Trayvon Martin

[Harvrath]

I agree it is absolutely your business, but personally I'm thankful I live in a country where you can't buy automatic weapons over the counter, and no one would ever even think to want more than one handgun per month.

In the United States you can't buy automatic weapons over the counter either.

 

[Jupiter551]

I agree it is absolutely your business, but personally I'm thankful I live in a country where you can't buy automatic weapons over the counter, and no one would ever even think to want more than one handgun per month.

In the United States you can't buy automatic weapons over the counter either.

I thought the kids who shot up columbine bought them over the internet actually

 

[Bocefish]

Semi-Auto

http://acolumbinesite.com/weapon.html

 

[Harvrath]

I agree it is absolutely your business, but personally I'm thankful I live in a country where you can't buy automatic weapons over the counter, and no one would ever even think to want more than one handgun per month.

In the United States you can't buy automatic weapons over the counter either.

I thought the kids who shot up columbine bought them over the internet actually

Automatic weapons are NFA items, paper-work with the ATF is required when ownership transfers. It is also illegal to modify a weapon to fire in a Machine Gun like fashion, the mere possession of the parts can be a felony.

Any weapon purchased from a dealer is gonna have a paper-trail or have a background check. Hence the Fast and Furious scandal where Federal Agents pressured Dealers to let guns walk.

 

[Mork]

seems this thread has gone sideways to anti/pro gun ownership now...

about the automatic weapons... Neighbor is a gunsmith. he has the required federal license [i believe he said class 3] to own and repair anything that fires bullets. its not difficult to get as long as you have a clean history and can pay the fee, altho now 'homeland' gets in on the background checks. while most of his work is for law enforcement agencies, he does get the collectors with small arsenals picked up and shipped home from various wars and countries. Last one he mentioned was a 70 yr old guy that wanted his old thompson magazine repaired that his dad had taken from a dead mobster back during prohibition.... There is no paper trail on things like that.

 

[Bocefish]

Sons of Guns show turned out to be far more interesting than I thought it would. They build or modify just about anything.

http://dsc.discovery.com/tv/sons-of-guns/

 

[Nordling]

Just as things seemed to have quieted down and we have a chance to breathe, these assholes come into the picture:

http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2012/04/heavily_armed_neo-nazis_patrol.php

 

[SweepTheLeg]

Want to lose some brain cells? scroll down and read the comments.

 

[Bocefish]

I took a look at the NSM website... talk about a bunch of ignoramus wannabes. It was almost funny. I don't think people have much to worry about from them either.

I also read the NBP leader was arrested in Sanford for carrying a weapon as a felon.

Sanford has coordinated with neighboring PDs and FDs so I hope they have enough officers and equipment to show a united front to deter anything that could erupt.

 

[Nordling]

Want to lose some brain cells? scroll down and read the comments.

Oh, I know. If one read that comments section and assumed it was a "slice of America," they'd be led to believe this is really 1930's Germany.

 

[Jupiter551]

Want to lose some brain cells? scroll down and read the comments.

Oh, I know. If one read that comments section and assumed it was a "slice of America," they'd be led to believe this is really 1930's Germany.

ad of the day on that sidebar lol

 

[Bocefish]

NBC Fires Producer Over Manipulated 911 Call

Sources at NBC who asked not to be identified confirmed a New York Times story saying that a Miami-based producer was fired Thursday, though the sources refused to identify the former employee.

It would be nice to know who was fired otherwise he or she could just go to another network like it was no big deal.

:twocents-02cents:

 

[Jupiter551]

I found this interesting, the attorney just discounts everything the witness says lol
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/04/07/us/florida-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=us_c2

 

[Bocefish]

That's their job. :lol:

 

[Harvrath]

I found this interesting, the attorney just discounts everything the witness says lol
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/04/07/us/florida-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=us_c2

"I know it was very dark, but I really would have to say that I thought it was the larger person on top," the witness said, referring to the heavier build of Zimmerman.

Still pushing the meme that Zimmerman was bigger than Trayvon, when in fact Zimmerman was 170 and 5'9" but a friend says 5'*'. Trayvon was estimated to be 160 pounds and 6 foot on the police report but his family says Trayvon was 6'2" and some claim 6'3" which would make Trayvon tower over Zimmerman by 4-7 inches.

http://www.examiner.com/charleston-...eorge-zimmerman-weighs-170-trayvon-martin-160
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Fr...life/-/1637132/9722180/-/e55273z/-/index.html

 

[Jupiter551]

I found this interesting, the attorney just discounts everything the witness says lol
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/04/07/us/florida-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=us_c2

"I know it was very dark, but I really would have to say that I thought it was the larger person on top," the witness said, referring to the heavier build of Zimmerman.

Still pushing the meme that Zimmerman was bigger than Trayvon, when in fact Zimmerman was 170 and 5'9" but a friend says 5'*'. Trayvon was estimated to be 160 pounds and 6 foot on the police report but his family says Trayvon was 6'2" and some claim 6'3" which would make Trayvon tower over Zimmerman by 4-7 inches.

http://www.examiner.com/charleston-...eorge-zimmerman-weighs-170-trayvon-martin-160
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Fr...life/-/1637132/9722180/-/e55273z/-/index.html

It's not pushing a meme, it's just letting the witness say what they thought in their own words. If Martin was much larger then she'll get cross-examined over it in court

 

[Harvrath]

Oh, interestingly, William A. Jacobson over at Legal Insurrection e-mailed the Sanford PD about Neo-Nazis patrolling Sanford and the Sandord PD was unable to verify the claims.

http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/04/sanford-fl-police-deny-any-indication-of-neo-nazis-patrolling/

 

[Bocefish]

Oh, interestingly, William A. Jacobson over at Legal Insurrection e-mailed the Sanford PD about Neo-Nazis patrolling Sanford and the Sandord PD was unable to verify the claims.

http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/04/sanford-fl-police-deny-any-indication-of-neo-nazis-patrolling/

I thought the whole thing sounded way fishy to me too, that's why I verified it myself via their site: http://www.nsm88.org/

http://www.nsm88.org/reports/racialunre ... h_2012.htm

 

[Jupiter551]

Well said! Because whenever there’s a race riot, my first question is always, “Where are the armed racists when you need them? They’ll put a stop to all this violence!”

:lol:

 

[Harvrath]

Oh, interestingly, William A. Jacobson over at Legal Insurrection e-mailed the Sanford PD about Neo-Nazis patrolling Sanford and the Sandord PD was unable to verify the claims.

http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/04/sanford-fl-police-deny-any-indication-of-neo-nazis-patrolling/

I thought the whole thing sounded way fishy to me too, that's why I verified it myself via their site: http://www.nsm88.org/

http://www.nsm88.org/reports/racialunre ... h_2012.htm

Well there is a difference between saying and doing.

I Hate Michigan Nazis.

 

[Bocefish]

They (NSM) just want the free publicity and to be seen as tough guys. If you look at their website 'riot' video, it's a bunch of idiots swinging fold-up chairs at each other then running away. :lol:

 

[Bocefish]

Update:

MIAMI (CBS4) – Florida State Attorney Angela Corey decided Monday to not use a Grand Jury in the Trayvon Martin shooting death.

The grand jury was expected to release their report on Tuesday as to whether Zimmerman should be charged in the Feb. 26th shooting. The case is now in the hands of special prosecutor Angela Corey.

Ms. Corey said from the beginning that she may not need a grand jury.

According to the state attorney’s office, the decision “should not be considered a factor in the final determination of the case.”

Former U.S. Attorney Kendall Coffey told CBS4′s Gio Benitez that by not using a grand jury, prosecutors will probably not charge Zimmerman with a capital offense.

Additionally, lawyer Janet Johnson, who works in Corey’s jurisdiction, said grand jury are used on “all First Degree Murder cases.”

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2012/04/09/gr ... rtin-case/

That doesn't mean manslaughter charges won't be applied in this case. Depending on what the investigation uncovers... Manslaughter, second-degree could apply but the government must prove that his actions created an unreasonable risk, which could have been avoided by prudent thinking, which caused the death of the victim.

It's pretty damn hard to prove somebody was not in fear for their life when their head is being slammed against a concrete surface though, if that indeed was the case.

 

[sorrowfool]

There's no question that Zimmerman was at least partially responsible for what happened here. Even in the scenario where Trayvon was beating him to death and he killed him to protect himself, Zimmerman shares blame. As far as most people seem to be concerned, Stand Your Ground is off the table for him. He lost the right to claim that when he pursued Trayvon. That situation could have been completely avoided, but Zimmerman made it happen. Regardless of what you believe happened, that much is known, so he bears at least a part of the blame. It would be wrong for him to get away with this scott-free, as many others who have claimed Stand Your Ground have. It would reinforce scary precedent.

 

[Harvrath]

There's no question that Zimmerman was at least partially responsible for what happened here. Even in the scenario where Trayvon was beating him to death and he killed him to protect himself, Zimmerman shares blame. As far as most people seem to be concerned, Stand Your Ground is off the table for him. He lost the right to claim that when he pursued Trayvon. That situation could have been completely avoided, but Zimmerman made it happen. Regardless of what you believe happened, that much is known, so he bears at least a part of the blame. It would be wrong for him to get away with this scott-free, as many others who have claimed Stand Your Ground have. It would reinforce scary precedent.

We honestly do not know. Zimmerman could have been walking away when Trayvon assaulted him, in which case Trayvon is completely at fault.

 

[Bocefish]

There's certainly no shortage of ignorant idiots to go around...

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2 ... -of-Action

 

[sorrowfool]

There's no question that Zimmerman was at least partially responsible for what happened here. Even in the scenario where Trayvon was beating him to death and he killed him to protect himself, Zimmerman shares blame. As far as most people seem to be concerned, Stand Your Ground is off the table for him. He lost the right to claim that when he pursued Trayvon. That situation could have been completely avoided, but Zimmerman made it happen. Regardless of what you believe happened, that much is known, so he bears at least a part of the blame. It would be wrong for him to get away with this scott-free, as many others who have claimed Stand Your Ground have. It would reinforce scary precedent.

We honestly do not know. Zimmerman could have been walking away when Trayvon assaulted him, in which case Trayvon is completely at fault.

So you're giving the benefit of the doubt to Zimmerman who followed a teenager against advice, armed, with an obvious preconceived idea of guilt, and a history of violence, against Trayvon with a clean record, who just left the house to buy some candy, and is too dead to defend himself? Ask yourself why that is. How does that make sense? What makes Zimmerman's account so credible?

 

[Harvrath]

There's no question that Zimmerman was at least partially responsible for what happened here. Even in the scenario where Trayvon was beating him to death and he killed him to protect himself, Zimmerman shares blame. As far as most people seem to be concerned, Stand Your Ground is off the table for him. He lost the right to claim that when he pursued Trayvon. That situation could have been completely avoided, but Zimmerman made it happen. Regardless of what you believe happened, that much is known, so he bears at least a part of the blame. It would be wrong for him to get away with this scott-free, as many others who have claimed Stand Your Ground have. It would reinforce scary precedent.

We honestly do not know. Zimmerman could have been walking away when Trayvon assaulted him, in which case Trayvon is completely at fault.

So you're giving the benefit of the doubt to Zimmerman who followed a teenager against advice, armed, with an obvious preconceived idea of guilt, and a history of violence, against Trayvon with a clean record, who just left the house to buy some candy, and is too dead to defend himself? Ask yourself why that is. How does that make sense? What makes Zimmerman's account so credible?

Because I have a police report backing up Zimmerman's account. You got neighbors stating that Zimmerman sustained injuries. You got the Funeral Director stating that Trayvon had no injuries other than the single gun-shot wound which is consistent with Zimmerman's account, it would also be consistent with Zimmerman simply walking upto Trayvon and firing a shot, but would be inconsistent with Zimmerman's injuries and eye-witness accounts, one of which says he saw Zimmerman on the ground and Trayvon on top.

Am I supposed to suspend reason and assume that the PD, the State Attorney, the eye-witnesses and neighbors who corroborate Zimmerman are all lying and/or corrupt?

 

[LadyLuna]

If Zimmerman had been walking away when Trayvon assualted him, then where are the injuries on his front? So much is given to the injuries on the back of his head, which means Zimmerman was FACING Trayvon when he was attacked by Trayvon. Which to me, means that Zimmerman approached Trayvon, not the other way around.

Trayvon was minding his own business. Zimmerman followed him. Zimmerman approached him. Zimmerman started this whole damn thing, and got Trayvon killed because Zimmerman was paranoid.

The blame rests firmly on Zimmerman's shoulders. Trayvon tried to stand his ground because he was in a place he had every right to be, and got killed for it.

 

[Nordling]

There's no question that Zimmerman was at least partially responsible for what happened here. Even in the scenario where Trayvon was beating him to death and he killed him to protect himself, Zimmerman shares blame. As far as most people seem to be concerned, Stand Your Ground is off the table for him. He lost the right to claim that when he pursued Trayvon. That situation could have been completely avoided, but Zimmerman made it happen. Regardless of what you believe happened, that much is known, so he bears at least a part of the blame. It would be wrong for him to get away with this scott-free, as many others who have claimed Stand Your Ground have. It would reinforce scary precedent.

We honestly do not know. Zimmerman could have been walking away when Trayvon assaulted him, in which case Trayvon is completely at fault.

So you're giving the benefit of the doubt to Zimmerman who followed a teenager against advice, armed, with an obvious preconceived idea of guilt, and a history of violence, against Trayvon with a clean record, who just left the house to buy some candy, and is too dead to defend himself? Ask yourself why that is. How does that make sense? What makes Zimmerman's account so credible?

Because I have a police report backing up Zimmerman's account. You got neighbors stating that Zimmerman sustained injuries. You got the Funeral Director stating that Trayvon had no injuries other than the single gun-shot wound which is consistent with Zimmerman's account, it would also be consistent with Zimmerman simply walking upto Trayvon and firing a shot, but would be inconsistent with Zimmerman's injuries and eye-witness accounts, one of which says he saw Zimmerman on the ground and Trayvon on top.

Am I supposed to suspend reason and assume that the PD, the State Attorney, the eye-witnesses and neighbors who corroborate Zimmerman are all lying and/or corrupt?

Your saying that if you punch someone in the nose with your bare fist hard enough to "break his nose" and that the funeral director reported that he had NO marks on his hands somehow is consistent with SOMETHING?

 

[SweepTheLeg]

"You got the Funeral Director stating that Trayvon had no injuries other than the single gun-shot wound.." Yeah nothing major there, just the gun-shot wound THAT KILLED HIM LOL