involve flashing the pizza guy are the worst extreme of that. I don't mean to attack models who do those shows, but I'm just not comfortable watching that sort of thing.

 

[JerryBoBerry]

Re Camming at Work: If it's someone "pretending" to be at work, to do some kind of sexy secretary stuff, I have no beef. But 'm super big into not putting people on cam whom may not know they are on cam.
I think that just comes from being into the BDSM scene for so long.

Random customers or library users haven't consented to being part of a cam show,

This may differ in other countries but in America they don't have to consent. Yes, it's against mfc rules, but that's all. They have no expectation of privacy out in public and can be filmed by anyone anywhere as far as I understand it.

 

[yossarian]

Re Camming at Work: If it's someone "pretending" to be at work, to do some kind of sexy secretary stuff, I have no beef. But 'm super big into not putting people on cam whom may not know they are on cam.
I think that just comes from being into the BDSM scene for so long.

Random customers or library users haven't consented to being part of a cam show,

This may differ in other countries but in America they don't have to consent. Yes, it's against mfc rules, but that's all. They have no expectation of privacy out in public and can be filmed by anyone anywhere as far as I understand it.

Legally, that's true. But we're talking about common courtesy and decency. Like, don't put people in porn without asking them first. :thumbleft:

 

[Starling]

So we're back on this topic again, eh? :lol:



Oh man, that screenshot of the girl with the guy on cam and the totally soaked chair makes me SO FUCKING MAD. :angry4: :angry4: :angry4:

I know most of you have heard my rant on this before, but I go so far out of my way- sometimes to the point of paranoia- to make sure that people aren't on cam for even an instant and that nobody catches me or sees me in any compromising situation. I don't do cumshows in public, but I do make sure that if my panties are off, I'm sitting on the back of my skirt so there's never ANY contact between my intimate parts and an item of public property. That's not what my show is about- my show is about ME doing funny, ridiculous things in public. Not me subjugating other people to sexual contexts of which they have no knowledge or damaging property that isn't mine. And I know there are a good chunk of users who have judged me harshly or just refused to watch my library shows (or any of my other shows) because they lump them all together into the same disrespectful category, and that kinda breaks my heart. It really sucks that these girls choose to conduct themselves in a way that not only endangers themselves and others, but also reflects so poorly upon the rest of us.
:angry4:

 

[Falke]

Re Camming at Work: If it's someone "pretending" to be at work, to do some kind of sexy secretary stuff, I have no beef. But 'm super big into not putting people on cam whom may not know they are on cam.
I think that just comes from being into the BDSM scene for so long.

Random customers or library users haven't consented to being part of a cam show,

This may differ in other countries but in America they don't have to consent. Yes, it's against mfc rules, but that's all. They have no expectation of privacy out in public and can be filmed by anyone anywhere as far as I understand it.

Legally, that's true. But we're talking about common courtesy and decency. Like, don't put people in porn without asking them first. :thumbleft:

Exactly. I know that legally there's not much I can expect in terms of being filmed or recorded in a public place. But I do think it's right to get someone's consent before streaming/filming/photographing them, particularly if it's something sexual in nature.

 

[NataliaGrey]

Shows that involve flashing the pizza guy are the worst extreme of that. I don't mean to attack models who do those shows, but I'm just not comfortable watching that sort of thing.

I think this is potentially one of the least disrespectful versions of these shows. Often camgirls will call ahead and say, "Hey, you're delivering to a porn shoot! Please make sure the delivery person is over 18." so that the people know they will likely see nude people, and they can angle it so you never actually show the guy. On the other hand, a library show is a whole lot harder to control since it's not a contained environment. Of course, some people don't care to take these precautions, and that's shitty.

 

[Falke]

Shows that involve flashing the pizza guy are the worst extreme of that. I don't mean to attack models who do those shows, but I'm just not comfortable watching that sort of thing.

I think this is potentially one of the least disrespectful versions of these shows. Often camgirls will call ahead and say, "Hey, you're delivering to a porn shoot! Please make sure the delivery person is over 18." so that the people know they will likely see nude people, and they can angle it so you never actually show the guy. On the other hand, a library show is a whole lot harder to control since it's not a contained environment. Of course, some people don't care to take these precautions, and that's shitty.

Ahh, thanks for the info. I guess I should have figured that models do that given the worry about minors, but I hadn't realized that it was normal for models to warn the pizza place ahead of time. Hopefully the manager is also conscientious about the whole thing and the driver does get some choice/warning.

 

[AedanRayne]

Re Camming at Work: If it's someone "pretending" to be at work, to do some kind of sexy secretary stuff, I have no beef. But 'm super big into not putting people on cam whom may not know they are on cam.
I think that just comes from being into the BDSM scene for so long.

Yeah, that is what bothers me most as well. Random customers or library users haven't consented to being part of a cam show, but the sometimes models make them part of the show as a point of focus and the butt of the joke (like in BrokenFace's examples). Shows that involve flashing the pizza guy are the worst extreme of that. I don't mean to attack models who do those shows, but I'm just not comfortable watching that sort of thing.

I don't do many public shows but I'm not a fan of getting other people on cam (unless they're really far away and you can't see any features - like little blurs). Once I was doing a beach show (years ago) and two guys ended up fishing near me, right in the view of the cam, where I set up shop. It was funny, awkward. I ended up approaching the guys and telling them what I was doing (had friends behind the cam looking out for me), that they could move down the beach a little if they don't want to be in view. They were really stoked to be in view in the distance... it was surprising. I continued with my show and then each guy proceeds to bring me fish... small fish, big fish. They were really good sports about the whole and made it extremely funny. It was reality TV at its finest IMO.

The point of the story is... does it bother people if there's no sexual or intimate contact with strangers but they are aware of what's going on (given consent) and occasionally interact? I didn't consider, at that time, that it would turn people off or freak them out. It actually turned into a better show because those guys showed up.

*shameless promotion of that show: http://www.manyvids.com/Video/4358/Public-Cum-Adventure-at-the-Beach/

 

[Leon_Omega]

The point of the story is... does it bother people if there's no sexual or intimate contact with strangers but they are aware of what's going on (given consent) and occasionally interact? I didn't consider, at that time, that it would turn people off or freak them out. It actually turned into a better show because those guys showed up.

Not me. If they know what's going on and are cool with it, then they're consenting adults. Especially if, like your example, it akes the show more entertaining.

 

[Trollgent]

How doth a model raise her score by art and originality.....one simply plops amongst the books in our public library. 7 models at this post currently doing library shows and 4 men on cam passed by right under their nose. Gone are the days when children could play outside, now that laptop toting models go public setting courtesy aside.

Models....times are tough and the latest trend is not the greatest trend. You cease to be someone doing it for the right reasons and instead become someone who squats (both literally and figuratively) in our public places. Where our kids go to learn about dinosaurs , in parks where old people just want to sit and feed the ducks. coffee shops now festooned with sneaky fingering when once people could go reflect and ponder life's thought taking things a little bit slower and less seriously.

You have your group and girl on girl shows. can you ladies just please give us back the rest of our world instead of taking it over for "shock value" and "faux voyeurism" ?

Last and not least. Last time I checked it was illegal to expose yourself in public....I can not wait for someone to whiteknight library and public shows and tell me how doing that circumvents the law of nudity or the rights of others not to be filmed without their knowledge or consent. It is illegal and opinion can't sway law even if most cam sites like MFC have zero fucks given. Don't get me wrong I always like to see more traffic in libraries but having a model with herpes simplex B leave her "snail trail" on a public seat after garnishing her wages is also dangerous to the lives and health of others around them.

 

[LilLitaRose]

The point of the story is... does it bother people if there's no sexual or intimate contact with strangers but they are aware of what's going on (given consent) and occasionally interact? I didn't consider, at that time, that it would turn people off or freak them out. It actually turned into a better show because those guys showed up.

Not me. If they know what's going on and are cool with it, then they're consenting adults. Especially if, like your example, it akes the show more entertaining.

I'll agree, if you told the guys, and they had a chance to leave and continued to stay, I'm cool with that. It's when people don't know they're on cam is when I'm kind of squicky.

And Aedan, that sounds HILARIOUS. I wish I could've seen that live!

 

[PunkInDrublic]

And I know there are a good chunk of users who have judged me harshly or just refused to watch my library shows (or any of my other shows) because they lump them all together into the same disrespectful category, and that kinda breaks my heart.

Well, I mean, library shows are disrespectful. Obviously the model on the last page is worse than what some models do but that doesn't mean what you or others do is acceptable.

It really sucks that these girls choose to conduct themselves in a way that not only endangers themselves and others, but also reflects so poorly upon the rest of us.

lol you know models that don't do public shows could say the same thing about you, right? I get that you want to defend library shows but you can't expect people to not find your justification hilarious.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

Models that you have to remind and waste time on to get something you paid for. Like dealing with children. I rarely even bother with anything besides private shows anymore because of this. Not saying all models do this, plenty are on top of their shit. Some will find you, some have pride in their work and don't need a reminder, but too often it becomes a huge hassle.

 

[Ann_Sulu]

I don't do many public shows but I'm not a fan of getting other people on cam (unless they're really far away and you can't see any features - like little blurs). Once I was doing a beach show (years ago) and two guys ended up fishing near me, right in the view of the cam, where I set up shop. It was funny, awkward. I ended up approaching the guys and telling them what I was doing (had friends behind the cam looking out for me), that they could move down the beach a little if they don't want to be in view. They were really stoked to be in view in the distance... it was surprising. I continued with my show and then each guy proceeds to bring me fish... small fish, big fish. They were really good sports about the whole and made it extremely funny. It was reality TV at its finest IMO.

The point of the story is... does it bother people if there's no sexual or intimate contact with strangers but they are aware of what's going on (given consent) and occasionally interact? I didn't consider, at that time, that it would turn people off or freak them out. It actually turned into a better show because those guys showed up.

*shameless promotion of that show: http://www.manyvids.com/Video/4358/Public-Cum-Adventure-at-the-Beach/

I like how you handled this Aedan. I have done shows outside before (though not for a while). I used to do them when everyone was at work, and kids at school...problem was I found out the hard way the certain neighbors decided to stay home more all of a sudden, and well that was when I quit. I did plan on camming from my aptment balcony recently, but the noise from the A/C units was too loud. No one was capable of being seen from this view, and too much obstructed views of myself for them to see me doing anything offensive.

This may differ in other countries but in America they don't have to consent. Yes, it's against mfc rules, but that's all. They have no expectation of privacy out in public and can be filmed by anyone anywhere as far as I understand it.

http://www.hg.org/article.asp?id=31193

Thing is it also varies from state to state. Sure they may not need consent to be recorded, though I think that is a very horrible to do to someone without them knowing. This isn't a normal tv show, it's an adult site.

 

[Carmita Bonita]

As for public shows I'm not horribly offended when I see feet walking by or passing blurs of people in the far distance.

However, recently on MFC I saw one public library show where a LITTLE BOY was in full view at the end of the aisle and members were egging the cam girl on about it. >_> it was disturbing.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

Serious questions, why is it ok for a model to use a public library to broadcast shows on a porn site? If a dude were to use the library to watch porn, we would all agree he is a scumbag. I assume the answer is something like "it makes me money so it's ok" but I'm curious if any have a better argument/excuse. Why is it ok to go to public libraries so that those watching you on a porn site can whack off to you? What do models tell themselves to justify this behavior? I expect poor behavior from people 18-22 but how are grown ass women not embarrassed to be doing this? Seriously, someone try and help me understand this. Beating the shit out of this dead horse but I really don't get it.

 

[Trollgent]

I am not opposed to beating a dead horse but I just have to maintain that it is 1130 pm in the god damn night and on mfc we have someone who is at a 24hr library (as illegitimate as a sketchy 24 hour library sounds). This is just disturbing gone to the point of pathetically sad where I no longer feel the need to add humor or satire. The model in question I won't even name even has a section on her profile "library show" prostrated proudly for those to see. I guess the C in mfc doesn't stand for Class.

 

[KayleePond]

I am not opposed to beating a dead horse but I just have to maintain that it is 1130 pm in the god damn night and on mfc we have someone who is at a 24hr library (as illegitimate as a sketchy 24 hour library sounds). This is just disturbing gone to the point of pathetically sad where I no longer feel the need to add humor or satire. The model in question I won't even name even has a section on her profile "library show" prostrated proudly for those to see. I guess the C in mfc doesn't stand for Class.

Wait what? How does it being later at night make it's level of class change? (Which, btw, I don't think anyone will ever be calling MFC "Classy", which is fine by me.)

I would say that later at night means less of what you might find most distasteful, which is involving any other people.

I really have zero interest in getting into it about library/public shows, but I have to say that it being "late at night" is just silly. Libraries are famously open late at schools so that's not really shady, that's just being an awesome library.

 

[Mirah]

I am not opposed to beating a dead horse but I just have to maintain that it is 1130 pm in the god damn night and on mfc we have someone who is at a 24hr library (as illegitimate as a sketchy 24 hour library sounds). This is just disturbing gone to the point of pathetically sad where I no longer feel the need to add humor or satire. The model in question I won't even name even has a section on her profile "library show" prostrated proudly for those to see. I guess the C in mfc doesn't stand for Class.

Wait what? How does it being later at night make it's level of class change? (Which, btw, I don't think anyone will ever be calling MFC "Classy", which is fine by me.)

I would say that later at night means less of what you might find most distasteful, which is involving any other people.

I really have zero interest in getting into it about library/public shows, but I have to say that it being "late at night" is just silly. Libraries are famously open late at schools so that's not really shady, that's just being an awesome library.

MY FREE CLASS.
maybe I should do a show in a classroom? but not at night....

 

[Gen]

Serious questions, why is it ok for a model to use a public library to broadcast shows on a porn site? If a dude were to use the library to watch porn, we would all agree he is a scumbag. I assume the answer is something like "it makes me money so it's ok" but I'm curious if any have a better argument/excuse. Why is it ok to go to public libraries so that those watching you on a porn site can whack off to you? What do models tell themselves to justify this behavior? I expect poor behavior from people 18-22 but how are grown ass women not embarrassed to be doing this? Seriously, someone try and help me understand this. Beating the shit out of this dead horse but I really don't get it.

I've never done a public show - but I would guess the answer would be that they don't consider MFC to be a porn site, or that because they aren't doing anything specifically pornographic it doesn't matter? (For the girls who aren't doing nudity or whatever, not sure about the ones who do.) That's just my guess, though.

 

[Trollgent]

Serious questions, why is it ok for a model to use a public library to broadcast shows on a porn site? If a dude were to use the library to watch porn, we would all agree he is a scumbag. I assume the answer is something like "it makes me money so it's ok" but I'm curious if any have a better argument/excuse. Why is it ok to go to public libraries so that those watching you on a porn site can whack off to you? What do models tell themselves to justify this behavior? I expect poor behavior from people 18-22 but how are grown ass women not embarrassed to be doing this? Seriously, someone try and help me understand this. Beating the shit out of this dead horse but I really don't get it.

I've never done a public show - but I would guess the answer would be that they don't consider MFC to be a porn site, or that because they aren't doing anything specifically pornographic it doesn't matter? (For the girls who aren't doing nudity or whatever, not sure about the ones who do.) That's just my guess, though.

We are not talking about non nude things gen so I do not see how your post gives relevance or valid input. Not being vindictive or chastising but this is about "ladies" and I use that term in the loosest of fashions flashing their gash for cash ILLEGALLY in public. Anyone who argues semantics over the possibility of being caught or not to justify following the law is in my personal opinion lacking in mental faculties that are essential to day to day life of normal sane people.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

Re Camming at Work: If it's someone "pretending" to be at work, to do some kind of sexy secretary stuff, I have no beef. But 'm super big into not putting people on cam whom may not know they are on cam.
I think that just comes from being into the BDSM scene for so long.

Random customers or library users haven't consented to being part of a cam show,

This may differ in other countries but in America they don't have to consent. Yes, it's against mfc rules, but that's all. They have no expectation of privacy out in public and can be filmed by anyone anywhere as far as I understand it.

Nope not true with respect to camming. You are right you don't have to get someones permission to film them when they are out in public. The issue, which is the case with respect to lots of things in camming, is that the camgirl and MFC are making money. Many intellectual property right rules, as well as rights of privacy and publicity change when there is money involved. You can not use a person image without their permission in a commercial setting period.

Imagine you sell sunglass and you take a picture of celebrity or pretty girl wearing one of your sunglasses, you can't put up billboards with that persons image without getting them to sign a model release form, you can't even put it on company website. You could put it on twitter, and your personal facebook (probably) but not your companies Facebook page.

The right to privacy

The gist of the privacy right is that you get to control information about you. At its heart is what Louis Brandeis (with coauthor Samuel Warren) summed up, way back in 1890 before he was a Supreme Court Justice, as "the right to be left alone." (I’m paraphrasing there.) The right to privacy is invaded by:

unreasonable intrusion upon the seclusion of another (for example, photographing someone through the window of their house, unbeknownst to them); or
appropriation of another’s name or likeness; or
unreasonable publicity given to another’s private life; or
publicity that unreasonably places another in a false light before the public.

Imagine some a person in the background of a fairly noisy library cumshow, part of the entertainment value of the show is the persons reactions, how can't the guy figure out what is going on a few feet away. The show is capped and goes viral on tube site. Clearly this is negative publicity for the person involved, Joe does porn. They could sue both MFC, and the model, and probably the capper. Even if it was non nude show, they could sue but damages would be harder to prove.

 

[Gen]

Serious questions, why is it ok for a model to use a public library to broadcast shows on a porn site? If a dude were to use the library to watch porn, we would all agree he is a scumbag. I assume the answer is something like "it makes me money so it's ok" but I'm curious if any have a better argument/excuse. Why is it ok to go to public libraries so that those watching you on a porn site can whack off to you? What do models tell themselves to justify this behavior? I expect poor behavior from people 18-22 but how are grown ass women not embarrassed to be doing this? Seriously, someone try and help me understand this. Beating the shit out of this dead horse but I really don't get it.

I've never done a public show - but I would guess the answer would be that they don't consider MFC to be a porn site, or that because they aren't doing anything specifically pornographic it doesn't matter? (For the girls who aren't doing nudity or whatever, not sure about the ones who do.) That's just my guess, though.

We are not talking about non nude things gen so I do not see how your post gives relevance or valid input. Not being vindictive or chastising but this is about "ladies" and I use that term in the loosest of fashions flashing their gash for cash ILLEGALLY in public. Anyone who argues semantics over the possibility of being caught or not to justify following the law is in my personal opinion lacking in mental faculties that are essential to day to day life of normal sane people.

I was responding to Punk's questions, which mentioned nothing about nudity, and as this topic has been brought up before I know that he feels the same way about all public shows, regardless of whether there is nudity or not. My post was relevant to that :thumbleft:

 

[PunkInDrublic]

I've never done a public show - but I would guess the answer would be that they don't consider MFC to be a porn site, or that because they aren't doing anything specifically pornographic it doesn't matter? (For the girls who aren't doing nudity or whatever, not sure about the ones who do.) That's just my guess, though.

Yeah seen both of those said here before and while hilarious, not a very good argument. Especially the porn site one. I doubt any argument exists that could make library shows acceptable to me so I'll just give up on the topic. If these silly things they tell themselves can somehow make them not feel bad about their poor behavior, cool. I just hate when people start to actually believe the bullshit they tell themselves.

 

[JoleneBrody]

(Which, btw, I don't think anyone will ever be calling MFC "Classy", which is fine by me.)

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HEY NOW! I put stuff in my butt in THE CLASSIEST way possible this evening. LUBED PINKIES TO THE SKY! :lol:

 

[LilLitaRose]

I guess I need to do my best to class it up and have a nice cup of tea and twirly mustache while I'm doing a hitachi show and reading some bad porn.

 

[JimsX]

I guess I need to do my best to class it up and have a nice cup of tea and twirly mustache while I'm doing a hitachi show and reading some bad porn.

In a British accent please.

 

[LilLitaRose]

Of course.

 

[LaceyRoyce]

Yeah seen both of those said here before and while hilarious, not a very good argument. Especially the porn site one. I doubt any argument exists that could make library shows acceptable to me so I'll just give up on the topic. If these silly things they tell themselves can somehow make them not feel bad about their poor behavior, cool. I just hate when people start to actually believe the bullshit they tell themselves.

I KNOW this is a dead horse and th at PiD goes round in circles on this. Food for thought:

broadcasting is different from watching porn.

Lets take a non-nude non-sexual show in a library:

I take pictures of myself in public places all the time. I post them to my twitter feed and my website - both of which are 'porn' sites. Is this disrespectful?

I don't see how taking a picture at a library, and posting it on a porn site is any different than broadcasting live from a library. Video is just a series of pictures..


Essentially - the line is fuzzy and people draw it differently.

If these silly things they tell themselves can somehow make them not feel bad about their poor behavior, cool. I just hate when people start to actually believe the bullshit they tell themselves.

Just because someone sees something differently than you do, does not mean they are 'telling themselves' something to make them feel better about something they must feel deep down in their conscience is bad. Conscience is a personal thing.

I've also been told that broadcasting my body on a porn site from the privacy of my own home is disrespectful to women and that "i just tell myself its not to make myself feel better". The person that told me that genuinely feels that to be true for their own conscience. But telling ME that i must feel that way also somehow.. is just silly. Just because you can't wrap your head around how someone else feels, does not mean they must actually feel differently somehow. It just means you are unable to understand their point of view.

We all have deeply held beliefs about respect.
I personally CANNOT wrap my head around sexualizing religion/making a mockery of it. (ex: sexy nun costumes). I feel it to be deeply disrespectful and offensive.

HOWEVER, I am not going to tell anyone that they must be 'telling themselves that its not to make themselves feel better about their poor behavior" because I'm pretty sure they just don't see it the same way I do.

It actually doesn't change anything about my beliefs, and it doesn't threaten them to acknowledge that someone else might have a deeply-held belief that they feel is true.

 

[KayleePond]

Wait what? How does it being later at night make it's level of class change?

The most annoying thing a model can do is use the wrong its/it's, there/their/they're, your/you're. I'M A MONSTER!! :crybaby: :crybaby: :crybaby:

(I want to note I don't mind as much if someone else typos, but I cringe so hard when I see my own typos.)

(Which, btw, I don't think anyone will ever be calling MFC "Classy", which is fine by me.)

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HEY NOW! I put stuff in my butt in THE CLASSIEST way possible this evening. LUBED PINKIES TO THE SKY! :lol:

And JJ, you definitely put the ASS in class! HEYOoOOooOOOoO!!! :lol:

I will see myself out now. Good day.