WARNING: You *will* be recorded now, constantly.

[Just Me]

I find links every day and I "DCMA MUTHERFUCKER" them hard.

Except, unless they are recording you from your own personal website, you don't actually have the legal right to try and send a DMCA notice. The website you were working on at the time of the capture owns that copyright, and they are the only ones who can send out DMCA notices. In fact, if you were to actually send a notice to a website for a show captured from a site you were working on, you could have a counter claim of a false DMCA claim brought against you.

I've done a pretty good job of working around that, I think. I do have a website (http://www.missmanymetal.com) and I stream my live cam there as well. So if you have recorded ANY of my live shows, they also appear on my website, and therefore are subject to DCMA.

Or...at least I tried. lol.

First, your link to your website does not work. Secondly, and this continues with UncleThursday's point, you do not own the copyright to your live shows if they are done on MFC. If you are are streaming your time on MFC to another website, YOU are in copyright violation and breaking the terms of the contract you signed with MFC.

 

[Shaun__]

I find links every day and I "DCMA MUTHERFUCKER" them hard.

Except, unless they are recording you from your own personal website, you don't actually have the legal right to try and send a DMCA notice. The website you were working on at the time of the capture owns that copyright, and they are the only ones who can send out DMCA notices. In fact, if you were to actually send a notice to a website for a show captured from a site you were working on, you could have a counter claim of a false DMCA claim brought against you.

I've done a pretty good job of working around that, I think. I do have a website (http://www.missmanymetal.com) and I stream my live cam there as well. So if you have recorded ANY of my live shows, they also appear on my website, and therefore are subject to DCMA.

Or...at least I tried. lol.

First, your link to your website does not work. Secondly, and this continues with UncleThursday's point, you do not own the copyright to your live shows if they are done on MFC. If you are are streaming your time on MFC to another website, YOU are in copyright violation and breaking the terms of the contract you signed with MFC.

I think MFC allows models to cam from multiple sites at once, so I do not think it would be against the rules for a model to stream from a personal site at the same time.

 

[Nordling]

I find links every day and I "DCMA MUTHERFUCKER" them hard.

Except, unless they are recording you from your own personal website, you don't actually have the legal right to try and send a DMCA notice. The website you were working on at the time of the capture owns that copyright, and they are the only ones who can send out DMCA notices. In fact, if you were to actually send a notice to a website for a show captured from a site you were working on, you could have a counter claim of a false DMCA claim brought against you.

I've done a pretty good job of working around that, I think. I do have a website (http://www.missmanymetal.com) and I stream my live cam there as well. So if you have recorded ANY of my live shows, they also appear on my website, and therefore are subject to DCMA.

Or...at least I tried. lol.

First, your link to your website does not work. Secondly, and this continues with UncleThursday's point, you do not own the copyright to your live shows if they are done on MFC. If you are are streaming your time on MFC to another website, YOU are in copyright violation and breaking the terms of the contract you signed with MFC.

I think MFC allows models to cam from multiple sites at once, so I do not think it would be against the rules for a model to stream from a personal site at the same time.

Yeah, or at least don't enforce it if they do. I know tons of models split their camming to two or more sites, including MFC. I wouldn't pretend to know jack about the enforceability even if they do have such a rule. After all, MFC can only claim ownership of that one stream that enters and is rebroadcast by their equipment, if a model splits her stream from her computer into different streams and sends each to a different cam site, how can they claim to own the "other" stream? She's not copying her MFC stream and rebroadcasting it, she's sending two separate streams...albeit very similar.

 

[LadyLuna]

MFC owns the video feed.

If you have two cameras, MFC only owns the feed from the one going through MFC.

 

[UncleThursday]

I've done a pretty good job of working around that, I think. I do have a website (http://www.missmanymetal.com) and I stream my live cam there as well. So if you have recorded ANY of my live shows, they also appear on my website, and therefore are subject to DCMA.

Or...at least I tried. lol.

First, your link to your website does not work. Secondly, and this continues with UncleThursday's point, you do not own the copyright to your live shows if they are done on MFC. If you are are streaming your time on MFC to another website, YOU are in copyright violation and breaking the terms of the contract you signed with MFC.

That may not be entirely accurate, about her being in copyright violation. MFC is one of the few sites that says models can be working there and other sites at the same time. So, technically, she could also stream to her own site at the same time.

However, the kicker is, how to prove the stream was taken from her site and not MFC/another site she is working for. And that will be difficult to prove, especially if her site stream has very few viewers while the same feed is also going to MFC/site working for.

MFC specifically owns the copyright on the stream that gets shown through it-- which means the actual stream going through their software and servers. A duplicate stream going somewhere else may not be subject to that copyright. But, legalities of that, plus contract law probably muddy the water a bit. However, if the capped vid shows anything at all that is specific to MFC, like the Away status, webcam disconnected status, private or group show status, then it is very clearly taken from the MFC stream, and not hers... unless she is literally just streaming the MFC stream to her website in some fashion. In which case, yes, she would be in violation of MFC's copyright by redirecting the stream.

This is probably where the issue would require some legal advice from someone specialized in contract law and someone specialized in copyright law.

But I would assume that any capped show would be taken from MFC over her own website. Not to sound mean, but I highly doubt her own website gets anywhere near the traffic of MFC and cappers would find it much easier to cap from MFC than trying to go looking for a model's personal website to cap live shows from.

The problem with copyright law is in how certain entities (read: big media) can get away with a lot more than other entities (read: not big media). Technically, copyright law states that it is the duty of the copyright holder to prove their copyright has been infringed upon, not the duty of the person being accused of infringement to prove their innocence. However, big media often gets the leeway in the assumption that their copyright is infringed upon, without them needing to show proof.

Since neither the models being capped nor the sites they work for are big media, they would receive no such leeway and would have to prove their ownership much more dutifully.

 

[Greggory]

Sorry I could be wrong, but I always thought that despite MFC having the rights to the copyright they specifically didn't own the copyright (rather the model retains the copyright). I thought MFC did this, as models who play music while camming won't be causing a major problem for MFC...as if MFC owned full ownership (ie author of the work) to it, then they could be held liable for infringement claims.

If I happen to be right then both MFC and the model have the right to send DMCA requests, as the model remains the copyright author, and MFC owns the right to distribute and us as they please the copyrighted work.

With that said, personally the only way I could see this guy stopping is not by criminal proceedings/civil suits against him for copyright infringement (instead of DMCA's)...thereby cutting off the head of the snake. Similar to MegaUpload's Kim Dotcom being charged, due to knowingly allowing his company to infringe on copyright holder's rights. Guys like this won't learn and will always have a means to re-register with upload sites and keep tormenting those who hate seeing themselves exposed on the internet. The only way to stop them is taking away their means of doing so (ie jail/court order/bankruptcy through civil suits).

 

[Grritz]

Ok for starters I have been helping for some time to have take downs done for my favorite models. i do not do the DMCA myself, I scout them out and pass them on to another. This keeps me from getting banned and allows me total freedom to hunt. Recently I found http://www.[site name banned*7].org/videos/porn this site has everything recorded from MFC as far back as about March and has posts back further to last year. Today I found this post http://www.[site name banned*7].org/videos/porn/13 ... -sub-forum It is already dead
:clap on the speedy removal . My point is this, he admits to hacking this site.

Simple phpBB SQL Injection opened the door for me to generate the SiteRIP. I couldn't believe it only took me 3 minutes to get into it, I've never seen such loose security configurations before.

This is a criminal offence, not only does this guy record all of MFC but he has now attacked your own forum. He tells us that any takedown order is illegal yet he is breaking the law himself. Maybe the way to have everything taken down is not to do it vid by vid but has him displaced. If he is in jail he can not continue to record. If he is denied access to the web he will not be able to operate. If his hardware is removed he will have nothing to work on. From what i have seen so far it should be easy for experts in the field of Cyber Crime to find him. he has recorded dozens of siteRIPs and 1000s of vids from camgirl sites. My lady alone has over 70 recorded +4Gigs of video and I have seen 250+ with some MFC models. The more complaints you forward to the authorities, the greater you chance are to take him out.

It only takes one spark to start a raging fire, and this asshat just used a flamethrower :twocents-02cents:

PS. I noticed that the links are not working but for your info the site is file guide

 

[LilyMarie]

PS. I noticed that the links are not working but for your info the site is

There is a reason the name of the site gets censored on this forum. Why did you think your links are "not working"?

 

[MandyMetal]

I find links every day and I "DCMA MUTHERFUCKER" them hard.

Except, unless they are recording you from your own personal website, you don't actually have the legal right to try and send a DMCA notice. The website you were working on at the time of the capture owns that copyright, and they are the only ones who can send out DMCA notices. In fact, if you were to actually send a notice to a website for a show captured from a site you were working on, you could have a counter claim of a false DMCA claim brought against you.

I've done a pretty good job of working around that, I think. I do have a website (http://www.missmanymetal.com) and I stream my live cam there as well. So if you have recorded ANY of my live shows, they also appear on my website, and therefore are subject to DCMA.

Or...at least I tried. lol.

First, your link to your website does not work. Secondly, and this continues with UncleThursday's point, you do not own the copyright to your live shows if they are done on MFC. If you are are streaming your time on MFC to another website, YOU are in copyright violation and breaking the terms of the contract you signed with MFC.

I was streaming My Chaturbate shows. Not my MFC shows. I rarely cammed on MFC until recently. Chaturbate allows streaming. They provided me with the code.

 

[goneDude1]

@ grritz

My point is this, he admits to hacking this site.

Simple phpBB SQL Injection opened the door for me to generate the SiteRIP. I couldn't believe it only took me 3 minutes to get into it, I've never seen such loose security configurations before.

You should check further before posting. That was a rick roll spoof. :whistle:

 

[TokenGesture]

I guess it makes sense that if you're exploiting models by capping and posting their shows, your next move would be -


" Many of you will have received notices about Copyrightlawenforcers.com

That is one of a few domains he uses for removing files. He is actually setting up a service so he can milk money from models to remove the content he posts on his site. That is the business he is now attempting to start up in addition to F***g****. "


A recently posted accusation concerning the operator of the site that prompted this thread by a fellow bottomfeeder he has fallen out with.

 

[Deeeelicious]

Not sure how, but 2 of my true privates in the past week ( 2 different members) have been recorded and posted on forums......by the same poster

How is that even possible.

I know its not the members.

:-x :evil:

 

[TokenGesture]

Not sure how, but 2 of my true privates in the past week ( 2 different members) have been recorded and posted on forums......by the same poster

How is that even possible.

I know its not the members.

:-x :evil:

One poster in the last week or so appears to have True Private, Private and Group shows available for a whole range of models. The capping geeks have obviously found the responses needed to connect to the video servers for all the video streams.

 

[nzhere]

Not sure how, but 2 of my true privates in the past week ( 2 different members) have been recorded and posted on forums......by the same poster

How is that even possible.

I know its not the members.

:-x :evil:

How do you know it wasn't the same member?

You should contact support straight away, they can study that users activity i.p logins site activity etc.

 

[Deeeelicious]

Not sure how, but 2 of my true privates in the past week ( 2 different members) have been recorded and posted on forums......by the same poster

How is that even possible.

I know its not the members.

:-x :evil:

One poster in the last week or so appears to have True Private, Private and Group shows available for a whole range of models. The capping geeks have obviously found the responses needed to connect to the video servers for all the video streams.

Yeah I saw this, wrote to MFC....no response....not surprised in the slightest, Just wish more models would complain about it.

thing is in True Private private things can be discussed, info that should be secure

 

[Shaun__]

Yeah I saw this, wrote to MFC....no response....not surprised in the slightest, Just wish more models would complain about it.

thing is in True Private private things can be discussed, info that should be secure

I agree, true privates should be truly private.

 

[Anonymous]

thing is in True Private private things can be discussed, info that should be secure

I guess one way to help minimize the problem is to only do true privates with members on your friends list. And to have your friends list only be a group of decent people you actually like, and who contribute to your room.

I used to do the '100 tokens to be added to my friends list' thing, but now I just add people who I feel deserve to be on there (the more decent members I like who actually chat with me, talk to me like a person, and who make an effort to contribute).

 

[JerryBoBerry]

thing is in True Private private things can be discussed, info that should be secure

I guess one way to help minimize the problem is to only do true privates with members on your friends list. And to have your friends list only be a group of decent people you actually like, and who contribute to your room.

I used to do the '100 tokens to be added to my friends list' thing, but now I just add people who I feel deserve to be on there (the more decent members I like who actually chat with me, talk to me like a person, and who make an effort to contribute).

Are they recording the true private THEY themselves are paying for or are they capping the stream others are paying for? If they can get the stream of other's True Privates then it wouldn't matter if you only take friends private. And the further ramification is at that point a member might have his webcam on. Can they intercept that stream and post it too? Then mfc could have a lot of members complaining too, not just models.

 

[Deeeelicious]

thing is in True Private private things can be discussed, info that should be secure

I guess one way to help minimize the problem is to only do true privates with members on your friends list. And to have your friends list only be a group of decent people you actually like, and who contribute to your room.

I used to do the '100 tokens to be added to my friends list' thing, but now I just add people who I feel deserve to be on there (the more decent members I like who actually chat with me, talk to me like a person, and who make an effort to contribute).

Are they recording the true private THEY themselves are paying for or are they capping the stream others are paying for? If they can get the stream of other's True Privates then it wouldn't matter if you only take friends private. And the further ramification is at that point a member might have his webcam on. Can they intercept that stream and post it too? Then mfc could have a lot of members complaining too, not just models.

I only take privates with my friends, I know it wasn't the person actually paying for true private. They are known to me for a year having true privates and I cam2cam with some of them. This could also be recorded I am sure. 2 different people in the past week....Its obviously a security issue and leads me to thinking how secure other parts of the website are.....considering how much personal info is kept on both members side and model side...... :-x

 

[Kradek]

MFC's security is fairly pathetic. For example, whenever you buy tokens your username and password are emailed back to you *in clear text*. That's pretty much a universal no no.

 

[BobbyB]

thing is in True Private private things can be discussed, info that should be secure

I guess one way to help minimize the problem is to only do true privates with members on your friends list. And to have your friends list only be a group of decent people you actually like, and who contribute to your room.

I used to do the '100 tokens to be added to my friends list' thing, but now I just add people who I feel deserve to be on there (the more decent members I like who actually chat with me, talk to me like a person, and who make an effort to contribute).

Are they recording the true private THEY themselves are paying for or are they capping the stream others are paying for? If they can get the stream of other's True Privates then it wouldn't matter if you only take friends private. And the further ramification is at that point a member might have his webcam on. Can they intercept that stream and post it too? Then mfc could have a lot of members complaining too, not just models.

I only take privates with my friends, I know it wasn't the person actually paying for true private. They are known to me for a year having true privates and I cam2cam with some of them. This could also be recorded I am sure. 2 different people in the past week....Its obviously a security issue and leads me to thinking how secure other parts of the website are.....considering how much personal info is kept on both members side and model side...... :-x

Plenty of problems here and to be clear I have no clue about the technical side here....

1) Is it possible for third parties to have access to a true private show including the chats there and member cams ?
2) If it is possible is MFC aware of it ?
3) If MFC is aware of it can they fix it and do they want to fix it ? Maybe fix is too expensive....

My approach is , nothing is secure on the internet...

 

[Shaun__]

They may have gained the members' username and password, through phishing or something. The archives of a high token member could be a gold mine to some people.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

MFC's security is fairly pathetic.

I've never seen a camsite with decent security. Models and members account information is hardly safe and the video security is even more comical.

 

[RedneckHick]

This information was the main reason I came across this site. Was trying to limit the amount of caps and stuff of a model/friend but seems like a very difficult thing to do. Fully aware that stuff will be recorded and uploaded, it is the internet after all but still feel that the models should some level of privacy.

I joined the cam site for the same reason as most every other guy but after spending time getting to know one of the models, it quickly changed my view of you ladies and now it's strictly a social thing for me. Have nothing but respect for all of you.

 

[joeluk]

I've recently been made aware some True Privates I've had, have been partially posted (missing the start of the stream when I compare them to my archives) so it would seem there is definitely a method of recording the video source as I sure as hell didn't post them, and my archive version is both longer and much better quality (especially sound), the same poster has also been posting group and private shows as well of many models even with MFC watermarks, yet MFC don't seem to be doing anything about either the files or the technical issue that it stems from despite reporting them numerous times.

 

[LilyMarie]

The model needs to report the files. MFC won't do anything to get them removed if a member reports them.

 

[Sevrin]

I've recently been made aware some True Privates I've had, have been partially posted (missing the start of the stream when I compare them to my archives) so it would seem there is definitely a method of recording the video source as I sure as hell didn't post them, and my archive version is both longer and much better quality (especially sound), the same poster has also been posting group and private shows as well of many models even with MFC watermarks, yet MFC don't seem to be doing anything about either the files or the technical issue that it stems from despite reporting them numerous times.

One way that TPs can be recorded is if models are working more than one site and does not, either because she forgot or some other reason, turn off her feed to the other site.

 

[joeluk]

I can say with a 100% certainty that she wasn't on another site at the same time, so it definitely looks like the stream was hijacked (have confirmed with other girls posted by the same user that they also have had TP's that were mfc exclusive capped and posted). I have suggested password changes to the models affected just in case its an account side issue, but seems unlikely that so many random users or models accounts have been accessed and as the TP's aren't the whole session but start a few minutes into it seems a weird edit of the footage.

 

[ladyxlola]

So is there nothing MFC can do about this? Did anyone repost this to MFC? Dunno if it would help but they should know. How are people so dumb on that site. I dont know why I am wasting my breath these are obv assholes with no lives possibly small penises and cant ever get a real woman.

I sent it off to customer support and got a 'Thanks' [one word only] response.
But I would tend to think if every model started writing them and asking them to do something it would carry a lot more clout.

we should all send something over! I will! I can't even see the link though...anyone want to send me the name of the site I'm complaining about and where I can let mfc know about this? One message won't do anything, but if all of us said something it might get /some/ attention.