Trayvon Martin

[Bocefish]

It's really irresponsible to release selected evidence when the rest is being tightly controlled. On the day of his bail hearing? Almost certainly his lawyer engineered the release of that photo. Which in itself is fine, I can't blame him for wanting to get his client bail, but since the lawyer had the evidence sealed and therefore is really the only one who CAN leak evidence it has the effect of public propaganda if he only releases evidence that looks to support Zimmerman's case.

If his lawyer had anything to do with the release of that image, he could be held in contempt and possibly disbarred.

I wonder if Z chose such a tall attorney deliberately because he looks like a midget standing next to his lawyer lol.

I wonder how tall he is? He could always play Lurch if the attorney thing doesn't work out for him.

 

[Jupiter551]

http://theintelhub.com/2012/04/19/flori ... alexander/

That website has some whacko ads and shit on it, like this one which appears to encourage 'survivalists' to purchase silver in case of wall street werewolves and financial vampires

 

[Nordling]

This world is so fucked up! PEOPLE QUIT THE BULLSHIT ! Live and let live! you are no better than anyone else.

:angry4: And we can all get back to what really is important and will make us all happy again, Bewbs n' Tokens for Bewbs!

You can discuss 'bewbs n' tokens for bewbs' all you want in the other sections of this forum. This section of the forum is for the "un-sexy" stuff like politics and news headlines...shit like that.

Plus I think it'd be inappropriate to discuss boobs, pussy, and ass in a Trayvon Martin thread.

I've never understood why people feel the need to whine about what other people decide to discuss. Why come into a thread he isn't interested in and order us to cease? Obviously, other people are interested...so why not let THEM "live and let live?"

I'm not particularly interested in discussing video games, so I don't go into those threads. Simple.

 

[Anonymous]

That website has some whacko ads and shit on it, like this one which appears to encourage 'survivalists' to purchase silver in case of wall street werewolves and financial vampires

Did you look past the wacko ads to read the story?

 

[Jupiter551]

That website has some whacko ads and shit on it, like this one which appears to encourage 'survivalists' to purchase silver in case of wall street werewolves and financial vampires

Did you look past the wacko ads to read the story?

Yeah I did, and the sound clip was great, had some of the best things to say about the whole thing I've heard anywhere. And was presented by a company selling seeds to use in a post-apocalyptic world.

 

[Anonymous]

I'm not particularly interested in discussing video games, so I don't go into those threads. Simple.

I have absolutely NO IDEA what The Hunger Games is about, so I don't participate in those discussions. LOL.

 

[WildFingers]

Nordling wrote: I've never understood why people feel the need to whine about what other people decide to discuss. Why come into a thread he isn't interested in and order us to cease? Obviously, other people are interested...so why not let THEM "live and let live?"

Nordling my issue is that the media picks and chooses which race related crime to portray and insight debate or raise peoples emotions. The horrible Oklahoma story is really sick, gang raping an elderly lady to death and then beating a WW II vet and leaving him for dead for a few pieces of outdated electronics and a few dollars.

But the most asinine statement made was, "If I had a son he, would look like Trayvon." Why would Obama even make that statement? Other than to make it known that he was not happy with the handling of the incident. and to light a fire under the District Attorneys in Florida. The President that made certain it was a race related crime by his statement.

Yet not a word was said about an elderly couple brutally beaten and raped in middle America by the President.

 

[Nordling]

Nordling wrote: I've never understood why people feel the need to whine about what other people decide to discuss. Why come into a thread he isn't interested in and order us to cease? Obviously, other people are interested...so why not let THEM "live and let live?"

Nordling my issue is that the media picks and chooses which race related crime to portray and insight debate or raise peoples emotions. The horrible Oklahoma story is really sick, gang raping an elderly lady to death and then beating a WW II vet and leaving him for dead for a few pieces of outdated electronics and a few dollars.

But the most asinine statement made was, "If I had a son he, would look like Trayvon." Why would Obama even make that statement? Other than to make it known that he was not happy with the handling of the incident. and to light a fire under the District Attorneys in Florida. The President that made certain it was a race related crime by his statement.

Yet not a word was said about an elderly couple brutally beaten and raped in middle America by the President.

Do you expect the President to comment on EVERY national horror? There's too many--that's all he would be doing. The Trayvon story happened to be the one that made it to the top of the heap--and has become a symbol of injustice. The President saying "...my son" was simply a statement any of us could make when a child is killed. Only you are making it into a race thing while you complain about the press twisting things. I don't disagree that the press gets a lot of things wrong--especially during the early life of a story. Remember "balloon boy?"

But when you claim you can read the President's mind and just KNOW that it was all about race, you're doing the same as the press.

But what does this have to do with coming in a thread and whining about people discussing what they choose to discuss...whether they're good at it or not?

 

[Harvrath]

Nordling wrote: I've never understood why people feel the need to whine about what other people decide to discuss. Why come into a thread he isn't interested in and order us to cease? Obviously, other people are interested...so why not let THEM "live and let live?"

Nordling my issue is that the media picks and chooses which race related crime to portray and insight debate or raise peoples emotions. The horrible Oklahoma story is really sick, gang raping an elderly lady to death and then beating a WW II vet and leaving him for dead for a few pieces of outdated electronics and a few dollars.

But the most asinine statement made was, "If I had a son he, would look like Trayvon." Why would Obama even make that statement? Other than to make it known that he was not happy with the handling of the incident. and to light a fire under the District Attorneys in Florida. The President that made certain it was a race related crime by his statement.

Yet not a word was said about an elderly couple brutally beaten and raped in middle America by the President.

Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom is another example. http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/newsom.asp

 

[Nordling]

Another example of what?

 

[Jupiter551]

It's probably outside the scope of this thread to comment on every story Obama didn't comment on, and besides as horrible as those other crimes are they're unconnected. If there was injustice, it still has nothing to do with this, unless you're arguing that soandso didn't get justice so neither should these guys.

 

[Nordling]

It's probably outside the scope of this thread to comment on every story Obama didn't comment on, and besides as horrible as those other crimes are they're unconnected. If there was injustice, it still has nothing to do with this, unless you're arguing that soandso didn't get justice so neither should these guys.

Yeah, this thread isn't about the President or OTHER crimes. Horrid things happen to people every day, we talk about the ones that may catch our interest for many reasons.

 

[SweepTheLeg]

Homework assignment, lets find horrible atrocities and start individual threads for them so neither gets favoritism from the lame stream media and then get so depressed we kill ourselves.

 

[Anonymous]

Nordling wrote: I've never understood why people feel the need to whine about what other people decide to discuss. Why come into a thread he isn't interested in and order us to cease? Obviously, other people are interested...so why not let THEM "live and let live?"

Nordling my issue is that the media picks and chooses which race related crime to portray and insight debate or raise peoples emotions. The horrible Oklahoma story is really sick, gang raping an elderly lady to death and then beating a WW II vet and leaving him for dead for a few pieces of outdated electronics and a few dollars.

But the most asinine statement made was, "If I had a son he, would look like Trayvon." Why would Obama even make that statement? Other than to make it known that he was not happy with the handling of the incident. and to light a fire under the District Attorneys in Florida. The President that made certain it was a race related crime by his statement.

Yet not a word was said about an elderly couple brutally beaten and raped in middle America by the President.

Well your FIRST post was a complaint about us not discussing "bewbs n' tokens," which I told you is an inappropriate topic to be discussing in Random Discussion. But now that you're suddenly showing an interest in serious matters, okay...the Oklahoma story is a serious matter that deserves attention, so why not start a thread about it instead of threadjacking here? Because you're basically saying "FUCK all of this Trayvon Martin talk...let's talk about Oklahoma instead." Show some respect for Trayvon Martin and just start a new thread about the Oklahoma story.

I've only read two posts from you so far, and in both of them you were the one who brought up race. Careful...you'll upset the Zimmerman defenders if you dare mention the word "race."

Actually, before Obama even commented on the Trayvon tragedy, he was told that he needs to "watch what he says" due to the fact that all of the details of the story hadn't been released yet. So if he did feel that it was race-related, he showed great restraint in that first conference, because all he did was express his condolences for the Martin family. As for his comment "If I had a son, he would look like Trayvon." What's the big deal about that comment? I think he was trying to sympathize with the family, and he is a parent of himself of two daughters. I think that when a parent hears about a tragedy like this and is seeing pictures of the victim on t.v., they can't help but think "OMG, that could've been my kid" or "What if that had been my kid?"

Also, I think there's at least one "I hate Obama!" thread on here somewhere. You're welcome to go there and join the others in their "I blame Obama for blah, blah, blah" rant sessions.

 

[Anonymous]

Homework assignment, lets find horrible atrocities and start individual threads for them so neither gets favoritism from the lame stream media and then get so depressed we kill ourselves.

*coughs* The Rosewood Massacre..... *coughs*



But I don't wanna be like Harvrath and threadjack, so back to Trayvon...I'm curious how many soon-to-be parents will be naming their baby boys Trayvon after this. I think it's a cool name.

 

[Anonymous]

Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom is another example. http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/newsom.asp

Why are most of your posts in this thread just giving us links to other tragedies, and avoiding the discussion of Trayvon? You must have all these links saved to your computer or something, ready to whip 'em out for us in every post. LOL.

 

[Harvrath]

Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom is another example. http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/newsom.asp

Why are most of your posts in this thread just giving us links to other tragedies, and avoiding the discussion of Trayvon? You must have all these links saved to your computer or something, ready to whip 'em out for us in every post. LOL.

Most of my posts haven't been just links. But I have posted a link and quoted it. Like the Florida Law stating when the original aggressor is justified in taking life.

You mentioned the recent home invasion in Oklahoma where an elderly white couple was brutalized by African-American men and the media is silent on it. I posted a link about another case the media didn't mention, the carjacking, rape, torture, mutilation and murder of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom by four African-American men and an African-American woman. A case that got exactly zero national air time.

 

[Anonymous]

You mentioned the recent home invasion in Oklahoma where an elderly white couple was brutalized by African-American men and the media is silent on it.

Um, no, WildFingers is the one who brought that up...not me. I told him that he's welcome to start a thread about it instead of threadjacking like you're doing.

 

[Shaun__]

Most of my posts haven't been just links. But I have posted a link and quoted it. Like the Florida Law stating when the original aggressor is justified in taking life.

You mentioned the recent home invasion in Oklahoma where an elderly white couple was brutalized by African-American men and the media is silent on it. I posted a link about another case the media didn't mention, the carjacking, rape, torture, mutilation and murder of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom by four African-American men and an African-American woman. A case that got exactly zero national air time.

You know you have to read all the way to the bottom? Almost everything you claimed was said to not be true on the page you linked to. I never understand why people feel the need to take horrific stories and try to make them even worse to incite racial hatred.

The preceding paragraph is the version of the crime initially presented on the Internet and in press accounts. Subsequent reports have contradicted many of these details, chiefly that neither Newsom nor Christian was mutilated as described, and that the perpetrators murdered Christian within a day of the kidnapping [rather than holding her captive for several days], poured cleaning solution into her mouth post-mortem to eliminate DNA evidence [rather than as a form of torture], and killed her by binding her inside several plastic garbage bags and leaving her to suffocate [but did not shoot her or set her body on fire as they did with Newsom]

 

[JickyJuly]

I really hate the mentality that since "that victim" or "this race" didn't get media attention the Trayvon Martin issue shouldn't either. It's totally irrelevant and immature. Same goes for politicians and public figures trying to make gains over tragedy.

I think the Trayvon Martin case gets people talking because it's easy to relate to and (brutal and useless as it was) it's not insanely graphic. We could all be Trayvon Martin if anyone who wants to play cowboy is allowed to do so. That's where this case is different than the others being brought up.

 

[Bocefish]

And so it begins... crap like this is due to the manipulating media and race baiting politicians.

Suspect: I Beat Up White Man Because I Am Mad About Trayvon Martin Case
Updated: Friday, 20 Apr 2012, 4:31 PM CDT
Published : Friday, 20 Apr 2012, 3:40 PM CDT

Sun-Times Media Wire

Maywood, Ill. - Alton L. Hayes III, a west suburban man charged with a hate crime, told police he was so upset about the Trayvon Martin case in Florida that he beat up a white man early Tuesday.

Hayes and a 15-year-old Chicago boy walked up behind the 19-year-old man victim and pinned his arms to his side, police said. Hayes, 18, then picked up a large tree branch, pointed it at the man and said, “Empty your pockets, white boy.”

The two allegedly rifled through the victim’s pockets, then threw him to the ground and punched him “numerous times” in the head and back before running away, police said. Hayes and the boy are black; the victim is white.

After being arrested, Hayes told police he was upset by the Trayvon Martin case and beat the man up because he was white, Cook County State’s Attorney’s office spokeswoman Tandra Simonton said, citing court records.

Martin, 17, was fatally shot Feb. 26 in Sanford, Fla., by neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman, who was charged April 11 with second-degree murder. Zimmerman is Hispanic, while Martin was black.

Hayes, 18 of the 1200 block of North Woodbine Avenue in Oak Park, was charged with attempted robbery, aggravated battery and a hate crime, all felonies, Oak Park police Detective Cmdr. Ladon Reynolds said.

Hayes was ordered held on $80,000 bond and remained in the Cook County Jail on Friday. He will next appear in court May 11. The boy was referred to juvenile court.

http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpp/news/cr ... b-20120420

 

[SweepTheLeg]

Or could he be saying something like that in hopes that an excuse would gain sympathy or justify his pointless violence. Where did you find this story? The same manipulating media? Or, do you only like to be manipulated by the news when it helps prove your point?

New homework assignment, lets tell news stories that haven't been touched or manipulated by the vial media. ....Oh

 

[Bocefish]

Or could he be saying something like that in hopes that an excuse would gain sympathy or justify his pointless violence. Where did you find this story? The same manipulating media? Or, do you only like to be manipulated by the news when it helps prove your point?

New homework assignment, lets tell news stories that haven't been touched or manipulated by the vial media. ....Oh

You think he would gain sympathy by confessing to a racial hate crime? That's absolutely brilliant, more idiots should do that while trying to get a lighter sentence.

 

[SoTxBob]

And so it begins... crap like this is due to the manipulating media and race baiting politicians.

Suspect: I Beat Up White Man Because I Am Mad About Trayvon Martin Case
Updated: Friday, 20 Apr 2012, 4:31 PM CDT
Published : Friday, 20 Apr 2012, 3:40 PM CDT
Sun-Times Media Wire

Quite honestly, Im surprised its gone this long without this kind of idiotic retribution "because of" crap. When the media mouthpieces get the face time and twist it all for ratings some brain dead fool is bound to take it to this level...

 

[SweepTheLeg]

Considering the new black panthers went out and put a bounty on Zimmerman, and other things I am not discounting the possibility that the "This was for Trayvon" excuse was just that, an excuse to pass the back and not take any accountability for his actions in hopes that groups like the new black panthers or others in the black community would agree with him and send money to help with his defense or anything instead of being seen just as a criminal doing criminal acts for criminal means.

I'm not saying it's the smartest thing, but since when did people who did acts like this become the smartest people in the world? You want to buy into that he wouldn't have done any of this if nothing had happened to Trayvon? What is this man's police record? Does it go back further than Trayvon? Or did he use the "And this is for Rodney King!" a few years ago too?

 

[Harvrath]

Most of my posts haven't been just links. But I have posted a link and quoted it. Like the Florida Law stating when the original aggressor is justified in taking life.

You mentioned the recent home invasion in Oklahoma where an elderly white couple was brutalized by African-American men and the media is silent on it. I posted a link about another case the media didn't mention, the carjacking, rape, torture, mutilation and murder of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom by four African-American men and an African-American woman. A case that got exactly zero national air time.

You know you have to read all the way to the bottom? Almost everything you claimed was said to not be true on the page you linked to. I never understand why people feel the need to take horrific stories and try to make them even worse to incite racial hatred.

The preceding paragraph is the version of the crime initially presented on the Internet and in press accounts. Subsequent reports have contradicted many of these details, chiefly that neither Newsom nor Christian was mutilated as described, and that the perpetrators murdered Christian within a day of the kidnapping [rather than holding her captive for several days], poured cleaning solution into her mouth post-mortem to eliminate DNA evidence [rather than as a form of torture], and killed her by binding her inside several plastic garbage bags and leaving her to suffocate [but did not shoot her or set her body on fire as they did with Newsom]

There is no contradiction, I claimed carjacking, rape, torture, mutilation and murder. All of which is backed up by the Medical Examiner, the Prosecution, and Local Law Enforcement. I never claimed Newsom or Christian was mutilated in the fashion claimed in the Snopes article, or that she was held for days. I am from Knox Vegas and followed the case fairly closely.

Many people in the Knoxville area claimed early on that the The Christian-Newsom Murders was a Hate Crime on the basis that it was White on Black and was so brutal. Just like people claimed Zimmerman was racially motivated on the basis of a white sounding first and last name and a dead African-American teen.

I posted the Snopes link for three reasons. It dispels myths, prejudicial assumptions and outright lies people made about the Christian-Newsom murders, things people are doing to the Zimmerman case. It really gives one the best view of the event and the nature of the crimes despite containing factually inaccurate information. But in dispelling the myths it gives one the impression that it was a simple Car-Jacking where the criminals immediately kill the occupants to cover up the car-jacking which is far from what actually happened.

http://www.wate.com/story/10968229/...tims-torture-in-cobbins-trial?redirected=true

You have this white-couple in love brutally raped, tortured and murdered (and in one case, body was mutilated via fire) by African-American men. This story was a ratings bonanza. But you didn't hear a peep from the Mainstream Media.

Now, change the white couple to a black couple and the defendants to white guys. You would never hear the end of it.

 

[Nordling]

1. Horse Shit
2. This thread isn't about showing your imagined feelings that the press is "unfair" to your particular ethnicity.
3. The Snopes article has no connection to this thread and no place here. It "shows" nothing about the Trayvon case.

Here's an idea. Start your own blog that shows how unfair life is for YOUR ethnicity.

 

[Bocefish]

Considering the new black panthers went out and put a bounty on Zimmerman, and other things I am not discounting the possibility that the "This was for Trayvon" excuse was just that, an excuse to pass the back and not take any accountability for his actions in hopes that groups like the new black panthers or others in the black community would agree with him and send money to help with his defense or anything instead of being seen just as a criminal doing criminal acts for criminal means.

I'm not saying it's the smartest thing, but since when did people who did acts like this become the smartest people in the world? You want to buy into that he wouldn't have done any of this if nothing had happened to Trayvon? What is this man's police record? Does it go back further than Trayvon? Or did he use the "And this is for Rodney King!" a few years ago too?

Did you actually read the story? The thug wasn't even alive during the Rodney King case. What is your point arguing in this thug's defense?

 

[sorrowfool]

Yet not a word was said about an elderly couple brutally beaten and raped in middle America by the President.

Oh, grammar... you're so important.

 

[sorrowfool]

Most of my posts haven't been just links. But I have posted a link and quoted it. Like the Florida Law stating when the original aggressor is justified in taking life.

You mentioned the recent home invasion in Oklahoma where an elderly white couple was brutalized by African-American men and the media is silent on it. I posted a link about another case the media didn't mention, the carjacking, rape, torture, mutilation and murder of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom by four African-American men and an African-American woman. A case that got exactly zero national air time.

You know you have to read all the way to the bottom? Almost everything you claimed was said to not be true on the page you linked to. I never understand why people feel the need to take horrific stories and try to make them even worse to incite racial hatred.

The preceding paragraph is the version of the crime initially presented on the Internet and in press accounts. Subsequent reports have contradicted many of these details, chiefly that neither Newsom nor Christian was mutilated as described, and that the perpetrators murdered Christian within a day of the kidnapping [rather than holding her captive for several days], poured cleaning solution into her mouth post-mortem to eliminate DNA evidence [rather than as a form of torture], and killed her by binding her inside several plastic garbage bags and leaving her to suffocate [but did not shoot her or set her body on fire as they did with Newsom]

There is no contradiction, I claimed carjacking, rape, torture, mutilation and murder. All of which is backed up by the Medical Examiner, the Prosecution, and Local Law Enforcement. I never claimed Newsom or Christian was mutilated in the fashion claimed in the Snopes article, or that she was held for days. I am from Knox Vegas and followed the case fairly closely.

Many people in the Knoxville area claimed early on that the The Christian-Newsom Murders was a Hate Crime on the basis that it was White on Black and was so brutal. Just like people claimed Zimmerman was racially motivated on the basis of a white sounding first and last name and a dead African-American teen.

I posted the Snopes link for three reasons. It dispels myths, prejudicial assumptions and outright lies people made about the Christian-Newsom murders, things people are doing to the Zimmerman case. It really gives one the best view of the event and the nature of the crimes despite containing factually inaccurate information. But in dispelling the myths it gives one the impression that it was a simple Car-Jacking where the criminals immediately kill the occupants to cover up the car-jacking which is far from what actually happened.

http://www.wate.com/story/10968229/...tims-torture-in-cobbins-trial?redirected=true

You have this white-couple in love brutally raped, tortured and murdered (and in one case, body was mutilated via fire) by African-American men. This story was a ratings bonanza. But you didn't hear a peep from the Mainstream Media.

Now, change the white couple to a black couple and the defendants to white guys. You would never hear the end of it.

I'm not going to say that race had no part in it, but the main reason this became news is because Zimmerman was at home hours after killing an unarmed kid for no reason. That's it. If Trayvon had been white, it would have still been news. Race was just another log on the fire. It added the element of, "Well, is the only reason he was released BECAUSE the victim was black?"

Had Zimmerman been arrested and held and had people felt that the police were going to do a thorough investigation... none of us would be discussing this. Throw in SYG, which has been a just-under-the-surface-hot-button issue for years and the whole "he said, she said" aspect of it making the incident ripe for debate and speculation and you have the perfect storm of news stories.

The difference between the Trayvon-Zimmerman story and many of the others posted here is the fact that there is no debate. No one (of worth) is going to defend men who gang rape and kill an elderly woman. No one is going to defend the men who committed clear atrocities against Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom. Human decency alone prevents anyone from trying to justify their actions. You can't defend something like that. So there is no debate. Without the debate, the interest wanes quickly. The men were arrested, as they should have been and everyone was fine with them being punished. (Though the severity of punishment is always up for debate.)

I honestly feel bad for Zimmerman. I truly don't believe he left the house that evening looking to end up with some kid's blood on his hands. I feel he made some mistakes, did things he shouldn't have. Maybe Trayvon did, as well. Regardless, they both have had to pay for it. Trayvon with his life, and Zimmerman, with his life as well, in a way. I doubt he'll ever completely escape this.