Trayvon Martin

[sorrowfool]

Considering the new black panthers went out and put a bounty on Zimmerman, and other things I am not discounting the possibility that the "This was for Trayvon" excuse was just that, an excuse to pass the back and not take any accountability for his actions in hopes that groups like the new black panthers or others in the black community would agree with him and send money to help with his defense or anything instead of being seen just as a criminal doing criminal acts for criminal means.

I'm not saying it's the smartest thing, but since when did people who did acts like this become the smartest people in the world? You want to buy into that he wouldn't have done any of this if nothing had happened to Trayvon? What is this man's police record? Does it go back further than Trayvon? Or did he use the "And this is for Rodney King!" a few years ago too?

Did you actually read the story? The thug wasn't even alive during the Rodney King case. What is your point arguing in this thug's defense?

And he's obviously not arguing in his defense. He is saying that he (the criminal) is trying to use a current topical issue for his own benefit. That claiming he was "trying to get revenge for Trayvon" is just a bid to gain support for something he would have done regardless.

He didn't commit the crime because of Trayvon, he will, however, try and use Trayvon to help him out of it.

 

[Bocefish]

Considering the new black panthers went out and put a bounty on Zimmerman, and other things I am not discounting the possibility that the "This was for Trayvon" excuse was just that, an excuse to pass the back and not take any accountability for his actions in hopes that groups like the new black panthers or others in the black community would agree with him and send money to help with his defense or anything instead of being seen just as a criminal doing criminal acts for criminal means.

I'm not saying it's the smartest thing, but since when did people who did acts like this become the smartest people in the world? You want to buy into that he wouldn't have done any of this if nothing had happened to Trayvon? What is this man's police record? Does it go back further than Trayvon? Or did he use the "And this is for Rodney King!" a few years ago too?

Did you actually read the story? The thug wasn't even alive during the Rodney King case. What is your point arguing in this thug's defense?

And he's obviously not arguing in his defense. He is saying that he (the criminal) is trying to use a current topical issue for his own benefit. That claiming he was "trying to get revenge for Trayvon" is just a bid to gain support for something he would have done regardless.

He didn't commit the crime because of Trayvon, he will, however, try and use Trayvon to help him out of it.

Confessing to a third felony is absolute genius. I dunno why others don't do that in order to gain support from the racial hatred groups. He's 18 and has 3 felonies now. :roll:

 

[Jupiter551]

Considering the new black panthers went out and put a bounty on Zimmerman, and other things I am not discounting the possibility that the "This was for Trayvon" excuse was just that, an excuse to pass the back and not take any accountability for his actions in hopes that groups like the new black panthers or others in the black community would agree with him and send money to help with his defense or anything instead of being seen just as a criminal doing criminal acts for criminal means.

I'm not saying it's the smartest thing, but since when did people who did acts like this become the smartest people in the world? You want to buy into that he wouldn't have done any of this if nothing had happened to Trayvon? What is this man's police record? Does it go back further than Trayvon? Or did he use the "And this is for Rodney King!" a few years ago too?

Did you actually read the story? The thug wasn't even alive during the Rodney King case. What is your point arguing in this thug's defense?

And he's obviously not arguing in his defense. He is saying that he (the criminal) is trying to use a current topical issue for his own benefit. That claiming he was "trying to get revenge for Trayvon" is just a bid to gain support for something he would have done regardless.

He didn't commit the crime because of Trayvon, he will, however, try and use Trayvon to help him out of it.

Confessing to a third felony is absolute genius. I dunno why others don't do that in order to gain support from the racial hatred groups. He's 18 and has 3 felonies now. :roll:

It's only dumb after the fact, he probably thought making it about the Martin case would gain him sympathy, it backfired, but young dumb criminals do lots of things that backfire. Shit, half of them wouldn't even be in jail if they hadn't broken probation doing some absolutely meaningless heat-of-the-moment crime.

That he would try to use the Martin case and its public outcry to try to make out that he wasn't totally to blame for his actions doesn't surprise me at all.

I mean if nothing else, he robbed the dude lol, and from how it was described that was the initial focus and main focus of the situation.

 

[Paulie Walnuts]

I think the Trayvon Martin case gets people talking because it's easy to relate to and (brutal and useless as it was) it's not insanely graphic. We could all be Trayvon Martin if anyone who wants to play cowboy is allowed to do so. That's where this case is different than the others being brought up.

People get bored and start to suffer from conversational drift.

Just take a deep breath and get back to the simple; An armed adult profiled, perused, and killed an unarmed child. Said adult is claiming immunity under the SYG self defense law because the aforementioned child got scared and fought back.

The adult and the law are at fault. Will the court and the legislators make it right, and will the adult shooter realize what he did was wrong, man up and admit he made a horrible mistake instead of hiding behind a lawyer like a pussy?

What color the child was is irrelevant. How frightened the adult was after he injected himself into a unnecessarily inflated situation while armed is also, irrelevant.

The only issues that matter are, the shooters motivation, his premeditation, and his intent, and also if he shows any remorse, and when he showed it. Since it is a fact the child was not armed, was not in violation of any laws, was not the aggressor, and was aware of a stranger following him while trying to get away, the child and his character/color/history is IRRELEVANT.

There is no theory going on here, the kid is 100% a victim, and to continue trying to make him somehow at fault is like saying a rape victim's skirt was too short so she asked for it.

He had on a hoodie.
He ran.
He fought back.

Obviously he was somewhat at fault.
:roll:

 

[Bocefish]

Stating your opinion as fact does not make it so. Nice try though.

 

[Nordling]

Stating your opinion as fact does not make it so. Nice try though.

Agree.

Nor does it make it not fact. If it's fact, it simply is, and vice versa. No assertions either way will make it more or less so.

 

[Jupiter551]

Stating your opinion as fact does not make it so. Nice try though.

Hi, Pot? Meet Kettle.

 

[Bocefish]

Stating your opinion as fact does not make it so. Nice try though.

Hi, Pot? Meet Kettle.

Refresh my memory please, because I don't recall stating any of my opinions as facts.

 

[Nordling]

Stating your opinion as fact does not make it so. Nice try though.

Hi, Pot? Meet Kettle.

Refresh my memory please, because I don't recall stating any of my opinions as facts.

Something most people are guilty of: assuming our opinions are "the real deal"--facts.

 

[SweepTheLeg]

I'm not going to start every post with "In my opinion" because if I say it, then it's my opinion and it'd be redundant. However, If I were going to use facts I'd post credit to the source where I got said facts from.

And I wasn't defending the person who held up and beat up a white guy for "Trayvon", and I don't know how you read into it that way other than just wanting to have a reason to disagree with me. He wouldn't be the first person to use a national story that's in the public's eye to try and help him in whatever way, but he also wouldn't be the first criminal to do something stupid either.

So this is his third felony, and what were the reasons behind his previous two? Laci Peterson? Shark week? He committed these crimes so he should be the one held responsible for them, instead of saying that the crime he committed would never had happened had the news not covered this story.

 

[Anonymous]

http://www.wate.com/story/10968229/...tims-torture-in-cobbins-trial?redirected=true

You have this white-couple in love brutally raped, tortured and murdered (and in one case, body was mutilated via fire) by African-American men. This story was a ratings bonanza. But you didn't hear a peep from the Mainstream Media.

Now, change the white couple to a black couple and the defendants to white guys. You would never hear the end of it.

I have an idea. Harvrath, WildFingers, Bocefish, and anyone else in this thread with this "Fuck Trayvon...let's turn this into a thread all about past White victims!" attitude can exit this thread and start their own threads about those stories. :thumbleft:

 

[Bocefish]

So this is his third felony, and what were the reasons behind his previous two? Laci Peterson? Shark week? He committed these crimes so he should be the one held responsible for them, instead of saying that the crime he committed would never had happened had the news not covered this story.

Either you didn't read the story or your reading comprehension could use some work. :dontknow:

Hayes, 18 of the 1200 block of North Woodbine Avenue in Oak Park, was charged with attempted robbery, aggravated battery and a hate crime, all felonies

 

[Anonymous]

1. Horse Shit
2. This thread isn't about showing your imagined feelings that the press is "unfair" to your particular ethnicity.
3. The Snopes article has no connection to this thread and no place here. It "shows" nothing about the Trayvon case.

Here's an idea. Start your own blog that shows how unfair life is for YOUR ethnicity.

After reading the posts in here, it's pretty obvious which posters in this thread don't give a shit about Trayvon, but they don't have the balls to admit it.

 

[Bocefish]

Stating your opinion as fact does not make it so. Nice try though.

Hi, Pot? Meet Kettle.

Refresh my memory please, because I don't recall stating any of my opinions as facts.

Something most people are guilty of: assuming our opinions are "the real deal"--facts.

When somebody states the following:

Since it is a fact the child was not armed, was not in violation of any laws, was not the aggressor, and was aware of a stranger following him while trying to get away, the child and his character/color/history is IRRELEVANT.

There is no theory going on here, the kid is 100% a victim

It sounds to me like somebody stating facts instead of stating their opinion, no? The prosecution's own investigator said they have no proof that Martin was not the aggressor or that Zimmerman was. I like the description of 6'2" 17 year old football player as a child too, nice touch there.

 

[Bocefish]

1. Horse Shit
2. This thread isn't about showing your imagined feelings that the press is "unfair" to your particular ethnicity.
3. The Snopes article has no connection to this thread and no place here. It "shows" nothing about the Trayvon case.

Here's an idea. Start your own blog that shows how unfair life is for YOUR ethnicity.

After reading the posts in here, it's pretty obvious which posters in this thread don't give a shit about Trayvon, but they don't have the balls to admit it.

I never met Trayvon. Did you? I expressed my condolences early on in the thread. I'm not going to say it over and over to appease anyone's assumptions.

 

[SweepTheLeg]

My mistake, I read where you said he was 18 and has 3 felonies. I thought he got the other 2 at different times when I asked you what his previous crime record was. Either way, AGAIN- He committed these crimes and could very well had committed these crimes whether Trayvon was in the news or not.

 

[Nordling]

Stating your opinion as fact does not make it so. Nice try though.

Hi, Pot? Meet Kettle.

Refresh my memory please, because I don't recall stating any of my opinions as facts.

Something most people are guilty of: assuming our opinions are "the real deal"--facts.

When somebody states the following:

Since it is a fact the child was not armed, was not in violation of any laws, was not the aggressor, and was aware of a stranger following him while trying to get away, the child and his character/color/history is IRRELEVANT.

There is no theory going on here, the kid is 100% a victim

It sounds to me like somebody stating facts instead of stating their opinion, no? The prosecution's own investigator said they have no proof that Martin was not the aggressor or that Zimmerman was. I like the description of 6'2" 17 year old football player as a child too, nice touch there.

Of course opinions aren't "facts" But tell us... was Trayvon armed? No. Fact. Was he breaking a law by tranporting candy and a beverage home? No. Fact.

And.

Who's dead?

Clue: Trayvon.
Victim? Trayvon. Fact.

Unless you die of old age, you are a victim when you die. Cancer, pneumonia or some over-zealous thug who decides to stalk you and then wimps out when the going gets rough and kills you.

 

[Bocefish]

I all ready pointed out where the so-called fact was indeed NOT a fact.

 

[Nordling]

1. Horse Shit
2. This thread isn't about showing your imagined feelings that the press is "unfair" to your particular ethnicity.
3. The Snopes article has no connection to this thread and no place here. It "shows" nothing about the Trayvon case.

Here's an idea. Start your own blog that shows how unfair life is for YOUR ethnicity.

After reading the posts in here, it's pretty obvious which posters in this thread don't give a shit about Trayvon, but they don't have the balls to admit it.

I never met Trayvon. Did you? I expressed my condolences early on in the thread. I'm not going to say it over and over to appease anyone's assumptions.

Generally, in my experience, when one gives condolences, they don't then take a breath and spend the rest of their time committing to a defense of the "cause of death."

 

[Nordling]

I all ready pointed out where the so-called fact was indeed NOT a fact.

No, what you said in your answering post to Pauly was:

"Stating your opinion as fact does not make it so. Nice try though."

That's just a general opinion about what you're calling an opinion, it's not pointing out anything.

 

[SweepTheLeg]

One post saying sorry he's dead and over a hundred posts to defend Zimmerman as to why he did nothing wrong and it being Trayvon's own fault that he's dead isn't necessarily condolences.

"I'm sorry he's dead BUT...well he kinda had it coming" I'll use that at the next funeral I attend.

 

[Anonymous]

I like the description of 6'2" 17 year old football player as a child too, nice touch there.

He's a minor, and I always thought you become a man on your 18th birthday.

A young woman who wishes to marry an old fart can do so - without parental consent - when she turns 18.

A teenager who argues with their parents about what they CAN/CAN'T do would say "Well when I turn 18 I'm gonna....." (get a tattoo...marry my boyfriend...etc.)

You must be at least 18 to vote, to smoke, etc.

18 is the magic number.

 

[Anonymous]

I never met Trayvon. Did you? I expressed my condolences early on in the thread. I'm not going to say it over and over to appease anyone's assumptions.

So you have to have MET someone to be able to "give a shit" about them? Hmmm...interesting.


Expressing your condolences while you continue to try to smear a dead kid's name. How touching. :roll:

 

[Bocefish]

I never met Trayvon. Did you? I expressed my condolences early on in the thread. I'm not going to say it over and over to appease anyone's assumptions.

So you have to have MET someone to be able to "give a shit" about them? Hmmm...interesting.


Expressing your condolences while you continue to try to smear his name. How touching. :roll:

I've posted the truth about Trayvon's pictures and Twitter, if you think that's smearing his name you're wrong.

One post saying sorry he's dead and over a hundred posts to defend Zimmerman as to why he did nothing wrong and it being Trayvon's own fault that he's dead isn't necessarily condolences.

"I'm sorry he's dead BUT...well he kinda had it coming" I'll use that at the next funeral I attend.

I never said he had it coming. I'm arguing that Zimmerman may have actually shot in self defense, big difference.

 

[Nordling]

"...posted the truth."

No, you looked for items to make Trayvon look bad, and then you propped up Zimmerman with photoshopped pictures of Zimmerman's head.

 

[Anonymous]

I've posted the truth about Trayvon's pictures and Twitter.

Yeah, you're pretty gullible. Say, um, I have a great business proposition for you. All that I will need from you is a $200 cash upfront and your credit card number and expiration date (and that 3-digit number on the back), please.

I never said he had it coming. I'm arguing that Zimmerman may have actually shot in self defense, big difference.

The other day on the news, they were commenting on Zimmerman's comment about "not knowing that Trayvon was that young" and "not knowing whether or not Trayvon was carrying a gun." When they were talking about it on the news, at that moment the prosecutor SHOULD have been like "Oh! So you DID NOT know if Trayvon had a gun or not." But that prosecutor was meh.....

 

[Bocefish]

"...posted the truth."

No, you looked for items to make Trayvon look bad, and then you propped up Zimmerman with photoshopped pictures of Zimmerman's head.

Wrong again, as stated BEFORE, I looked into his past like everyone else that was curious and posted what turned up. If the image of Zimmerman's head wounds was photoshopped, blame ABC or whoever enhanced it. It looked legit to me.

 

[Anonymous]

"...posted the truth."

No, you looked for items to make Trayvon look bad, and then you propped up Zimmerman with photoshopped pictures of Zimmerman's head.

Yeah, those pictures of his ugly-ass head. *YAWN*

On another forum where this was discussed (the back of the child-killer's head), even one guy had commented "Oh, please. A woman bleeds more than that on the first day of her period." :lol:

 

[Nordling]

"...posted the truth."

No, you looked for items to make Trayvon look bad, and then you propped up Zimmerman with photoshopped pictures of Zimmerman's head.

Wrong again, as stated BEFORE, I looked into his past like everyone else that was curious and posted what turned up. If the image of Zimmerman's head wounds was photoshopped, blame ABC or whoever enhanced it. It looked legit to me.

Replace "enhanced" with "photoshopped" and you'll be closer to reality. As I mentioned pages back, you can't enhance a digital image and reveal things that aren't there. The new photos [finally] released bears that out; those long streaks people were calling lacerations make NO appearance in the newer photo...which only shows blood.

 

[Bocefish]

I've posted the truth about Trayvon's pictures and Twitter.

Yeah, you're pretty gullible. Say, um, I have a great business proposition for you. All that I will need from you is a $200 cash upfront and your credit card number and expiration date (and that 3-digit number on the back), please.

If the pics I posted of Tray were not him and the Twitter info was wrong, by all means show me the errors.

The other day on the news, they were commenting on Zimmerman's comment about "not knowing that Trayvon was that young" and "not knowing whether or not Trayvon was carrying a gun." When they were talking about it on the news, at that moment the prosecutor SHOULD have been like "Oh! So you DID NOT know if Trayvon had a gun or not." But that prosecutor was meh.....

I totally agree, the prosecution missed a major opportunity to grill Zimmerman right there on the spot.