WARNING: You *will* be recorded now, constantly.

[Anonymous]

You can't be serious. You are in every trainwreck thread insulting people and hating and ganging up on posters. Or you're thanking every post that has hate or insults. I like to stand up for people when others are bullying them and insulting them. I'm usually defending and not picking on the people you call names. I'm gone for reals this time.

The only people I've seen you defend are the cappers, and probably even the creepers (guys who admit to stalkerish behavior). You actually got mad at a model on here once for referring to cappers as 'scum'. Seriously, dude? Yeah, you just come on here looking to argue, and I know for a fact that other people find you pretty fucking annoying (and no, I'm not talking about Nordling).

Why are you so interested in the types of posts that I thank? Does it upset you that much when other people don't agree with you? Get over yourself. You are not the stand up guy that you try to make yourself out to be. You come here for the trainwreck threads, and you instigate because you enjoy getting a reaction. I actually don't enjoy arguing with people on here. See the difference?

You have seen me - and many others on here (so don't even try to single me out) - insult people who we, for the most part, considered TROLLS. And I will never apologize for "insulting" a troll.

Are you sure you're ready to leave the thread? You've said that twice now. Are you staying or going? Let's stop it with the phony dramatic exits now...

 

[JerryBoBerry]

-- The only people I've seen you defend are the cappers, and probably even the creepers (guys who admit to stalkerish behavior).

-- You actually got mad at a model on here once for referring to cappers as 'scum'.

-- Yeah, you just come on here looking to argue, and I know for a fact that other people find you pretty fucking annoying (and no, I'm not talking about Nordling).

-- Are you sure you're ready to leave the thread? You've said that twice now. Are you staying or going? Let's stop it with the phony dramatic exits now...

Tell us how you really feel.

:lol:

 

[Nordling]

OT but a little bit about "opinions."

There is nothing holy or special about opinions. An opinion is only as good as the facts (if any) that back it up. If you have a shitty opinion, you should expect to have that opinion attacked. This does not mean you are hated as a human, it just means your opinion is shitty.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

The only people I've seen you defend are the cappers, and probably even the creepers (guys who admit to stalkerish behavior). You actually got mad at a model on here once for referring to cappers as 'scum'. Seriously, dude? Yeah, you just come on here looking to argue, and I know for a fact that other people find you pretty fucking annoying (and no, I'm not talking about Nordling).
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I didn't actually defend the cappers and would never defend any stalkerish behaviors. That's ok if people find me annoying. I and some others find you to be annoying. I think you're probably the worst female poster this board has. No big deal.

Get over yourself. You are not the stand up guy that you try to make yourself out to be.

I'm not trying to make myself out to be anything.

 

[Nordling]

The only people I've seen you defend are the cappers, and probably even the creepers (guys who admit to stalkerish behavior). You actually got mad at a model on here once for referring to cappers as 'scum'. Seriously, dude? Yeah, you just come on here looking to argue, and I know for a fact that other people find you pretty fucking annoying (and no, I'm not talking about Nordling).
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I didn't actually defend the cappers and would never defend any stalkerish behaviors. That's ok if people find me annoying. I and some others find you to be annoying. I think you're probably the worst female poster this board has. No big deal.

Get over yourself. You are not the stand up guy that you try to make yourself out to be.

I'm not trying to make myself out to be anything.

So much for Mr. YouPostHateButNotMe.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

Sorry. I shouldn't have stooped to her level.

 

[Anonymous]

I and some others find you to be annoying. I think you're probably the worst female poster this board has. No big deal.

Yeah, because a female who actually speaks up for herself (and doesn't agree with you and thank all of your posts) or tries to defend someone else...is a horrible forum poster, right? LOL. I definitely don't need people like you to like me...

 

[AllisonWilder]

 

[Anonymous]

So much for Mr. YouPostHateButNotMe.

See, what he's doing is instigating. He thinks that he's gonna piss me off enough to resort to name-calling, because he was unable to back up his earlier accusations. But I'm just gonna go downstairs and eat my French fries, and see if Law and Order SVU is on.

 

[Sevrin]

 

[JerryBoBerry]

 

[LadyLuna]

My response when someone points out a video of me from a capper:

"If it's a tease video, please put my name and this site in the description so interested people can find me and see more! If it's explicit, (stuff going in one of my holes), then please let the site know the link so they can take it down. Thank you!" *blow kiss*

 

[UncleThursday]

I agree 98% with what he has to say, only because I don't think it hurts to care a tiny bit but honestly, I think a lot of models are just hurting themselves the more they fight. Some of the most outspoken models on fighting cappers are also the most capped, and majority of that capping started after the war began because people do it just to spite the person who obviously hates it.
He makes a very valid point that I honestly wish more girls would take to heart, mostly because I hate to see any of my fellow models get so upset and bothered by anything. Especially something this abundant.

Hear hear!

I remember when a model was fairly new, but also quickly rising in camscore, she had PMed me saying one of her shows got capped. A shower show. She doesn't do public cum shows or anything of the sort. But, it did upset her. My only response was, that it's going to happen, and she needs to have some thick skin about it.

Having thick skin, however, doesn't mean completely throw it away from your mind. It's just that potential capping is the white elephant in the room. Everyone knows it's there, but no one wants to acknowledge it. Nothing short of firing out a death ray to send out to every capper's computer that instantly vaporizes them is going to stop it. And that's probably a loooooooong way off. It's like TV and movies that get posted online, or music. It's going to happen. It may not happen to everyone, or all the time; but it is going to happen to someone at least some of the time.

If models beat themselves up about the caps, they're going to go insane. They're going to not want to do anything on cam. And they're going to end up not enjoying the time they are on cam and potentially making money.

Like JJ said, the ones who complain the most vocally about it, end up being the ones capped the most. Shy is capped often, as an example. But this is why she doesn't show her face in regular privates or her rare groups, only true privates. But, she has also been very vocal about the caps... so the cycle continues.

Will a model be capped? The potential is always there. Does it mean they always will be capped? No. If you get a link thrown your way, send it to MFC and let them try to deal with it, if it is a MFC cap. But driving yourself batshit crazy trying to find your capped shows online isn't going to stop them from being online, somewhere, or do you any good in the long run.

 

[bawksy]

It's kind of funny that everyone is up in arms about random cappers across the net who can't legally make money from their recordings, because everyone is forgetting about MFC itself. Remember, MFC owns the rights to any stream that passes through their servers. I wonder how long it will be before MFC starts monetizing its archive of recorded cam shows. I don't think they record EVERY show all the time, but I wouldn't be surprised if MFC had some mechanism in place to automatically start saving any cam show that got more than 1000 viewers or something, to use in a "best of" DVD release or the like. What are all you complainers going to do in 20 years when some new owner of MFC decides to start releasing all the old footage?

 

[IsabellaSnow]

It's kind of funny that everyone is up in arms about random cappers across the net who can't legally make money from their recordings, because everyone is forgetting about MFC itself. Remember, MFC owns the rights to any stream that passes through their servers. I wonder how long it will be before MFC starts monetizing its archive of recorded cam shows. I don't think they record EVERY show all the time, but I wouldn't be surprised if MFC had some mechanism in place to automatically start saving any cam show that got more than 1000 viewers or something, to use in a "best of" DVD release or the like. What are all you complainers going to do in 20 years when some new owner of MFC decides to start releasing all the old footage?

No point. Myfreecams makes a LOT of money off models as everyone well knows. They don't need to record camshows and piss off a bunch of models to do this. Much better for them to just keep gathering the income.

If in say, 20 years Myfreecams is still going and they're still making money, how do you think all the top models in 20 years time would feel if all these videos started getting sold of models 20 years before? Not only there's the "who the fuck will care about 20 year old shows?" when cam quality will be vastly superior in 20 years time to what it is now, but if I knew for a fact now that every show I do now will suddenly be sold as porn on a wide scale when I'm in my 40s, probably living a totally different life with a family, I would quit. I think chances are these future models bringing Mfc its millions would also feel pretty peeved.
I seriously doubt selling a load of shitty quality camshows of models that no one can even remember in 20 years time would be worth pissing off and potentially losing a fuck load of working models, deterring future models, and probably also pissing off a load of tippers. Yes, they probably could do it, but it wouldn't be worth it. I'm also not entirely sure of the legality of it. Yes myfreecams owns the streams, but I'm not sure they own the right to sell the streams separately without the models knowledge or consent, especially without giving them their share in the commission. I'm also not sure if the company changed hands or changed if the contracts would still be valid.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

No point. Myfreecams makes a LOT of money off models as everyone well knows. They don't need to record camshows and piss off a bunch of models to do this. Much better for them to just keep gathering the income.

What about if/when they decide to sell or use the private shows archive? I don't think mfc really cares about pissing off models because even if they piss off a bunch plenty of women will still be willing to cam. The model needs mfc more than mfc needs the model. Endless supply of women willing to get naked on cam. I'm sure whoever is in charge will do what's best for business and not really put much thought into angering an easily replaceable product.

 

[LilyEvans]

Well, regardless of whether models like it or not we all signed a contract giving them the right to use and reproduce our stream in any way they deem fit. If a model is not willing to accept that they may do this she should not have signed the contract agreeing to it.

However, we signed NO contract conceding any such rights to third parties. That's why people are upset. Of course it's GOING to happen. People will always steal things, but that doesn't mean it's ok or that you have to just accept and allow it.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

No point. Myfreecams makes a LOT of money off models as everyone well knows. They don't need to record camshows and piss off a bunch of models to do this. Much better for them to just keep gathering the income.

What about if/when they decide to sell or use the private shows archive? I don't think mfc really cares about pissing off models because even if they piss off a bunch plenty of women will still be willing to cam. The model needs mfc more than mfc needs the model. Endless supply of women willing to get naked on cam. I'm sure whoever is in charge will do what's best for business and not really put much thought into angering an easily replaceable product.

Mmmm there's one thing upsetting a couple of models and another thing threatening all models with this kind of thing. There are plenty of women who want to cam, but there are also plenty of camsites/people wanting to start camsites ready. If a site starts treating all models very badly/endangering their real lives and their future lives in a very real way then yes I do think it would stop models working for the site. Most models aren't that desperate for a camsite to work on. Yes many models are in need of income and are willing to take their clothes off for it, but there are certain risks that plenty of models don't like taking. Sure you might get women willing to work for them, but it's the bulk of the top models and members that you don't really want to piss off. If Mfc got a reputation for that kind of thing it would deter models signing up in the first place.
Mfc doesn't seem to make the bulk of its money of really desperate women with little standards. It seems to be making the bulk of its money of clever, intuitive and beautiful women who would have other options of camsites but currently choose to work on mfc for various reasons. If those things changed about the site them wishing to work there might also change.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

Mmmm there's one thing upsetting a couple of models and another thing threatening all models with this kind of thing. There are plenty of women who want to cam, but there are also plenty of camsites/people wanting to start camsites ready. If a site starts treating all models very badly/endangering their real lives and their future lives in a very real way then yes I do think it would stop models working for the site. Most models aren't that desperate for a camsite to work on. Yes many models are in need of income and are willing to take their clothes off for it, but there are certain risks that plenty of models don't like taking. Sure you might get women willing to work for them, but it's the bulk of the top models and members that you don't really want to piss off. If Mfc got a reputation for that kind of thing it would deter models signing up in the first place.
Mfc doesn't seem to make the bulk of its money of really desperate women with little standards. It seems to be making the bulk of its money of clever, intuitive and beautiful women who would have other options of camsites but currently choose to work on mfc for various reasons. If those things changed about the site them wishing to work there might also change.

Models seem to work wherever they can make the most money. If they were really worried about shows being recorded and later sold by the site I don't even know where they could work. If mfc does something for business that some models don't like it doesn't matter because those models are replaceable. As long as mfc has a big customer base, beautiful women will flock there.

 

[emptiedglass]

I think that if they were to start selling archived private shows, the members who paid for them might get rather upset as well.
In other news, I recently had a model friend ask me to find her capped shows on the internet and give her a list of any and all sites that trade them. At least, that's what I made of the conversation... her English isn't the greatest.
While I'm not in the habit of seeking that stuff out, I told her I'd let her know if I found anything. I also suggested to her that she check out this forum & sign up as a model.

 

[JoleneBrody]

Mmmm there's one thing upsetting a couple of models and another thing threatening all models with this kind of thing. There are plenty of women who want to cam, but there are also plenty of camsites/people wanting to start camsites ready. If a site starts treating all models very badly/endangering their real lives and their future lives in a very real way then yes I do think it would stop models working for the site. Most models aren't that desperate for a camsite to work on. Yes many models are in need of income and are willing to take their clothes off for it, but there are certain risks that plenty of models don't like taking. Sure you might get women willing to work for them, but it's the bulk of the top models and members that you don't really want to piss off. If Mfc got a reputation for that kind of thing it would deter models signing up in the first place.
Mfc doesn't seem to make the bulk of its money of really desperate women with little standards. It seems to be making the bulk of its money of clever, intuitive and beautiful women who would have other options of camsites but currently choose to work on mfc for various reasons. If those things changed about the site them wishing to work there might also change.

Models seem to work wherever they can make the most money. If they were really worried about shows being recorded and later sold by the site I don't even know where they could work. If mfc does something for business that some models don't like it doesn't matter because those models are replaceable. As long as mfc has a big customer base, beautiful women will flock there.

As much as I don't think a lot of the top earners are easily replaceable, you are correct and Streamate is a great example. SM not only sells recorded shows right on the site without passing any of the profit onto the models, they also post them for free on tube sites as part of promotion while only paying out 35%. SM is also the only other cam site that is even remotely comparable to MFC, reputation wise. Models look past this, even though most don't like it because SM has amazing traffic and makes up for it in paying members.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

Streamate use to have a deal where you could watch archived shows for like 15 bucks a month. Cams gives you access to tons of archived shows if you join a models fan club. Members don't seem to care.

 

[AmberCutie]

Streamate use to have a deal where you could watch archived shows for like 15 bucks a month. Cams gives you access to tons of archived shows if you join a models fan club. Members don't seem to care.

Fan clubs were the only good thing about working on cams.com until they started requiring the model to work a certain number of hours each month to make any money off of it. That, and them getting super strict on rules and being douchey about it, was the reason I ultimately stopped working there completely.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

Impossible not to join some models fan club. 9.99 a minute for non fans or 1.99 for fans. They assume I'm just going to forget about the charges and they are usually right. Awesome deal when you find models you want to spent a lot of time with tho. I thought models made fan club money no matter what the way some tried to force it. Pretty cool deal for the models that do spend the required amount of time.

 

[AmberCutie]

Impossible not to join some models fan club. 9.99 a minute for non fans or 1.99 for fans. They assume I'm just going to forget about the charges and they are usually right. Awesome deal when you find models you want to spent a lot of time with tho. I thought models made fan club money no matter what the way some tried to force it. Pretty cool deal for the models that do spend the required amount of time.

Yeah it was a great recurring income when I was actually getting paid out for them, and for models who actually spend a normal amount of time on cam on that site it's still a great thing. But I liked to use that as my backup site, so once I dropped to like 20 hours a month I made 0 on my fan clubs.

It's a good system for the members for sure.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

How many hours does it require for a payout? Bigger percentage for more hours?

 

[AmberCutie]

How many hours does it require for a payout? Bigger percentage for more hours?

Even though I haven't broadcasted there in over a year, I still have a log in to the model section. Woot. But as you can see, since I was only doing less than 20 hours a month I was getting 0% of the fan club signups I was getting. And I was doing pretty well with those, so it was a bummer that I missed out.

 

[UncleThursday]

How many hours does it require for a payout? Bigger percentage for more hours?

Even though I haven't broadcasted there in over a year, I still have a log in to the model section. Woot. But as you can see, since I was only doing less than 20 hours a month I was getting 0% of the fan club signups I was getting. And I was doing pretty well with those, so it was a bummer that I missed out.

You only gotta work 80 hours by tomorrow to get paid! That's cake! :lol:

 

[AmberCutie]

How many hours does it require for a payout? Bigger percentage for more hours?

Even though I haven't broadcasted there in over a year, I still have a log in to the model section. Woot. But as you can see, since I was only doing less than 20 hours a month I was getting 0% of the fan club signups I was getting. And I was doing pretty well with those, so it was a bummer that I missed out.

You only gotta work 80 hours by tomorrow to get paid! That's cake! :lol:

Every day that I logged in, that message totally DAUNTED me. I actually hate that site because of that and their stupid rules.

"hey AmberLynne, you showed your dog on cam for 30 seconds, you've been WARNED" "oh hey AmberLynne you left your cam for 60 seconds (to pee) without turning off your cam, YOU'VE BEEN WARNED and will be suspended next time you do this."

Oh yah cams.com? Well FUCK YOU because MFC doesn't care if I do that and they pay me a much better % than you so eat your own shit.

Sorry... did I get carried away? I may dislike them a little bit. Especially after their brilliant tech team fucked up my bio/profile page for nearly 2 months while I called and complained to them DAILY and they couldn't figure out how to update it. Amateurs.

/end rant

Woo, I feel better!

 

[UncleLewis]

I think these massive archives of shows will be a real problem somewhere down the line. Why is it that Big-box web content providers' claim to a copyright over their models content "for all eternity across the known universe" can not be subject to a serious legal challenge? Models who leave the business ought to be able to get their VOD shows removed at some point. Otherwise they will be facing the problem of many former porn stars whose new careers (especially in education, nursing etc) are destroyed by a vid they made a decade ago resurfacing out of the blue. This is also a problem with the pirate forums, where devoted cappers are reposting the shows of their favorite models from two, three, five years ago. They call it "owning a cam-girl" but it can destroy somebody's attempt to rebuild their life - as happened to "Mary" the former cam-model owner of the Lilian Studio in Petrozavodsk, Keralia after she immigrated to Australia and was outed on the "sniper forum" when she was a contestant in a "World's Best Job" competition. There has to be a better answer than simply telling people, "You shouda read the fine print on that contract more closely" - especially if you're an Eastern European studio model who doesn't read English all that well, or had your studio admin robo-sign the release form for you.