WARNING: You *will* be recorded now, constantly.

[thatdude]

Why can't they just leave models alone and go watch a porn tube sites? Soo annoying and disrespectful.

 

[AmberCutie]

Why can't they just leave models alone and go watch a porn tube sites? Soo annoying and disrespectful.

If you were trying to post an image there, it no worky.

imgur.com

 

[JoleneBrody]

I think these massive archives of shows will be a real problem somewhere down the line. Why is it that Big-box web content providers' claim to a copyright over their models content "for all eternity across the known universe" can not be subject to a serious legal challenge? Models who leave the business ought to be able to get their VOD shows removed at some point. Otherwise they will be facing the problem of many former porn stars whose new careers (especially in education, nursing etc) are destroyed by a vid they made a decade ago resurfacing out of the blue. This is also a problem with the pirate forums, where devoted cappers are reposting the shows of their favorite models from two, three, five years ago. They call it "owning a cam-girl" but it can destroy somebody's attempt to rebuild their life - as happened to "Mary" the former cam-model owner of the Lilian Studio in Petrozavodsk, Keralia after she immigrated to Australia and was outed on the "sniper forum" when she was a contestant in a "World's Best Job" competition. There has to be a better answer than simply telling people, "You shouda read the fine print on that contract more closely" - especially if you're an Eastern European studio model who doesn't read English all that well, or had your studio admin robo-sign the release form for you.

I think you may be confused about something. In regards to this thread specifically the recordings are not being distributed by the copyright holder (the website) but are being recorded from a live broadcast and redistributed against the model and websites will.
I do get what you're saying, but that is an obvious life long risk that you HAVE to understand and take when you get into this industry. If you want to be a school nurse, don't pay your way through school making porn. In the case of "Mary" she wasn't a naive poor girl just desperate to support her family any way she could, she OWNED a studio and then got involved in a publicized non-porn competition. That was just... dumb.

 

[AwesomeKate]

It took me a while to figure out why I was siding with the cappers in my head. I read through this thread and others and found myself defending them in my thoughts a lot of the time. It seemed so weird to me that I would feel this way, considering how many women find what they do abhorrent and damaging. I feel that after a lot of time spent on it, I have finally determined why I am not against what they do. I will try my hardest to explain, but it's pretty heavy stuff.


Data storage is immensely important. How and where we (humans) store data directly determines how quickly technological advances can be made. After SSD's, there is talk that we may store our information on holograms, quantum computers, and eventually our own DNA. If you understand this, then you understand what this entails. Infinite storage that cannot be lost or destroyed. Infinite storage that can be accessed as quickly as your brain can access memories. Our species' ability to store and access information at an exponentially faster rate is what is driving our evolution. To ask that it is slowed down, as people are here, is counter-intuitive and pointless. It is happening regardless.

I know I must sound like a COMPLETE fucking weirdo right now, but I ask that everyone step back and see this for what it is. This one guy's set-up is only the beginning of a complete and fully automated world-wide data storage system. Everything that humans do will someday be recorded and stored. Everything that humans think will someday be recorded and stored. It is important to embrace this fact. It is not a breach of your privacy. There is no such thing as privacy in the future of mankind. Even this guy's porn storage, however weird that may seem, is a movement in the direction of a singular, unified, global consciousness.

That's just how I see it anyway...

 

[Nordling]

It took me a while to figure out why I was siding with the cappers in my head. I read through this thread and others and found myself defending them in my thoughts a lot of the time. It seemed so weird to me that I would feel this way, considering how many women find what they do abhorrent and damaging. I feel that after a lot of time spent on it, I have finally determined why I am not against what they do. I will try my hardest to explain, but it's pretty heavy stuff.


Data storage is immensely important. How and where we (humans) store data directly determines how quickly technological advances can be made. After SSD's, there is talk that we may store our information on holograms, quantum computers, and eventually our own DNA. If you understand this, then you understand what this entails. Infinite storage that cannot be lost or destroyed. Infinite storage that can be accessed as quickly as your brain can access memories. Our species' ability to store and access information at an exponentially faster rate is what is driving our evolution. To ask that it is slowed down, as people are here, is counter-intuitive and pointless. It is happening regardless.

I know I must sound like a COMPLETE fucking weirdo right now, but I ask that everyone step back and see this for what it is. This one guy's set-up is only the beginning of a complete and fully automated world-wide data storage system. Everything that humans do will someday be recorded and stored. Everything that humans think will someday be recorded and stored. It is important to embrace this fact. It is not a breach of your privacy. There is no such thing as privacy in the future of mankind. Even this guy's porn storage, however weird that may seem, is a movement in the direction of a singular, unified, global consciousness.

That's just how I see it anyway...

Not a weirdo at all...but maybe premature. While privacy is still possible, even if limited, I shall continue to defend it.

 

[mynameisbob84]

It took me a while to figure out why I was siding with the cappers in my head. I read through this thread and others and found myself defending them in my thoughts a lot of the time. It seemed so weird to me that I would feel this way, considering how many women find what they do abhorrent and damaging. I feel that after a lot of time spent on it, I have finally determined why I am not against what they do. I will try my hardest to explain, but it's pretty heavy stuff.


Data storage is immensely important. How and where we (humans) store data directly determines how quickly technological advances can be made. After SSD's, there is talk that we may store our information on holograms, quantum computers, and eventually our own DNA. If you understand this, then you understand what this entails. Infinite storage that cannot be lost or destroyed. Infinite storage that can be accessed as quickly as your brain can access memories. Our species' ability to store and access information at an exponentially faster rate is what is driving our evolution. To ask that it is slowed down, as people are here, is counter-intuitive and pointless. It is happening regardless.

I know I must sound like a COMPLETE fucking weirdo right now, but I ask that everyone step back and see this for what it is. This one guy's set-up is only the beginning of a complete and fully automated world-wide data storage system. Everything that humans do will someday be recorded and stored. Everything that humans think will someday be recorded and stored. It is important to embrace this fact. It is not a breach of your privacy. There is no such thing as privacy in the future of mankind. Even this guy's porn storage, however weird that may seem, is a movement in the direction of a singular, unified, global consciousness.

That's just how I see it anyway...

This all sounds like something I'd like to delay for as long as possible

I'd like for my thoughts to remain my own. I'd like for other people's thoughts not to encroach on my own. I'd like to think that privacy is not a fallacy. The idea of some Orwell-ian, hive-mind fills me with dread, and isn't something I could ever embrace in good conscience.

I wasn't expecting this thread to wind up in existentialist territory :-D

 

[AwesomeKate]

Sorry Bob, but everything I touch seems to turn to existentialism.

 

[mynameisbob84]

Sorry Bob, but everything I touch seems to turn to existentialism.

Tis no bad thing, yo :thumbleft:

 

[Brad]

It took me a while to figure out why I was siding with the cappers in my head. I read through this thread and others and found myself defending them in my thoughts a lot of the time. It seemed so weird to me that I would feel this way, considering how many women find what they do abhorrent and damaging. I feel that after a lot of time spent on it, I have finally determined why I am not against what they do. I will try my hardest to explain, but it's pretty heavy stuff.


Data storage is immensely important. How and where we (humans) store data directly determines how quickly technological advances can be made. After SSD's, there is talk that we may store our information on holograms, quantum computers, and eventually our own DNA. If you understand this, then you understand what this entails. Infinite storage that cannot be lost or destroyed. Infinite storage that can be accessed as quickly as your brain can access memories. Our species' ability to store and access information at an exponentially faster rate is what is driving our evolution. To ask that it is slowed down, as people are here, is counter-intuitive and pointless. It is happening regardless.

I know I must sound like a COMPLETE fucking weirdo right now, but I ask that everyone step back and see this for what it is. This one guy's set-up is only the beginning of a complete and fully automated world-wide data storage system. Everything that humans do will someday be recorded and stored. Everything that humans think will someday be recorded and stored. It is important to embrace this fact. It is not a breach of your privacy. There is no such thing as privacy in the future of mankind. Even this guy's porn storage, however weird that may seem, is a movement in the direction of a singular, unified, global consciousness.

That's just how I see it anyway...

An interesting take on it Kate! And one that really deserves it's own thread because in my opinion what you are discussing is far above and beyond just some single person recording then illegally distributing internet video broadcasts.
:thumbleft:

 

[Sevrin]

It took me a while to figure out why I was siding with the cappers in my head. I read through this thread and others and found myself defending them in my thoughts a lot of the time. It seemed so weird to me that I would feel this way, considering how many women find what they do abhorrent and damaging. I feel that after a lot of time spent on it, I have finally determined why I am not against what they do. I will try my hardest to explain, but it's pretty heavy stuff.


Data storage is immensely important. How and where we (humans) store data directly determines how quickly technological advances can be made. After SSD's, there is talk that we may store our information on holograms, quantum computers, and eventually our own DNA. If you understand this, then you understand what this entails. Infinite storage that cannot be lost or destroyed. Infinite storage that can be accessed as quickly as your brain can access memories. Our species' ability to store and access information at an exponentially faster rate is what is driving our evolution. To ask that it is slowed down, as people are here, is counter-intuitive and pointless. It is happening regardless.

I know I must sound like a COMPLETE fucking weirdo right now, but I ask that everyone step back and see this for what it is. This one guy's set-up is only the beginning of a complete and fully automated world-wide data storage system. Everything that humans do will someday be recorded and stored. Everything that humans think will someday be recorded and stored. It is important to embrace this fact. It is not a breach of your privacy. There is no such thing as privacy in the future of mankind. Even this guy's porn storage, however weird that may seem, is a movement in the direction of a singular, unified, global consciousness.

That's just how I see it anyway...

The sooner he takes over the world, the better off we will be. Wait, what?

 

[UncleLewis]

It's kind of funny that everyone is up in arms about random cappers across the net who can't legally make money from their recordings, because everyone is forgetting about MFC itself. Remember, MFC owns the rights to any stream that passes through their servers. I wonder how long it will be before MFC starts monetizing its archive of recorded cam shows. I don't think they record EVERY show all the time, but I wouldn't be surprised if MFC had some mechanism in place to automatically start saving any cam show that got more than 1000 viewers or something, to use in a "best of" DVD release or the like. What are all you complainers going to do in 20 years when some new owner of MFC decides to start releasing all the old footage?

Point taken Jolene. Mary's studio, Lilian models, was indeed a major supplier of content for Peekshows, and she had the reputation for being one of the richest people in Petrovodsk before she got taken down by the Russian police - too much success perhaps rubbed some folks the wrong way. I raised the question of the archives in response to Bawsky's post, but he's not the first to make this kind of comment. A couple of years ago there were a series of running debates qua firefights with Onan, the senior web-master on sniper, that raged on another forum. Onan's defense against my charge that he and his pirate crew were "outing" innocent studio models in their home countries with their posts, was that they had quite literally signed on for this of exposure - and that the web-sites use of their archived shows were a far greater risk to them than anything that a few pirates might do by stealing content that those models no longer owned. I didn't have a snappy response - especially since many of these same web-sites (that own the copyrights to your shows) are placing pop ads on the screencaps of the pirates who stole their models shows to advertise themselves to the very people who are downloading their stolen stuff - ie. ads that feature short video clips of their own models live sex shows. Streamate does it using links to its "wrapper sites." So does Live Jasmin. And God Bless Leo, so does an affiliated web-master of MFC - the same dude who promises that if you learn his secret, you will never have to pay for another live show again. All in all, it's an amazing partnership, and I guess it does help drive traffic to the web-sites and help models that way.
But it ought to raise some questions about how far web-sites can go in using their models content. Or am I wrong to even raise that here?
UL

 

[Trav]

It took me a while to figure out why I was siding with the cappers in my head. I read through this thread and others and found myself defending them in my thoughts a lot of the time. It seemed so weird to me that I would feel this way, considering how many women find what they do abhorrent and damaging. I feel that after a lot of time spent on it, I have finally determined why I am not against what they do. I will try my hardest to explain, but it's pretty heavy stuff.


Data storage is immensely important. How and where we (humans) store data directly determines how quickly technological advances can be made. After SSD's, there is talk that we may store our information on holograms, quantum computers, and eventually our own DNA. If you understand this, then you understand what this entails. Infinite storage that cannot be lost or destroyed. Infinite storage that can be accessed as quickly as your brain can access memories. Our species' ability to store and access information at an exponentially faster rate is what is driving our evolution. To ask that it is slowed down, as people are here, is counter-intuitive and pointless. It is happening regardless.

I know I must sound like a COMPLETE fucking weirdo right now, but I ask that everyone step back and see this for what it is. This one guy's set-up is only the beginning of a complete and fully automated world-wide data storage system. Everything that humans do will someday be recorded and stored. Everything that humans think will someday be recorded and stored. It is important to embrace this fact. It is not a breach of your privacy. There is no such thing as privacy in the future of mankind. Even this guy's porn storage, however weird that may seem, is a movement in the direction of a singular, unified, global consciousness.

That's just how I see it anyway...

That's all well and good, but there's a difference between storage and dissemination, especially when you're talking about copyrighted works that are being freely distributed. If the future of humanity is that everything ever produced is freely available to all, we're gonna have more than a small problem.

 

[AwesomeKate]

That's all well and good, but there's a difference between storage and dissemination, especially when you're talking about copyrighted works that are being freely distributed. If the future of humanity is that everything ever produced is freely available to all, we're gonna have more than a small problem.

If your brain can only comprehend a capitalistic, profit-driven society, then I imagine this would seem like a problem to you. However, I don't see this as a problem at all. I'd love to live in a society where everything is freely available to all people, and I don't see why anyone would want otherwise. There is enough on this Earth for everyone to have what they need to survive, and humankind's advancing technology will make it possible. Certain social structures will have to die in order to make this possible though, profit being one of them. And without humanity's need for profit, what use is the DMCA?

You could argue that things will not be made if there is no incentive (money) to create content, but I think plenty of content will still be created. I think content will have higher quality too, because those making it are not driven by money, but passion. And for those things that no one wants to create, there will be computers to do that.

 

[AllisonWilder]

I'm not sure yet where I weigh in on everything being freely available to all people, but the thought of the world being driven by passion over profit, that's a beautiful thing.

 

[emptiedglass]

That's all well and good, but there's a difference between storage and dissemination, especially when you're talking about copyrighted works that are being freely distributed. If the future of humanity is that everything ever produced is freely available to all, we're gonna have more than a small problem.

If your brain can only comprehend a capitalistic, profit-driven society, then I imagine this would seem like a problem to you. However, I don't see this as a problem at all. I'd love to live in a society where everything is freely available to all people, and I don't see why anyone would want otherwise. There is enough on this Earth for everyone to have what they need to survive, and humankind's advancing technology will make it possible. Certain social structures will have to die in order to make this possible though, profit being one of them. And without humanity's need for profit, what use is the DMCA?

You could argue that things will not be made if there is no incentive (money) to create content, but I think plenty of content will still be created. I think content will have higher quality too, because those making it are not driven by money, but passion. And for those things that no one wants to create, there will be computers to do that.

I think you underestimate the power of greed, and of big business. I'm not sure that I can see a world without money, which can be a good incentive for people to produce the goods that we all need daily (think: food, shelter, clothing). If people aren't being compensated for their efforts, many of them might simply not even bother. Pride and civic diuty just dont' seem to be a big enough driving force.
As for your earlier post, I agree that the days of personal privacy are coming to an end. Everything we do will be monitored, recorded and analyzed in the interests of 'global security' or whatever. But I think (and hope!) that a global hive mind is still a long way off.

 

[Trav]

That's all well and good, but there's a difference between storage and dissemination, especially when you're talking about copyrighted works that are being freely distributed. If the future of humanity is that everything ever produced is freely available to all, we're gonna have more than a small problem.

If your brain can only comprehend a capitalistic, profit-driven society, then I imagine this would seem like a problem to you. However, I don't see this as a problem at all. I'd love to live in a society where everything is freely available to all people, and I don't see why anyone would want otherwise. There is enough on this Earth for everyone to have what they need to survive, and humankind's advancing technology will make it possible. Certain social structures will have to die in order to make this possible though, profit being one of them. And without humanity's need for profit, what use is the DMCA?

You could argue that things will not be made if there is no incentive (money) to create content, but I think plenty of content will still be created. I think content will have higher quality too, because those making it are not driven by money, but passion. And for those things that no one wants to create, there will be computers to do that.

Sorry my brain can't comprehend your science fiction society, but I guess I'm either dumb, or just have a far less rosy view of the potential of human societal evolution within about, ehh, the next 500 to infinity years.

Really, if this is your justification for how you feel about cappers, you should probably rethink it. Sans some world-wide cataclysmic event, neither you or your grandchildren, or your grandchildren's grandchildren, will see the society you're talking about.

 

[TokenGesture]

If your brain can only comprehend a capitalistic, profit-driven society, then I imagine this would seem like a problem to you. However, I don't see this as a problem at all. I'd love to live in a society where everything is freely available to all people, and I don't see why anyone would want otherwise. There is enough on this Earth for everyone to have what they need to survive, and humankind's advancing technology will make it possible. Certain social structures will have to die in order to make this possible though, profit being one of them. And without humanity's need for profit, what use is the DMCA?

Awesome Kate! Those certain social structures won't change unless brave idealists make the first move. Let's make a start you and I. What about you change that "Get all of my videos for 3500 Tokens" on your profile to "All my videos are free, come and get them" and I will simultaneously sprinkle all the tokens I have in the Ganges as the sun sets.

 

[Just Me]

It took me a while to figure out why I was siding with the cappers in my head. I read through this thread and others and found myself defending them in my thoughts a lot of the time. It seemed so weird to me that I would feel this way, considering how many women find what they do abhorrent and damaging. I feel that after a lot of time spent on it, I have finally determined why I am not against what they do. I will try my hardest to explain, but it's pretty heavy stuff.


Data storage is immensely important. How and where we (humans) store data directly determines how quickly technological advances can be made. After SSD's, there is talk that we may store our information on holograms, quantum computers, and eventually our own DNA. If you understand this, then you understand what this entails. Infinite storage that cannot be lost or destroyed. Infinite storage that can be accessed as quickly as your brain can access memories. Our species' ability to store and access information at an exponentially faster rate is what is driving our evolution. To ask that it is slowed down, as people are here, is counter-intuitive and pointless. It is happening regardless.

I know I must sound like a COMPLETE fucking weirdo right now, but I ask that everyone step back and see this for what it is. This one guy's set-up is only the beginning of a complete and fully automated world-wide data storage system. Everything that humans do will someday be recorded and stored. Everything that humans think will someday be recorded and stored. It is important to embrace this fact. It is not a breach of your privacy. There is no such thing as privacy in the future of mankind. Even this guy's porn storage, however weird that may seem, is a movement in the direction of a singular, unified, global consciousness.

That's just how I see it anyway...

Thus leads to the path of stagnation and decline. Competition is the driver of evolution. The stagnation is already beginning to happen. Why remember or learn something when you can just google it? Sometimes things need to be forgotten and reinvented or even destroyed before any truly revolutionary ideas happen. What you are imagining is just an illusion of human evolutionary change, if anything you are seeing the evolution of computers and networking. A single, unified global consciousness through infinite storage and computers means we have lost and the machines have taken over.

 

[mynameisbob84]

That's all well and good, but there's a difference between storage and dissemination, especially when you're talking about copyrighted works that are being freely distributed. If the future of humanity is that everything ever produced is freely available to all, we're gonna have more than a small problem.

If your brain can only comprehend a capitalistic, profit-driven society, then I imagine this would seem like a problem to you. However, I don't see this as a problem at all. I'd love to live in a society where everything is freely available to all people, and I don't see why anyone would want otherwise. There is enough on this Earth for everyone to have what they need to survive, and humankind's advancing technology will make it possible. Certain social structures will have to die in order to make this possible though, profit being one of them. And without humanity's need for profit, what use is the DMCA?

You could argue that things will not be made if there is no incentive (money) to create content, but I think plenty of content will still be created. I think content will have higher quality too, because those making it are not driven by money, but passion. And for those things that no one wants to create, there will be computers to do that.

I think socialism is a wonderful idea, but sadly, I think it's just that; an idea, ya know? A socialist society goes against thousands of years of human nature and evolution, and would require a complete upheaval of societal norms to ever truly take root. It would take something cataclysmic to end capitalism and even then, we as a species would struggle to sustain a socialist existence. It's in our nature to want more than our neighbours; to seek power, to compete, to conquer, to seize control of things we have no moral claim to. This has been true for as long as people have existed. I don't envision that changing :twocents-02cents:

 

[Sevrin]

That's all well and good, but there's a difference between storage and dissemination, especially when you're talking about copyrighted works that are being freely distributed. If the future of humanity is that everything ever produced is freely available to all, we're gonna have more than a small problem.

If your brain can only comprehend a capitalistic, profit-driven society, then I imagine this would seem like a problem to you. However, I don't see this as a problem at all. I'd love to live in a society where everything is freely available to all people, and I don't see why anyone would want otherwise. There is enough on this Earth for everyone to have what they need to survive, and humankind's advancing technology will make it possible. Certain social structures will have to die in order to make this possible though, profit being one of them. And without humanity's need for profit, what use is the DMCA?

You could argue that things will not be made if there is no incentive (money) to create content, but I think plenty of content will still be created. I think content will have higher quality too, because those making it are not driven by money, but passion. And for those things that no one wants to create, there will be computers to do that.

People put hope in technology, because it's a lot easier to dream of a utopia than recognize that we are part of the problem, and take responsibility for our world.

There are people starving needlessly now. There are people dying needlessly to water-borne diseases now. There are tens of thousands dying in armed conflicts, made more efficient and deadly by fabulously advanced technology. There is enough food and clean water for everyone on the planet and then some. Our problem is not financial or technological. These people are not dying because of a lack of data storage capacity, and increased computing power will not eliminate inequality. Our problem is moral.

 

[AwesomeKate]

Sorry my brain can't comprehend your science fiction society, but I guess I'm either dumb, or just have a far less rosy view of the potential of human societal evolution within about, ehh, the next 500 to infinity years.

Really, if this is your justification for how you feel about cappers, you should probably rethink it. Sans some world-wide cataclysmic event, neither you or your grandchildren, or your grandchildren's grandchildren, will see the society you're talking about.

You're not dumb. We have encountered different experiences throughout our lives and thus developed different opinions. It's what makes things interesting. Personally, I think it's beneficial to view the capper problem, and any other problem you might meet, in the light of evolution. It helps to understand intention, potential outcomes, and not get emotionally tied up in how a situation affects you singularly. I prefer to see things in the long-term, as I am interested in existence as a whole and not solely on my own existence. Regarding whether or not my grandchildren's grandchildren's grandchildren get to see the society I'm talking about, I don't care about that. It makes no difference to me when an event occurs. In an infinite universe, when makes no matter. It will happen, and even if it takes 3000 years that is okay. Nature's secret is patience.

Awesome Kate! Those certain social structures won't change unless brave idealists make the first move. Let's make a start you and I. What about you change that "Get all of my videos for 3500 Tokens" on your profile to "All my videos are free, come and get them" and I will simultaneously sprinkle all the tokens I have in the Ganges as the sun sets.

You have no idea how much I wish I could do what I do for free. I enjoy performing, seducing, and singing. Camming has allowed me to do what I've always wanted to do since I was younger, and I am passionate about it. The reason I do not offer my services for free is BECAUSE I am still a part of a system that requires money to survive. I am saving as much as I can from camming and starting an off-the-grid, self-sufficient community with some other people. I need money to start it, but once it's running I think I can stop relying on money all together. So, I cannot be a brave idealist yet, but I want to be.

 

[Shaun__]

The people in charge of the world right now like things the way they are, and the people being bossed around dream of being the boss. It is possible that it could change in the future if some things were to change.

Right now our economy is based on labor, so imagine if robots could do all the work. Even the job of designing and building robots. Everything would change, but the direction we would head in is anyone's guess.

Would we end up with some people living in a guarded luxury dome, while everyone else starved in the wild. Or would we lose the avarice that drives us today, and move to a world were artistic achievements mean more than material goods.

 

[Trav]

Sorry my brain can't comprehend your science fiction society, but I guess I'm either dumb, or just have a far less rosy view of the potential of human societal evolution within about, ehh, the next 500 to infinity years.

Really, if this is your justification for how you feel about cappers, you should probably rethink it. Sans some world-wide cataclysmic event, neither you or your grandchildren, or your grandchildren's grandchildren, will see the society you're talking about.

You're not dumb. We have encountered different experiences throughout our lives and thus developed different opinions. It's what makes things interesting. Personally, I think it's beneficial to view the capper problem, and any other problem you might meet, in the light of evolution. It helps to understand intention, potential outcomes, and not get emotionally tied up in how a situation affects you singularly. I prefer to see things in the long-term, as I am interested in existence as a whole and not solely on my own existence. Regarding whether or not my grandchildren's grandchildren's grandchildren get to see the society I'm talking about, I don't care about that. It makes no difference to me when an event occurs. In an infinite universe, when makes no matter. It will happen, and even if it takes 3000 years that is okay. Nature's secret is patience.

I'm sorry but... this is an insane way to live lol. You can't form your opinion on modern day problems with the basis of what humanity will look like in 1000 years. One, because no one knows how it will look, and two, because it doesn't matter. We live in today's reality, on today's reality's terms, not in a world with the rules of humanity a millennia from now. You can say 'well in 1000 years everything will be recorded and freely available anyway so cappers aren't a problem' and you might be right about how the future will end up(and you might not), but that doesn't mean cappers aren't a problem affecting real people's lives in the reality we live in today.

 

[Infinite_T]

Sorry my brain can't comprehend your science fiction society, but I guess I'm either dumb, or just have a far less rosy view of the potential of human societal evolution within about, ehh, the next 500 to infinity years.

Really, if this is your justification for how you feel about cappers, you should probably rethink it. Sans some world-wide cataclysmic event, neither you or your grandchildren, or your grandchildren's grandchildren, will see the society you're talking about.

You're not dumb. We have encountered different experiences throughout our lives and thus developed different opinions. It's what makes things interesting. Personally, I think it's beneficial to view the capper problem, and any other problem you might meet, in the light of evolution. It helps to understand intention, potential outcomes, and not get emotionally tied up in how a situation affects you singularly. I prefer to see things in the long-term, as I am interested in existence as a whole and not solely on my own existence. Regarding whether or not my grandchildren's grandchildren's grandchildren get to see the society I'm talking about, I don't care about that. It makes no difference to me when an event occurs. In an infinite universe, when makes no matter. It will happen, and even if it takes 3000 years that is okay. Nature's secret is patience.

I'm sorry but... this is an insane way to live lol. You can't form your opinion on modern day problems with the basis of what humanity will look like in 1000 years. One, because no one knows how it will look, and two, because it doesn't matter. We live in today's reality, on today's reality's terms, not in a world with the rules of humanity a millennia from now. You can say 'well in 1000 years everything will be recorded and freely available anyway so cappers aren't a problem' and you might be right about how the future will end up(and you might not), but that doesn't mean cappers aren't a problem affecting real people's lives in the reality we live in today.

Although either way is a valid way to see it- I feel Kate is providing an alternative view not meant to feel as though it were an attack on the effect cappers have in girl's personal lives. Is it threatening to envision a world you want to live in and take action to live that way now? If someone were to cap my videos and post them I'm sure I'll be upset. However I still agree with Kate as well. Both points made can coincide. I needed to say this because often I want to live in a world without the monetary system and talking about it always brings out a defensive response of today's "unlikely to ever change" conditions.

 

[Trav]

Sorry my brain can't comprehend your science fiction society, but I guess I'm either dumb, or just have a far less rosy view of the potential of human societal evolution within about, ehh, the next 500 to infinity years.

Really, if this is your justification for how you feel about cappers, you should probably rethink it. Sans some world-wide cataclysmic event, neither you or your grandchildren, or your grandchildren's grandchildren, will see the society you're talking about.

You're not dumb. We have encountered different experiences throughout our lives and thus developed different opinions. It's what makes things interesting. Personally, I think it's beneficial to view the capper problem, and any other problem you might meet, in the light of evolution. It helps to understand intention, potential outcomes, and not get emotionally tied up in how a situation affects you singularly. I prefer to see things in the long-term, as I am interested in existence as a whole and not solely on my own existence. Regarding whether or not my grandchildren's grandchildren's grandchildren get to see the society I'm talking about, I don't care about that. It makes no difference to me when an event occurs. In an infinite universe, when makes no matter. It will happen, and even if it takes 3000 years that is okay. Nature's secret is patience.

I'm sorry but... this is an insane way to live lol. You can't form your opinion on modern day problems with the basis of what humanity will look like in 1000 years. One, because no one knows how it will look, and two, because it doesn't matter. We live in today's reality, on today's reality's terms, not in a world with the rules of humanity a millennia from now. You can say 'well in 1000 years everything will be recorded and freely available anyway so cappers aren't a problem' and you might be right about how the future will end up(and you might not), but that doesn't mean cappers aren't a problem affecting real people's lives in the reality we live in today.

Although either way is a valid way to see it- I feel Kate is providing an alternative view not meant to feel as though it were an attack on the effect cappers have in girl's personal lives. Is it threatening to envision a world you want to live in and take action to live that way now? If someone were to cap my videos and post them I'm sure I'll be upset. However I still agree with Kate as well. Both points made can coincide. I needed to say this because often I want to live in a world without the monetary system and talking about it always brings out a defensive response of today's "unlikely to ever change" conditions.

Oh I'm all for acting to change how the world is now. But what you can do is act as though it has ALREADY changed or that the change is inevitable, which is what she seems to be saying. She's not against what they do because at some point in the future everything everyone does will be recorded. Well, that's not the world we live in today, and won't be for a long time, if ever.

 

[AwesomeKate]

I'm sorry but... this is an insane way to live lol. You can't form your opinion on modern day problems with the basis of what humanity will look like in 1000 years. One, because no one knows how it will look, and two, because it doesn't matter. We live in today's reality, on today's reality's terms, not in a world with the rules of humanity a millennia from now. You can say 'well in 1000 years everything will be recorded and freely available anyway so cappers aren't a problem' and you might be right about how the future will end up(and you might not), but that doesn't mean cappers aren't a problem affecting real people's lives in the reality we live in today.

I agree with you that cappers are a problem affecting people's lives, and I only gave my opinion on the matter to tell models/members how I choose to look at the situation. I would never tell someone that they have to or should think the way that I think. I am only saying that it has helped me to view it all this way, and I feel much more positively because of it. I believe that you must make an active choice to be happy, and while you can't change your surroundings you can certainly change how you view them. I know that a lot of women are deeply bothered/hurt by the archiving and surveillance, and I was hoping to offer a much more progressive way to look at it all.

It is very obvious that information/data is flying out of it's creator's control and into the hands of whoever goes digging. This is not just an occurrence in the porn industry, but in all areas of consumer goods where they can be transferred digitally. As information becomes easier for every human being to access, it will only get harder to insure that you actually receive money in return for your product. This fact will force humanity to question whether the exchange of money can keep up with us, or if we need to install a better system of commerce.

You may view my outlook as insane if you want, that is your right, but I see living with no regard for the future as insane. The future is created by the now, and so we are very much a part of it, even 1000 years from now. To not care for something because it is outside of your lifespan is quite disempowering, and I believe you're doing yourself a great injustice. You are a part of this crazy, cosmic happening and 1000 years from now your actions will still be echoing within it. Just because the other humans around don't seem to care about each other or the future of our planet, doesn't mean that you should lose faith that they can change.

This quote comes to mind: "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." -Jiddu Krishnamurti

Most of the great thinkers that I read about have one thing in common. They are absolutely invested in thinking on, and partaking in the betterment of the world, regardless of whether or not they will get to live in the finished product.

 

[fireandshadow]

Kate, I've always thought you were a smart person but you just blew the lid off of that, holy crap. I love the spin you put on this and there are two relevant things to throw out there: if you feel like getting a bit nerdy on this, I think you'd enjoy Coevolution by William Durham. (http://www.amazon.com/Coevolution-Genes-Culture-Human-Diversity/dp/0804721564) Its about how cultural evolution complements biological evolution, which is at the core of what you're driving at.

Putting a little more spin into it, when you pull back and look at it from afar, we're firing neurons in a larger connected brain, part of a much larger organism. And technology is being pulled into that as well, as a part of our storage mechanisms. We are a communal cyborg, and its really kind of exciting.

However, and this is where I have a problem with the cappers, we're not quite ready for this yet. We're just coming to terms with a lot of this, what to do about privacy, what IS privacy, what are our expectations and agreements. And this simply isn't part of the agreements we make with each other. It's a one-sided exploitation.

I love that you see a world not defined by capitalism, there are SO many other ways to go about things. I agree wholeheartedly with your future visions and aspirations. Part of being not ready, though, is we haven't moved through to be able to think larger than capitalism. We're still in the process of preparing ourselves, and just as democracy doesn't work for the unprepared will we be able to transcend as a whole in cooperation?

The best of what you wrote, though, is in the essential nature of your approach: if you engage directly with a viewpoint as an opposition, you are defined in that opposition. You are a part of the structure someone else created. If you redefine the parameters completely, as you've done, you can transcend, create, and live more freely. This is what blew my mind the most. Thank you for expanding this conversation just when it needed to most.

 

[emptiedglass]

Oh I'm all for acting to change how the world is now. But what you can do is act as though it has ALREADY changed or that the change is inevitable, which is what she seems to be saying. She's not against what they do because at some point in the future everything everyone does will be recorded. Well, that's not the world we live in today, and won't be for a long time, if ever.

Haven't you been paying attention to the news and what the NSA's been up to? The technology for 24/7 monitoring of everyone on the planet is within our grasp, and governments are not above using it in the interest of 'security.' Despite the fact that the majority of people would be opposed such technology, it could easily come about within our lifetimes.

 

[UncleThursday]

I think these massive archives of shows will be a real problem somewhere down the line. Why is it that Big-box web content providers' claim to a copyright over their models content "for all eternity across the known universe" can not be subject to a serious legal challenge? Models who leave the business ought to be able to get their VOD shows removed at some point. Otherwise they will be facing the problem of many former porn stars whose new careers (especially in education, nursing etc) are destroyed by a vid they made a decade ago resurfacing out of the blue. This is also a problem with the pirate forums, where devoted cappers are reposting the shows of their favorite models from two, three, five years ago. They call it "owning a cam-girl" but it can destroy somebody's attempt to rebuild their life - as happened to "Mary" the former cam-model owner of the Lilian Studio in Petrozavodsk, Keralia after she immigrated to Australia and was outed on the "sniper forum" when she was a contestant in a "World's Best Job" competition. There has to be a better answer than simply telling people, "You shouda read the fine print on that contract more closely" - especially if you're an Eastern European studio model who doesn't read English all that well, or had your studio admin robo-sign the release form for you.

I think you may be confused about something. In regards to this thread specifically the recordings are not being distributed by the copyright holder (the website) but are being recorded from a live broadcast and redistributed against the model and websites will.
I do get what you're saying, but that is an obvious life long risk that you HAVE to understand and take when you get into this industry. If you want to be a school nurse, don't pay your way through school making porn. In the case of "Mary" she wasn't a naive poor girl just desperate to support her family any way she could, she OWNED a studio and then got involved in a publicized non-porn competition. That was just... dumb.

Or that teacher's aide in (I think) California who made porn to pay her way through college, and got found out and fired from the school. I dont personally find anything wrong with it, but the parents and school board felt she would be at best a distraction to the students (what probably happened was a student found the porn films and then got caught watching them), or at worst somehow morally corrupting of the kids.

 

[mynameisbob84]

You have no idea how much I wish I could do what I do for free. I enjoy performing, seducing, and singing. Camming has allowed me to do what I've always wanted to do since I was younger, and I am passionate about it. The reason I do not offer my services for free is BECAUSE I am still a part of a system that requires money to survive. I am saving as much as I can from camming and starting an off-the-grid, self-sufficient community with some other people. I need money to start it, but once it's running I think I can stop relying on money all together. So, I cannot be a brave idealist yet, but I want to be.

It would be ignorant of me to state categorically that the future you envision is not one that will come to pass, but I see the above as being one of the biggest hurdles to overcome before we, as a society, could even begin to hope to see it.
Before anyone can truly rid themselves of the need for money, they must first earn enough money to be able to do that; and in order to earn that money, they must rely on capitalism - which is a paradox in and of itself. While some people may find themselves in a position where they've accumulated enough money to make a go of it and they don't have other responsibilities holding them back, most people likely never will.

ADDENDUM: Not trying to poo-poo on your ideas and aspirations, just adding to the discussion. I admire anyone who has the strength of their convictions :thumbleft: